Retired?
Canada gets 25 legacy hornets from RAAF recently

These AESA radars only for 38 hornets.

Building a new assembly line is always expensive.
What's more when the order are limited since the setup cost can only be redistributed to limited number of unit.

TD only order a few unit but the Thai are buying lots more (Not really sure how much the Thai are buying though).  But for the Aussie they need to order 1000 unit of hawkei to get the manufacturing price in AUS to be $500,000 a unit.

But of course the JLTV is the king of the hills, it's huge ordered mean you pay the same price per unit as first win & hawkei. But it's so so so much more value for Money.

Chaiseri Metal & Rubber Co., Ltd. (Chaiseri metal & rubber Co. Ltd.) Thailand was the winner of the purchase 4-wheel drive multi-purpose armored vehicles (type 4x4), amounting to 6 units by the selection method, amount 99, 900,000 baht ($3,080,387) per unit price 16,650,000 baht ($513,414)

­­­WASHINGTON, August 27, 2019 - The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to Lithuania of five hundred Joint Light Tactical Vehicles with support for an estimated cost of $170.8 million.  The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale on August 27, 2019.

It is also the exact strategies the Chinese are doing. Their maritime dispute are their version of asymmetric warfare since they know they can't match the might, experience & technology advantage of western powers. So they set a stage of new kind of warfare, relying on numbers and operate in ambiguity, it's not a full war but not peace time either.

But employing the same strategies to us just means
*You have access to allies, but you rejected working with them to do asymmetrical warfare.

Ps. Just because it look wee bit different doesn't mean they build everything from scratch. Let just use a car analogy.

a VW golf & Audi Q2 & Audi A3 are 90% the same car. The sigma hull are more square off to deflect the radar better at the cost of efficiency due to drag  while the rounded hull of a OPV is there to help with efficiency at the cost  bigger radar signature. A mechanic that can repair a VW, can also repair the Audi, since despite huge differences in it exterior design & interior fit & finishes. Behind the scene, it's the same car. Using the same bolt, pipe & part, running the same software.

Things like the type 26 is the Buggati, still parts of VW, but it is design to reach the absolute maximum abilities that current technology can offer. It is expansive because most of it software, parts & components need to be invented and be a custom made because no manufacturing facility are there yet to make it. Starting a new production assembly are expensive. And the less parts you make the more each single parts cost. Add all up you end up with an expensive thing which make it more expensive because only a limited number of people can afford it. The custom made parts mostly being new hasn't been tested fully in term of reliability and thus why operating it is expensive because it keep breaking down.

But as long as they keep the manufacturing going, the less expensive the per parts is, the more it break the more they can find fixes. Things like the sigma & type 31 are the Lamborghini. It's made from mostly previous Buggati platforms which had reduce in price and increase in reliability, it's just a wee bit less fast then a Buggati but it's a whole lots cheaper & more reliable. As it's goes cheaper & cheaper the platform become the Porsche.

That's the problem with lack of economic of scale but still want to konon konon create a local industrial military complex If buy directly from turkey, the 8x8 would likely cost half because their assembly line is mostly had been paid for by the large order of the Turkish military.

If it's was me, it would probably more cost effective to just ask for an offset like our deals with Airbus or indo with KAI.

But then again, it's  not just us. Sinki, Aussie & Indo are also playing these really weird game of let's paid a whole lot more just for the sake of it to be CKD locally. So let's bersangka baik & assume probably there's something they trying to achieve kot. 😂

eh gomen bayar ke 3 billion tu
aku tak rasa depa nak bayar hari tu
skrg on Bousted tuk deliver atau kene saman

If government die die want the balance 4, then gomen have to squezzed tax payers for another RM$16 billion (RM$4 billion a vessel)

This....

Later the cabinet rule out option 1.
There are only option 2 and 3 still available.

Option 3 is another copy of NGPV solution....you can guess lah ..

How many vessel do you think they can built with the balance RM$3.12 billion. They already received RM$6 billion in advance

Well if They can complete 4 vessels by getting the balance RM$3.12 billion, i tabik and say thank you. At least one vessel only cost RM$9.12 divide 4 vessel = RM2.28 billion per vessel.

But can the shipyard complete 4 boats with the balance RM$3.12 billion??

Simple maths

Thats why earlier i said  TLDM will only get 2 boats max with gomen pay the balance RM$3.12 billion.

Curse on us as tax payer as it is already happened n get the 2 boats ready n give to the navy as they need it very very urgently.

After all this fiaso , do you still want to use the same  ship yard and they come out again with another blue print gung ho?????? And you want pisang berbuah 2X ???  For God sake get it from the supplier directly .

What so asymmetrical about sweeden?
Not like they skip on the quality of equipment or anything. If anything they like sinki have both the quality & quantities. If Russia or Malaysia were to come they would come by land right?. So them keeping a rather large army isn't really asymmetrical.

