What so asymmetrical about sweeden?
Not like they skip on the quality of equipment or anything. If anything they like sinki have both the quality & quantities. If Russia or Malaysia were to come they would come by land right?. So them keeping a rather large army isn't really asymmetrical.

Their navy are on the smallish size probably because of geography and also because Russian aren't coming for them by sea? But I do love their Visby, it's the equivalent of f35 in term of stealth build with radar absorbing material. Gowind stealth is mostly shape base stealth like the J20.

The only asymmetrical about them is probably their AF. So i assume that's what you mean?

IMHO, while their AF do practice asymmetrical warfare but it's seem out of nessacity due to the national service they perform of keeping Saab airplane division alive rather than because they wanted to.

At the end of the day, Russia has mighty dual engine air dominance dog fighting platforms. A Gripen despite it larger than life image is mostly just a delta wing LCA. The innovation here is they took advantage of Russia lack of technology dominance and their advantage in tech dominance & concentrate on BVR & electronic warfare. They are not playing into Sukhoi advantage in maneuverability.

Their inventory of single type of not so powerful jet doesn't meant it's strategy are good enough thus no rreal need for MRCA, more to do with they can't order a real MRCA but at the same time ordered enough Gripen to keep Saab afloat. that's MRCA roles likely falls on others NATO members to provide or until the tempest are finished.

copying sweeden homework is precisely why RMAF wants a BVR capable LCA. They didn't want the LCA because they willing to compromised on quality and prioritize quantities due to the lack of money, but because BVR capable LCA are more than enough for peacetime encounter of Chinese Sukhoi as well as to support MRCA operation.

As seen with RCAF upgrade of hornet, the actual cost on an aesa radar in itself isn't that expensive at around $+-2 mil a piece. If not mistaken FA50 radar cost $0.5 mil or something. So even if the software of FA50 is upgraded and offer BVR, it's maybe not the same kind of BVR that hornet can provide. But if the software upgraded FA50 BVR abilities exceed the Chinese Sukhoi it's a worthwhile purchase but if it can only match or worse than Chinese Sukhoi then there's really no point in getting 36 of those. We would only need at least 12?

If deftech factory is anything like FNSS then they can probably build a Adnan replacement with gempita weaponry for cheap. But TD seem only interested in it by 2030s. They can probably give refurbishment job for the Adnan for 10 years and as soon as the last Adnan roles out they start building Adnan replacement?

This post has been edited by darth5zaft: Sep 25 2021, 11:43 PM

BNS math smell foul.

Get 2 mostly completed ship for RM 3 billions but somehow they can complete all 6 ( 3 in the middle stage, 1 never started) for RM6 billions.

If anything there a foul smell that at least RM1 to RM2 billion hidden there to pay for other things not related to the Gowind at all. Probably related to debt incurred for the bailout of Amin shah.

But the gov also had given out grant of a billion over ringgit of public money to upgrade BNS yards before building the Gowind. The yard themselves are build by public money in the 80s. So selling off the lumut shipyards to an actual shipyards companies that know how to fully realized the commercial potential of the lumut yard isn't really such a bad idea.

BNS suck at being a shipyards. Just sell off lumut yard and use the money to pay off your debt and get out of shipbuilding bussiness. They can still play refurbishment at Langkawi & Sepanggar since that's the only thing they good at.

This post has been edited by darth5zaft: Sep 26 2021, 12:36 AM

Well obviously the highly professional general with 20 years experience the One who didn't want a simple brown water Navy equipment that the Gowind are design for. Probably because they don't want to be a brown water navy anymore kot?

The Gowind as its originally is, is probably what BNS & gov wanted. All The change afterwards be it's enlargements & Exocet change to NSM is what RMN general wanted. The program also stop because RMN refuse to sign off propulsion system installation probably because they wanted a change in ESSM as well.

But the general desires isn't really unreasonable. The increase in size, NSM doesn't really changed the price too much compared to what Egyptian are paying in USD nor is the ESSM installation by UAE which about the same price as other gowind in USD.

Your RM goes GG is the primary reason for the cost increase. It's the government fault for relying too much on oil revenue. But they do that because their rakyat aren't bright in understanding basic economy and thus super kedekut in paying taxes & super addicted to subsidies

The desire to satisfied these not too bright citizen is the reason why mat sabun unable to makes any decisions resulting in current 4 years delay.

Any idea why after Dagemudin ordered it, the TD try hard to get out of receiving it?

