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Honours

Premiership (13): 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2013
Division One Champions (7): 1908, 1911, 1952, 1956, 1957, 1965, 1967
Division Two Champions (2): 1936, 1975

European Cup/UEFA Champions League (3): 1968, 1999, 2008
UEFA Europa League (1): 2017
European Cup-Winners' Cup (1): 1991
European Super Cup (1): 1991

FA Charity/Community Shield (21 (17 outright, 4 shared)): 1908, 1911, 1952, 1956, 1957, 1965*, 1967*, 1977*, 1983, 1990*, 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 2003, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2016 (* = joint holders)
FA Cup Winners (12): 1909, 1948, 1963, 1977, 1983, 1985, 1990, 1994, 1996, 1999, 2004, 2016
League Cup Winners (5): 1992, 2006, 2009, 2010, 2017

Toyota Inter-Continental Cup Winners (1): 1999
FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2008

Managers

A. H. Albut [1892 - 1900]
James West [1900 - September 1903]
Ernest Magnall [10 October 1903 - 9 September 1912]
T. J. Wallworth [9 September 1912 - 20 October 1912]
John Bentley [28 October 1912 - 28 December 1914]
John Robson [28 December 1914 - 31 October 1921]
John Chapman [31 October 1921 - 8 October 1926]
Clarence Hildrith [8 October 1926 - 13 April 1927]
Herbert Bamlett [13 April 1927 - 9 November 1931]
Walter Crickmer [9 November 1931 - 13 July 1932]
Scott Duncan [13 July 1932 - 7 November 1937]
Walter Crickmer [9 November 1937 - 15 February 1945]
Matt Busby [1 October 1945 - 11 June 1969]
Jimmy Murphy [February 1958 - June 1958]
Wilf McGuinness [11 June 1969 - 29 December 1970]
Matt Busby [29 December 1970 - 8 June 1971]
Frank O'Farrell [8 June 1971 - 19 December 1972]
Tommy Docherty [22 December 1972 - 4 July 1977]
Dave Sexton [14 July 1977 - 29 April 1981]
Ron Atkinson [9 June 1981 - 6 November 1986]
Sir Alex Ferguson [6 November 1986 - 30 June 2013]
David Moyes [01 July 2013 - 22 April 2014]
Ryan Giggs *Caretaker* [22 April 2014 - 18 May 2014]
Louis van Gaal [July 2014 - 23 May 2016]
Jose Mourinho [27 May 2016 - 18 December 2018]
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer [19 December 2018* - Present] *Note: Appointed officially on 28 March 2019

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Manch..._and_statistics

Record Home Win: 10-0 v Anderlecht, 26/09/1956 (European Cup Preliminary Round, 2nd leg)
Record Home Defeat: 1-7 v Newcastle United, 10/09/1927 [Division 1]

Record Away Win: 8-1 v Nottingham Forest, 06/02/1999
Record Away Defeat: 0-7 v Blackburn Rovers, 10/04/1926 (Division 1) | 0-7 v Aston Villa, 27/12/1930 [Division 1] | 0-7 v Wolverhampton Wanderers, 26/12/1931 [Division 2]

Record Win: 10-0 v Anderlecht, 26/09/1956 (European Cup Preliminary Round, 2nd leg)
Record Defeat: 0-7 v Blackburn Rovers, 10/04/1926 (Division 1) | 0-7 v Aston Villa, 27/12/1930 [Division 1] | 0-7 v Wolverhampton Wanderers, 26/12/1931 [Division 2]

Record League Win: 10-1 v Wolves, 15/10/1892 (Division 1)
Record League Defeat: 0-7 v Blackburn Rovers, 10/04/1926 (Division 1) | 0-7 v Aston Villa, 27/12/1930 [Division 1] | 0-7 v Wolverhampton Wanderers, 26/12/1931 [Division 2]

Record Premier League Win: 9-0 v Ipswich Town, 04/03/1995
Record Premier League Defeat: 0-5 v Newcastle United, 20/10/1996 | 0-5 v Chelsea, 03/10/1999 | 1–6 v Manchester City, 23 October 2011

Record FA Cup Win: 8-0 v Yeovil Town, 12/02/1949
Record FA Cup Defeat: 1-7 v Burnley, 13/02/1901 [1st Round]

Record European Win: 10-0 v Anderlecht, 26/09/1956 (European Cup Preliminary Round, 2nd leg)
Record European Defeat: 0-5 v Sporting, 18/03/1964 [Cup Winners' Cup QF]

Record Champions League Win: 7-1 v Roma, 10/04/2007 [UCL QF, 2nd leg]

Record Home Attendance (At Old Trafford): 76,098 31/3/2007 Premier League (Man Utd vs Blackburn) (83,260 for United v Arsenal at Maine Road in 1948)

Record League Appearances: 672 (555 Start, 117 Sub) Ryan Giggs 1990 - 06 May 2014 v Hull City [963 (802 Start, 161 Sub) overall]

Record League Goalscorer: 199 [in 606 league appearances] Sir Bobby Charlton 1956-1973

Record Overall Goalscorer: 253 [in 559 appearances] Wayne Rooney 2004-09 July 2017

Record Transfer Fee Received: 80,000,000 pounds for Cristiano Ronaldo to Real Madrid (July 2009)

Record Transfer Fee Paid: 89,000,000 pounds for Paul Pogba from Juventus (August 2016)


As the world's biggest and richest club, Manchester United reach a global fanbase.

Part of the attraction for fans around the world has been the football luminaries, such as George Best and Sir Bobby Charlton, who have graced the Old Trafford turf in a Manchester United shirt over the years.

Recently, Manchester United have continued to attract or develop some of the game's biggest names, with England stalwarts such as Paul Scholes and David Beckham having been regular fixtures in the Reds line-up.

The Manchester United team, past and present, reads like a who's who of world football.

It is only fitting that a great team should grace a great stadium. And with Old Trafford's recent development and the closure of Wembley, the ground is easily the largest in English football, holding in excess of 60,000 fans.

Despite this capacity, the demand to see United in action is so great that tickets are hard to come by.

But it isn't only Manchester United fans who flock to Old Trafford. The standard of the ground is such that it regularly hosts high-profile games, most notably, the Champions League Final and Great Britain rugby league games.

Rock fans have also made use of the Reds's facilities, watching a number of high-profile acts at the ground.

But it's football that will forever be synonymous with the Reds famous ground - and with good reason.

The last decade has seen Manchester United under the shrewd leadership of Sir Alex Ferguson maintain a virtual stranglehold on the Premiership crown.

Manchester United has won the league no fewer than 18 times in their history. They are also Cup Kings too, winning the FA cup 11 times, the league cup 4 times, as well as winning the European Super Cup, European Cup Winner's Cup, and 3 times being crowned European Cup champions.

Manchester United has long become a name associated with success both on and off the pitch.

As club profits continue to grow, Manchester United have become one of the richest sports clubs on the planet.

With supporters club branches on every continent, it's hard to go any where in the world and not see somebody wearing the famous red shirt of Manchester United.

Manchester United Club Info

Old Trafford

Nickname: The Red Devils

Ground: Old Trafford

Pitch Size: 116 x 76 yards (106.0704 x 69.4944 meter)

Capacity: 76,000

Address: Sir Matt Busby Way, Old Trafford, Manchester

Postcode: M160RA

Directions: From North: Leave the M60 at junction 12 for M602 (Salford / Manchester). At the end of M602 (Jtn 3) follow the signs for Salford Quays and Trafford Park. At the roundabout turn right into Trafford Road (A5063), then at the bridge over Manchester Ship canal, keep in the right hand lane and turn right. Next, follow this road round to Trafford Wharf Road, and then left onto Watersreach. Continue through the traffic lights onto Sir Matt Busby Way.

From South: Leave M6 at junction 19, then take the A56 towards Manchester Airport. Join the M56 to Manchester, going past the Airport and then follow the signs for the M60 (Leeds / Liverpool). Leave M60 at Jtn 7 (A56 Chester Road) following signs for Manchester United Football Club. Turn left into Sir Matt Busby Way.

Ticket prices: 25 pounds upwards, concessions from 12.50 pounds. Tickets for the home sections are usually only available to members of the club and are normally allocated by ballot.

Contact information: Ticket Office: 0161 868 8020
Main Telephone: 0161 868 8000

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QUOTE(zenix @ Nov 24 2009, 09:18 PM)
Hope Alien will sticky this info later.
Though written in 2006 so no Roy Keane yet.

Ex-United players that have moved on to become managers.

Written by Simon Stone (MARCH 22, 2006)

STEVE BRUCE (1987-1996): Took his first steps in management with Sheffield United in 1998, then swiftly moved on to Huddersfield, Wigan and Crystal Palace. Left Selhurst Park in acrimonious fashion after Birmingham targeted him as the replacement for Trevor Francis in 1991. Took Blues into the Premier League but after a heavy FA Cup defeat is struggling to keep his job.

MARTIN POWELL (1971-1983): Stylish and well-respected Scotland centre-half whose authoritative nature appeared to make him a natural for the management game. Lasted four months at Burnley.

SIR BOBBY CHARLTON (1956-1973): Arguably the finest English player of all time proved to be an unmitigated disaster as a manager. Claimed he was not given the resources to make a decent job of it at Preston but was never lured back into management following his departure after a single season.

STEVE COPPELL (1975-1983): After a knee injury cut his playing career short at just 28, Coppell turned his attention to management. Steered Crystal Palace into the FA Cup final and then third place in the old First Division - the Eagles' highest ever - the following season. It was the first of four stints in charge at Selhurst Park in a career which has seen him move to Manchester City (for only six games), Brentford and Brighton. Now at Reading and about to steer the Royals into the top flight for the first time.

PADDY CRERAND (1962-1971): A key figure in United's 1968 European Cup triumph, Crerand lasted five months at Northampton before getting the bullet and, like Charlton, never managed again.

MARK HUGHES (1983-86, 1988-95): Hughes was never tipped as a manager by Ferguson but has taken to the game with ease. Took Wales into the Euro 2004 play-offs. Took over at Blackburn shortly afterwards, steering Rovers away from danger in his first season. Currently in contention for a Champions League spot.

BRIAN KIDD (1967-1974): Another European Cup winner who proved to be a poor manager. Got itchy feet in 1998 after spending seven years as Sir Alex Ferguson's highly-rated assistant. Took command at Blackburn but dismissed six months later.

BRYAN ROBSON (1981-94): United's inspirational leader under Ron Atkinson and Ferguson. There are two schools of thought on his stint at Middlesbrough - he either spent lots and achieved little (relegation and two losing finals) or he laid the platform for the Teessiders to become an established Premiership outfit. Kept West Brom up in extraordinary fashion last year but back in trouble again this season.

GORDON STRACHAN (1984-89): Scotland international who won the FA Cup with United and the title of the pre-Premiership era with Leeds. Sacked after five years at when the Sky Blues lost top-flight status, then enjoyed success at Southampton - reaching the 2003 Cup final - before resigning to spend more time with his family. Now at Celtic, has recovered from a humiliating Champions League exit to Artmedia Bratislava, and, after winning his first trophy on Sunday in the CIS Insurance Cup, is set to clinch the Scottish Premier League.

NOBBY STILES (1960-71): Along with Charlton, one of only two Englishmen to have won the World Cup and European Cup, he replaced his former England and United team-mate at Preston, with limited success. After a brief stint in Vancouver, returned to England to take over as manager of West Brom. Sacked after five months, having gained just three wins.
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2020's Summer Ins and Outs

https://www.premierleague.com/transfers/summer/2020

In
Odion Ighalo (Shanghai Shenhua) Loan
Donny van de Beek (Ajax)
Edison Cavani - Free Agent

Out
Cameron Borthwick-Jackson (Released)
Dion McGee (Released)
Angel Gomes (Released)
Ethan Hamilton (Released)
Michael O'Hara (Released)
Largie Ramazani (Released)
George Tanner (Released)
Alexis Sanchez (Inter Milan)
Tahith Chong (Werder Bremen) Loan
Aliou Traore (Caen) Loan
Joel Pereira (Huddersfield) Loan
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Manchester United are expected to be without Marcus Rashford and Edinson Cavani for Thursday's Europa League last-16 first-leg tie against AC Milan.

Rashford was substituted during the 2-0 win against Manchester City on Sunday after injuring an ankle.

Fellow forward Cavani, meanwhile, missed the derby having only recently returned from a muscle injury.

Goalkeeper Dean Henderson will play again, with David de Gea absent after the birth of his first child.

Milan striker Zlatan Ibrahimovic will not face his former club because of a thigh injury, and the veteran Swede is one of a number of absentees.

The Italian side have also travelled without without Theo Hernandez, Ismael Bennacer, Hakan Calhanoglu, Ante Rebic and Mario Mandzukic.

Diogo Dalot, who is on loan from United, is able to play against his parent club.


https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/56351824
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Oh no rashford injured?
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hope can achieved good result for today match
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lucky. mctominay always let his opponent shoot in front of him. he rarely try to block.
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Sloppy passes all over the pitch
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United when play against big teams always got scared and nervous.
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QUOTE(yujirorasy @ Mar 12 2021, 02:45 AM)
United when play against big teams always got scared and nervous.
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especially bruno the nervous big-game dude
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QUOTE(orga_laut @ Mar 12 2021, 02:47 AM)
especially bruno the nervous big-game dude
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Lol. Yup. Especially Bruno.
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bruno
keep on losing d ball
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QUOTE(and85rew @ Mar 12 2021, 02:53 AM)
bruno
keep on losing d ball
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quiet worrying for past 4-5 matches.

martial injured??
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Gooool amad diallo
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Bruno assist hahaha
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amad!!
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QUOTE(areankim @ Mar 12 2021, 03:00 AM)
quiet worrying for past 4-5 matches.

martial injured??
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Martial mia too much tongue.gif
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Just like Chicharito! Nice hopefully Ole will continue to do early sub again..
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QUOTE(orga_laut @ Mar 12 2021, 02:47 AM)
especially bruno the nervous big-game dude
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and got an assist thanks to amad!
martial cant do that
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Bruno shows he is capable doing world class pass if he just calm down.
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Milan keeper looks average at best.. just try long shot, might trouble him
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Matic and mctominay makes united play slow tempo
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Play defensive at home. Really embarrassing.
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long time didnt follow up MU match
why they keep doing keeper pass to defend, then back to keeper?


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Double decker OT
Expect ole to repeat the same next week
Lucky result but they worked hard for it
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Aiyo away goal concede
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Now ole have to attack in milan
Too early to park the bus

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Shooting own foot again. Keep the ball la aiyoooo

Henderson error, header straight at him

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Referee so cibai, hand ball no give freekick to us. It is not even in penalty box. Any handball shud give free kick.
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everytime.. forever shit under ole.. clueless..

bring all defence in and they fuked up.. everytime
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Piece of shit mindset. Retire if don't want to play.
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QUOTE(KennRicky @ Mar 12 2021, 03:48 AM)
Referee so cibai, hand ball no give freekick to us. It is not even in penalty box. Any handball shud give free kick.
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it should be a foul & free kick for United
and Milan scored right after that
VAR? What var?

QUOTE(orga_laut @ Mar 12 2021, 03:49 AM)
everytime.. forever shit under ole.. clueless..

bring all defence in and they fuked up.. everytime
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tactically inept OGS only know counter attack
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Aiyo why dont wanna keep posession and see it through..

If Henderson saved that, he deserves the number one spot.. for now De Gea still numba one
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But it prove again we are really weak in defending freekick and corner. Can't OGS see it and change the motherfxxking defensive coach? He is so damn useless.

Don't say is players problem please. Lindelof + Captain + AWB the same. Bailly + Captain + Brandon Williams also the same. It must be coach problem.
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And still can't figure out wtf the club didn't set the standard loan rule where loanee cannot play against the team. It make the situation so awkward. It is stupid. It will further limits Milan tactical plan as well since they are floods with injuries. Just plain stupid.
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About Dean Henderson, haiz.
It is his weakness really, totally opposite with De Gea.
De Gea good in reflex save but weak in handle crossing and long shot.
While Henderson good in handle crossing and long shot, he is weak in reflex save.
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Milan were good in 1st half, but we were much better in the 2nd half. 2 golden chances were spurned, and we are conceding when we practically have 8 defensive minded players on the pitch.

The door to QF are very much open, positive thinking, we are gonna attack them at San Siro.
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the smallest guy on the field scored with a header lol
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Chicharitooooooooooooo!

Eh? Wrong person 😂


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Maguire is such a great defender, he decided to help opponent to defend as well
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QUOTE(wilsonjay @ Mar 12 2021, 11:22 AM)


Maguire is such a great defender, he decided to help opponent to defend as well
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Underrated defender. We should be grateful we have him. For 80 million! 😂
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Maguire did his job. He prevented a sure goal.

We only have ourselves to blame for this.
With 15 minutes to go, we opted to park the bus with a 5 man defence and 3 CDMs. And true enough, the bus sprang a leak.
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Mar 12 2021, 11:32 AM)
Maguire did his job. He prevented a sure goal.


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The post match interview he said he forgot that he was at the other side of the field.
He should be scoring not defending.


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QUOTE(damnself @ Mar 12 2021, 11:21 AM)
Chicharitooooooooooooo!

Eh? Wrong person 😂


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when i look back at amad goal ,..oh my just look at that bruno pass, this is like prime pogba ..and the finishing is world class .. such beauty..

keep on repeat @ [1:01] .. its like pure instinct , on the run - without looking just turns his head - execute the header

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boring first half.

amad goal is special. could have a special result and again lousy defending. even henderson can't save us from corner lol. if corner so weak don't simply give corner away la. brandon williams also another one. i thought that corner given away is a cheap shot.

matic also contribute nothing to att. mispass here and there

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Mar 12 2021, 11:32 AM)
Maguire did his job. He prevented a sure goal.

We only have ourselves to blame for this.
With 15 minutes to go, we opted to park the bus with a 5 man defence and 3 CDMs. And true enough, the bus sprang a leak.
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Not suprise at all. Typical Ole's tactic, hope for counter.
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Maguire is so good that he helps out both sides with crucial clearance.

Captain Marvel indeed.
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Watched the past couple of games for the full 90 minutes, and can't fault Ole for much except maybe parking the bus in the final 15 minutes for the Milan game.
He went for Maguire-Bailly for the Milan game which meant we played higher. The players just have to put those chances away, James especially.

Our midfield probably wouldn't start for the top half of PL teams. I sympathise with Bruno who is suffering from the 'starve the enganche' syndrome.
This is where you nullify an oppositions best creative outlet by cutting off the supply line. And with Fred, McT and Matic it is easy to do. Bruno doesn't get the ball enough. When he does, what a pass to Diallo.

We keep playing a double CDM pivot presumably because one isn't good enough for us. A pivot CDM shold be able to do 3 things : Shield the defence, offer an outlet to take the ball off the defenders and distribute up the field at speed.
None of our CDMs can tick the boxes.

Fred can screen the defence but does not have the passing range to get it up the field. He gives the ball away too often for a PL CDM.
McT can occasionally make the pass upwards but not often enough for a CDM. He is not naturally suited to a CDM role because he doesn't close down players fast enough. He is more of a BBM.
Matic is done. Off the pace of the game at this level.

Our transition speed is too slow, it gets held up at the CDMs. Usually by the time they get it out, the opponents have reset their defensive shape.
We can't seem to pick the ball off the defenders and move the ball to Bruno quickly enough.

As a legendary FM player (tongue in cheek please, hold up the hate posts), my first signing for United was a CDM. biggrin.gif


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apart from few attacking moves, terrible display from United..

thought it was going to be one of those poor performance but great result.. well United get what they deserve in the end.. 1-0 lead at home and yet couldnt keep the ball for more than 5minutes..
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We are not getting through. Looked like we didn't even want to turn up. Good riddance of this cup which we don't deserve anyway...
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Mar 12 2021, 05:00 PM)
Watched the past couple of games for the full 90 minutes, and can't fault Ole for much except maybe parking the bus in the final 15 minutes for the Milan game.
He went for Maguire-Bailly for the Milan game which meant we played higher. The players just have to put those chances away, James especially.

Our midfield probably wouldn't start for the top half of PL teams. I sympathise with Bruno who is suffering from the 'starve the enganche' syndrome.
This is where you nullify an oppositions best creative outlet by cutting off the supply line. And with Fred, McT and Matic it is easy to do. Bruno doesn't get the ball enough. When he does, what a pass to Diallo.

