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jwst1313
post Oct 3 2021, 10:01 PM

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How many billion US$ is malaysia defense budget.??
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post Oct 4 2021, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(alexz23 @ Oct 4 2021, 10:33 AM)
Who is the one who pusing?

I fully understand the KPP in Malay. If you cannot understand malay properly, I will also post the official english version of the KPP, of the paragraph that you quoted.

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ATM needs to achieve Sea Control (mencapai Kawalan Laut) with 2 ways, 1. sea denial (penafian laut) and 2. sea assertion (penegasan laut).

To achieve that, it will depend on
1. LCS - for sea denial

2. NGPV for sea assertion

LCS - the new LCS to have helicopters and enhanced Anti-Air Warfare (AAW), Anti-Surface Warfare (ASuW) and Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW) capabilities. The new LCS will replace the older classes of frigates and corvettes in stages.

NGPV - no explicit mention of future NGPV capabilities. Only mention that the existing, current NGPV can be retrofitted with additional weapon systems if required (NGPV sedia ada juga boleh dilengkapi dengan sistem senjata
tambahan jika diperlukan).
Existing NGPV means the current 6 ships of the KEDAH class, which is built from the start with FFBNW provisions.

Plenty of other publications has written about TLDM requirements for NGPV Batch 2 and 3.

From JANES
From malaysian defence
Our current scorpenes will still have at least 20 more years of service left. If that is the case, the earliest out of service date would be around 2039-2041. I suggest to buy a 3rd scorpene in 2026-2030. That would entail around 15 years of service alongside the current scorpene submarines. Plus 3 more submarines and 6 large UUVs from 2031 onwards.
I am not the one who does not understand the DWP. Read my explanation above.

My point is, if TLDM wants a 120+ million dollars NGPV as per their requirements, it is better to actually buy 40 million dollars 140m 4000 tonnes OPV from Korea for MMEA instead. Money saved not buying 120+ million dollars NGPV could better used to buy TLDM proper fully armed Frigates and Submarines instead.

Also when did I even say budget from RMK12 going to pay for boat in RMK14???
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Our Lekiu class already 25 years old, still have to sail. Still havevto do SLEP in 2014/2015 to lengthen the service for another 10 to 15 years until 2030. Your Gowind LCS 6 biji supposed to be ready 3 years ago to replace the lekiu. Where are these 6 boats?? This also you failed to deliver the Gowind to the navy !!๐Ÿ˜ and nowvyou talk submarine replacement. Hahaha

If Bns build a boat at 2x to 3x higher price of import from overseas established, builder, then forget about getting from bns.

Would you pay a BMW 3 series price for a Honda City, frankly would anyone do that if it is on your own money!! And after paid 50% down payment cannot get our car!!

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post Oct 5 2021, 12:43 PM

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This is the 1st Egyption Gowind 2500 tons corvettes. First steel cut April 2015 and ready Sept 2016. Naval Group took 17 months to launch a vessel or the 1st for Egypt ๐Ÿ˜„๐Ÿ˜

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post Oct 5 2021, 12:58 PM

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Egypt launch 2nd Gowind 2500 made by Egypt shipyard

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post Oct 5 2021, 01:00 PM

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Uae launch Gowind 2500 built in UAE

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post Oct 5 2021, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Oct 5 2021, 07:13 PM)
US$720 million or RM$3.03 billion for 2 multi purpose frigate (AAW and ASW capability) at between 5700 tons to 6,000 tons each. Let say add another RM$1 billion for cost over run , the total is only RM$4.03 billion for for two units of 5700 tons to 6000 tons boats capable of AAW and ASW. Means one boat highest price RM$2.015 billion.

Lets see Gowind 3100 ton a boat after completion cost how much a boat. It was priced at RM$9.12 billion for 6 boat or RM$1.52 billion a boat.

We would see at the end after paying RM$9.12 billion how many Gowind 3100 TLDM will get๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜ and we know the price per boat.

Do your maths later๐Ÿ˜
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post Oct 5 2021, 09:06 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Oct 5 2021, 05:58 PM)
KF-21 joint development twin engine fighter between korea and indonesia.

The size is just similar to F18 E Superhornet at 61 feet length. Means a large fighter.

Use the proven enginec GE F414-400 engine , same engine use in F18 E/F SuperHornet and Saab Gripen.

TUDM has been using F18D Hornet which is a bit smaller at 56 feet and use twin engine GE F 404 (the older brother of GE F414). TUDM does not have problem not even a hull lost of F18 D hornet for 25 years. And you are still using. And your engineers are well trained to maintain.

KFx 21 is similar to American jet. American engine, american avionics and weapon system. In fact is is an American jet. Why always want to go back to mother Russia. Your MIG 29 are younger then the 8 units of F18D and all retire in the hangar. Your SU30MKM also almost about time.

Sometimes just cannot get it.

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post Oct 5 2021, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(alexz23 @ Oct 5 2021, 09:01 PM)
your maths does not contribute anything to complete those gowinds.

those type 31 is good. we can get them when we complete our gowinds.
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๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜ let see how many billions needed from tax payer to complete the 6 Gowind.