Personally i get a different lesson out of these whole fiascos.

For me, the whole fiascos can be avoided if the gov just go buy a off the shelf ship with better range, tacticos, ESSM & NSM capable in the 1st place.

Obviously they wanted the marthadinata/arm reformardor in the 1st place.At the end the gov ordered the wrong ship, with the wrong equipment for 300% (now 400%) more.

Marthadinata & reformardor are build around that time. It's cost about rm700 mil then, a wee bit higher then the NGPC original budget of RM500 mil.

Not my idea. Am not degemudin. Dagemudin the one that says, 8 2lms, 2MRSS & 6 3GPV to be purchased in the next 10 years. (3 because the LCS was originally 2GPC)

This post has been edited by darth5zaft: Sep 27 2021, 02:46 PM

Again, I'm not you. I don't have an ' ideal ' .

I don't think of myself as more brilliant than a carrier general with 20 years of experience, training, access to foreign piers, goes to international seminar, plenty of manufacturer briefing, friends in wisma Putra & other foreign governments and so on. This i don't even try with my limited access to information try to formulate an alternative defense plans for a country.

If they want a full spectrum MPA, a maritime surveillance MALE, a missiles Corvette then by all means, let the man with the experience get what he wants. Am only here to try to understand why they need it.



As said earlier 8 2LMS, 2MRSS, 6 3GPV in the next 10 years are manhen own words.
https://www.malaysiandefence.com/par-the-course/

Is the 8 2LMS, 2MRSS, 6 3GPV in the next 10 years is parts of the OG 1525? It's is currently looking like 1526. So is it wrong with saying the OG 1525 plan is dead?

The 2LMS, 2GPV all had increase in size, so does the size of all of our neighbors vessels. Is it wrong to speculate that 3GPV would also increase in size?

RMN the one who send out RFI for a Corvette size ship and not FAC size as you wanted. I'm not RMN, you asking me why then go full mental on me also no use, because again I'm not RMN. Almost everyone here also want to find out why they did it. People here can only speculate,

But you act like these enthusiast bebenang is the official ATM board meeting. You win argument here also no use. Not like they going to order ship according to your desire.

I assume If the ship cannot do the job they wanted then there navy need to either

1)change the way they does things(just like how F35 can't fly supersonic for long and their military has to change the way they operated to achieve their mission by not flying supersonic for long)

2) change the ship. If the ship is too small due to smallish fuel tank then they need to change the ship to make it bigger.

If the navy are now ok with setis now. it's likely mean they had found a way to make setis works. If the navy can't find a way to make MICA works then they need to change the missiles.

If the original 2500 tons gowind by design is good enough for brown water navy use, then the likely answer is our navy don't wanna be a brown water navy only.

Alexz meanwhile think they should just push the OG gowind down navy throats regardless they can work with it or not. Well that exactly what BNS & gov did for a long time until a new manhen come and side with the navy.

These all episodes can all be avoided if none related individuals stop messing around with military procurement. Just let them buy whatever they wanted.

For fuck sake.
All i Said is the OG 1525 is dead because of H20 recent statement lah wei. U Think I shiok sendiri Petik number from the sky is it? U go look when H20 said it, and when my comment is. Does my comment predate H20 statement or not?

H20 the one who put the number of 8LMS, 2MrSS,.6 3GPC. All i did is speculate the 3gpc is destroyer size.already just a while now told you the reason why I think that.

The freaking navy themselves order a RFI for a Corvette, and I speculate that they might have a missiles on it due to the speculative price tag and already told you what i think they might want it for.


You called me speculating an idea for what? An idea is like your 21 FAC. You go around creating a doctrines, spefication budget, use case etc etc out of thin air. You want me to do what you did for what? Already told you I don't consider myself an armchair critics are more knowledgeable then a carrier general.

Then all manhen side with the navy then bit by bit
And thus why the specifications keep on ever changing.

Isn't it better to just go and buy a ship the navy wanted in the first place?

Already said the number petik from H20. And here you are asking about it again.

4 FAC are delivered, 6 frigates are terbengkalai, 8 Corvette they send out the RFI. The new info from H20 is the 6 3ngpc & 2mrss. The only number i speculate is the sub. But with most military doubling it submarine fleet. It's a safe assumption to make. 4 FAC, 8 Corvette,6 frigates, 6 destroyers & 4 subs is also what sinki has planned.


FFBNW like the reformardor is a better approach then fitted with things they don't want.