We keep playing a double CDM pivot presumably because one isn't good enough for us. A pivot CDM shold be able to do 3 things : Shield the defence, offer an outlet to take the ball off the defenders and distribute up the field at speed.
None of our CDMs can tick the boxes.

Fred can screen the defence but does not have the passing range to get it up the field. He gives the ball away too often for a PL CDM.
McT can occasionally make the pass upwards but not often enough for a CDM. He is not naturally suited to a CDM role because he doesn't close down players fast enough. He is more of a BBM.
Matic is done. Off the pace of the game at this level.

Our transition speed is too slow, it gets held up at the CDMs. Usually by the time they get it out, the opponents have reset their defensive shape.
We can't seem to pick the ball off the defenders and move the ball to Bruno quickly enough.

As a legendary FM player (tongue in cheek please, hold up the hate posts), my first signing for United was a CDM. biggrin.gif
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We need a midfielder like Carrick to be able to make such long passing, currently Pogba is the one able to do that
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Pogba can do it but he’s not a CDM. A CDM doesn’t need the expansive passing range like Pogba which is world class, having a midrange one is good enough. The most important criteria here is transition speed, how quickly the player can release the ball to the next player. Preferably with one touch. Our current CDMs have slow transition speed, usually needing a couple of seconds on the ball before releasing the pass. By then, the window for our creative player to pick the lock is gone.

I like Carrick. But if I could reach into the past, I’d go for Keane. He’ll do the job well, on top of giving our current Captain a bollocking every time the defence goes to sleep.
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We are not getting through. Looked like we didn't even want to turn up. Good riddance of this cup which we don't deserve anyway...
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As far as I’m concerned we are still deep in the mimpi ngeri, that hasn’t ended since it started in 2014
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QUOTE(andrewtho @ Mar 12 2021, 04:52 PM)
Maguire is so good that he helps out both sides with crucial clearance.

Captain Marvel indeed.
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So all forwards except Greenwood has injured and not available this weekend. And the worse, Greenwood has lost all feelings to score now. And he can't take ball while standing back to opponent CB.

Is it time for OGS to try something new?
Shortire for sure not ready yet.
Move Bruno as forward? Not my cup of tea certainly.
Bruno need to be on no.10 position, or else no creativity at all.

Make McTom as fake 9?
Well not KDB that type of fake 9 certainly.
He only has 2 jobs, pressing on opponent CB non stop. And take the ball while standing back to opponent player and quickly pass back to Bruno or both flanks.
And actually McTom can shoot, just cannot pass forward.

Well, it sounds stupid I know.
But one thing for sure, putting Greenwood as CF won't work. He has lost all his feelings now. From a scoring machine to almost a surplus. May be the problem is within himself, may be the problem is from OGS, keep develop him as winger while he is a pure striker.
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QUOTE(KennRicky @ Mar 13 2021, 08:00 PM)
So all forwards except Greenwood has injured and not available this weekend. And the worse, Greenwood has lost all feelings to score now. And he can't take ball while standing back to opponent CB.
If OGS brings a striker from the Academy, I would like to see Charlie McNeill play. Although he is only 17, his body frame seems stronger compared to Joe Hugill.

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QUOTE(KennRicky @ Mar 13 2021, 08:00 PM)
So all forwards except Greenwood has injured and not available this weekend. And the worse, Greenwood has lost all feelings to score now. And he can't take ball while standing back to opponent CB.

Is it time for OGS to try something new?
Shortire for sure not ready yet.
Move Bruno as forward? Not my cup of tea certainly.
Bruno need to be on no.10 position, or else no creativity at all.

Make McTom as fake 9?
Well not KDB that type of fake 9 certainly.
He only has 2 jobs, pressing on opponent CB non stop. And take the ball while standing back to opponent player and quickly pass back to Bruno or both flanks.
And actually McTom can shoot, just cannot pass forward.

Well, it sounds stupid I know.
But one thing for sure, putting Greenwood as CF won't work. He has lost all his feelings now. From a scoring machine to almost a surplus. May be the problem is within himself, may be the problem is from OGS, keep develop him as winger while he is a pure striker.
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Greenwood is a proper striker who plays best receiving the ball facing the goal.
When you play Greenwood who depends on his movement to create chances, this comes as either through balls or low sweeping crosses.

The problem here is that tempo is not high enough to generate those through ball opprtunities nor get in a postion to make thos low crosses.

Bruno can make them if given the opportunity. The problem is by the time we get the ball to Bruno, the opposition defensive unit has usually reorganized.
The weak link is getting the ball from defence to Bruno. That is a supply problem which neither Fred nor McT is the solution. Sometimes, we see Lindelof making those through balls for a couple of goals but these are rare. To solve the supply issue, Pogba is required but we have no idea what his status is. He may have lost all interest to play for United.

I won't be surprised to see Pogba suddenly being available for France again after being injured for so long.
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considering the circumstances, we can play amad la. he has the confidence

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Hope we're not playing poor Rashy injured though..

Moyes is playing a defensive team today and i am expecting nothing more than a snoozefest trying to see us try breaking down a turtling West Ham (without lingarinho at that)
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Greenwood looks on fire.. hope he scores
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Nothing new, no plan against bus-parking opponent, OGS never change. Stubborn, lack in tactics. Playing counter attack while opponent parking the bus.
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OGS counters will not work vs deeply parked busses
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Nice McT... Looks more like own goal though lol
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Finally a breakthrough from corner

Hope they maintain focus
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Nice McT... Looks more like own goal though lol
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How Fred misplace his pass under zero pressure is mind boggling. Teams can just give him space and double mark Bruno instead
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How Fred misplace his pass under zero pressure is mind boggling. Teams can just give him space and double mark Bruno instead
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The scene right now looks familiar where the opponent pressure and get last minute goal.
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Cmon get that 2nd goal to kill the game off..
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Are we banned from making subs or what lol
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Can't OGS just sub AWB out? He is playing so bad today. Somemore he is with yellow card.
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A hard-fought win
Maguire motm
Colossal today

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Rashford - greedy as always
greenwood - greedy and too many unnecessary touch
Mctominay and fred - not contribute much in attack
Awb - bad both defense and offense
James - as usual

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Greenwood playing much better than previous matches.. should've scored though.. but its good la he's getting sharper.. maybe will score next match

Maguire looks like 80m defender tonight lol.. damn good..


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Not sure opponent not pressing hard enough or what, Greenwood seems find back some feelings on how to become a real Striker. Good for him, good for the team. Just stop playing him as winger damn, he is a striker. Can't OGS just continue to develop him as striker damn.

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Rice seems good for us. He alone can manage mid area He is just 22 years and Captain. Man Utd kinda type of player
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We created a few good chances, definitely we are better than those 0-0 games. Just lack of finishing touch.

Greenwood clearly a CF, good striker of the ball, but not good enough yet. His best game in this calendar year.

Maguire is the MOTM, but we can't rely on this odd great performance every game.
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QUOTE(silvertoes @ Mar 15 2021, 05:16 AM)
Greenwood playing much better than previous matches.. should've scored though.. but its good la he's getting sharper.. maybe will score next match

Maguire looks like 80m defender tonight lol.. damn good..
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Greenwood was just unlucky this game. All the right movements.
Can't blame him for the chances going against the post.

Future number 9.
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Rice seems good for us. He alone can manage mid area He is just 22 years and Captain. Man Utd kinda type of player
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Rice seems good for us. He alone can manage mid area He is just 22 years and Captain. Man Utd kinda type of player
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I had earlier thought that Rice would be a good target but lately I am starting to have doubts.
Rice looks very good in an organized defensive side, like how West Ham usually setup. But at Manchester United, we usually want to be on the front foot in most games. If we buy him because he looks good defensively, he might end up to be another version of McTominay.

Not enough games to see how Rice looks in an offensive side. May need recommendations from you guys on West Ham games which they attack.
I'm looking for decision speed and passing range to start off attacks quickly and I haven't seen much of it in recent games. Not saying he can't do it, just saying West Ham are not playing they way which he can showcase it.


QUOTE(statikinetic @ Mar 12 2021, 05:00 PM)
We keep playing a double CDM pivot presumably because one isn't good enough for us. A pivot CDM shold be able to do 3 things : Shield the defence, offer an outlet to take the ball off the defenders and distribute up the field at speed.
None of our CDMs can tick the boxes.

Fred can screen the defence but does not have the passing range to get it up the field. He gives the ball away too often for a PL CDM.
McT can occasionally make the pass upwards but not often enough for a CDM. He is not naturally suited to a CDM role because he doesn't close down players fast enough. He is more of a BBM.
Matic is done. Off the pace of the game at this level.

Our transition speed is too slow, it gets held up at the CDMs. Usually by the time they get it out, the opponents have reset their defensive shape.
We can't seem to pick the ball off the defenders and move the ball to Bruno quickly enough.
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On my earlier comment above, here is one example of the CDM range I was talking about.
Just when I mention it, Fred does it. It's the Greenwood chance, go to 1:40 in the vid.



Fred pings it to Bruno quickly before the West Ham defence can set.
Bruno is able to thread the pass with Greenwood's movement for him to hit the post.

This is what the CDM should do. Feed the creative player quickly.
But Fred was completely unmarked and in acres of space to do it here. When he's pressured, he usually can't do it.

This is probably down to West Ham sitting behind the ball and not pressuring Fred like most teams do so Fred gets an opportunity to pass it off quickly.
Most teams put men on Fred & McTominay to prevent the forward pass which starves Bruno, which ends up with people saying Bruno had a bad game.

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so unlucky that greenwood with rashford chance hit tiang. was surprised he took a shot and keeper stand there froze aje.

awb tak boleh la. always mispass when going forward. kinda pissed on him already. def also getting worse as compared last time.

and we got problem closing game off? some like want corner flag, some like want proceed. end up give ball away. make a decision la. lucky referee no play corner at 93min.

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Mar 15 2021, 02:23 PM)
I had earlier thought that Rice would be a good target but lately I am starting to have doubts.
Rice looks very good in an organized defensive side, like how West Ham usually setup. But at Manchester United, we usually want to be on the front foot in most games. If we buy him because he looks good defensively, he might end up to be another version of McTominay.

Not enough games to see how Rice looks in an offensive side. May need recommendations from you guys on West Ham games which they attack.
I'm looking for decision speed and passing range to start off attacks quickly and I haven't seen much of it in recent games. Not saying he can't do it, just saying West Ham are not playing they way which he can showcase it.
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I view Rice just like another Mctom, no point spending money on this kind of player where our priority is RW and CB.

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I view Rice just like another Mctom, no point spending money on this kind of player where our priority is RW and CB.
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I think we have made our bed in the RW spot by buying 2 young RW in Diallo and Pellestri this season.
As the poster above has said, I would like to see both these players be given a chance next season. Based on the Milan game, Amad deserves a chance to impress. We bring in someone like Sancho and it'll stifle our wonderkids development now.

CB, yes. Even more than that, I've started to see how our team splits into a defensive block of 6 and our attacking 4 upfront.
The midfield sinks so deep that Bruno is forced to come deep looking for the ball. Augmenting our attack at this point seems moot if the supply line is compromised. Neither McFred looks capable to recycling the ball quickly. I'd like a class CDM to establish the supply line and dictate the tempo from deep.
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Mar 15 2021, 02:23 PM)
I had earlier thought that Rice would be a good target but lately I am starting to have doubts.
Rice looks very good in an organized defensive side, like how West Ham usually setup. But at Manchester United, we usually want to be on the front foot in most games. If we buy him because he looks good defensively, he might end up to be another version of McTominay.

Not enough games to see how Rice looks in an offensive side. May need recommendations from you guys on West Ham games which they attack.
I'm looking for decision speed and passing range to start off attacks quickly and I haven't seen much of it in recent games. Not saying he can't do it, just saying West Ham are not playing they way which he can showcase it.
On my earlier comment above, here is one example of the CDM range I was talking about.
Just when I mention it, Fred does it. It's the Greenwood chance, go to 1:40 in the vid.

Fred pings it to Bruno quickly before the West Ham defence can set.
Bruno is able to thread the pass with Greenwood's movement for him to hit the post.

This is what the CDM should do. Feed the creative player quickly.
But Fred was completely unmarked and in acres of space to do it here. When he's pressured, he usually can't do it.

This is probably down to West Ham sitting behind the ball and not pressuring Fred like most teams do so Fred gets an opportunity to pass it off quickly.
Most teams put men on Fred & McTominay to prevent the forward pass which starves Bruno, which ends up with people saying Bruno had a bad game.
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The last match game does not justify what Rice is, the reason West Ham/Moyes played with 5 defenders(thou on paper 3-1-4-2) but most of the time 5 at the back which he lacks an option to pass at the upfront

I watched him play against Spurs and Leeds which is a similar formation that Ole do 4-2-3-1. He is far better on defence than Mc Tom/Fred combined and his passing far better than Fred/Ndidi(which United interested to buy)

Yes he is far from perfect in fact he is not as world-class as Kante, Roy Keane, Viera but he just 22 years and captained, he can improve more. And Ole really wants him on last transfer windows




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I am impressed with Declan Rice so far. He is definitely better than our current DM. Problem is we have already Matic, Fred and McTominay. Well, maybe release Matic.
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Habis. He unlucky la. When most ppl out injured, he also injured. No chance play
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I don't think it is luck, even when fit Ole doesn't play him.
It is almost like Ole doesn't want him and somebody else sanctioned the transfer instead.

The few games he played, he did well. If VDB had been fit for the West Ham game, he still would not have played going by Ole's selection history. It would have been McFred for 90 minutes.
I really feel sorry for VDB, he has done what he can by putting in good performances when he is played and staying professional when not.

Jude Bellingham can look at turning United down as the best decision he has made in his career so far.
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I don't think it is luck, even when fit Ole doesn't play him.
It is almost like Ole doesn't want him and somebody else sanctioned the transfer instead.

The few games he played, he did well. If VDB had been fit for the West Ham game, he still would not have played going by Ole's selection history. It would have been McFred for 90 minutes.
I really feel sorry for VDB, he has done what he can by putting in good performances when he is played and staying professional when not.

Jude Bellingham can look at turning United down as the best decision he has made in his career so far.
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Ya pity him haha. Dunno what happen to him. If play style issue, then i doubt it's ole want sign him. Not that ole has agenda on him. Diallo also got his chance.

He did very well first few games but then become James version lol. Confidence drained
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QUOTE(IpohGuyz @ Mar 16 2021, 09:58 AM)
Ya pity him haha. Dunno what happen to him. If play style issue, then i doubt it's ole want sign him. Not that ole has agenda on him. Diallo also got his chance.

He did very well first few games but then become James version lol. Confidence drained
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If VDB came on and played badly then I'd at least understand. He did not play badly when used.
In fact, one of our best midfield performances was in a CL game where we used Fred-VDB and the midfield was just so efficient at moving the ball from defence to attack.

We definitely did VDB dirty here.
The other player we did dirty was Romero. But that's for another discussion.

James only has speed, not much of a footballing brain. Donny is probably looking at him wondering how James can get a game but Donny is stuck on the bench.
James reminds me a bit of Theo Walcott in the early days. Devastating speed, doesn't know how to channel it effectively.
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if barca buy vdb
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Amen.
If he goes to Barca and pairs with De Jong, it'll be a midfield to watch!

If he continues rotting at United, I really hope he gets a move like that for his career. Guy deserves better.
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Amen.
If he goes to Barca and pairs with De Jong, it'll be a midfield to watch!

If he continues rotting at United, I really hope he gets a move like that for his career. Guy deserves better.
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VDB did not get fair treatment, not given enough chances
he is on the move type and will be perfect for barca system
hard for vdb to play with bruno/pogba as they tend to play too much killer balls rather than pass-move type

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Amen.
If he goes to Barca and pairs with De Jong, it'll be a midfield to watch!

If he continues rotting at United, I really hope he gets a move like that for his career. Guy deserves better.
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QUOTE(and85rew @ Mar 16 2021, 10:27 AM)
VDB did not get fair treatment, not given enough chances
he is on the move type and will be perfect for barca system
hard for vdb to play with bruno/pogba as they tend to play too much killer balls rather than pass-move type
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I'd like to expand on the last point as I think players like Bruno and Greenwood are the type comfortable with pass & move.
Players like Fred and McTominay, less so.

Fred is pass and watch it go to the opponent.
McTominay is pass, and then gaze admiringly at the pass while it finds your teammate.

VDB's appearances have mostly been in place of Bruno, which means he usually needs to dovetail with Fred or McTominay. Sometimes both.
One thing fans may have noticed is the amount of runs VDB makes and how a lot of times to goes wasted as his teammates don't find him. I regularly see him passing to his midfield partner, making the run and then Fred or McTominay passes it backwards to the defence.

Which brings me to the sideways-backwards passing rate.
Van Gaal was widely panned by fans for his team making a lot of sideways or backwards passes. I'd like to see the passing map for Fred and McTominay. Does their sideways/backward pass rate match the stats of Van Gaal's midfield?

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Mar 16 2021, 10:22 AM)
If VDB came on and played badly then I'd at least understand. He did not play badly when used.
In fact, one of our best midfield performances was in a CL game where we used Fred-VDB and the midfield was just so efficient at moving the ball from defence to attack.

We definitely did VDB dirty here.
The other player we did dirty was Romero. But that's for another discussion.

James only has speed, not much of a footballing brain. Donny is probably looking at him wondering how James can get a game but Donny is stuck on the bench.
James reminds me a bit of Theo Walcott in the early days. Devastating speed, doesn't know how to channel it effectively.
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I disagree

when VDB as no.6 or no.8. At some game when i watch he played as double pivot midfield, his positioning is awful, when Mctom make the forward run, he should stay back at midfield, but he made forward run and making the midfield expose nakedly. Opponent can just counter attack u anytime when u lost possession when scenario like this happen. I read some statistic that his forward pass is quite low compare to Fred and Mctom.

The above scenario made OGS move him back as no.10, but he does not has the impact like Bruno did. I can say he is suffering first season due to different league and different playing style between Man Utd and Ajax.
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The last match game does not justify what Rice is, the reason West Ham/Moyes played with 5 defenders(thou on paper 3-1-4-2) but most of the time 5 at the back which he lacks an option to pass at the upfront

I watched him play against Spurs and Leeds which is a similar formation that Ole do  4-2-3-1. He is far better on defence than Mc Tom/Fred combined and his passing far better than  Fred/Ndidi(which United interested to buy)

Yes he is far from perfect in fact he is not as world-class as Kante, Roy Keane, Viera but he just 22 years and captained, he can improve more. And Ole really wants him on last transfer windows

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The problem is the price tag, 100M GBP is too much.
Let the price tag alone, Thomas Partey is only 45m GBP, Frenkie de Jong also signed for €75, one and half year ago nia.
While Rice is 100M GBP, during pandemic? And West Ham for sure will ask for more.

Don't just look at the price tag, look the financial situation.
We need to buy CB, Striker, RW, and DM.
It is like every ideal candidate for each position, the transfer price will be at least 60M each.
Where got so much money ...

And this is exactly why I don't like OGS purchasing style, ALWAYS look for high price player.
Until now, I also don't think Captain and AWB worth their price.

Look at Arsenal, Thomas Partey for 45M GBP, what a deal, damn.
Everton Allan, £25M, what a bargain, even on his age.

OGS? Keep asking for Haaland, Grealish, Rice, Sancho.
All the price tag is at least 100M GBP each, he think we are PSG and Man City?

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I disagree

when VDB as no.6 or no.8. At some game when i watch he played as double pivot midfield, his positioning is awful, when Mctom make the forward run, he should stay back at midfield, but he made forward run and making the midfield expose nakedly. Opponent can just counter attack u anytime when u lost possession when scenario like this happen. I read some statistic that his forward pass is quite low compare to Fred and Mctom.

The above scenario made OGS move him back as no.10, but he does not has the impact like Bruno did. I can say he is suffering first season due to different league and different playing style between Man Utd and Ajax.
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The regressive nature of a double pivot defensive team definitely does not suit VDB's strengths.

QUOTE(KennRicky @ Mar 16 2021, 12:34 PM)
The problem is the price tag, 100M GBP is too much.
Let the price tag alone, Thomas Partey is only 45m GBP, Frenkie de Jong also signed for €75, one and half year ago nia.
While Rice is 100M GBP, during pandemic? And West Ham for sure will ask for more.