Their navy are on the smallish size probably because of geography and also because Russian aren't coming for them by sea? But I do love their Visby, it's the equivalent of f35 in term of stealth build with radar absorbing material. Gowind stealth is mostly shape base stealth like the J20.

The only asymmetrical about them is probably their AF. So i assume that's what you mean? 

IMHO, while their AF do practice asymmetrical warfare but it's seem out of nessacity due to the  national service they perform of keeping Saab airplane division alive rather than because they wanted to.

At the end of the day, Russia has mighty dual engine air dominance dog fighting platforms. A Gripen despite it larger than life image is mostly just a delta wing LCA.  The innovation here is they  took advantage of Russia lack of technology dominance and their advantage in tech dominance & concentrate on BVR & electronic warfare. They are not playing into Sukhoi advantage in maneuverability.

Their inventory of single type of not so powerful jet doesn't meant it's strategy are good enough thus no rreal need for MRCA, more to do with they can't order a real MRCA but at the same time ordered enough Gripen to keep Saab afloat. that's MRCA roles likely falls on others NATO members to provide or until the tempest are finished.

copying sweeden homework  is precisely why RMAF wants a BVR capable LCA. They didn't want the LCA because they willing to compromised on quality and prioritize quantities due to the lack of money, but because BVR capable LCA are more than enough for peacetime encounter  of Chinese Sukhoi as well as to support MRCA operation.

As seen with RCAF upgrade of hornet, the actual cost on an aesa radar in itself isn't that expensive at around  $+-2 mil a piece. If not mistaken FA50 radar cost $0.5 mil or something. So even if the software of FA50 is upgraded and offer BVR, it's maybe not the same kind of BVR that hornet can provide. But if the software upgraded FA50 BVR abilities exceed the Chinese Sukhoi it's a worthwhile purchase but if it can only match or worse than Chinese Sukhoi then there's really no point in getting 36 of those. We would only need at least 12?

copying sweeden homework  is precisely why RMAF wants a BVR capable LCA. They didn't want the LCA because they willing to compromised on quality and prioritize quantities due to the lack of money, but because BVR capable LCA are more than enough for peacetime encounter  of Chinese Sukhoi as well as to support MRCA operation.

As seen with RCAF upgrade of hornet, the actual cost on an aesa radar in itself isn't that expensive at around  $+-2 mil a piece. If not mistaken FA50 radar cost $0.5 mil or something. So even if the software of FA50 is upgraded and offer BVR, it's maybe not the same kind of BVR that hornet can provide. But if the software upgraded FA50 BVR abilities exceed the Chinese Sukhoi it's a worthwhile purchase but if it can only match or worse than Chinese Sukhoi then there's really no point in getting 36 of those. We would only need at least 12?

Simple question. Gomen pay RM3.12 billion which is the balance of RM9.12 billion, how many boats  (with 16 mica vls and 8 konesburg ship attack missile on each boat) you can give to TLDM.

Remember only pay RM3.12 billuon. No more extra $$$

Can be like this

2022  = 2 vessels sea trial ?
2023  = 2 vessels sea trial ?
2024  = 2 vessels sea trial ?

Boleh?

For the original price RM$9.12. Can The yard complete with balance payment of RM3.12 billion.

If yard need extra money just tell the Gomen, need xxx billion to complete.

Al least everyone understand dan faham.

When the yard keep quiet, it is assumed you have no problem and everything is smooth BUT your 1st vessel already delayed 4 years. Not 4 nonth delayed.

Yes or No only where received balance rm3.12 billion can do all 6 or how many. Do not pusing la

They already took 3/4s of the money and can't complete a single one with the remaining 1/4. What else is new with BNS? Once again our local cronies are the ones fucking up the country's military capabilities. This should be considered treason and a hanging offense by now.

Where is the RM$6 billion. Can get at least 2 Gowinds, right?

Do you buy a German RM$400,000 luxury car pay down payment , but later the car maker tell you your car cannot be produced because no engine, no electronics. Your down payment and the finance bank released all monies to german car maker cannot be refunded. Would you accept this deal ?????

This is the manufacturer problem and they have to solve it no matter how.

They can take the contract, we assume they can deliver irregardless how difficult it is.

Do not throw your manufacturing problem to your customers. Never.

The current Lekiu Class strongest 2 corvettes in TLDM 2200 ton missile corvettes were built in Yarraw shipyard Scotland in 1995/1996. Both vessels already serve more then 25 years. Undergone SLEP in 2014/2015. Built more then 25 years ago and still serving in TLDM.

This 2 vessels are the only largest most capable missile corvettes in TLDM. Armed with Sea Wolf 16 vls (Point defence) and 8 exocet missles ,

Do you think 2 missile capable corvettes is enough ? Thats why the navy want the Gowind so urgently.

The last thing the navy wants to hear is manufacturing problem, cos thats not the navy problem . The navy is the user of the vessel. Shipyard job is to manufactured the vessel to agreed specs on schedule.

Shipyard job is to manufactured the vessel to agreed specs on schedule