For God sake. U really have problem understanding that's terms differ from country to country, continent to continent. Seem u understand it well but just decided not too just to win an internet argument.

Winning internet argument mean shit. The general manhen aren't reading these. If you want your alexz lms or whatever this is not the place to lobby it.

One man destroyer is another man frigate, ane man frigate is another man Corvette, ane man lrt is another man tram, one man MRT is another man commuter. Obviously the frigates here refer to what ASEAN think are frigates. a freaking 5000tons++ ship.


If you want to play with nuance then no JMMC is not able to carry F35B. It can only at best play remote airfield. With is size & displacement it can't be a LPD as well as carry F35b.

See how annoying it is when people pretend not to understand?


Also let me help you here.

[Quote]
2. Dalam tempoh Rancangan Malaysia ke-12 (2021-2025), TLDM merancang untuk melaksanakan perolehan seperti berikut:

a. Perolehan sebanyak 8 buah kapal LMS kumpulan kedua mulai tahun 2022;
b. Perolehan sebanyak 2 buah Multi Role Support Ship (MRSS) yang dijangka bermula pada tahun 2024, bagi
memenuhi keperluan operasi ATM melalui kemampuan Strategic Sealift antara Semenanjung Malaysia dengan
Sabah dan Sarawak; dan
c. Perolehan 3 buah Helikopter Operasi Maritim (HOM) dan 13 buah Fast Interceptor Craft (FIC). HOM dijangka akan memasuki inventori TLDM pada Mac dan Mei 2022, manakala FIC pula akan diterima secara berfasa mulai Mac 2023 hingga Mac 2024.

3. Dalam tempoh Rancangan Malaysia Ke-13 (2026 – 2030), TLDM merancang perolehan 6 buah Kapal Peronda Generasi Baharu (NGPV) [ /quote]
https://www.malaysiandefence.com/par-the-course/

H20 said 6. How do you get 6+6?

Already told you the probability of doubling the sub number is high. How the heck does that got to do with H20 not mentioning subs. It's a freaking guess. I already told you that. Why the fuck you try to find the sub number in H2O statement?

This post has been edited by darth5zaft: Sep 28 2021, 05:43 PM

If not mistaken the navy had all the requirements Witten down. And thus the sigma was in the leads back then. But the gov select the gowind but The Gowind doesn't really fit the requirements. and the gov & BNS does change some but not all the changes to fit the navy requirements.

To be fair, there's are country that the shipyards/companies are in charge of spefication, and their military just have to find a way to make it work somehow. Swedish AF is a good example of them changing the way the fight because Gripen is the one being pushed down their throat.

So technically a final spefication & contract do get sign. It just being sign without much care towards the final user needs. The final user did try their best to make it works, but for some where's they couldn't, changes need to be made particularly as new manhen comes and agreed to some more changes in favor of navy, another manhen comes and agreed to do further changes.

Some country do these things to support the local industry, to acquire self sufficiency capabilities to perform independence foreign policies. But in our case, it's a immitation of a solution to a problem we didn't have. We only need that before when we are still under mahathirism dictatorship.

Just like you add 4 700 tons cLMS to 8 >1100 tons 2LMS = 12 LMS then.

Never mind it's different in size & probably fixture & fittings. Even after your favorite Marhalim blog said the 2nd batch is a missiles Corvette you keep on insisting it's a gunboat FAC.

Hey the LCS are then knows as 2NGPV. Why don't you just add those too and get 18? Not to mention, surely you know the 3NGPV under the OG1525 is the Kedah replacement and not an addition. So why even add it at all?

See how annoying people playing with nuance is?


This qualify as me putting my own words into Dagemudin mouth?
Really?

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You are selling BNS wet dream as official RMN policy.

Off course these are the kind of shitty ship that RMN would get if they allowed BNS a monopoly and what was in the OG 1525.

Aren't you glad those general 'sabotage' BNS out of making anymore ship for RMN?

Yeah. Take bastard naval shipyard words with a bit of a salt lah.

They the one who sold the gowind to RMN. Does the whole gowind fiascos sounds like they building ship according to RMN requirements?

Again plans can change. You the one who refused to thinks that's a possibility. I know you are not impressed with ATM procurement & strategies because it's too conventional & not asymmetrical enough to your liking.

At the very least give them a reasonable bits of a doubt rather than relying to much on your precognitive biases that's all them general aren't bright because they didn't want to do what you consider awesome.