Don't just look at the price tag, look the financial situation.
We need to buy CB, Striker, RW, and DM.
It is like every ideal candidate for each position, the transfer price will be at least 60M each.
Where got so much money ...

And this is exactly why I don't like OGS purchasing style, ALWAYS look for high price player.
Until now, I also don't think Captain and AWB worth their price.

Look at Arsenal, Thomas Partey for 45M GBP, what a deal, damn.
Everton Allan, £25M, what a bargain, even on his age.

OGS? Keep asking for Haaland, Grealish, Rice, Sancho.
All the price tag is at least 100M GBP each, he think we are PSG and Man City?
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The price of a player is not down to Ole. It is Matt Judge, our Director of Football Negotiations.
Partey cost 45M for Arsenal, if he had come to United instead it is easy to imagine the price tag being 80M.

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The regressive nature of a double pivot defensive team definitely does not suit VDB's strengths.
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He has to adopt to the team playstyle, if can't then he might leave on this summer for team suitable for him.

On the other hand, OGS is reportedly obtain a new contract of 9mil per year, this summer he has 80mil to spend, have to sell Lingard, Perreira in order to raise fund.
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He has to adopt to the team playstyle, if can't then he might leave on this summer for team suitable for him.

On the other hand, OGS is reportedly obtain a new contract of 9mil per year, this summer he has 80mil to spend, have to sell Lingard, Perreira in order to raise fund.
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Better offer at end of season. We all know what happen if sign too early
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QUOTE(IpohGuyz @ Mar 16 2021, 02:50 PM)
Better offer at end of season. We all know what happen if sign too early
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Kayu has made a huge mistake by giving Moyes 6 years contract and Mourinho contract extension before the season end.
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Maybe VDB was an investment anyway, to buy and sell off for profit.....
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Mar 16 2021, 04:58 PM)
Maybe VDB was an investment anyway, to buy and sell off for profit.....
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actually i never rmb we sell any players off for profit before...
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actually i never rmb we sell any players off for profit before...
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Got ah. Ronaldo........
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Partey cost 45M for Arsenal, if he had come to United instead it is easy to imagine the price tag being 80M.
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45M is release clause la ~
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Mar 16 2021, 05:22 PM)
Got ah. Ronaldo........
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80m ronaldo... which we bought for 18m? after 10 years. is it us selling at a profit? or us selling at a loss? tongue.gif
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80m ronaldo... which we bought for 18m?  after 10 years. is it us selling at a profit? or us selling at a loss?  tongue.gif
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I think still untung if inflation factor in.. but we lost in that deal. If he stayed with rooney... 2-3 more champions League liao
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I think still untung if inflation factor in.. but we lost in that deal. If he stayed with rooney... 2-3 more champions League liao
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RM came and ronaldo wants to leave. he stays another season because of SAF
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QUOTE(orga_laut @ Mar 16 2021, 06:00 PM)
RM came and ronaldo wants to leave. he stays another season because of SAF
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well had we not lost that final maybe he will still stay for few seasons with saf cry.gif
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Mar 16 2021, 05:47 PM)
I think still untung if inflation factor in.. but we lost in that deal. If he stayed with rooney... 2-3 more champions League liao
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he won straight 4 ucl with RM and he lost 2 final with us..imagine if he won 4 with us..already tapao liverpool like that..but that didnt happen..really envy that..
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QUOTE(zhou.xingxing @ Mar 16 2021, 05:33 PM)
80m ronaldo... which we bought for 18m?  after 10 years. is it us selling at a profit? or us selling at a loss?  tongue.gif
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Untung from that deal

Scored more than 100 goals
Won us 3 EPL and 1 CL

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QUOTE(damnself @ Mar 16 2021, 06:11 PM)
he won straight 4 ucl with RM and he lost 2 final with us..imagine if he won 4 with us..already tapao liverpool like that..but that didnt happen..really envy that..
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3 finals and lost 2 to barce...
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Untung from that deal

Scored more than 100 goals
Won us 3 EPL and 1 CL
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rm more untung. got a goal machines and 4 cl.? commercial deals no count yet.. but end up sold him for 100m euros .. rm pandai
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RM came and ronaldo wants to leave. he stays another season because of SAF
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Our defenders are more comfortable around strong forwards instead of pacy ones.
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QUOTE(KennRicky @ Mar 16 2021, 12:34 PM)
The problem is the price tag, 100M GBP is too much.
Let the price tag alone, Thomas Partey is only 45m GBP, Frenkie de Jong also signed for €75, one and half year ago nia.
While Rice is 100M GBP, during pandemic? And West Ham for sure will ask for more.

Don't just look at the price tag, look the financial situation.
We need to buy CB, Striker, RW, and DM.
It is like every ideal candidate for each position, the transfer price will be at least 60M each.
Where got so much money ...

And this is exactly why I don't like OGS purchasing style, ALWAYS look for high price player.
Until now, I also don't think Captain and AWB worth their price.

Look at Arsenal, Thomas Partey for 45M GBP, what a deal, damn.
Everton Allan, £25M, what a bargain, even on his age.

OGS? Keep asking for Haaland, Grealish, Rice, Sancho.
All the price tag is at least 100M GBP each, he think we are PSG and Man City?
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The price tag of 80million, not 100 million is always high when it comes to the United

Like it or not it is United fault from the beginning

If United able to cash in some of their player ie trade with Jesse Lingard and give some amount of money that will be a great trade


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QUOTE(zhou.xingxing @ Mar 16 2021, 06:14 PM)
3 finals and lost 2 to barce...
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If we won straight this 3 can have already badge of honor and knock Liverpool on top 😬
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QUOTE(Azury36 @ Mar 17 2021, 07:01 AM)
The price tag of 80million, not 100 million is always high when it comes to the United

Like it or not it is United fault from the beginning

If United able to cash in some of their player ie trade with Jesse Lingard and give some amount of money that will be a great trade
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hopefully lingard can +5m every game. then can bargain a bit to sell lingard to whu or other interested clubs liao. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(zhou.xingxing @ Mar 16 2021, 06:15 PM)
rm more untung. got a goal machines and 4 cl.? commercial deals no count yet.. but end up sold him for 100m euros .. rm pandai
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QUOTE(IpohGuyz @ Mar 17 2021, 11:50 AM)
ya. rm got a cr7 at his peak. based on his performance, should be 200m that time, not 80m. but then 80m is also a world record. compare with 100m jogba. topkek haha
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The 80M we got for Ronaldo is already a world record at the time and cannot be viewed with the current economic lens of player value because it happened before the most significant event in the past 10 years to inflate elite player valuation.

That event was Neymar to PSG from Barcelona.
Before that, any price above 100M was considered insane and this was reflected in the buyout clauses of Barca's main players. Once that Neymar transfer happened, prices skyrocketed as experts had predicted.
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QUOTE(zhou.xingxing @ Mar 16 2021, 06:14 PM)
3 finals and lost 2 to barce...
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Imagine if cr7 never left us until today
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we were unlucky that we peak at the same time pep's barca peak. barca were unplayable that period
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any chance of getting a price cut aguoro?
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We generally generate low chances per game for our forwards right now and Aguero isn't that mobile. Plus we need to chuck a load of money his way, and he would be hesitant to come due to the rivalry and risk his reputation with City fans. That reputation is something to bank once your playing career is over.

QUOTE(silvertoes @ Mar 17 2021, 05:56 PM)
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Sir Alex should've taken him as assistant manager at the time. biggrin.gif
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hahahaha wow we still the champions league shame

3 remains still going beyond round of 16 especially chelsea laugh.gif rclxms.gif

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hahahaha wow we still the champions league shame

3 remains still going beyond round of 16 especially chelsea laugh.gif rclxms.gif

knocking athletico out 3-0 is a mega statement to la liga as the whole
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Chelsea is a proof of how a proper manager can make a difference.
Same team with different manager with a total different result.
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Chelsea is a proof of how a proper manager can make a difference.
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Same team with different manager with a total different result.
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Agree

Their counter attack against AM is amazing

Their winger apanama is so damn quick and accurate witty the passing.

I'm watching most of the Chelsea matches now.

They are so different with this new manager.


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yeah.. can say that it is honeymoon period for Chelsea.. only time will tell if the good performance will continue..

but one thing for sure, they are a well run club.. mediocrity will be punished..
old or underperform players will be sold or not offered a contract renewal..

United do the exact opposite doh.gif
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Chelsea have a good squad.
Tuchel is a very competent manager.

Him getting results with them doesn't really surprise me.

United cannot do what Chelsea does is because we simply do not have the same management goals. It is as simple as that. Roman probably wants another trophy. Glazers prefer money and United to continue servicing the debt.
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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Mar 18 2021, 04:15 PM)
Agree

Their counter attack against AM is amazing

Their winger apanama is so damn quick and accurate witty the passing.

I'm watching most of the Chelsea matches now.

They are so different with this new manager.
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New tactic new approach and the opponent do not know how to counter them, i'll rather judge him for full season or two season
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Hope that Ole’s usual plan successful tonight.. get that early goal to make em rattled.. sit back and counter..

Another performance like against City tonight.. let’s gooo
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James should've put a ball through for Greenwood.. bad decision
Bruno struggling.. Shaw on beast mode again..

That dude Kassie is good..


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No idea so far
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Time to sub James out, Milan playing counter attack, he has no chance to use his speed. Decision making also sucks.
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Fred also wasted chance for 1 counter attack, haiz.
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Fred mctominay so useless
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Milan is playing good, our defence also okay.
Problem is on the attack side, Greenwood not getting enough support. Rashford being marked tight, not even got chance to touch the ball. James get a lot of ball, but just being sucks at decision making. Bruno has no one to pass. Just sub James out, or else no chance.
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Bad 1st half.. cant keep the ball, no clear chance created at all.. not even close
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Unless Rashford injured, can't see reason why sub him out instead of James.
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James again, just pass the ball damn.
Sub him out, damn.
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Gooooool goooool gooool woooooo

Pogba

Nice steal by Fred

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Pogboom!!
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pogba 1st shot
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just noticed pogba "no look" goal
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fernandes is way way off his standard.
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QUOTE(areankim @ Mar 19 2021, 05:31 AM)
fernandes is way way off his standard.
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they gonna do that again and again, zlatan is so good in the air.

time to get someone to control the midfield.. and see out the game!

VDB + Diallo

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bruno failed every single pass he made today. pogba single handedly transform the midfield today.
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Milan not doing good enough in this match, it surprised me.
They are like champion when at Old Trafford.

Actually we are not doing good enough as well, but more organized in defense compared to last match.
Pogba goal is the difference.
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lindelof playing good tonight cutting all the critical crosses and lose balls.. that cover for bruno misspass was one of the crucial ones...i think he made about 3-4 times ..hes good in reading the game
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Today is a good day, surpringly get through in Europa League, in San Siro. While Mourinho team kena belasah 3 goals and being knocked out.
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No more Jogba and sell him out asap lol..

For a team that rely mostly on individual brilliance, United should keep those that can produce it..
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QUOTE(orga_laut @ Mar 19 2021, 06:01 AM)
lindelof playing good tonight cutting all the critical crosses and lose balls.. that cover for bruno misspass was one of the crucial ones...i think he made about 3-4 times ..hes good in reading the game
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and henderson saves on zlatan header.. lindelof is my MoTM even tho pogba scored.. hes the reason MU still in the game
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QUOTE(yujirorasy @ Mar 19 2021, 05:57 AM)
bruno failed every single pass he made today. pogba single handedly transform the midfield today.
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Spurs joke of the season... Lol... With the players they have... Losing here and there like no tomorrow... Apa la... Rangers also kasi kicked out... Lol
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QUOTE(KennRicky @ Mar 19 2021, 05:58 AM)
Milan not doing good enough in this match, it surprised me.
They are like champion when at Old Trafford.

Actually we are not doing good enough as well, but more organized in defense compared to last match.
Pogba goal is the difference.
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Neither teams controlled/created enough chances
In the end only a goal that separated both sides

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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Mar 19 2021, 06:11 AM)
Spurs joke of the season... Lol... With the players they have... Losing here and there like no tomorrow... Apa la... Rangers also kasi kicked out... Lol
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Their player morale is low after the lost to Arsenal

Anyway Rashford is injured again sweat.gif
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Mar 19 2021, 09:18 AM)
Their player morale is low after the lost to Arsenal

Anyway Rashford is injured again sweat.gif
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Actually Rashford was already injured at the West Ham game.
My guess is he got through it with injections. He's willing to play for the shirt.

Cavani asked to be left out but I don't blame him. He's probably got to look at his options at the end of the season.
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Mar 19 2021, 11:29 AM)
Actually Rashford was already injured at the West Ham game.
My guess is he got through it with injections. He's willing to play for the shirt.

Cavani asked to be left out but I don't blame him. He's probably got to look at his options at the end of the season.
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cavani not injured ka? personal issue with the club or wad? he was playing well. showing the players what a proper 9 is about... then disappear
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Mar 19 2021, 11:29 AM)
Actually Rashford was already injured at the West Ham game.
My guess is he got through it with injections. He's willing to play for the shirt.

Cavani asked to be left out but I don't blame him. He's probably got to look at his options at the end of the season.
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Well we don't know Cavani will opt for contract renewal or not, if not i guess we have to play with Greenwood and Martial upfront.

On the other hand we have secured contract extension for Mengi, Elanga and Hannibal, 3 of them has huge prospect. Puigmal might leave the club by end of this season.

Mengi - CB
Elanga - Left wing
Hannibal - CM
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Mar 19 2021, 09:18 AM)
Their player morale is low after the lost to Arsenal

Anyway Rashford is injured again sweat.gif
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their morale up and down the whole season... from 6-1 thrashing us to consecutive winless runs... and all we added this season is benchwarmer VDB... lol... they got bale, got doherty got reguilon got hjuberg... apa lagi msia mau...

rashy i think he never really fit since the last ac milan match... he just play as much as he can only... cavani let him sort out his personal issue ba... didnt expect him to have impact like ibra anyway... if only ibra din injured heavily during our europa run, he could have stay one more season
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haha weird feeling, when jogba sub in. feel that's a positive move. last time nooooooo!

surprised he replace rashford though. easily the best player on the pitch once comes in, makes everyone play better.

first half summary:-
- bruno like shit. misplace 90% pass everytime in crucial games.
- mcfred tak boleh. can't even string the ball forward, how to score like this.
- awb also. once pass to him in advance role, i frust. sure lose ball with noob pass.

henderson did very well in these streak of matches. bar the mistake on first leg. kapitan also looks like a rock in last 2 matches.
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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Mar 19 2021, 11:51 AM)
their morale up and down the whole season... from 6-1 thrashing us to consecutive winless runs... and all we added this season is benchwarmer VDB... lol... they got bale, got doherty got reguilon got hjuberg... apa lagi msia mau...

rashy i think he never really fit since the last ac milan match... he just play as much as he can only... cavani let him sort out his personal issue ba... didnt expect him to have impact like ibra anyway... if only ibra din injured heavily during our europa run, he could have stay one more season
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Next match FA cup against Leicester also tough match, Rashford still call up for international game. I think with Rashford in doubt, i think Diallo might has his debut soon on RW, moving James to LW temporarily.
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Henderson can replace DDG already
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Rashford wont chill and get full recovery.. great determination..
Ole need to force him to recover.. otherwise this kid playing career will be short
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Mar 19 2021, 12:05 PM)
Next match FA cup against Leicester also tough match, Rashford still call up for international game. I think with Rashford in doubt, i think Diallo might has his debut soon on RW, moving James to LW temporarily.
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QUOTE(zhou.xingxing @ Mar 19 2021, 11:37 AM)
cavani not injured ka? personal issue with the club or wad? he was playing well. showing the players what a proper 9 is about... then disappear
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Mar 19 2021, 11:40 AM)
Well we don't know Cavani will opt for contract renewal or not, if not i guess we have to play with Greenwood and Martial upfront.

On the other hand we have secured contract extension for Mengi, Elanga and Hannibal, 3 of them has huge prospect. Puigmal might leave the club by end of this season.

Mengi - CB
Elanga - Left wing
Hannibal - CM
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There was news that the United medical team had cleared Cavani to go but he felt he was not fit so asked to be left off the plane.
Second time this has happened. Ultimately, Cavani is right to do what is best for his career. He gets a bad injury and it is curtains for his career or at least hurt his options at the end of the season. A Manchester lad like Rashford who knows he will be with us for a long time makes a different decision to play with injections and that's cool too.

We knew what we were getting with Cavani and that was an emergency injury prone striker to cover a horrendous transfer season. Right now, he's right behind Bailly in injury stats. Bailly was expected to start this game but was again injured. He didn't even play against West Ham and picked it up in training.

Cavani's dad has already came out to say his son is leaving at the end of the season. So it is likely he will want to leave. I don't think he is happy with his role in this team.
Pogba, I am thinking he is likely to leave as well. This transfer window will be big for Raiola as he flogs his 2 big clients, Pogba and Haaland, to whoever has a boatload of money to spend.

Ole will stick with the 6 man defensive unit, which means McFred until the end of the season.
Now I think McFred as a midfield combination will never start for the top half of the premiership and in only used to mask a problem :

a) The CBs aren't good enough and need additional protection from a double pivot.
b) The CDM is not good enough to play a single pivot like most Top 6 teams setup.
c) Both (a) and (b).

Which means if we lose Pogba & Cavani, don't get adequate reinforcements and next season it's McFred again, that's a failure.

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if jm then will say cavani not brave enough hehe. looks like jm really pass his best. spurs condition is again nearing like his final seasons on all the clubs he managed.
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Great goal pogba from tight area.. If he leave this summer we definitely need a replacement

Another good defensive display from Lindelof, maguire, henderson.. And of coz united best player this season shaw
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Mar 19 2021, 12:59 PM)
There was news that the United medical team had cleared Cavani to go but he felt he was not fit so asked to be left off the plane.
Second time this has happened. Ultimately, Cavani is right to do what is best for his career. He gets a bad injury and it is curtains for his career or at least hurt his options at the end of the season. A Manchester lad like Rashford who knows he will be with us for a long time makes a different decision to play with injections and that's cool too.

We knew what we were getting with Cavani and that was an emergency injury prone striker to cover a horrendous transfer season. Right now, he's right behind Bailly in injury stats. Bailly was expected to start this game but was again injured. He didn't even play against West Ham and picked it up in training.

Cavani's dad has already came out to say his son is leaving at the end of the season. So it is likely he will want to leave. I don't think he is happy with his role in this team.
Pogba, I am thinking he is likely to leave as well. This transfer window will be big for Raiola as he flogs his 2 big clients, Pogba and Haaland, to whoever has a boatload of money to spend.

Ole will stick with the 6 man defensive unit, which means McFred until the end of the season.
Now I think McFred as a midfield combination will never start for the top half of the premiership and in only used to mask a problem :

a) The CBs aren't good enough and need additional protection from a double pivot.
b) The CDM is not good enough to play a single pivot like most Top 6 teams setup.
c) Both (a) and (b).

Which means if we lose Pogba & Cavani, don't get adequate reinforcements and next season it's McFred again, that's a failure.
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Cavani is protecting himself due to his age, anyway Ole didn't reveal what happened and he respect his decision. Bailly injury float again and the club is negotiating contract extension with him, i was like rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

The CB will be priority for sure, once we secure a good CB able to partner with Maguire, i think McTom will be given instruction to attack the box more often.

For Pogba case, i'm not sure how many club is able to meet his transfer fee and wages demand of above 300k, what i heard Raiola is using the news to force Kayu offer Pogba one last big fat contract. If i am Ole i will keep Pogba due to his ability.

Among the 3 youngsters contract extension, i'm looking forward for Hannibal, his contract is until year 2026 which many young players did not get such long contract. I believe he will be the next generation of midfielder we would see on next season.
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Bailly injury float again and the club is negotiating contract extension with him, i was like  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Mar 19 2021, 02:19 PM)
The CB will be priority for sure, once we secure a good CB able to partner with Maguire, i think McTom will be given instruction to attack the box more often.

For Pogba case, i'm not sure how many club is able to meet his transfer fee and wages demand of above 300k, what i heard Raiola is using the news to force Kayu offer Pogba one last big fat contract. If i am Ole i will keep Pogba due to his ability.