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post Oct 5 2021, 09:32 PM

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Full respect to Lekiu Class TLDM. At 2,200 tons after serving more then 20 years, need to stretch it life span by SLEP in 2014/2015 in order to serve until 2030+

Lekiu Class was the F2000 Corvettes made in Yarrow shipyard UK in 1995

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post Oct 6 2021, 09:04 PM

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QUOTE(alexz23 @ Oct 6 2021, 10:26 AM)
Want them to succeed?

Do like Korea. Buy local even if it is not cost effective.

Like just buy 100+ new Surion even if need to retire still perfectly operational Blackhawks.

Want deftech to survive? Buy Gempita 8x8 second batch.

Want SMEO to survive? Buy ammo from SMEO periodically, and sell old ammo overseas.

Want BNS to survive? Continue the Gowind project.
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post Oct 7 2021, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Oct 7 2021, 12:34 PM)
Its all now depend on US Congress approval.
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Indonesia is Asean taiko economically and military.

The american should have smell something
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post Oct 7 2021, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(junkyman @ Oct 7 2021, 10:40 PM)
If really Indon get both type of Jets !! Would be a boost to their airforce. But logistic wise (maintenance) hmmm
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Do not look down on Indonesia.

Not to praise but it is true that American made jets last very long compared to Russian made jets.

Our F18D hornet were aquired in 1996. All Still flying fighthing well

Mig29 was aquired around 2007 to 2009 but all in muzuem since 2017 or 2018 ๐Ÿ˜‰

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post Oct 8 2021, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(Lampuajaib @ Oct 8 2021, 12:05 PM)
I think MY will get F35 or others 5th gen fighter later.
If MY want to buy KFX, we should look at SK-ID agreement first who has the right to sell to us. MY is closer to ID.

ID is the producer that will make TNI is initial user of KFX. The good thing for ID that ID can make changes/ modification/upgrade by themselves without any permission needed.
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Your country divided by SCS not suitable F35. Why must always 1st Class even cannot afford.? F18 Superhornet cannot.
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post Oct 9 2021, 10:10 AM

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TNI is spoiled of choices for heavy multi purpose frigate (Perform both AAW and ASW). Wonder which they might narrow down

1) Iver Class 6500 tons
2) AH140 (Type 31) 5700 tons
3) Fremm 6900 tons

A big business for those defence contractors though, at least 10 vessels of heavy multi purpose frigate. Who provide best deal and transfer of tech to PT PAL would likely have better chances.

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post Oct 9 2021, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(alexz23 @ Oct 9 2021, 10:34 AM)
You missed the bus on the latest news??

The AH140 design is to be implemented on the original Iver Huidfledt contract. So both are one and the same.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-det...ariant-contract

FREMM contract also already signed.

Nothing to narrow down from your list of frigates.
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Thank you. i missed out that news. Means deal done. Good. Fast job fast decision
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post Oct 10 2021, 10:23 AM

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Wonder why nobody would start a war? If war start, it is end of earth and human race.

China, USA, Russia, France and Great Britain have ballistic missle submarimes (SSBN) , nuclear powered sub carry at least 12 nuclear ballistic missle that can hit a target between 8,000 km to 11,000 km away. Each with destrying power minimum 1,000 kiloton (1 megaton)

The destroying power of current nuclear ballistic missile is minimum 1 Megaton (1,000 kiloton) per missile. The atomic bomb little boy dropped in Japan that destroyed Hiroshima in 1945, killing 200,000 people on immediate blast and more suffer later. The little boy atomic bomb was only 15 kiloton, that is 1.5% of destrying power of current ballistic missile.

If one nuclear ballistic missle hit a city, its finish, at least 8 million to 10 million will die instantly and the city vapourized.

Below is china type 094A Jin Class at submerged 11,000 tons. Carry 12 Nuclear ballistic missile. Newer type 096 on construction.

In comparison, the US Navy ohio Class SSBN weight 18,000 tons and carry 14 ballistic nuklear missle + 4 cruisr missles.

The Russian Borei class SSBN weight 24,000 tons and carry 24 nuclear ballistic missile

China Type 094A Jin class weight 11,000 tons carry 12 nuclear missiles

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post Oct 10 2021, 12:44 PM

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US Navy SSBN (SSGN) Ohio class 18,000 tons and 14 nuclear ballistic mizsile + 4 cruise missle

Russia Borei (SSBN) Class 24,000 tons and 24 nuclear ballistic missile

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post Oct 10 2021, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Oct 10 2021, 03:15 PM)
That's why they won't.

Military are a diplomatic & trade tools.
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But all the super powers will keep building newer nuclear toys. Show off first to one another. You have i also have but they will mot fight. Only smaller countries with dumb mimisters felt thr impact
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post Oct 11 2021, 08:33 AM

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Question. Seems that Tldm do not install any ciws of such on their boats. Any reason why?

AK630 ciws
Goal keeper ciws
Dardo ciws

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post Oct 16 2021, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(alexz23 @ Oct 11 2021, 09:52 AM)
which country are you from?

TLDM is using DARDO 40mm, bofors 40mm andย  bofors 57mm for close in air defence.

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Sidah tak de la bro. Ini gambar bila. Tanya kawan kat TLDM

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