This post has been edited by darth5zaft: Sep 28 2021, 11:40 PM

Fun facts.
The former chief of navy whose the main force behind the 1525 plans after retirement quickly join bastard naval shipyard parents companies.

https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/person/21019587

Thought he left quickly afterwards as the whole LCS fiascos started to blows up. So if anyone wondering why RMN trying hard to do MMEA jobs with 36 gunboats and would only use those vessel for 20 years (instead of the usual 30yrs ++ for other navies). That's your likely answer.


He is now in T7 marine who did that weird CMS change to the Jebat. Which get lots of people wondering if KD Jebat for sure can fire a missiles as well as trying to sell mitsui ship to the vietnamese through japanese soft loans.

This post has been edited by darth5zaft: Sep 29 2021, 06:51 AM

Guess You can do almost everything if you throw enough money & time around. You can even buy a Russian jet with french avionics to drop american bombs.

It's up to individuals country to figure if the money, time, headaches & efforts Worth it.

Never realize that the defense white paper is already out in the public domain.

Some infographic from the defense white paper





Plans acquisition for the next 10 years

Kawasan teras
*ATM akan mewujudkan Angkatan Amfibi bagi melindungi kepentingan negara melangkau kawasan teras. Angkatan Amfibi ini perlu dilengkapi Kapal Sokongan Pelbagai Guna (Multi Role Support Ship, MRSS)

*Angkatan Masa Hadapan memerlukan 155mmSelf-Propelled Howitzer (SPH) sebagai bantuan tembakan tidak langsung yang utama yang juga boleh digunakan untuk pertahanan pantai. ATM juga perlu menggantikan 105mm Light Howitzer yang telah usang dengan senjata baharu yang mempunyai jarak tembakan yang lebih Jauh danmempunyai ketepatan menembak yang lebih baik

*Angkatan Masa Hadapan memerlukan sistem Pertahanan Udara Jarak Sederhana (Medium Range Air Defence, MERAD) baharu

*ATM perlu menggantikan Kenderaan Perisai (Armoured Vehicle, AV) yang uzur kepada yang lebih baharu dengan perlindungan yang lebih baik, meningkatkan daya tembak, ketahanan yang lebih tinggi dan kemampuan amfibi. Keperluan ini bagi memastikan pasukan
Armor dan Mekanize boleh diatur gerak di seluruh kawasan teras yang bentuk muka buminya boleh menjadi sangat mencabar terutama di Sabah dan Sarawak.

* Angkatan Masa Hadapan juga memerlukan Helikopter Pengangkut Taktikal (Tactical Transport Helicopter) untuk diatur gerak secara cepat dan bot tempur untuk operasi sungai dan pantai.

"Bagi melindungi ruang udara dan menyokong operasi daratan, operasi maritim dan operasi amfibi di kawasan teras, Angkatan Masa Hadapan memerlukan Pesawat Tempur Ringan (Light Combat Aircraft, LCA) untuk Bantuan Udara Rapat (Close Air Support, CAS), Serangan Udara Medan Tempur (Battlefield Air Interdiction, BAI) dan operasi pemintasan untuk menyokong Pesawat Tempur Pelbagai Guna (Multi Role Combat Aircraft, MRCA). LCA juga akan melaksanakan peranan berganda sebagai pesawat latihan pejuang (Fighter Lead-In Trainer, FLIT)

*Bagi operasi maritim di dalam kawasan teras, ATM akan mengaturgerak Kapal Misi Pesisir (Littoral Mission Ship, LMS) yang boleh menjalankan pelbagai misi termasuk SAR dan HADR, antikeganasan dan antipelanunan, pengumpulan risikan dan peninjauan, hidrografi
dan antiperiuk api.LMS adalah reka bentuk modular dan boleh dilengkapi dengan senjata dan sistem tambahan untuk memenuhi keperluan operasi masa hadapan.

* ATM juga merancang untuk memperoleh
Kenderaan Bawah Permukaan Autonomi (Autonomous Underwater Vehicle, AUV) dan Kenderaan Pemusnah Periuk Api (Mine Disposal Vehicle, MDV) untuk menyokong operasi maritim di kawasan teras


Kawasan Lanjutan

*ATM perlu mencapai Kawalan Laut (Sea Control) di permukaan dan bawah permukaan melalui Penafian Laut (Sea Denial) dan Penegasan Laut (Sea Assertion). Justeru, ATM bergantung pada dua kelas kapal perang iaitu Kapal Tempur Pesisir (Littoral Combat Ship, LCS) dan Kapal Ronda Generasi Baru (New Generation Patrol Vessel, NGPV) yang mampu melaksanakan operasi di kawasan ini dengan jarak, ketahanan dan keupayaan yang diperlukan

*Sementara itu, NGPV sedia ada juga boleh dilengkapi dengan sistem
senjata tambahan jika diperlukan.