Among the 3 youngsters contract extension, i'm looking forward for Hannibal, his contract is until year 2026 which many young players did not get such long contract. I believe he will be the next generation of midfielder we would see on next season.
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Ole keep playing McFred this season and I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt as he doesn't have anyone else. He obviously doesn't want Donny. Did anyone catch Donny dodging Ole last night just as Ole tried to give him a pat of the back? If he starts McFred next season, I'm close to #OleOut.

We are better with Pogba, and I won't be surprised if the Club decides it is cheaper to give him & Raiola a load of money than trying to transfer in someone of his quality.

That brings us to the summer transfers which I am looking at quite keenly.
I don't have much hope in our new Director of Football setup but as a fan I can hope.
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Europa League quarter-final draw
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Arsenal v Slavia Prague

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Consider good draw already.
Slavia Prague, Ajax, Dinamo is not in big 5 league, seems weaker. But actually they are all leading their own league. Certainly no weak team in quarter final, if based on our level.
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Granada! That was the team I wanted out of the 7 available.
Dinamo kicked out Spurs. Slavia Prague eliminated Rangers.

If we don't make it to the semis, it's all on us.
Ajax in the semis potentially. Poor Donny.
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Pool's draw is fun. Hope Ramos will 'settle' pool's strikers for good.
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haha wow

how we able 2 keep ibra in the pocket is still mind boggling

not 2 mention we kena 2 goals in old trafford only 2 be ruled out significantly

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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Mar 20 2021, 07:08 AM)
haha wow

how we able 2 keep ibra in the pocket is still mind boggling

not 2 mention we kena 2 goals in old trafford only 2 be ruled out significantly

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Even PENchester United doesn't stick anymore. If you look at the stats from before and after Klopp's comments, the penalties given to us dropped significantly. Even a couple of legitamate calls.

On to Leicester!
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Our new sponsor is teamviewer? That is one awkward sponsor on our shirt 😅🥴

https://www.espn.com/soccer/manchester-unit...or-deal-sources
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17mil lesser than Chevrolet, but at this pandemic time i doubt any company is able to match what Chevrolet has paid for 65mil annually.

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Get rid of adidas too
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We spend banyak duitt patut ada piala at least one dalam cabinet.
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QUOTE(Azury36 @ Mar 20 2021, 05:49 PM)
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thats what i previously said, damn ugly man  dry.gif  in my eyes la, not sure you guys ok or not  blush.gif
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From the logo, our new team philosophy is sideways passing.
McFred for life.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/metro.co.uk/20...t-14275944/amp/

I personally not buying this.
No matter how weak OGS is in tactical plan, there is no way he is stupid enough to drop Bailly, if not bcuz of injury.
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Seems like no matter how it is, it will be ugly af ...

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QUOTE(KennRicky @ Mar 20 2021, 07:48 PM)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/metro.co.uk/20...t-14275944/amp/

I personally not buying this.
No matter how weak OGS is in tactical plan, there is no way he is stupid enough to drop Bailly, if not bcuz of injury.
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We'll probably never know.
But a characteristic of OGS is that he defaults to the known lineup when the pressure is on. And that means reverting to the back 6 of McFred, Shaw, Maguire, Lindelof, AWB.

I'm not saying it's true. But there is consistency in past behaviour.
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could be true, Bailly only get to play when Lindelof is not available..
doesnt matter he played good or nor, as soon as Lindelof is available Bailly wont get the spot..
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QUOTE(IpohGuyz @ Mar 20 2021, 11:14 PM)
The Red Devils have this week struck up a five-year deal worth a massive £235m - the biggest shirt sponsorship deal in Premier League history - with remote software company TeamViewer.

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he is the best in doing biz and managing cash flow, he shud just focus on that... he dunno how to nego for players... so how much he earn also wasted on inflated price when we wanna buy players... lol... 80mil slab head
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Cavani wants to go according to a few news outlets from South America, news of a verbal agreement with Boca Juniors being floated about.

Bailly being unhappy with OGS and wanting out of the contract extension on social media.

VDB definitely is unhappy with OGS and wants out.

Pogba still wants out but if the economics don't work out and the bid doesn't come in, he and Raiola will wind down the contract next year for a big free agent signing.

Telles looking for game time hitting social media but not reliable sites so probably wait for the summer.

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watched City Everton, I confidently say United are now under the shadow of City.

The gab of quality is huge and United ie The Board failed to address the problems of United for 8 years

United lack of CDM after Carrick departure. Even Everton got Allan that can cover the defender.

Not only that Fernandinho/Rodri able to bring the ball forward and pass PROPERLY while our Mc Fred failed to pass the ball forward let alone defend properly. Need to have 2 CDMs to cover those 2 slow defenders

Can't blame Ole to put 2 CMDs when United doesn't have any proper CDM

What United need next summer at least 1 CDM, 1 CB and 1 RW.

Incompetent of The Board those positions won't fill but here come new young promising since Zoran Tošić



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James Garner, Lingard and Diogo Dalot is among the best perfomers while being loan out.

James Garner can be the solution for Control Midfielder we are looking for when facing bus parking team in next season.

It seems Dalot and Lingard will be sold next summer, hope they continue play well so we can sell higher price.

Other youngsters such as Mengi, Laird, Pellistri, Bernard also get regular first team football, which is good.

The worst performers are no surprise belong to AP and Chong. TBH, I never like these 2 players. They never impressed me. It even become a problem to get rid of them now.

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QUOTE(Azury36 @ Mar 21 2021, 07:01 AM)
What United need next summer at least 1 CDM, 1 CB and 1 RW.

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I do agree with the priority list, that is by order of importance for me.
The cohesion of a proper CDM is much badly missed.

1. CDM - Elite level player who needs to have a wide distribution range and strong technical skills so they can transition the ball quickly to creative players . our current bunch is too slow. Negates the need to play a double pivot.
2. CB - Quality of signing has to be a player better than Maguire that will play weekly. Otherwise OGS will just play Lindelof and that player gets sat on the bench.
3. RW - I feel that this may not be that high priority as last season because we just signed Diallo and Pellestri last season. Signing a big name RW will just deny both of these wonderkids game time. I'm hoping we give Diallo and Pellestri a chance at RW next season.

Conditional Signings :

1. ST - If Cavani leaves, we may need a ST. More so as there are news that United will listen to offers for Martial. Less critical than the positions above. If the club blows the entire budget on a single susperstar signing here like Haaland, we are royally screwed next season.
2. Midfield - If Pogba leaves, definitely we need more bodies in midfield. Right now we only have Fernandes and McFred. VDB is invisible and is looking for options out, Mata & Matic are long past it, AP & Lingard are already not in the team. There is a possibility for every player previously mentioned to leave the club.

GK situation :

The club may have to choose one of the keepers if both insist on being number 1. If Henderson makes the demand, one will have to be sold.
I rate both of them so whomever goes doesn't matter to me. I"m guessing Henderson will be the more attractive transfer target for other clubs as nobody is gonna pay De Gea's current wages.


This summer transfer window is going to be massive for us as a club.
For now, I'm supporting us all the way. We are second in the League and in a couple of Cups. Even if OGS plays McFred and the back six every game and we nick games 1-0 I don't care now. It's March and the business end of the season. Only results matter here. I want United to finish well and hopefully pick up a Cup. We can address our squad and style of play after it's over.
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We should have bought kante when he left leceister at that time. That for me is a no brainer. Dunno what the manager and board was thinking.
For me, getting CF is more important than getting a RW now. Im not sure if we can get Haaland but that would be the best. Cavani will give you the experience and goals for sure but he won't score you that many goal needed to win a cup or league.

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That team viewer logo is good on the sleeves. It looks ugly on the front
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QUOTE(O-haiyo @ Mar 21 2021, 09:59 AM)
We should have bought kante when he left leceister at that time. That for me is a no brainer. Dunno what the manager and board was thinking.
For me, getting CF is more important than getting a RW now. Im not sure if we can get Haaland but that would be the best. Cavani will give you the experience and goals for sure but he won't score you that many goal needed to win a cup or league.
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Buying Haaland with the entire transfer budget would be a disaster for me, squad wise. Its like adding gold rims on a car which barely has an engine.

Inclined to write more but am out on mobile, so perhaps I'll elaborate later if details are needed.

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QUOTE(Azury36 @ Mar 21 2021, 07:01 AM)
watched City Everton, I confidently say United are now under the shadow of City.

The gab of quality is huge and United ie The Board failed to address the problems of United for 8 years

United lack of CDM after Carrick departure. Even Everton got Allan that can cover the defender.

Not only that Fernandinho/Rodri able to bring the ball forward and pass PROPERLY while our Mc Fred failed to pass the ball forward let alone defend properly. Need to have 2 CDMs to cover those 2 slow defenders

Can't blame Ole to put 2 CMDs when United doesn't have any proper CDM

What United need next summer at least 1 CDM, 1 CB and 1 RW.

Incompetent of The Board those positions won't fill but here come new young promising since Zoran Tošić
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saf last few years already our squad quality deteriorates a lot compared to earlier years with no similar replacement of quality. its just that saf manage to deliver with the limited support from the board...the 6-1 hammering by mcity that time already shows. just that ppl seems to forget that after saf get back the league...
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QUOTE(zhou.xingxing @ Mar 21 2021, 01:32 PM)
saf last few years already our squad quality deteriorates a lot compared to earlier years with no similar replacement of quality. its just that saf manage to deliver with the limited support from the board...the 6-1 hammering by mcity that time already shows. just that ppl seems to forget that after saf get back the league...
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Your example perfectly illustrates the hallmarks of a LEGENDARY manager.

He is ablt to take an average squad to the title.
Under any other manager, that squad finishes mid table. Moyes really inherited a poisoned chalice at the time.
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QUOTE(IpohGuyz @ Mar 20 2021, 11:14 PM)
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QUOTE(john_white @ Mar 21 2021, 12:27 PM)
they pay us so much money, i dont think they want to put their logo on the sleeves.
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Im just saying. For sure main shirt sponsor logo will be at front
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Mar 21 2021, 01:28 PM)
Buying Haaland with the entire transfer budget would be a disaster for me, squad wise. Its like adding gold rims on a car which barely has an engine.

Inclined to write more but am out on mobile, so perhaps I'll elaborate later if details are needed.
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Yeah that's why i said if possible
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I feel like keeping martial because he is about to hit the peak age of a striker. His best position is left wing and he is more skillful and has better finishing than rashford. Last season he did we as cf.this season disappointing tho but he plays best as LW
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QUOTE(Azury36 @ Mar 21 2021, 07:01 AM)
watched City Everton, I confidently say United are now under the shadow of City.

The gab of quality is huge and United ie The Board failed to address the problems of United for 8 years

United lack of CDM after Carrick departure. Even Everton got Allan that can cover the defender.

Not only that Fernandinho/Rodri able to bring the ball forward and pass PROPERLY while our Mc Fred failed to pass the ball forward let alone defend properly. Need to have 2 CDMs to cover those 2 slow defenders

Can't blame Ole to put 2 CMDs when United doesn't have any proper CDM

What United need next summer at least 1 CDM, 1 CB and 1 RW.

Incompetent of The Board those positions won't fill but here come new young promising since Zoran Tošić
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Yes, i dunno clubs are not going for ruben navas. He's very good, better than our current cdm
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I dun agree the transfer priority with some fans here, for me the top priority shud be CB. If the CB combination can improve, then we can stop relying on 2 CDM formation, and change to CDM + CM. The CM can do the job of bringing the ball forward. I believe James Garner proved he has the quality to fit the position. If Pogba not leaving, he also fit the position.

The 2nd shud be Striker, it is obvious. Can u believe our top scorer is an AM? It is ridiculous for me. Cavani has 70% possibility of leaving. And Martial is sucks and a must sell, can't rely on him. While Greenwood growth as striker has been hindered by OGS for keep developing him as RW. No matter how good Bruno is, he need a striker who can bang in the goal for chances created by him.

RW and CDM position improvement is needed, but it is not as urgent as CB and CF.

Just rmb one 1 thing, we dun have that much money to buy 4 positions. And some fans is still naive enough to keep saying we cannot sell Martial and De Gea, but keep asking to buy Haaland, Sancho, Rice, and a top CB.

Of cuz, if De Gea, Martial, Pogba, Lingard all leaving next summer, then we will have more money to buy all 4 positions.
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Ruben Neves for me would be a fine addition. And that position is the first position I want filled in the team.

In a time of False Nines, we are playing 2 Fake Sixes constantly.
And that may be because the defence is not good enough and kept leaking goals. Which meant the team could not build any runs of results. So the defensive unit constantly needed 2 parents to babysit in the form of Daddy Fred and Mommy McTominay who cannot leave their position. Some folks are saying the defence is playing well, but that is like saying someone cycles well but still has their training wheels.

First up, Fred.
There is much praise about Fred around him running around like the Energizer bunny. Running around a lot does not make you a good number 6. In fact, it points to a problem in either you positioning or your teammates not doing their duties. Think of the good sitting midfielders. The one that came to define the role, Claude Makelele. And our club's own Michael Carrick. They never needed to run around so much each game because they had bang on positioning to sense danger and be in the right place. Once they have the ball, they could pass it out quickly. Which Fred struggles to do. Positioning and passing.

Next up. McTominay.
I won't give McTominay too much stick because he is there to play in a position and do a job that does not match his skillset. He follows the instructions to the letter and does not leave. See thier games together, none of either McFred will venture beyond Bruno's position. Concern here is that he is not a natural number 6. He does not sense danger which means he is slow to close his man down at times. I can recall a couple of goals which McTominay did not close quickly enough.

Who do we have? The most natural CDM we have is Matic who has been good in past seasons but this season looks past the hill. Like Mata. Finished at top level.
So I don't blame OGS that much for constantly going with McFred. Defence needs bubble wraping for clean sheets. But all this has to end next season.


I hear Ruben Neves and I would mark that as an A if we get him.
Imagine a midfield trio of Neves-Pogba-Fernandes. Neves just has to feed Pogba or Fernandes quickly if no forward pass is available once he takes it off the defence. Transition window from receiving the ball to getting it to the feet of the forward, under 5 seconds. Before the defence sets. Like our 2008 setup.

Thats United midfield porn now.


So let's keep talking the transfers because we are all making sense.
The main two I want to see filled are CDM and CB. You sort the back and have the supply line upwards, our current forwards will look like much better players. If we get attackers instead of these 2 defensive positions, and they will continue to look as bad as our current crop after being starved of the ball.

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Lingardinho tongue.gif

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Arsenal make lingard looks like messi... Lolz
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Lingardinho power. Can't stop scoring. Lucky he can't face us lul
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QUOTE(alien2003 @ Mar 21 2021, 11:18 PM)
Lingardinho  tongue.gif

That just increase his price tag abit  laugh.gif
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1 goal and 1 assist

Tambah market value 5mil tongue.gif
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Telles.
VDB.
Fred without McTominay.

Wow. Did Ed kick Ole's door after the Milan game telling him he has to use the squad?
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Wah. Rotation in cup ah? Sudah la epl. Should all in fa cup i thought.

I am worried on vdb. He never play well slotting bruno spot. Best he played is slotting mctomato slot
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What a strange formation, everyone is not comfortable, just play back 4231 damn.
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Martial just refuse to run, doesnt he?
Blame x 3 is only what he will do.
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Fred lost so many balls today, every ball lead to goal scoring opportunity ....
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Fred lost so many balls today, every ball lead to goal scoring opportunity ....
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Fred is crazy today, just sub him off.
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What a stupid pass
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oh fuk off fred
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this is not the first time from fred
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I will be surprise if Fred still playing after half time.
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Fred losing balls and passes the whole game and been doing that a lot recently and still pass to him.
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Good team goal
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Greenwood! rclxms.gif

Fred owe him a big thank you tongue.gif

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Fred again !!!!!
OGS either need to slap his face, or just sub him off in half time

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So fucking terrible in possession ...
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Fred losing balls and passes the whole game and been doing that a lot recently and still pass to him.
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such a bullshit from simon stone
fred first touch and pass is horrible.
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this formation is not working I guess
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such a bullshit from simon stone
fred first touch and pass is horrible.
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fred bad 1st touch and passing but that leicester goal i blame maguire
3 opponent close each other but u give the ball to the player who cant turning.
bad decision from maguire, he should pass to wide players
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Time to bring the big gun.

Silakan sub si fredd ni.
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Fred lost the balls 7 times in first half.

Enough said. I don't care that goal is whose fault. Fred need to be off. Simple.
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Fred lost possession 7 times. Telles 13 times! Lol.

Maguire did a lousy pass but that doesn't warrant a noober pass from Fred.

Vdb freeze on counter again but redeemed himself with the fake dummy
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u know what...

CLUELESS SHIT COACHING

thats what its all about.. coaching is shit under ole

what the hell very slow pass from the back to front. why always want to start from maguire.. EVERY FUKING TIME
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Semi Final Draw

Leicester or Manchester United v Southampton
Chelsea v Manchester City


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just look at that.. they just cannot pass from the back but still doing the same shit
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Fred still on the pitch, that is exactly the OGS that I know.
No matter yellow card or how bad the player is, as long as not injured, no half time substitution.

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Although he lost the ball so many times.. i still give him props, he made himself available for teammates to pass to.. while some of his teammates just hiding, dont want the ball when under pressure
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Cavani warming up
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Is that Fred lose his man again? doh.gif
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QUOTE(alien2003 @ Mar 22 2021, 02:10 AM)
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It is fred
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whats the use of fred actually?


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Sub Fred aje la. Very poor today
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OGS .... just sub Fred off .... I beg u ....
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QUOTE(orga_laut @ Mar 22 2021, 02:11 AM)
whats the use of fred actually?
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What about matic too
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QUOTE(and85rew @ Mar 22 2021, 02:12 AM)
What about matic too
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Eh see replay macam is matic. Jogging aje see tieleman run forward pass him. Is fred take responsibility close him down but too far away
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80m defender got duped so easily lmao
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It will be international week next after this, and OGS is still not making any substitution. This is exactly what I dislike about him.
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what fred doing there again? kacau pogba ball ..wtf
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QUOTE(IpohGuyz @ Mar 22 2021, 02:15 AM)
Eh see replay macam is matic. Jogging aje see tieleman run forward pass him. Is fred take responsibility close him down but too far away
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Both of them sux...
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1st time OGS sub all in a while
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4 subs coming on....about damn time

Shaw, Cavani, Bruno, McTom ON

OFF Matic, Pogba, VDB, Telles
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4 sub all come at one go
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Fred is still on the pitch?! Damn OGS.
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I dun understand why VDB was subbed out ....
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QUOTE(tzxsean @ Mar 22 2021, 02:22 AM)
I dun understand why VDB was subbed out ....
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sub pogba and fred still on the pitch wtf
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I hope OGS, the coaches and the new DoF have seen enough in 65 mins what is needed for next season. A proper CDM and a quick DC, not Haaland.....!!!!!!

Oh...one more, get an experienced coach to take care of defensive trainings.

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QUOTE(tzxsean @ Mar 22 2021, 02:22 AM)
I dun understand why VDB was subbed out ....
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Direct sub wt fernandes

Pogba likely not fully fit

Its matic or fred.. But sub really should be made earlier for this one
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QUOTE(AuRevoir @ Mar 22 2021, 02:27 AM)
I hope OGS, the coaches and the new DoF have seen enough in 65 mins what is needed for next season. A proper CDM and a quick DC, not Haaland.....!!!!!!

Oh...one more, get an experienced coach to take care of defensive trainings.
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Jz witnessed fred breaking another one of our counter attack lol. God awful performance by Fred today. Worse than usual
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VdB deserved to stay on more than Fred
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Fred again ... Simply worst man of the match.
0 out of 10 for me.
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Game over
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Game over
New CB/RW/DM
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QUOTE(tzxsean @ Mar 22 2021, 02:35 AM)
VdB deserved to stay on more than Fred
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Dont think theres a formation we could use to play bruno and him tgt though.

