asking for all 100++ is too much.

if we buy 36 or more FA/TA-50, probably asking for 1-2 dozen Blackhawks would be a more logical ask.

Yes it is not. which is why i propose UUVs. We can afford to get UUVs if we quit wasting money on buying expensive things like the 65 million dollar LMS and 300 million dollar Kedah class OPVs.


Not now, but there will be in near future. minelaying is one of the most possible task that can be done by UUV, as you only need to have preplanned route to lay mines, unlike using UUV to hunt other submarines or ships.

https://seapowermagazine.org/navys-orca-xlu...laying-mission/

You can mine your own harbor or waterways by using cargo, or what most people do, using offshore supply vessels (OSV). But you cannot mine your enemy waterways or harbor using slow lumbering vessels. Which is why we need UUVs and standoff flying mines like quickstrike + wing glide kits.

https://seapowermagazine.org/navy-orders-qu...-for-sea-mines/

https://news.usni.org/2018/09/24/36763

This post has been edited by alexz23: Sep 12 2021, 05:08 PM

NGPV next batch should not even be in the plans at all.

OPV is MMEA task not TLDM.

60 million dollars 1890 tonnes displacement and 83m long OPV 1800 can do the same task as the 300 million dollars 1850 tonnes displacement and 91m long Kedah class.

1x Kedah class can pay for 5x OPV 1800 Tun Fatimah class. Money that TLDM can better spend on stuff that can really do offensive tasks, like UUVs, more scorpenes, low cost LMS (less than 20 million dollars each) that are fast, agile, and can have modular missile systems.

does not matter who is behind that. If we did really at the time buy and pay for those rafales or typhoons (which was like 8-12 aircraft only?), TUDM will be royally screwed for the next 30 years. We will have zero money for LCA/LIFT, MPA and new ground based air defence radars. We won't have the money to regularly operate those expensive fighters and will be good only for occasional parades. isn't that can be counted as treason to the country?

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Where did Leonardo say this??

https://www.transportenvironment.org/press/...oil-diesel-2023

https://scandasia.com/malaysia-appeals-eu-b...m-oil-biofuels/

I concur, FIC is not a job for TLDM, but it is just to spend ops benteng budget allocated to TLDM. At least its better than just getting a few books like TUDM 🤪

A Kedah class corvette with RAM and Exocets would be great like 10 years ago. But for the future? With geospatial satellite tracking and what not, can it really bring the fight to the enemy? Anything less than what we are buying for our Gowinds is in my opinion not survivable in war situation. If corvettes are sitting ducks in future wars, why bother? if it is just going to be used as OPV, better buy something that is made for OPV instead, rather than a FFBNW corvette with all the expensive stuff.

if we did really buy the 18 rafale then, what do you would happen to TUDM in 30 years time? Do you think Rafales or Typhoons are the best for TUDM future? Greece buy 12 used and 6 new Rafales for 3 billion dollars. If we buy in the last rancangan malaysia, we need probably until 2030 to fully pay the Rafales.

Even currently not buying the MMRCA we dont really have the money to buy anything for TUDM. If we do buy the Rafale, we will be surely without MB339 and Hawk replacements until after 2030. We will have broken fighter pilot training system. We will not have money to buy MPA, compromising our EEZ defence. We will not have money to buy UAVs. We will be stuck with the Rafale for 30 more years.

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atreyuangel

did leonardo offer additional 7 free M346 to malaysia?

https://www.mod.go.jp/en/article/2021/09/35...b90a9510ab.html

"Welcoming the signing of Japan-Vietnam Defense Equipment and Technology Transfer Agreement today, the Ministers decided to accelerate consultations for the transfer of specific equipment including vessels."

we do know from DSCA 18 units of F/A-18F offer to Malaysia in 2002 was 1.5 billion dollars. There was no DSCA notification in 2015 for super hornet.

So Leonardo is just going to give 250 million dollars worth of aircraft for free? 22 September will be the closing date for LCA/FLIT. Just 1 week away. Surely the manufacturers will disclose their offers and costs then.

The L-39NG?

Great airplane as a trainer, ground attack. not great as LCA/FLIT.

Right now if you want to do the same task and capability as the L-39, most people will go for the more economical to operate Pilatus PC-21. Other similar aircraft in capability range is the M345, which italy is going to use to replace MB-339 (a higher performance aircraft actually than the M345)

To compare top speed

L-39NG 775km/h
M345 740 km/h
PC-21 685 km/h
MB-339 898 km/h

If TLDM want to reboot the LMS, please use something like this for the platform. Got speed (at least 28 knots), range (at least 2500nm) and space to put modular anti-ship missiles, tow variable depth sonars, mine countermeasures modules and much much more. The picture is the ships US navy is using for the unmanned test.