*MDA akan dipertingkatkan lagi dengan Pesawat Ronda Maritim (Maritime Patrol Aircraft,MPA) dan Sistem Udara Tanpa Pemandu Aras Sederhana Ketahanan Tinggi (Medium Altitude Long Endurance Unmanned Aerial System, MALE UAS) untuk melaksanakan rondaan pengawasan maritim dari udara. ATM memerlukan Helikopter Misi
Maritim untuk meningkatkan keupayaan kapal tempur baru yang dijangka beroperasi pada akhir tempoh KPP ini. Setiap sistem penderia (sensor) dan sistem komunikasi dari kapal tempur, MPA, MALE UAS dan helikopter akan dirangkaikan ke Pusat NCO ATM untuk MDA yang lebih menyeluruh di kawasan lanjutan.

*Sistem Radar Pertahanan Udara tambahan akan membantu mencapai litupan radar yang menyeluruh dan pengawasan ruang udara sepanjang
masa 24/7, kawalan ruang udara dan tindakan penguatkuasaan.Kerajaan memperakui bahawa melindungi dan mempertahankan kawasan lanjutan adalah sangat mencabar untuk ATM. Sehubungan itu,kerjasama dengan agensi keselamatan yang lain seperti APMM dan pihak berkuasa seperti Jabatan Perikanan dapat memperluaskan liputan untuk melindungi ZMM. ATM juga dipertangggungjawabkan untuk membantu tugas penguatkuasaan bagi menyokong agensi keselamatan yang lain.


Kawasan Hadapan

*Untuk melindungi dan mempertahankan kepentingan nasional di luar negara dan memenuhi tanggungjawab global serta melaksanakan operasi di kawasan hadapan, ATM bergantung pada kuasa udara (MRCA, Pesawat Pengangkut Bahan Api, Pesawat Pengangkut Strategik),
Angkatan Kapal Selam, dan Pasukan Khas. Untuk mempertahankan kawasan hadapan secara efektif, MRCA berupaya melaksanakan serangan strategik dan Gerak Balas Serangan Udara (Offensive Counter Air, OCA) terhadap sasaran udara, maritim dan darat.

Pada masa kini, ATM bergantung kepada pesawat F/A-18D dan SU-30MKM untuk misi ini dan penggantian akan dibuat setelah pesawat-pesawat ini mencapai tempoh tamat perkhidmatan pada Rancangan Malaysia ke-14 dan ke-15

"TUDM berhasrat untuk melengkapkan No 18 Skuadron kepada 18 buah pesawat Hornet dalam RMKe-12. Kombinasi F/A-18D
dan SU-30MKM adalah paling ampuh di rantau ini yang memberi kelebihan kepada Malaysia berbanding negara-negara terdekat.


*Bagi serangan jarak jauh dan cegah rintang oleh angkatan laut dikawasan hadapan, ATM kini mengoperasikan dua kapal selam kelas Perdana Menteri dengan keupayaan antiperiuk api serta
antipermukaan dan antikapal selam untuk melaksanakan maneuver jarak jauh secara halimunan

*ATM memberi keutamaan tinggi kepada kemampuan Pasukan Khas dalam melaksanakan operasi khas di kawasan hadapan. Pasukan Khas memberi kelebihan kepada kerajaan dalam melindungi kepentingan negara di kawasan hadapan. Keutamaan akan diberikan kepada
Pasukan Khas ATM dalam perolehan senjata dan peralatan khusus untuk melaksanakan operasi mereka. Di samping itu, latihan dan pembangunan keupayaan akan diteruskan dengan Pasukan Khas negara sahabat dan rakan pertahanan.




https://www.mod.gov.my/ms/maklumat/kertas-putih-pertahanan


Guess i guess quite a lot correctly then.

This post has been edited by darth5zaft: Sep 30 2021, 03:51 AM

Well they keep on telling they going to release it. Even during the last pembentangan RMK. But off course the white paper as it is, is just a general idea.