Damn. Its a wasted quarters. We did not drew city or chelsie for semis but we just gave it away.
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Lousy. Pick such a game to do rotation zzzz
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Ish no equaliser, concede lagi
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Ok time to sleep.. I think team selection not good from start. Resting too much player. Matic fred should not start together
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I am sure Fred will get racist comment in Twitter, for sure.
But it is not about his race, it is about his performance.
Totally rubbish.
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Really sux. Sure got player play badly in important match. Leicester didn't even need do much to win the game
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terrible result.

bad team to start with, not sure what was the formation. all over the place, pressing without cohesion
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Fred is so useless. Can't block, defend, tackle. the opponent always run through him like he was not there.
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So left europa cup to fight for eh?
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fred and wan bissaka look tired as hell and brendan rodger exploit man utd weakness very well. we cant attack using set piece and we cant defend against set pieces, WTF man utd coaching doing?

and ole still clueless..

ole still need to get sack..

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QUOTE(IcyDarling @ Mar 22 2021, 02:36 AM)
Dont think theres a formation we could use to play bruno and him tgt though.

Damn. Its a wasted quarters. We did not drew city or chelsie for semis but we just gave it away.
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Dun c Martial contributing as well .. meh

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What a missed chance to go final
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If MU got k/o in europa QF
Just sack ole
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If MU got k/o in europa QF
Just sack ole
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no need, just sack ole right now bangwall.gif bangwall.gif
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If MU got k/o in europa QF
Just sack ole
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And sell non-performing players ...

Lingard atm plays much better than Martial

So it’s clear who deserved more chances
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so explain this..

trailing 1-2 and need a goal

sub pogba off
sub vdb off
...sub bruno in

WHY??
WHY CANT THEY PLAY TOGETHER TO GET A GOAL YOU DUMBASS OLE SHIT CLUELESS SHIT
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QUOTE(john_white @ Mar 22 2021, 02:53 AM)
no need, just sack ole right now  bangwall.gif  bangwall.gif
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Pathetic football tactics

QUOTE(tzxsean @ Mar 22 2021, 02:53 AM)
And sell non-performing players ...

Lingard atm plays much better than Martial

So it’s clear who deserved more chances
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Good luck with martial
Some said one of the glazers really believed martial..

Hoe long have it been
No proper gameplay/control
All is just counter attack
Come on ole you can do better than this
If not, just walk away
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Wrong formation from the start, keep using Martial even no form, not sub out Fred even he is rubbish today, no improvement in defending set piece. No tactical plan against bus parking team, stubborn in using preferred players.

And some delusional fans still dare asking other fans to support OGS.
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united could end up with ancelotti, tuchel or pochettino but they stuck with this clueless manager.
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QUOTE(yujirorasy @ Mar 22 2021, 02:57 AM)
united could end up with ancelotti, tuchel or pochettino but they stuck with this clueless manager.
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#feelgoodfactor important yo


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whole starting 11 play badly except greenwood. even henderson didn't pull any magnificent saves. maguire back to his very fridge.
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Leicester clearly a better side, they are well drilled, well coached and better prepared..
They know United strengths and they work their way to stop it.. they know United weaknesses and they took advantage of it..

United just play the same.. different players, but still play the same..
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Tonight is simply Fred's worst match of his life.
Sometimes it happen, it is manager responsibility to see it and make sub. But OGS let him play for more than 80 mins.

Pathetic.
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What is even OGS’s game plan or tactics?

Can’t really picture it ..
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Just noticed that United next game is in two weeks time.. why now suddenly want to rest players?

Just crazy this Ole
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QUOTE(silvertoes @ Mar 22 2021, 03:23 AM)
Just noticed that United next game is in two weeks time.. why now suddenly want to rest players?

Just crazy this Ole
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City still in facup. He prefer not waste time maybe.
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haha not surprising if we ever gonna win the cup again in 2020s

now is retain 2nd in all time list since we will never overcome arsenal numbers laugh.gif rclxub.gif
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With 2 CDM United can't create many chances

and with 2 slowpoke defenders Maguire and Lindelof, United cannot play high press

This is why keep repeating need at least 1 CB(Fast pace CB), 1 PROPER CDM

Next season if no changes, bye2 no top 4(at least)





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After writing a long-ish post yesterday on why a CDM is needed and why Fred isn't good enough, the match last night is showcase enough for those who think an attacker is higher priority than a CDM.
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the way we played, deserved to lose thoroughly. Then it follows logic that we have been playing this way (except against MC) for the last 10-12 matches. I can't remember much except we as usual will be slugging the ball in the midfield, then to the right with AWB and doing nothing, or to the left with Shaw who will try something, and once or twice in a match we will attempt a shot.

Usually our defence is much better than this but today we were sloppy as shit.

So, it also follows logic that Ole needs to be sacked for such a lousy end to the season.
Tell me, what have you since the beginning of the year that gets you excited?

I can say every match is the same, struggle to score, and just trying to reduce errors at the back.
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Terrible 1st half, our back 4 and 2 DM gave numerous ball away to opponents for fun. Fred seem tired and weak. I always believe he better player without a ball on his feet.

At half time, I was glad to see the SF draw. Shame we didn't go through.

TBH, I agreed OGS decision to shuffle the packs. Just probably to many rusty players started. Basically, I blame the manager and the players equally.

International break comes at the right moment.

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QUOTE(silvertoes @ Mar 22 2021, 03:23 AM)
Just noticed that United next game is in two weeks time.. why now suddenly want to rest players?

Just crazy this Ole
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Exactly! should have played first team from the beginning. Why Martial is still playing is beyond me. damn lazy french idiot! If we had won, we would have Southampton, good chance for a final.. and they blew it off.. mad.gif mad.gif mad.gif
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Man utd under Ole, no luck no individual brilliant = no win
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Guys, we've been foreshadowing this for weeks. And not it comes to roost.
I'm not going to write about the CB partnership because that has been done in Nov/Dec last year and now the mainstream media is all over it.

We have a problem at CDM and we do not have the players to do it. There.
Who is Ole going to pick? Fred. McTominay. Matic. They are all not good enough. There is not much blame I can pin on Ole here.

Been saying Fred's distribution is not good enough for top level. That's the first goal.
Been saying Fred's positioning is not good enough and Matic is way past it. Tielemans basically dribbled the ball between both our CDMs into the box from midfield. That's the second goal.
McTominay was on the far post for the third but Dean should have done better.

We cannot build attacks because our CDMs cannot build play. That deficiency is obvious here.
Soon the mainstream media will be dedicating articles on our CDM problems and I can probably stop writing about them. Earlier posts on our CDM situation below for reference, I think they aged well.

Post 1 on CDM :
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Post 2 on CDM.
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Fred is not a DM. Never has been, Never will be.
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Cannot brain on the rotation when next game is 2 weeks away. Like the pundit say, fringe player need to take chance when they given chance. Play like this how to give chance. Can't solely blame rustiness.

Ole is a fault picking the team and players disappoint him. 70% on ole in this one. The team much better after the sub but a little too late.

Ole macam trying do saf, give fringe players on cup run. We desperately need a trophy. Everyone can see it except him maybe lol.

I am more patients, willing to call his head by end of next season if still no trophy. There's clearly progress this season. I don't want hire wrongly and team become spurs or arsenal which is at a worse state. Heck even pool is worse than us this season unless they win ucl. Don't say tuchel. Chelsea has extraordinary record of getting managers and deliver instantly. Except Lampard maybe
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I think fred good enough but this probably his worst play.. It work many time before wt him and mctominay.. City, hammers, milan game. Matic the one seem no longer relevant. Starting them both is worst. This all on manager

United not start wt best possible lineup.. Not making changes earlier half time. Then panic make 4 sub altogether. This on ole too
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QUOTE(IpohGuyz @ Mar 22 2021, 10:10 AM)
Cannot brain on the rotation when next game is 2 weeks away. Like the pundit say, fringe player need to take chance when they given chance. Play like this how to give chance. Can't solely blame rustiness.

Ole is a fault picking the team and players disappoint him. 70% on ole in this one. The team much better after the sub but a little too late.

Ole macam trying do saf, give fringe players on cup run. We desperately need a trophy. Everyone can see it except him maybe lol.

I am more patients, willing to call his head by end of next season if still no trophy. There's clearly progress this season. I don't want hire wrongly and team become spurs or arsenal which is at a worse state. Heck even pool is worse than us this season unless they win ucl. Don't say tuchel. Chelsea has extraordinary record of getting managers and deliver instantly. Except Lampard maybe
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he is really looking desperate to copy saf. fielding all the 2nd team that are not matchfit to the only chance the team can get a cup this season. what was that?

progress in terms of league position maybe, but style of play? dono what im seeing after 1 and half season
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QUOTE(zhou.xingxing @ Mar 22 2021, 10:17 AM)
he is really looking desperate to copy saf. fielding all the 2nd team that are not matchfit to the only chance the team can get a cup this season. what was that?

progress in terms of league position maybe, but style of play? dono what im seeing after 1 and half season
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Individual brilliance lol. Saf also depend on that, but his team has 11 individual brilliance. I can't remember saf team got do a weak pass like Fred lol. And not first time Fred doing it.

Actually I dunno what positive style of play available in market and can deliver trophy.

Gengen press - klopp
Run too much, walk aje - pep
Park bus - jm. Sorry to say to ex manager, his tactic is not working anymore. Spurs in disaster state, Kane looks like leaving.
Boring fest - lvg
Gung ho play - biesla
Sarriball - win but ppl say boring. Didn't really watch his game
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Even if Ole stuck with the same lineup, we would still have lost. Let's not lose the fact that Fred cost us the first goal and McTominay the third. This is McFred, the first choice midfield pairing. How Fred lasted until 84 minutes is beyond me. Leicester could have won that by 5 goals exploiting our slow CBs. It was only a matter of time before people figured out how to exploit our CDMs and slow CBs. Leicester did that today.

Ole needs to get stick for the subs when we were chasing the game. We took both our forward thinking midfielders off (Pogba & VDB), then stick Bruno in there with McFred again behind him. What's poor Bruno gonna do. You'd think we were 1-0 up.


Now here is food for thought.
We all know how limited our CDMs passing is. If so, why do United insist on playing out from the back? brows.gif

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I can understand why Fred playing. When mctom in, Fred return to old self. Matic is the problem. 2nd goal his fault more than Fred even though final moments saw Fred chasing.

And obviously we don't have better players replace him. Not sure on vdb. If he is solely on no10 spot, then he gg la. Won't have chance play
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Mar 22 2021, 08:52 AM)
Been saying Fred's positioning is not good enough and Matic is way past it. Tielemans basically dribbled the ball between both our CDMs into the box from midfield. That's the second goal.
agree. fred cant block people from running. they always brushed him aside like a little kid.

QUOTE(statikinetic @ Mar 22 2021, 07:56 AM)
After writing a long-ish post yesterday on why a CDM is needed and why Fred isn't good enough, the match last night is showcase enough for those who think an attacker is higher priority than a CDM.
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QUOTE(zhou.xingxing @ Mar 22 2021, 10:17 AM)
he is really looking desperate to copy saf. fielding all the 2nd team that are not matchfit to the only chance the team can get a cup this season. what was that?

progress in terms of league position maybe, but style of play? dono what im seeing after 1 and half season
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Pass and shoot style. Defend is press and kick the ball out. Pass out from the back, disaster for many times already.. sigh

That's why I was surprised why we signed VDB when we need a cdm or right wing.
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QUOTE(bansai @ Mar 22 2021, 08:58 AM)
Fred is not a DM. Never has been, Never will be.
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then..as what? his passing also lousy...
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...-Leicester.html

as someone predicted last night
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QUOTE(yujirorasy @ Mar 22 2021, 11:21 AM)
agree. fred cant block people from running. they always brushed him aside like a little kid.
people here make fun of me when i bashed Fred for being not good enough for united few months ago.
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Fred is alright with his form and contribution but definitely not good enough in current system and long term. I still recalled ppl calling carrick is shit for man utd until his late 30s where ppl call him England's pirlo

Also, how many teams played with a number 10 especially when you want to pass out from the back?

Signing sancho and Haaland, won't fix the problem. Look at dortmund.. leaking goals and can't win matches.
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Should report them on respective socmed and get them banned permanently via the ip address/contact number. Say no to racism
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QUOTE(IpohGuyz @ Mar 22 2021, 10:10 AM)
Cannot brain on the rotation when next game is 2 weeks away. Like the pundit say, fringe player need to take chance when they given chance. Play like this how to give chance. Can't solely blame rustiness.

Ole is a fault picking the team and players disappoint him. 70% on ole in this one. The team much better after the sub but a little too late.

Ole macam trying do saf, give fringe players on cup run. We desperately need a trophy. Everyone can see it except him maybe lol.

I am more patients, willing to call his head by end of next season if still no trophy. There's clearly progress this season. I don't want hire wrongly and team become spurs or arsenal which is at a worse state. Heck even pool is worse than us this season unless they win ucl. Don't say tuchel. Chelsea has extraordinary record of getting managers and deliver instantly. Except Lampard maybe
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Fringe player need to take chance when they given chance, correct but not like this.
Long time no play, then out of sudden play together.
U also long time no play, me also long time no play.
Suddenly play together, how to perform well?

Martial not on form for so long time, keep use.
VDB on the bench for so long time, x kasi chance at all.
Until he injured, then back from injured, then only play him. Some more play together with other players who all just back from injuries. And OGS actually really hope they can perform? Some more in a strange formation. Some more playing with Martial. Wtf is that.

AWB play for how long already? Tbh, he is not even on par this season.
Shud have give more chance to William or even Tuanzebe.
But no, stupid OGS just keep playing AWB.
2~3 months only got chance to play 10 mins. Wtf is that.

Same applied to Telles, keep using Rashford on bus-parking team.
Has he even thought of playing Telles as Left Wing as something new?
No, he keep doing the same thing and expect for different result.

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QUOTE(sonicbull @ Mar 22 2021, 11:35 AM)
Fred is alright with his form and contribution but definitely not good enough in current system and long term. I still recalled ppl calling carrick is shit for man utd until his late 30s where ppl call him England's pirlo

Also, how many teams played with a number 10 especially when you want to pass out from the back?

Signing sancho and Haaland, won't fix the problem. Look at dortmund.. leaking goals and can't win matches.
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'alright' ? i expect someone with more caliber to play for United. back then he cant pass properly and nowadays cant even block 1 guy. he is just getting worse.
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United been playing poorly since after against City.. positive results masked the poor performance well.. the sign were there, Milan were dominating all the way right until Pogba scored..
Rodgers and Leicester did their homework and it shows.. they played somewhat similar to Milan, only press when needed to, press harder only on some of United players like Fred, AWB, Mason, Pogba..

Ole clearly looked down on Leicester with his team selection and no clear gameplan.. and United got beat comprehensively
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QUOTE(silvertoes @ Mar 22 2021, 12:45 PM)
United been playing poorly since after against City.. positive results masked the poor performance well.. the sign were there, Milan were dominating all the way right until Pogba scored..
Rodgers and Leicester did their homework and it shows.. they played somewhat similar to Milan, only press when needed to, press harder only on some of United players like Fred, AWB, Mason, Pogba..

Ole clearly looked down on Leicester with his team selection and no clear gameplan.. and United got beat comprehensively
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actually we played poor before city. it was a few runs of winless games/las min concede as well, sheffield, everton, arsenal, chelsea, palace.. we won vs city because they conceded a stupid early penalty at 1min or 2min mark.

Ole didnt look down at Leice.. he just doesnt have the game plan.. backpassing around when you have a speedster vardy lurking around... not a good idea. surprised he missed that shot though
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We can only play counter attack lol
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QUOTE(sonicbull @ Mar 22 2021, 11:35 AM)
Fred is alright with his form and contribution but definitely not good enough in current system and long term. I still recalled ppl calling carrick is shit for man utd until his late 30s where ppl call him England's pirlo

Also, how many teams played with a number 10 especially when you want to pass out from the back?

Signing sancho and Haaland, won't fix the problem. Look at dortmund.. leaking goals and can't win matches.
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'alright' ? i expect someone with more caliber to play for United. back then he cant pass properly and nowadays cant even block 1 guy. he is just getting worse.
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On the question if Fred is good enough for United, the answer differs because it is up to the individual's view of the United standard.

If United are a top half club in the Premiership and an Europa League side, then yes Fred is good enough.
If United are title contenders and a Champions League side, then no Fred is not good enough. Fred will not even make the bench at Europe's big clubs.

So back to the question if Fred is good enough for United, I leave it to the fans to decide what their individual standards are for their club.


Fans going "We need to buy Haaland and Sancho!"

On Haaland and Sancho, I agree that it will not help. But we also need to realize that we have casual fans who think buying world class players attackers solve our attacking issues. The attack is a symptom of a larger supply problem that is in CDM. It's common and there are many historical precedents.

The Real Madrid Galactico side of the early 2000s was legendary. They had swept all before them and won the 2003 CL with Zidane's magnificent volley goal.
Their Chairman Florentino Perez had a Galatico transfer policy, he would buy a world class attacker every summer and that would be key to Real Madrid's success. Post the 2003 triumph, Perez infamously sold a player to Chelsea for 16.8M and bought David Beckham from Manchester United. In his words, it was good money for a player who cannot shoot, dribble, head the ball or pass more than 3 meters. That player was Claude Makelele.

This was the beginning of the end of the Galactico era. Zidane remarked "What is the use of adding another layer of gold paint on the car when you are losing the entire engine?". But the deal was done. And if the most legendary of players in Zidane, Figo, et al cannot play at their best without an engine behind them; you bet Bruno, Rashford and Martial will struggle too. Our attackers look bad because of a supply & support issue. Not that they themselves are bad. Get a world class CDM engine behind them and chances are they will look like entirely new players. Judge our attackers then. Not before.

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then..as what? his passing also lousy...
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he is a b2b and his main attributes are his passing, dribbling and tracking back. Making himself open. At united he has been played out of his favored or strong position like many of his peers. His passing rate is still good. Instead of adapting to the players strength, players are asked to fit into a certain style.
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We can only play counter attack lol
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Sad but true... City was so attacking with high line always, that's why we can exploit the space behind defence for counter attack

Fred would thrive under pep and klopp. Eg. Tuchel played his captain, azci in every match coz he's the leader and look at the lack of goals chelsea conceded.

This is the limit of current man utd squad, need reinforcement to improve the squad since 8 years ago. Also, other squads like leicester, west Ham and everton have improved with upgrade in manager and players.

Go youtube check conte interview with sky. PL is tough
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90+m worth of signing
But all 3 mostly bench warmers
VDB Telles Diallo
And now OGS complain fatique. When he rarely sub/rotate
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90+m worth of signing
But all 3 mostly bench warmers
VDB Telles Diallo
And now OGS complain fatique. When he rarely sub/rotate
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yeah i think it's kinda disrespect leicester with so many changes vs them. as if we got chance with that players. if maguire is a rock as last 2 games then no problem. 1st and 3rd goal won't happen.

kesian good form only last for 2-3 games lol.
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what is MU DNA really?
counter attacking football?

build the play from the back is not MU DNA

is this MU DNA?
https://www.goal.com/en/news/what-is-manche...um1l6ecuxh6s6ug

..sounds like b******t to me

theres an interview about LvG here .
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/j...ctics-solskjaer

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this guy even with his S**T side-way-pass tactics he won an FA cup. OLE? rebuilding? progress? oh ole just get the F out . u are the embarrassment of the club now

#OleOut

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I know there is a lot of anger towards Ole so allow me to play devil's advocate here. Reality : Ole is probably going to get a new contract and will be our manager next season. We are 2nd in the League.
The quickest OleOut-ers will get their wish is probably second half of next season. So if we are being positive, what is the most positive case we can make for Ole now? Just play along and imagine with me.

Ole knows there are major issues with that defence and he did not get a CB. In fact, let's say he got none of the signings he wanted last summer.
That defence leaks goals like no other, and no defensive combination works. Even if United score one, the defence will leak two.

Short term fix : Ole picks the 2 strongest defenders he thinks he has (Maguire - Lindelof), devises a back 6 formation with a double pivot in front of it.

This introduces a new problem. Both these defenders are slow and the first few tries see strikers getting in behind them.

Short term fix 2 : Play a deeper line with the fullbacks tucking in. Reduce the gap between CBs and CDMs to prevent play between the lines to thread through balls.

Next problem now. United's only proper CDM is Matic. The best midfield partnership when Bruno arrived was Bruno-Pogba-Matic, but Father Time has not been kind to Matic this year and a half and he has obviously joined Mata in the too old/slow for PL club. If he fields creative players in the pivot, these players will pass and move which leaves the defence momentarily without shielding.