If what we need is actually more OPVs, then TLDM has nothing in this. Let the OPVs be bought and operated by MMEA.






I totally agree if Malaysia is going to use MICA NG and NSM as our main anti-aircraft and anti-ship missiles. MICA NG should also going to tentera darat RAD GAPU to replace the Jernas, and NSM for RAD Rocket Brigade coastal missile battery. NSM for TLDM has been fully paid for, MICA still not paid yet, hopefully can change to MICA NG.

NSM coastal


MICA ground


As we are a maritime nation, to me if consider which one is more important right now to the army, the 6x6 IFV, 155mm SPH or NSM coastal, I would say it would be the NSM coastal.

This post has been edited by alexz23: Sep 13 2021, 10:46 AM

The Royal Air Force’s Eurofighter Typhoon Tranche 1 aircraft being retired in 2025 will have average flying hours of almost 2,545 hours when they are taken out of service.

That means they will have over half of their useful life left.

“There are 30 Typhoon Tranche 1 aircraft in the sustainment fleet and the projected average flying hours for each of the aircraft, when they reach their respective Out of Service Date, is 2544.8 flying hours,”

Of the 30 Tranche 1 Typhoons, 20 are in active use while the other 10 are stored at RAF Shawbury.

The Tranche 1 variant of the aircraft, the eldest of the four developed, is limited to the use of air-air missiles and has very limited air-ground capabilities without the use of an external pod. Therefore, it is often limited to air superiority missions such as Quick Reaction Alert (QRA) purposes by its operators.



https://www.aerotime.aero/28842-raf-typhoon...e-airframe-life

azriel

good for your country Indonesia to take up

This post has been edited by alexz23: Sep 13 2021, 11:43 AM

" As part of the overhaul, the UK also announced plans to retire 14 C-130J Hercules Mk4 by 2023, to make way for the A400M. The Hercules aircraft had been due to continue flying until the mid 2030s "

This is good for many countries.

Wish that TUDM can sell off all of our old C-130H and get these C-130J instead. But we dont have the budget for less important things like this.

Anyone getting these RAF C-130J are getting a bargain.

New jet in the near future for RAF Red Arrows.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-99...Red-Arrows.html










This new plane is, for the basic spec similar in performance to the L-39NG, and the advanced spec, probably the M346.

Far cry from the Mach 1.5, 1,837.5 km/h of the FA-50.

This is the range of these things at full speed 100% of the time. the range at cruising speed is much much more.



When compare with the LMS we are buying from china, the specifications are clearly underwhelming.

Wuchang LMS

full speed 24 knots

range 2000 nm at 15 knots.

Which is why for me the best platform that can do both FLIT and LCA at in 1 platform is the golden eagle.

MICA as it is is underwhelming when compared to ESSM. I would prefer the ESSM myself in the past. But with the MICA NG, same size as MICA but having the range of ESSM, then it becomes a good choice.

The main evolution of the MICA NG for naval use compared to the existing MICA are:

Extension of the motor with the addition of a dual pulse motor (max Interception range increased to 40 km, similar to the reference on the market: Raytheon’s ESSM).

Miniaturization of components in the missile

Introduction of latest technologies such as dual pulse motor, AESA RF seeker and FPA IIR seeker






Type 31 would be a good ship to replace our Lekiu and Kasturi.

MMEA getting absalon? around 250 million dollars each without weapons, which in itself cheap for the size of the ship. But I would prefer MMEA to have 6 of these instead for the price of 1 absalon.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2020/0...st-guard-fleet/

Korean cost guard paid 90 billion korean won for 2 ships. That is 77 million dollars for 2 ships. Each ship costs 38.5 million dollars only!!!

This post has been edited by alexz23: Sep 14 2021, 12:08 AM

Shooting AShM missiles from shore is okay, for operations to block the melacca straits or the narrow waters above pulau banggi in Sabah, which has seen the Chinese Carrier Liaoning pass though there.



It will be quite impossible to strike ships in south china sea with shore NSM, unless they are very close to shore for amphibious landings. Thats where we need submarines and frigates with NSM, and 20 LMS carrying containers with cheapo AShM (wish it could be NSM also, but we are not rich to buy that many NSM) running around in between heavy civilian traffic in south china sea. Not forgetting our MKM and Hornets that will also be available to strike at enemy ships



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Yeah maybe because Maharajalela use Setis. UAE Gowind use thales tacticos + ESSM.

MSA Boeing has been scrapped long time ago.

https://alert5.com/2017/06/14/boeing-msa-is-dead/