Also I said Corvette size. Never did i say it's a traditional Corvette.
The whole mission statement are the same as LMV, arafura, Al baynuah & Pinoy navy new OPV. At the very least it would be 900 tons to fit in all the stuff they wanted to install on it. It's a mini mothership so to speak. So having a heli pad on top of the mission deck is useful if one day the acquired a vertical lift drone.

which is different from current CLMS which basically just a very basic gunboat. It can't do anything else nor have any Space to install anything else other than being a gunboat.





CG is not their responsibility. Coordination between ministry is iffy in MY context. Most of the time in area of responsibility bertindih, both would wrote the full plans & argue which of them should get to do what, it's up to the gov to decide which agency then get to do what.




Would be quiet a waste of money IMHO. Better to go buy a western equivalent and you get to use it on LCA & new MRCA.




Unless the ATM are truly stupid. There's no need for them to build 3GPV to be the same size as 2LMS.

Big ship is popular with the voters, what's more when all our immediate neighbors is getting one. Even if ATM didn't want it, politikus would want it to satisfied the voters.



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They are imitating Japan & Aussie instead. Unlike sweeden, the chances of anyone actually land on our shore or occupied our island are quite low.
It's there likely to dual roles as to help others as well as moving troops between Borneo & Malaya.

As for immitating US marine. well, If not mistaken the K806 & 808 are procure because US lobbies hard to SK gov so they acquired such amphibi capabilities. If SK ever going to war, it's would be a mostly land battle. So that's amphibious abilities is an extra cost that they may not need but are there mostly to satisfied the US.

Off course the only thing missing from the amphibious plans is an attack helo. But off course if TD get attack helo, the number of LCA AF would get would be reduced.


Those Korean Blackhawks only have 10 more years of live left, US new helo would only be produced by 2030s, both contenders are of new design and avionics. plenty of upgrade & adjustment need to be done and likely have full combat abilities 10 years after, and maybe another 10 before it's cheap enough for us to acquired.

H160 is the European alternative to FVL. Likely build as a discount X3 at first because the European can't afford fly by wire and thus those forward propeller yet. It may be able to be upgraded in the future. But even if it isn't, it's still a competent helo. European allowing local assembly do make it a more interesting prospect and if you kiss their ass hard enough maybe they approve the transfer of Aussie tigers to us.

So Even if MY acquired FA50, MY won't likely be asking for those Blackhawks.


Just ask Sinki & UAE how they use their relatively large ship for MCM and you would have No need to buy those small ship. If small ship are needed they still have 4 CLMS.


The guy who wrote the doctrines that RMN should have 36 gunboats to do CG job sudah retired, his golden parachute plans for BNS all already got detrained. After his retirement, the white paper states that the 3GPV would be a warship not a gunboat. The 2LMV would be a Multi mission vessel with FFBNW missiles and no longer a gunboat.

Kementah aren't responsible towards CG planning. It's for the home ministry to do. All they could ask is to cooperate & coordinate they can't dictated. MOF are not stupid to buy 2 ship for CG & RMN to do the same jobs. Just because they wrote it doesn't mean mOF would acquired it. likewise Just because RMN willing to give, doesn't mean CG willing to receive. They also would prefer a new vessels rather than a hand me down.

If we assume a minimum of 18 opv & 18 FAC size ship is needed for sea assertion, then 6 NGPV + 6 LCS+ 3 tun Fatimah + 3 CG mothership = 18
6 bagan datuk + 4 CLMS + 8 2LMS = 18

CG main job is law enforcement 1st, protection or enforcement of sovereignty 2nd. At the same time, Chinese CG now being a military organization may give our CG excuse not to deal with them since It does justified using navy against their CG.

As it is our CG are overstretched & underfunded to do enforcement and using their ship to babysit the Chinese for weeks may not be something they wanted to do particularly when Sulu & SOM are filled with Pirate & economic migrants. Maybe they the one that should operate the CB90 kinda vessel.

Give your navy small ship results in nothing for your navy to do during peace time then to use those vessel to fight off your neighbor Pirate & economic migrants which often involves chasing them in our neighbors water and even landing on their shores to capture them. While giving CG big ship to sit around babysitting Chinese intrusion but without any firepower if they get aggressive nor any ability for forward deployment to keep war out of our water maybe a wee bit too backwards in priorities? CG small ship operate near shore,Navy big ship operate further offshores sounds like a more feasible plans.


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This post has been edited by darth5zaft: Sep 30 2021, 04:17 PM