Short term fix 3 : Find your 2 most athletic players who will follow orders to the letter, and instruct them to just sit 5 meters in front of the defence. McFred. Both aren't CDMs, but there they are. Even a French World Cup winner and a Dutch CL semi finalist midfielder cannot break up their partnership.

United now have defensive stability to build on, but the attack goes sterile in possession. You commit support to the attack, you lose the defensive pivot during those moments.

Short term fix 4 : Play counter attacks. When chasing a game, rely on individual brilliance to get a result. Sometimes it works and we nicked a few games by one goal, sometimes it doesn't.


Looks familiar now? In a best case scenario, Ole is just trying to get United over the line in 2nd place, or at least a CL spot. If we say the League ends today, Ole will bite your hand off and take it.
He knows this is as far as this squad will go. So we can win the rest of the games 1-0 or take 0-0 draws, I just want us as a club to finish well right now. Damn how we play these 2 months. Just get that CL spot so we can attract some talent.

Which is what United do in this transfer window is massive and will determine our future. Could dedicate an entire post just to this.
If Woodward & Judge fail again, Ole will be sacked next season. If Ole is genuinely happy to continue playing McFred into next season, he'll sack himself doing it.


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A proper cdm is a must now, but we currently has so many midfielders.
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Mar 22 2021, 10:54 PM)
I know there is a lot of anger towards Ole so allow me to play devil's advocate here. Reality : Ole is probably going to get a new contract and will be our manager next season. We are 2nd in the League.
The quickest OleOut-ers will get their wish is probably second half of next season. So if we are being positive, what is the most positive case we can make for Ole now? Just play along and imagine with me.

Ole knows there are major issues with that defence and he did not get a CB. In fact, let's say he got none of the signings he wanted last summer.
That defence leaks goals like no other, and no defensive combination works. Even if United score one, the defence will leak two.

Short term fix : Ole picks the 2 strongest defenders he thinks he has (Maguire - Lindelof), devises a back 6 formation with a double pivot in front of it.

This introduces a new problem. Both these defenders are slow and the first few tries see strikers getting in behind them.

Short term fix 2 : Play a deeper line with the fullbacks tucking in. Reduce the gap between CBs and CDMs to prevent play between the lines to thread through balls.

Next problem now. United's only proper CDM is Matic. The best midfield partnership when Bruno arrived was Bruno-Pogba-Matic, but Father Time has not been kind to Matic this year and a half and he has obviously joined Mata in the too old/slow for PL club. If he fields creative players in the pivot, these players will pass and move which leaves the defence momentarily without shielding.

Short term fix 3 : Find your 2 most athletic players who will follow orders to the letter, and instruct them to just sit 5 meters in front of the defence. McFred. Both aren't CDMs, but there they are. Even a French World Cup winner and a Dutch CL semi finalist midfielder cannot break up their partnership.

United now have defensive stability to build on, but the attack goes sterile in possession. You commit support to the attack, you lose the defensive pivot during those moments.

Short term fix 4 : Play counter attacks. When chasing a game, rely on individual brilliance to get a result. Sometimes it works and we nicked a few games by one goal, sometimes it doesn't.
Looks familiar now? In a best case scenario, Ole is just trying to get United over the line in 2nd place, or at least a CL spot. If we say the League ends today, Ole will bite your hand off and take it.
He knows this is as far as this squad will go. So we can win the rest of the games 1-0 or take 0-0 draws, I just want us as a club to finish well right now. Damn how we play these 2 months. Just get that CL spot so we can attract some talent.

Which is what United do in this transfer window is massive and will determine our future. Could dedicate an entire post just to this.
If Woodward & Judge fail again, Ole will be sacked next season. If Ole is genuinely happy to continue playing McFred into next season, he'll sack himself doing it.
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How do you view VDB on pitch performance for 60mins?
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I thought he looked like a good player short on match sharpness due to his long absence from the starting lineup. And he was still one of our better midfielders on the night.

Donny I felt didn't get enough of the ball. But that is a problem whoever plays in an advanced position for United will face.
Stylistically, Donny fits into a fluid passing team with lots of movement and the base of our midfield just is not fluid enough. He did not do much wrong and I would have liked to keep him on the pitch. Subbing both Donny and Pogba off to accomodate Bruno, McTominay (!) and Cavani (another striker) was surprising because it was not like we were creating loads of chances that we were not finishing. Donny I feel plays well with players operating at a faster speed of thought like Bruno and would have helped us chase the game. We sorely missed his movement. After the subs, Bruno didn't even get the ball enough to influence the game. How many chances did Martial get after the subs? How many did Greenwood and Cavani get? It's not FIFA where we throw more strikers on and suddenly you get more shots on goal.

Donny is not the same category of player as Bruno. Bruno is a creator with the ball. Donny fashions chances via his movement instead of with the ball due to his Ajax background. Creating little triangles.
Bruno I feel will benefit most from having Donny around him as it allows him to play quick pass and move patterns to disorganize the defence to pick the lock. Unfortunately, they only usually see each other when one of coming off for the other to come in.

People talk about the goal from Greenwood and the assist from Pogba.
That goal was all Donny Van De Beek. That dummy run was glorious and is football intelligence that is hard to teach. The pass from Pogba was nothing special, normally Leicester would have closed it down. But that dummy from VDB totally sold it to the entire Leicester defence and allowed Greenwood an open shot from the penalty spot.

I would say I'd rate VDB as a 6/10 for that game. And VDB is consistent enough that he normally scores anywhere between a 5 to an 8 for me so he definitely has the quality to be a United player.
He's a little under appreciated in what he does like Herrera before.
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Mar 23 2021, 10:12 AM)
I thought he looked like a good player short on match sharpness due to his long absence from the starting lineup. And he was still one of our better midfielders on the night.

Donny I felt didn't get enough of the ball. But that is a problem whoever plays in an advanced position for United will face.
Stylistically, Donny fits into a fluid passing team with lots of movement and the base of our midfield just is not fluid enough. He did not do much wrong and I would have liked to keep him on the pitch. Subbing both Donny and Pogba off to accomodate Bruno, McTominay (!) and Cavani (another striker) was surprising because it was not like we were creating loads of chances that we were not finishing. Donny I feel plays well with players operating at a faster speed of thought like Bruno and would have helped us chase the game. We sorely missed his movement. After the subs, Bruno didn't even get the ball enough to influence the game. How many chances did Martial get after the subs? How many did Greenwood and Cavani get? It's not FIFA where we throw more strikers on and suddenly you get more shots on goal.

Donny is not the same category of player as Bruno. Bruno is a creator with the ball. Donny fashions chances via his movement instead of with the ball due to his Ajax background. Creating little triangles.
Bruno I feel will benefit most from having Donny around him as it allows him to play quick pass and move patterns to disorganize the defence to pick the lock. Unfortunately, they only usually see each other when one of coming off for the other to come in.

People talk about the goal from Greenwood and the assist from Pogba.
That goal was all Donny Van De Beek. That dummy run was glorious and is football intelligence that is hard to teach. The pass from Pogba was nothing special, normally Leicester would have closed it down. But that dummy from VDB totally sold it to the entire Leicester defence and allowed Greenwood an open shot from the penalty spot.

I would say I'd rate VDB as a 6/10 for that game. And VDB is consistent enough that he normally scores anywhere between a 5 to an 8 for me so he definitely has the quality to be a United player.
He's a little under appreciated in what he does like Herrera before.
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From the match i quite often see him running as a striker when Martial and Greenwood position is lower than him, if u are no.10, u should drop back a bit and try to link between midfield and striker, not running like this.

When the team is building play at middle of pitch, u should drop back a bit and create a space where player can pass to u and do fast pass to LB/RB or striker. No doubt he is good in awareness but his positioning is quite awful.

Watch the replay, many backward pass, 0 key pass, the forward pass to Martial when running 0:10 but he end up back pass, this is not a no.10 we want, i think Lingard can do better than him.


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Fred racially abused is so bad.He deserves criticm BT not discrimination.This is competitive football not world. Win or lose we must still respect eachother



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back to back poor performance.. just got battered, yet still can smile and have a lil laugh?
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Mar 23 2021, 10:52 AM)
From the match i quite often see him running as a striker when Martial and Greenwood position is lower than him, if u are no.10, u should drop back a bit and try to link between midfield and striker, not running like this.

When the team is building play at middle of pitch, u should drop back a bit and create a space where player can pass to u and do fast pass to LB/RB or striker. No doubt he is good in awareness but his positioning is quite awful.

Watch the replay, many backward pass, 0 key pass, the forward pass to Martial when running 0:10 but he end up back pass, this is not a no.10 we want, i think Lingard can do better than him.


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I watched the clip. There is an inherent risk in viewing clips as it removes the context from the situation but let's go by what we have.
I don't think VDB did much wrong the entire clip. From 0:07 to 0:20 we see more back passes because there is nothing in front of him. Even the 0:10 pass to Matic instead of Martial, contextually I did not think it was a mistake. Martial wasn't through on goal, he was in our own half with the Leicester defence still covering. That pass would have Martial alone up front and pinned between the Leicester defence line and the midfield running back. Of course, Martial could have dribbled through the defence and scored but we will never know for sure.

0:20 onwards I felt was a fairer reflection because there were options in advanced positions and he picked the passes there.

Ultimately, I do not think measuring Donny as a number 10 is fair just because Ole plays him there.
VDB is not an on the ball creator like Fernandes. And if we start measuring players in unnatural positions, then Fred had the worse performance at CDM (I understand he is not a natural CDM). Matic had a bad game in his natural position.

I think your question on VDB is less on his match performance agaisnt Leicester and more of if he has the quality to be a Manchester United player.
In this respect, do you think he has the quality to be a long term Manchester United player?
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Mar 23 2021, 11:09 AM)
I watched the clip. There is an inherent risk in viewing clips as it removes the context from the situation but let's go by what we have.
I don't think VDB did much wrong the entire clip. From 0:07 to 0:20 we see more back passes because there is nothing in front of him. Even the 0:10 pass to Matic instead of Martial, contextually I did not think it was a mistake. Martial wasn't through on goal, he was in our own half with the Leicester defence still covering. That pass would have Martial alone up front and pinned between the Leicester defence line and the midfield running back. Of course, Martial could have dribbled through the defence and scored but we will never know for sure.

0:20 onwards I felt was a fairer reflection because there were options in advanced positions and he picked the passes there.

Ultimately, I do not think measuring Donny as a number 10 is fair just because Ole plays him there.
VDB is not an on the ball creator like Fernandes. And if we start measuring players in unnatural positions, then Fred had the worse performance at CDM (I understand he is not a natural CDM). Matic had a bad game in his natural position.

I think your question on VDB is less on his match performance agaisnt Leicester and more of if he has the quality to be a Manchester United player.
In this respect, do you think he has the quality to be a long term Manchester United player?
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He has to change his playstyle to suit Ole game plan, if not i don't see him having future here. Quite often i criticize on his positioning and running like a headless chicken into the box leaving a gap at midfield.

I feel Mctom able to do that better than VDB if he able to obtain greenlight from Ole, which i understand why Ole start him on crucial match at double pivot.

On the other hand, Matic seem has past his prime and not able to keep the pace of premier league, suffer the same fate like Mata.
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please offer VDB to barca, city or any other teams that play fluid football, then we can see how good this boy off ball movement. as I remember, we have kagawa that I think similar with VDB.
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Mar 23 2021, 11:14 AM)
He has to change his playstyle to suit Ole game plan, if not i don't see him having future here. Quite often i criticize on his positioning and running like a headless chicken into the box leaving a gap at midfield.

I feel Mctom able to do that better than VDB if he able to obtain greenlight from Ole, which i understand why Ole start him on crucial match at double pivot.

On the other hand, Matic seem has past his prime and not able to keep the pace of premier league, suffer the same fate like Mata.
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There are two things there that I can agree. First would be Matic is past it.
Secondly, I agree that VDB play style of one touch passing and movement is entirely unsuitable with our current game plan which is low tempo when in possession. I think it was after the Palace game that both Ole and Maguire said that they wanted a higher tempo but couldn't. I immediately looked at McFred because they were the ones in a position to dictate the tempo.

Next question here is, should United play at a higher tempo next season?
I think we should. And that would mean VDB has a future with us.


Have some transfer thoughts that I'd like to kick about.
Someone mentioned Neves a few pages back and thought that would be an interesting option.

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take this as a pinch of salt. having a moaning jose when losing doesn't give any good thing either. he suka smile he smile la haha. backroom rage on the team can liao.

i feel vdb style doesn't match our playing style, thats why he rarely been used. our style is quick counter, direct pass to top when got chance. vdb chance is pass move pass move. when he not in same frequency with the team, how to play together.

there's actually few instance at least 3-4 times, when we can counter and vdb just pick the ball, think 1 sec, then backpass. When all his teammates already rush forward. That's what i observe during last match with leicester live. That video on martial is one of the example. maybe that's the reason teammate also dunwan pass to him.

he doesn't seem able change in training maybe, that's why rarely used. ole is not going to build around him like he build around jogba. either he change or will be hard. this is my wild guess based on observation though.

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Mar 23 2021, 11:35 AM)
There are two things there that I can agree. First would be Matic is past it.
Secondly, I agree that VDB play style of one touch passing and movement is entirely unsuitable with our current game plan which is low tempo when in possession. I think it was after the Palace game that both Ole and Maguire said that they wanted a higher tempo but couldn't. I immediately looked at McFred because they were the ones in a position to dictate the tempo.

Next question here is, should United play at a higher tempo next season?
I think we should. And that would mean VDB has a future with us.
Have some transfer thoughts that I'd like to kick about.
Someone mentioned Neves a few pages back and thought that would be an interesting option.
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The way United play is stagnant in the mid area, long pass and counter attack.

Pass and move tactic is suited with Bruno but without any proper teammate and hoping Bruno to do magical week in week out is insane

With proper training, Bruno/VDB or Bruno/Pogba can play together with a high press but we need proper CDM that know how to defend alone

Ole need to change his style of play and adapt. But he is stubborn if the result against him this season, sayonara Ole in May

United this season is lucky when many big clubs drop points and underperforming

Next season GG United if keeping playing this kind of Mourinho style.

It all depends on Glazer, Woods and Co if they willing to buy 1CB(Pacey, aggressive and great on defending), 1CDM(proper and established) then it is good enough for United






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take this as a pinch of salt. having a moaning jose when losing doesn't give any good thing either. he suka smile he smile la haha. backroom rage on the team can liao.

i feel vdb style doesn't match our playing style, thats why he rarely been used. our style is quick counter, direct pass to top when got chance. vdb chance is pass move pass move. when he not in same frequency with the team, how to play together.

there's actually few instance at least 3-4 times, when we can counter and vdb just pick the ball, think 1 sec, then backpass. When all his teammates already rush forward. That's what i observe during last match with leicester live. That video on martial is one of the example. maybe that's the reason teammate also dunwan pass to him.

he doesn't seem able change in training maybe, that's why rarely used. ole is not going to build around him like he build around jogba. either he change or will be hard. this is my wild guess based on observation though.
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This is the reason why VDB rarely use, even Mctom and Fred has higher frequency of passing the ball forward than VDB. If Greenwood has improve his game by placing on right wing and why VDB can't change his playstyle to accommodate the team strategy.
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QUOTE(Azury36 @ Mar 23 2021, 04:09 PM)
The way United play is stagnant in the mid area, long pass and counter attack.

Pass and move tactic is suited with Bruno but without any proper teammate and hoping Bruno to do magical week in week out is insane

With proper training, Bruno/VDB or Bruno/Pogba can play together with a high press but we need proper CDM that know how to defend alone

Ole need to change his style of play and adapt. But he is stubborn if the result against him this season, sayonara Ole in May

United this season is lucky when many big clubs drop points and underperforming

Next season GG United if keeping playing this kind of Mourinho style.

It all depends on Glazer, Woods and Co if they willing to buy 1CB(Pacey, aggressive and great on defending), 1CDM(proper and established) then it is good enough for United
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The opponent has know our playstyle and tend not to press high, but putting pressure on midfield to cut off the supply to McFred and Bruno, that's why most of the time the opponent let Maguire/Lindelof has the ball possession and tend not to challenge them all the time.

On the Leeds game, Bielsa insist using his tactic and backfire with Ole gameplay of fast passing game.

By countering it, OGS has train Shaw and AWB to attack forward and create more space for midfield, or option to pass sideway and let the ball move forward. Like it or not we don't have a good CDM to do the job alone, OGS is using the man he has and twist the strategy a bit.
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I watched the clip. There is an inherent risk in viewing clips as it removes the context from the situation but let's go by what we have.
I don't think VDB did much wrong the entire clip. From 0:07 to 0:20 we see more back passes because there is nothing in front of him. Even the 0:10 pass to Matic instead of Martial, contextually I did not think it was a mistake. Martial wasn't through on goal, he was in our own half with the Leicester defence still covering. That pass would have Martial alone up front and pinned between the Leicester defence line and the midfield running back. Of course, Martial could have dribbled through the defence and scored but we will never know for sure.

0:20 onwards I felt was a fairer reflection because there were options in advanced positions and he picked the passes there.

Ultimately, I do not think measuring Donny as a number 10 is fair just because Ole plays him there.
VDB is not an on the ball creator like Fernandes. And if we start measuring players in unnatural positions, then Fred had the worse performance at CDM (I understand he is not a natural CDM). Matic had a bad game in his natural position.

I think your question on VDB is less on his match performance agaisnt Leicester and more of if he has the quality to be a Manchester United player.
In this respect, do you think he has the quality to be a long term Manchester United player?
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Yup the positional of Martial is bad and no one able to pass then his decision to back pass is correct.

Just look at VDB 1 2 with Fred, Fred failed to keep the ball. Pass and move seem simple but it need to have high skill and awareness
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Mar 23 2021, 04:20 PM)
The opponent has know our playstyle and tend not to press high, but putting pressure on midfield to cut off the supply to McFred and Bruno, that's why most of the time the opponent let Maguire/Lindelof has the ball possession and tend not to challenge them all the time.

On the Leeds game, Bielsa insist using his tactic and backfire with Ole gameplay of fast passing game.

By countering it, OGS has train Shaw and AWB to attack forward and create more space for midfield, or option to pass sideway and let the ball move forward. Like it or not we don't have a good CDM to do the job alone, OGS is using the man he has and twist the strategy a bit.
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The opponent knew Mc Fred is unable to sustain high press and they tend to do simple mistakes and expose counter-attack to the United defender.

That is why pass and move is one of the ways to keep the opponent guessing and let United get the space and time for strikers getting proper position

I'm not forcing Ole solely to use this kind of play but if the opponent sits deep then this is one of an effective way to find a space

I don't think ole gonna change his style of play
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QUOTE(Azury36 @ Mar 23 2021, 04:27 PM)
The opponent knew Mc Fred is unable to sustain high press and they tend to do simple mistakes and expose counter-attack to the United defender.

That is why pass and move is one of the ways to keep the opponent guessing and let United get the space and time for strikers getting proper position

I'm not forcing Ole solely to use this kind of play but if the opponent sits deep then this is one of an effective way to find a space

I don't think ole gonna change his style of play
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We have seen the dwindling form of Matic, VDB unable to play as double pivot midfield, Pogba is not fully fit. As a manager u have to find the best out from it and i can comprehend why OGS use Mc Fred combo.

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Good debate around VDB going on. So here is some food for thought.

Think of a good Manchester United team performance this season. I spent some time thinking about this and one match came to mind. It wasn't the PSG or the Leipzig game. It was the Carabao Cup Quaterfinal, and we were away to Everton at Goodison Park. We eventually won 0-2 but our first half performance was amazing. Ancelotti basically played the Everton first team and they could not break out of their own half. And the lineup we used was :

GK : Henderson
Def : Tuanzebe, Bailly Maguire, Telles
Mid : Matic, Pogba, VDB, Fernandes
FW : Greenwood, Cavani

Our defensive line pushed up high to the halfway line because Bailly was able to chase down balls over the top.
This compressed space in the Everton half which meant Matic didn't have to cover a lot of space and it suited his game.

But here is the most amazing thing. Fernandes, Pogba and VDB was on the pitch at the same time.
We not just did not concede, we spent most of the half penning Everton in. We had 65% possession that game and completed almost double the amount of passes Everton did.


Perhaps it is a one off. But a useful reference because I recall to be amazed by how we played at that point in time.
I understand McFred now. That is acceptable this season, but not next season.
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Mar 23 2021, 04:57 PM)
Good debate around VDB going on. So here is some food for thought.

Think of a good Manchester United team performance this season. I spent some time thinking about this and one match came to mind. It wasn't the PSG or the Leipzig game. It was the Carabao Cup Quaterfinal, and we were away to Everton at Goodison Park. We eventually won 0-2 but our first half performance was amazing. Ancelotti basically played the Everton first team and they could not break out of their own half. And the lineup we used was :

GK : Henderson
Def : Tuanzebe, Bailly Maguire, Telles
Mid : Matic, Pogba, VDB, Fernandes
FW : Greenwood, Cavani

Our defensive line pushed up high to the halfway line because Bailly was able to chase down balls over the top.
This compressed space in the Everton half which meant Matic didn't have to cover a lot of space and it suited his game.

But here is the most amazing thing. Fernandes, Pogba and VDB was on the pitch at the same time.
We not just did not concede, we spent most of the half penning Everton in. We had 65% possession that game and completed almost double the amount of passes Everton did.
Perhaps it is a one off. But a useful reference because I recall to be amazed by how we played at that point in time.
I understand McFred now. That is acceptable this season, but not next season.
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lulz ..amazing? u serious?
after ole bring on martial+rashford+shaw at the last minute ..then only got a goal.. and that was not everton strong lineup doh.gif

ole just clueless ..he does not have any clue how to use vdb, because his style is more on counter attack .. build up play from the back is just for the show created by the clueless coach as to sit back and provoke space, wait for the opponents to steal the ball then hit on the counter lulz

i think the best play under ole when bruno+vdb+mata play together ..cant remember which game ..but they play fast short passes

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our greatest problem this season is actually sudden loss of form of martial and greenwood... greenwood still young its normal... but martial should have peak already to become a one season wonder... if we have the martial of last season.. we could have survive all the draws and losses.. a consistent no.9 is what we really need seriously... you cant score enough goals even if your life depended on it... so what if we can absorb and counter efficiently when u cant score...
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You can blame the manager and his tactics for this, but frankly that’s letting Donny van de Beek off the hook and he no longer deserves the benefit of the doubt. The man did nothing but vacate his position against Istanbul. He couldn’t hold his position against Watford, and his interpretation of “playing in the pivot” against both Southampton and West Brom was playing next to, or even ahead of, the number 9.

It’s hard to believe that Solskjaer — whose teams have always been very well organized — is giving completely different instructions to van de Beek. It seems like either van de Beek either isn’t understanding the coaches’ instructions or he’s just straight up ignoring them.


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Van de Beek is trained in the Ajax school of valuing possession. Short, quick one touch passes. That works for Ajax, but it’s not going to work when Matić, Fred, and Greenwood (at the very least) can’t play with the ball at their feet. That style requires everyone to be on the same page. It’s not going to work unless the other 10 players adapt to him (unlikely and also ridiculous) or van de Beek adapts to them (hasn’t happened yet).
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Mar 24 2021, 12:38 PM)
another ole apologist writer looking to protect him. He will get a contract regardless of criticism, so just shoot away. Rest was the reason used to justify the changes made, but remember that there will be a 2 week break and international games aren't that hectic and with loads of rest in between with lighter training.

the past players always criticize other managers, when it comes to ole, all shut up. All advocating that he needs time, rebuild, player issues, bla bla bla. Look at Salford, they don't practice what they preach, just protecting their own. How many managers were changed when the play isnt good there.
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Thank you for the link.
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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Mar 24 2021, 09:14 AM)
our greatest problem this season is actually sudden loss of form of martial and greenwood... greenwood still young its normal... but martial should have peak already to become a one season wonder... if we have the martial of last season.. we could have survive all the draws and losses.. a consistent no.9 is what we really need seriously... you cant score enough goals even if your life depended on it... so what if we can absorb and counter efficiently when u cant score...
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so that why SAF and Arsene Wenger are the greatest managers of all time, they know how to play using the squad they have
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QUOTE(bansai @ Mar 24 2021, 12:58 PM)
another ole apologist writer looking to protect him. He will get a contract regardless of criticism, so just shoot away. Rest was the reason used to justify the changes made, but remember that there will be a 2 week break and international games aren't that hectic and with loads of rest in between with lighter training.

the past players always criticize other managers, when it comes to ole, all shut up. All advocating that he needs time, rebuild, player issues, bla bla bla. Look at Salford, they don't practice what they preach, just protecting their own. How many managers were changed when the play isnt good there.
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Does the "Old Boys Club" in United cause any concerns for you?
We seem to be putting former players rather than capable people into important positions. It might make sense for the Glazers as they also function to buffer fans criticisms than unknowns, but from a performance perspective it looks to be hurting us.

The latest was Darren Fletcher's appointment to Technical Director and I was wondering what his qualifications & achievements were to qualify him for the job.
If the criteria is a former players, we could have Eric Djemba Djemba up there and it would make no difference.
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QUOTE(bansai @ Mar 24 2021, 12:58 PM)
another ole apologist writer looking to protect him. He will get a contract regardless of criticism, so just shoot away. Rest was the reason used to justify the changes made, but remember that there will be a 2 week break and international games aren't that hectic and with loads of rest in between with lighter training.

the past players always criticize other managers, when it comes to ole, all shut up. All advocating that he needs time, rebuild, player issues, bla bla bla. Look at Salford, they don't practice what they preach, just protecting their own. How many managers were changed when the play isnt good there.
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Most of the articles he wrote criticize Ole strategy btw, i don't think Kayu will commit same mistake 3 times, most likely he will give the contract after season end. First mistake was handed Moyes 6 years contract and second was handed Mourinho extension contract somewhere Mar 2018.
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Mar 24 2021, 12:38 PM)
dont really get the criticism on VDB. he is not match fit, play v little to no games since joined..if he get to play a run of 4 5 games and stil that shit okla. warrants criticism.

but martial? played week in week out and jogging more than pogba. with v little contribution but still get to start the next game. is that because he play based on instruction to sulk like that every game. thats why he got selected?


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wow suddenly its Martial fault for all this poor performance from United.. guess he's in charge of the training drills for defending set-pieces.. maybe it is also his fault that the true no 9 striker Cavani also cannot perform well in this United team hmm.gif
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QUOTE(silvertoes @ Mar 24 2021, 02:24 PM)
wow suddenly its Martial fault for all this poor performance from United.. guess he's in charge of the training drills for defending set-pieces.. maybe it is also his fault that the true no 9 striker Cavani also cannot perform well in this United team  hmm.gif
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well he proved to ole that he can and wanto take on the mantle of no.9 last season... so when we lack of goal scoring this season, should we not blame the no.9 that he always die2 so want it to be? the defense problem is not this season problem only, its always been a problem since last season.. everyone notice about it, but the largest difference this season vs last season performance isnt martial? pogba even turn up for man utd this season and martial have alot more creativity forces behind him compared to last season which rely on bruno only
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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Mar 24 2021, 02:43 PM)
well he proved to ole that he can and wanto take on the mantle of no.9 last season... so when we lack of goal scoring this season, should we not blame the no.9 that he always die2 so want it to be? the defense problem is not this season problem only, its always been a problem since last season.. everyone notice about it, but the largest difference this season vs last season performance isnt martial? pogba even turn up for man utd this season and martial have alot more creativity forces behind him compared to last season which rely on bruno only
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the fact that even the experienced Cavani also struggling says it all.. the connection between midfield to forwards is dead.. bring on Haaland also wont change a thing.. United play is so predictable, it is so easy to cut off supply from midfield to forward players..

basic defensive problems haven't rectify since last season.. its Martial's fault?
yes Martial's performance is way down compared to last season.. guess what, so does Rashford, Greenwood, Fred and Bruno.. who's fault is that? cmon man, u know who's fault it is
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QUOTE(silvertoes @ Mar 24 2021, 03:03 PM)
the fact that even the experienced Cavani also struggling says it all.. the connection between midfield to forwards is dead.. bring on Haaland also wont change a thing.. United play is so predictable, it is so easy to cut off supply from midfield to forward players..

basic defensive problems haven't rectify since last season.. its Martial's fault?
yes Martial's performance is way down compared to last season.. guess what, so does Rashford, Greenwood, Fred and Bruno.. who's fault is that? cmon man, u know who's fault it is
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yea ole also part of the equation.. thats why i also said greenwood form drop alot... rashford, bruno and fred... if we look at their stats... they are doing better than last season bro... and to be fair mcfred improved alot this season also in term of assists and goals... just look at those draw games or loss games this season... are we really not attacking? no... we did attack and plenty of shots on target but no true striker there to convert it... with martial... we always play like 10 men... cavani injured most of the time or suspension this season... i wont put a benchmark on his performance... he is doing very well with the time he have...
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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Mar 24 2021, 03:21 PM)
yea ole also part of the equation.. thats why i also said greenwood form drop alot... rashford, bruno and fred... if we look at their stats... they are doing better than last season bro... and to be fair mcfred improved alot this season also in term of assists and goals... just look at those draw games or loss games this season... are we really not attacking? no... we did attack and plenty of shots on target but no true striker there to convert it... with martial... we always play like 10 men... cavani injured most of the time or suspension this season... i wont put a benchmark on his performance... he is doing very well with the time he have...
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yeah, if look at the stats alone sure they maybe improving.. but by watching, nah they regressing.. if Martial take all those penalties that he won, Bruno stats wont look so good and hey what the heck the lazy Martial suddenly got more goals under his belt..

Werner haven't score for Tuchel's Chelsea, no problem for them.. plus they only conceded two goals since that man takeover.. how about that? on paper, their defensive line is better than United? hell no, no way..

well coached team like City dont need no striker either, they been scoring for fun.. so yeah to put the blame solely on Martial, i fully disagree
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QUOTE(silvertoes @ Mar 24 2021, 03:44 PM)
yeah, if look at the stats alone sure they maybe improving.. but by watching, nah they regressing.. if Martial take all those penalties that he won, Bruno stats wont look so good and hey what the heck the lazy Martial suddenly got more goals under his belt..

Werner haven't score for Tuchel's Chelsea, no problem for them.. plus they only conceded two goals since that man takeover.. how about that? on paper, their defensive line is better than United? hell no, no way..

well coached team like City dont need no striker either, they been scoring for fun.. so yeah to put the blame solely on Martial, i fully disagree
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chelsea is honeymoon period bro... wait their bubble burst dulu... ole so laoya coach also got honeymoon period... scoring crazy amount of goals and also damn positive and sweet til the bubble burst...
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Since we are talking about striker performance, this is eeriely similar to a couple of seasons ago. Just that the name then was Lukaku. Lazy, poor first touch, can't beat his man, can't score. I wonder how Lukaku is doing at Inter now?

To judge forwards like Martial, will he score more goals if he went to Barcelona or Juventus?

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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Mar 24 2021, 04:25 PM)
chelsea is honeymoon period bro... wait their bubble burst dulu... ole so laoya coach also got honeymoon period... scoring crazy amount of goals and also damn positive and sweet til the bubble burst...
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yeah, maybe they are in honeymoon period now.. we will see in the future how it goes.. City on the other hand are not in their honeymoon period though.. and they are well on course to topple United's Treble achievement..
let face it, the former Cardiff manager is just not good enough.. at Molde, 66 win in 118 matches.. United, 76 win in 137 matches.. that is his level

if he dont lead United to win the Europa this season, his highest achievement with United will be top of the league with 6 points clear for a week or two.. and yes of course the ever so great "Beat Pep" trophy
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yeah, maybe they are in honeymoon period now.. we will see in the future how it goes.. City on the other hand are not in their honeymoon period though.. and they are well on course to topple United's Treble achievement..
let face it, the former Cardiff manager is just not good enough.. at Molde, 66 win in 118 matches.. United, 76 win in 137 matches.. that is his level

if he dont lead United to win the Europa this season, his highest achievement with United will be top of the league with 6 points clear for a week or two.. and yes of course the ever so great "Beat Pep" trophy
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yea true.. but then we had two champion winning managers and still play like shit... i really dont know wad holds for our future... lol
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Mar 24 2021, 05:03 PM)
Since we are talking about striker performance, this is eeriely similar to a couple of seasons ago. Just that the name then was Lukaku. Lazy, poor first touch, can't beat his man, can't score. I wonder how Lukaku is doing at Inter now?

To judge forwards like Martial, will he score more goals if he went to Barcelona or Juventus?
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barcelona maybe... juventus susah... he need work hard to get his goals... italian league very defensive minded
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Mar 24 2021, 05:03 PM)
Since we are talking about striker performance, this is eeriely similar to a couple of seasons ago. Just that the name then was Lukaku. Lazy, poor first touch, can't beat his man, can't score. I wonder how Lukaku is doing at Inter now?

To judge forwards like Martial, will he score more goals if he went to Barcelona or Juventus?
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Lukaku doing really.well.A top 10 striker for me
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barcelona maybe... juventus susah... he need work hard to get his goals... italian league very defensive minded
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Lukaku doing really.well.A top 10 striker for me
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Italian League. In 2 seasons, Lukaku has 85 apprearances and 59 goals.
That's top striker stats.

He looked shit for us. He's top for them.
When our bad players suddenly look good when they are not with us, perhaps we should think...wait, was it really them or was it us?

Herrera is another. About average for us. But at PSG, very good.
Look at Lingard this season for West Ham. It just seems like the moment they get out of a United shirt, their stats get a +10 bonus.

I am guessing if VDB moved to Barcelona, he'd be worth at least 80M.
I am guessing if Martial went to Juve and became the main striker, I'd put money down for at least 20 goals a season.

Then why do players come to our club and suddenly go shit?
Perhaps we are the wrong fit. What is our team identity in terms of style of play when signing those players? When I say Manchester United, what comes to mind?

I regularly hear the people at the club refer to us as : United DNA. Hard work. Passion. That's all a load of horseshit in footballing terms.
Let's try below.

Barcelona : Possession based one touch football. Cryuff influence.
Real Madrid : We buy the best players in the world. Star individuals.
Ajax : Possession based one touch football. Cryuff influence.
Bayern Munich : Most efficient football, German style. Best run club.
Manchester City : Tactical innovation with bags of money.
Liverpool : Gegenpress.

Manchester United? Right now I'm lost on our footballing philosophy. 6 at the back. We want to counter, even if we are playing Newcastle at home. That's true David Moyes underdog style of 2014.

I'm guessing we don't know how we want to play hence the club doesn't know what players to buy.
There are players we see and immediately say....that player is so good he will end up at Barcelona. We automatically know it won't be Real, perhaps it is because the player is a highly technical pass & move player.

We end up buying players that look good within the systems of their respective clubs, and they fall apart at our club.
Leicester laughing all the way to the bank.

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No lukaku for me. Remember his heavy touch and own goal defending make me frust.
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if stick with Ole, have to get a striker that can go down get the ball and bring it forward all day.. consistent high energy, lil bit crazy and good dribbler..

because Rashford decision making not that good.. he shoots when he should pass, he pass when he should shoot.. Greenwood not gonna pass to the striker either, 7 out 10 he would rather find a way/space to shoot..
otherwise will just be another Lukaku, Martial, Cavani..
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Mar 24 2021, 07:41 PM)
Italian League. In 2 seasons, Lukaku has 85 apprearances and 59 goals.
That's top striker stats.

He looked shit for us. He's top for them.
When our bad players suddenly look good when they are not with us, perhaps we should think...wait, was it really them or was it us?

Herrera is another. About average for us. But at PSG, very good.
Look at Lingard this season for West Ham. It just seems like the moment they get out of a United shirt, their stats get a +10 bonus.

I am guessing if VDB moved to Barcelona, he'd be worth at least 80M.
I am guessing if Martial went to Juve and became the main striker, I'd put money down for at least 20 goals a season.

Then why do players come to our club and suddenly go shit?
Perhaps we are the wrong fit. What is our team identity in terms of style of play when signing those players? When I say Manchester United, what comes to mind?

I regularly hear the people at the club refer to us as : United DNA. Hard work. Passion. That's all a load of horseshit in footballing terms.
Let's try below.

Barcelona : Possession based one touch football. Cryuff influence.
Real Madrid : We buy the best players in the world. Star individuals.
Ajax : Possession based one touch football. Cryuff influence.
Bayern Munich : Most efficient football, German style. Best run club.
Manchester City : Tactical innovation with bags of money.
Liverpool : Gegenpress.

Manchester United? Right now I'm lost on our footballing philosophy. 6 at the back. We want to counter, even if we are playing Newcastle at home. That's true David Moyes underdog style of 2014.

I'm guessing we don't know how we want to play hence the club doesn't know what players to buy.
There are players we see and immediately say....that player is so good he will end up at Barcelona. We automatically know it won't be Real, perhaps it is because the player is a highly technical pass & move player.

We end up buying players that look good within the systems of their respective clubs, and they fall apart at our club.
Leicester laughing all the way to the bank.
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we are playing well when our no.9 performing well, and of course POGBA, the one that everybody used to want out... once these players both out of the equation... we suddenly looks like mid table team... lol... without proper no.9, bruno has to be the false 9, but this would take out more players from the box... rashford positioning is good, but his finishing really tak cukup lagi, he always gets into get position to get the ball for easy chances but he always miss it or shoot to keeper... lol... greenwood need him to find back his form... and for the no.9... we dont have a true no.9 since ibra actually... lol... quite sad... lukaku was okay for us... but he cant keep up the face counter pace that ole want... lukaku is very suitable in possesion based environent of inter as he dont need to make split second decision... same applies to lingard... u see bruno always look for the killer pass instantly but lingard like to hold it, play with it, then maybe find a space to shoot
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post Mar 25 2021, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Mar 23 2021, 11:35 AM)
There are two things there that I can agree. First would be Matic is past it.
Secondly, I agree that VDB play style of one touch passing and movement is entirely unsuitable with our current game plan which is low tempo when in possession. I think it was after the Palace game that both Ole and Maguire said that they wanted a higher tempo but couldn't. I immediately looked at McFred because they were the ones in a position to dictate the tempo.

Next question here is, should United play at a higher tempo next season?
I think we should. And that would mean VDB has a future with us.
Have some transfer thoughts that I'd like to kick about.
Someone mentioned Neves a few pages back and thought that would be an interesting option.
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we should always play at a high tempo.. however, we should also be able to slow it down whenever necessary.. that's what makes a great team right?

regardless of VDB plays or not, can this current team do so? probably we can come to agree that the team now is more than happy to concede possession and let a strong team to dictate tempo and then hit them with counter attack?

QUOTE(IpohGuyz @ Mar 23 2021, 03:17 PM)
take this as a pinch of salt. having a moaning jose when losing doesn't give any good thing either. he suka smile he smile la haha. backroom rage on the team can liao.

i feel vdb style doesn't match our playing style, thats why he rarely been used. our style is quick counter, direct pass to top when got chance. vdb chance is pass move pass move. when he not in same frequency with the team, how to play together.

there's actually few instance at least 3-4 times, when we can counter and vdb just pick the ball, think 1 sec, then backpass. When all his teammates already rush forward. That's what i observe during last match with leicester live. That video on martial is one of the example. maybe that's the reason teammate also dunwan pass to him.

he doesn't seem able change in training maybe, that's why rarely used. ole is not going to build around him like he build around jogba. either he change or will be hard. this is my wild guess based on observation though.
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as for VDB, is he..

an elite passer of the ball? tick
an elite presser? tick
an elite footballer? tick

so it's perfectly fine as well to say otherwise, that VDB is too good for this current squad.. no one, especially the midfield teammates, has the ability to accommodate to him.. or those with the ability are not given a run of chance to play alongside him.. whenever he took the initiative to make run or passes, his mates can only play sideways and slow everything down.. all these thus making him look mediocre.. a sensible argument also right?

it's like debating which is first, chicken or the egg?

QUOTE(statikinetic @ Mar 24 2021, 07:41 PM)
Italian League. In 2 seasons, Lukaku has 85 apprearances and 59 goals.
That's top striker stats.

He looked shit for us. He's top for them.
When our bad players suddenly look good when they are not with us, perhaps we should think...wait, was it really them or was it us?

Herrera is another. About average for us. But at PSG, very good.
Look at Lingard this season for West Ham. It just seems like the moment they get out of a United shirt, their stats get a +10 bonus.

I am guessing if VDB moved to Barcelona, he'd be worth at least 80M.
I am guessing if Martial went to Juve and became the main striker, I'd put money down for at least 20 goals a season.

Then why do players come to our club and suddenly go shit?
Perhaps we are the wrong fit. What is our team identity in terms of style of play when signing those players? When I say Manchester United, what comes to mind?

I regularly hear the people at the club refer to us as : United DNA. Hard work. Passion. That's all a load of horseshit in footballing terms.
Let's try below.

Barcelona : Possession based one touch football. Cryuff influence.
Real Madrid : We buy the best players in the world. Star individuals.
Ajax : Possession based one touch football. Cryuff influence.
Bayern Munich : Most efficient football, German style. Best run club.
Manchester City : Tactical innovation with bags of money.
Liverpool : Gegenpress.

Manchester United? Right now I'm lost on our footballing philosophy. 6 at the back. We want to counter, even if we are playing Newcastle at home. That's true David Moyes underdog style of 2014.

I'm guessing we don't know how we want to play hence the club doesn't know what players to buy.
There are players we see and immediately say....that player is so good he will end up at Barcelona. We automatically know it won't be Real, perhaps it is because the player is a highly technical pass & move player.

We end up buying players that look good within the systems of their respective clubs, and they fall apart at our club.
Leicester laughing all the way to the bank.
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which comes to philosophy, the back 6..

i wonder where has the swashbuckling football of Ole interim period gone to? it was good football with good vibe

but all im seeing these days are safety first approach.. even when we're at home against so-called weaker teams.. it has become eerily similar to a certain jose mourinho type of set-up.. and we all know what happened after that..

we mates have always been an advocate of Ole, more so because we support the club so we'll support the manager.. we all want him (or any manager helming the club for that matter) to do well.. but we're not blinded by the shortcoming that don't seem to be improving.. we may be 2nd in the league, progressing and all.. but continuing with the McFred combination and safety first approach may not be our future.. or like mentioned, our philosophy
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QUOTE(jas029 @ Mar 25 2021, 11:50 AM)
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mcfred combination is okay if mctom is allow more box to box role instead of two cdm role... lol... mctom is playing better as box to box actually... his positioning around the box is actually not bad... but ole safe approach make him always never go beyond the middle line...
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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Mar 25 2021, 12:25 PM)
mcfred combination is okay if mctom is allow more box to box role instead of two cdm role... lol... mctom is playing better as box to box actually... his positioning around the box is actually not bad... but ole safe approach make him always never go beyond the middle line...
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that's why lor.. certain home games can be more adventurous right.. loose some shackles there.. im just seeing, too often, the team are set-up for safety first instead of trying to dominate and control like when during ole's interim
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QUOTE(jas029 @ Mar 25 2021, 11:50 AM)
we should always play at a high tempo.. however, we should also be able to slow it down whenever necessary.. that's what makes a great team right?
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Yes, I would very much prefer a default high tempo style of play.
My concern now is our current team is unable to do so. Right now we are a reactive team, we play to whatever tempo our opponents play and wait for them to make mistakes for us to counter.

QUOTE(jas029 @ Mar 25 2021, 11:50 AM)
we mates have always been an advocate of Ole, more so because we support the club so we'll support the manager.. we all want him (or any manager helming the club for that matter) to do well..  but we're not blinded by the shortcoming that don't seem to be improving.. we may be 2nd in the league, progressing and all.. but continuing with the McFred combination and safety first approach may not be our future.. or like mentioned, our philosophy
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Right now there are two views when it comes to Ole.

- The current football on show is how he plays as a manager.
- The current football on show is a temporary stopgap to get us over the line as Ole knows the shortcomings in the team. He will need the transfer window to get the team he wants to play better football.

Ole is getting a new contract so I would like to think it will be the latter. I don't think he is particularly proud of this brand of football.
I still don't know what Ole's philosophy is so I hope he gets backed in the summer for his choice signings and given the chance to display his philosophy next season. If we still end up dismal next season, he's probably done. If the Board don't back him this summer, he's definitely done.

QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Mar 25 2021, 12:25 PM)
mcfred combination is okay if mctom is allow more box to box role instead of two cdm role... lol... mctom is playing better as box to box actually... his positioning around the box is actually not bad... but ole safe approach make him always never go beyond the middle line...
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I do agree that neither Fred or McTominay are CDMs. Just stopgap measures.


Feeling like expanding on my earlier post on team identity with a tactical analysis of one of our previous buys and why it didn't turn out.
Maybe later today once I get done with work.

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post Mar 25 2021, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Mar 25 2021, 01:09 PM)
Yes, I would very much prefer a default high tempo style of play.
My concern now is our current team is unable to do so. Right now we are a reactive team, we play to whatever tempo our opponents play and wait for them to make mistakes for us to counter.
Right now there are two views when it comes to Ole.

- The current football on show is how he plays as a manager.
- The current football on show is a temporary stopgap to get us over the line as Ole knows the shortcomings in the team. He will need the transfer window to get the team he wants to play better football.

Ole is getting a new contract so I would like to think it will be the latter. I don't think he is particularly proud of this brand of football.
I still don't know what Ole's philosophy is so I hope he gets backed in the summer for his choice signings and given the chance to display his philosophy next season. If we still end up dismal next season, he's probably done. If the Board don't back him this summer, he's definitely done.
I do agree that neither Fred or McTominay are CDMs. Just stopgap measures.
Feeling like expanding on my earlier post on team identity with a tactical analysis of one of our previous buys and why it didn't turn out.
Maybe later today once I get done with work.
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u sure are a positive bunch to keep looking at the good side, which i can learn a thing or two from..

because me and mates had been fine with Ole all along and opined the blame is on the Glazers.. however, we couldn't help but agreed that the latest football played has been too conservative for too often.. if we played so and won, and challenging closely for the title, then it's all good.. unfortunately, we are rather inconsistent and had been scrapping..

personally, i would like to think so as well with regards to ur second view, that Ole is waiting for reinforcement.. but that can easily be criticized as how long more does he need considering he has been at the club for more than two years already? if the coming summer window is where Ole will get the reinforcement and fulfill his true managerial capabilities, what is the odd that Woodward and Co. won't fail spectacularly with regards to getting those players? they have a solid record for that though tongue.gif

anywhere, that was all hypothetical.. the fact is, like urself, support of Ole will remain.. and hope he get the players he want.. but if he doesn't address his shortcoming soon enough, he may play himself towards the exit door
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QUOTE(jas029 @ Mar 25 2021, 11:50 AM)
we should always play at a high tempo.. however, we should also be able to slow it down whenever necessary.. that's what makes a great team right?

regardless of VDB plays or not, can this current team do so? probably we can come to agree that the team now is more than happy to concede possession and let a strong team to dictate tempo and then hit them with counter attack?
as for VDB, is he..

an elite passer of the ball? tick
an elite presser? tick
an elite footballer? tick

so it's perfectly fine as well to say otherwise, that VDB is too good for this current squad.. no one, especially the midfield teammates, has the ability to accommodate to him.. or those with the ability are not given a run of chance to play alongside him.. whenever he took the initiative to make run or passes, his mates can only play sideways and slow everything down.. all these thus making him look mediocre.. a sensible argument also right?

it's like debating which is first, chicken or the egg?
which comes to philosophy, the back 6..

i wonder where has the swashbuckling football of Ole interim period gone to? it was good football with good vibe

but all im seeing these days are safety first approach.. even when we're at home against so-called weaker teams.. it has become eerily similar to a certain jose mourinho type of set-up.. and we all know what happened after that..

we mates have always been an advocate of Ole, more so because we support the club so we'll support the manager.. we all want him (or any manager helming the club for that matter) to do well..  but we're not blinded by the shortcoming that don't seem to be improving.. we may be 2nd in the league, progressing and all.. but continuing with the McFred combination and safety first approach may not be our future.. or like mentioned, our philosophy
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probably that time interim has nothing to lose vs has everything to lose.

we used to have herrera who does fred's running and disrupting opponent plays + fast passer of the ball. until wood mess up his contract...

this current team is good without the ball. when opponent let them have the ball... they dono wad to do with it liao... if they just man marked bruno gg already sweat.gif
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QUOTE(jas029 @ Mar 25 2021, 02:55 PM)
personally, i would like to think so as well with regards to ur second view, that Ole is waiting for reinforcement.. but that can easily be criticized as how long more does he need considering he has been at the club for more than two years already? if the coming summer window is where Ole will get the reinforcement and fulfill his true managerial capabilities, what is the odd that Woodward and Co. won't fail spectacularly with regards to getting those players? they have a solid record for that though tongue.gif
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There is not much we can do as fans, so giving our manager the benefit of doubt from time to time can be helpful.
If I had a choice, I'd rail against the parasites that are the Glazers as they are the root of all problems. But they aren't going anywhere.

Yes, Ole has been at the club for about 2 years.
But it can be argued he never got the players he needed. Last season was a disaster in terms of transfer performance, I'd rate it an F.
And you are right, it is a recurring theme that Woodward and his investment banking friends consistently fail at transfers and the manager gets shot a couple of seasons later.

I guess the light at the end of the tunnel is that somehow we get the right transfers in.

Because if they do get the right transfers in and Ole can't perform, Ole gets sacked quite fairly.
And if they mess up the transfers again, Ole gets sacked albeit unfairly.

Whatever happens in the summer, Ole will get sacked next season if performance drops.
Woodward and the Glazers will keep on turning that wheel.

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Team identity and failed transfers #2

Morgan Schneiderlin.

Jan 2013 was the turning point for Southampton with the somewhat controversial appointment of Mauricio Pochettino. He was a young manager with pressing at the forefront of his football philosophy. He primarily drew inspiration from one of Pep's idols, Marcelo Bielsa (Poch played for him at Newell's Old Boys in the 80s) who was renowned for high energy pressing.

At the time, Bielsa was coaching Athletic Bilbao with a hugely impressive 5-3 aggregate Europa win over Manchester United. Their intense pressing and quick one-twos completely overwhelmed Sir Alex's side. Poch sought to replicate this style with his Southampton side, who had coincidentally provided Bilbao with their famous red and white stripes thanks to ship workers travelling between the two ports.

Keep in mind this was still the era of possession football largely influenced by the Barca side of 2009-2012. Poch played a high block pressing strategy that starts with the forwards cutting off the best passing angles for the player in the press, and the midfield pincers in by cutting off other passing routes. In Schneiderlin's words, it was to leave the opponent with the worst possible passing option and then going in for the interception or tackle. Upon regaining possession, they usually attempted a vertical passing route.

It proved incredible effective against teams trying to play possession football and it is telling Southampton's first 3 wins were against City, Liverpool and Chelsea. But they also failed to beat lower sides like QPR and Wigan. Powerful midfield duo Schneiderlin and Victor Wanyama were key to the strategy, with Schneiderlin finishing the season with the most tackles, most interceptions and the highest work rate in the Premier League. He looked one of the best defensive midfielders in the business. That was the season United made Luke Shaw the most expensive teenager in football, and returned for Schneiderlin a year after.

I remember that I was quite excited when Schneiderlin joined, as I assumed United was trying to replicate the high tempo pressing style and was getting the key component to organize the press. But it never materialized. Under Van Gaal, United did not trigger a high press on losing possession but rather focused on retaining a defensive shape. Outside the style of a high press, Schneiderlin suddenly looked like a normal defensive midfielder there to do a job. Van Gaal was sacked after and was replace by Mourinho who did not provide Schneiderlin with many starts. He was sold to Everton just one and a half years after his United debut for 20M.

Schneiderlin today plays for Nice.


Fans are correct when they say the squad needs investment. Management is also correct to say they have invested a lot into the squad.

The main problem is not the sum of investment, but how it has been invested. Players seem to be bought on reputation rather than trying to fit into a specific system the club is trying to play. Clubs with a similar playing style like Ajax to Barcelona have a lower risk of transfers failing to perform. Our main struggle today is that we have no footballing identity. The club might be attempting to solve it by installing a Director of Football, but Jon and the rest of the staff have been here since the time of David Moyes. For chefs working in a kitchen which regularly messes up orders for the past 8 years, appointing one of them as Head Chef does not inspire much confidence.


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be more selfish to the guy that is already selfish? great coaching yo
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QUOTE(zhou.xingxing @ Mar 25 2021, 03:08 PM)
probably that time interim has nothing to lose vs has everything to lose.

we used to have herrera who does fred's running and disrupting opponent plays + fast passer of the ball. until wood mess up his contract...

this current team is good without the ball. when opponent let them have the ball... they dono wad to do with it liao... if they just man marked bruno gg already sweat.gif
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oh herrera, what a pity.. the chap was playing for the badge somemore

valid point as well that the team is set-up to save a job

QUOTE(statikinetic @ Mar 25 2021, 03:22 PM)
There is not much we can do as fans, so giving our manager the benefit of doubt from time to time can be helpful.
If I had a choice, I'd rail against the parasites that are the Glazers as they are the root of all problems. But they aren't going anywhere.

Yes, Ole has been at the club for about 2 years.
But it can be argued he never got the players he needed. Last season was a disaster in terms of transfer performance, I'd rate it an F.
And you are right, it is a recurring theme that Woodward and his investment banking friends consistently fail at transfers and the manager gets shot a couple of seasons later.

I guess the light at the end of the tunnel is that somehow we get the right transfers in.

Because if they do get the right transfers in and Ole can't perform, Ole gets sacked quite fairly.
And if they mess up the transfers again, Ole gets sacked albeit unfairly.

Whatever happens in the summer, Ole will get sacked next season if performance drops.
Woodward and the Glazers will keep on turning that wheel.
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appreciate ur positivity.. if only we have more fans that think that way

indeed it's a difficult and never ending argument.. every point is valid to a certain extent.. guess just have to agree to disagree.. and that resulted in what i've mentioned before, the fans are all split now.. u have Ole in Ole out.. or even Glazers in Glazers out.. during SAF, we're all one headed and only wish to destroy any teams that stand in our way of glory.. majority won't be calling to sack SAF i suppose?

pardon me for the reminiscence..

so to continue with current issues, it is still somewhat vague whether we can get the players Ole want in.. a big IF we do get the players in, can Ole efficiently utilise them to take us to another level? what certain is Ole still hasn't shown so far to to reach a level of certain Pep or Klopp or SAF, who always seems to be able to mould a team in a style of play they want..

if by buying players solely to improve the team for Ole, fine by me and i certainly wish him to be able to succeed.. but by then if it's still huff and puff, i agree as well it's fair to say, times up

before all those, we still in a chance for a trophy this season.. if succeed, the whole narrative may have change tongue.gif
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QUOTE(jas029 @ Mar 25 2021, 04:38 PM)
oh herrera, what a pity.. the chap was playing for the badge somemore

valid point as well that the team is set-up to save a job
appreciate ur positivity.. if only we have more fans that think that way

indeed it's a difficult and never ending argument.. every point is valid to a certain extent.. guess just have to agree to disagree.. and that resulted in what i've mentioned before, the fans are all split now.. u have Ole in Ole out.. or even Glazers in Glazers out.. during SAF, we're all one headed and only wish to destroy any teams that stand in our way of glory.. majority won't be calling to sack SAF i suppose?

pardon me for the reminiscence..

so to continue with current issues, it is still somewhat vague whether we can get the players Ole want in.. a big IF we do get the players in, can Ole efficiently utilise them to take us to another level? what certain is Ole still hasn't shown so far to to reach a level of certain Pep or Klopp or SAF, who always seems to be able to mould a team in a style of play they want..

if by buying players solely to improve the team for Ole, fine by me and i certainly wish him to be able to succeed.. but by then if it's still huff and puff, i agree as well it's fair to say, times up

before all those, we still in a chance for a trophy this season.. if succeed, the whole narrative may have change tongue.gif
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well u wont know unless pep or klopp never got supported the way they needed... the truth is til now pep is reli quite well supported by the clubs he work with... for klopp.. the sales of countinho reli chg everything and the players that they have now all bought way cheaper which we can credit to his man mgmt skill for able to make them world class...

we can say we spent alot, but have we really fill up the positions we needed after so many windows? a consistent CB, a consistent RW, a consistent CDM, a consistent no.9, a back up RB that motivate like telles did... all these positions was never reli solve since Jomo era... instead we keep buying CAM when we have abundant in the squad... I.e the VDB purchase... lol
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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Mar 25 2021, 05:33 PM)
well u wont know unless pep or klopp never got supported the way they needed... the truth is til now pep is reli quite well supported by the clubs he work with... for klopp.. the sales of countinho reli chg everything and the players that they have now all bought way cheaper which we can credit to his man mgmt skill for able to make them world class...

we can say we spent alot, but have we really fill up the positions we needed after so many windows? a consistent CB, a consistent RW, a consistent CDM, a consistent no.9, a back up RB that motivate like telles did... all these positions was never reli solve since Jomo era... instead we keep buying CAM when we have abundant in the squad... I.e the VDB purchase... lol
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we have a consistent CB already..

cant say Ole wasnt supported. Maguire + AWB - CB and RB. maybe can just get Trippier.. even got the call up to england before AWB.

still think VDB is not cam but a 8.

we just need to find our own Makelele. after he left, the RM galacticos crumble also despite starstudded
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QUOTE(zhou.xingxing @ Mar 25 2021, 05:42 PM)
we have a consistent CB already..

cant say Ole wasnt supported. Maguire + AWB - CB and RB. maybe can just get Trippier.. even got the call up to england before AWB.

still think VDB is not cam but a 8.

we just need to find our own Makelele. after he left, the RM galacticos crumble also despite starstudded
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the partner of maguire, after we bought maguire only we realize his partner is not enough... or actually maguire is wrong purchase... hahaha

yeah but no.8 also quite crowded with fred and mctom also the similar role... wad we need is someone to share the burden of bruno... and also pogba when he is gone...

yeah, if u rmb man city without fernandinho... they terus gg cant catch liverpool... now they gt rodri already.... so its better now
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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Mar 25 2021, 05:33 PM)
well u wont know unless pep or klopp never got supported the way they needed... the truth is til now pep is reli quite well supported by the clubs he work with...
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Pep is smart.
He is high profile enough to make demands the clubs guarantee their investments every season before he signs.
Bayern. Then with Man City. If he ever moves on, I would suspect PSG being prime candidates.

I have a controversial thought that our acquisition of VDB was not because the squad needed him but Woodward going to Van Der Sar for a favour to mask an absolute shitshow of a transfer window.
I remember Van Der Sar writing to the club to please take care of Donny. We all know how well we have taken care of Donny.

QUOTE(zhou.xingxing @ Mar 25 2021, 05:42 PM)
still think VDB is not cam but a 8.
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I like your posts @statikinetic.Some people like blame all the way only.. Optimistic>Pessimistic
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Appreciate it. Constantly being angry and despairing whenever we talk about our football club is no long term strategy as a fan.
We can't change things, but we can talk about how the club can plan to make it better.

QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Mar 25 2021, 06:13 PM)
the partner of maguire, after we bought maguire only we realize his partner is not enough... or actually maguire is wrong purchase... hahaha
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Here is another controversial theory from me.

Maguire is a very good defender. If he was a shoe, he is a very good shoe.
Lindelof is also a very good defender. If he was a show, he is also a very good shoe.

Unfortunately, Maguire and Lindelof are both left shoes. So when someone wears two left shoes, he cannot run very well.


Before Maguire this was what we had :
We had Lindelof who was a Rio type of CB, stay back and pass.
We had Bailly who was a Vidic type of CD, a stopper. But he frequently got injured.

Logic would dictate you buy a stopper.
I think United went for Maguire because he is an English defender in the national team. And gave him the captaincy to entice him.
Not because he was the right type of defender we needed. So we ended up with another covering type of CB.

At the start it was fine. Then Bailly got injured.
And suddenly we went to the races with two left shoes. And because we cannot run, we now use a wheelchair to push us along called McFred.


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Everyone wanted a director of football and murtough is given a chance. Not even given a chance to perform people doubt him ady guess that's human n
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...ter-United.html

Want offer also keep quiet first. Later no motivation win.

Eh nicky butt left? Argue with moyes man
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Everyone wanted a director of football and  murtough is given a chance. Not even given a chance to perform people doubt him ady guess that's  human n
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maybe u shud do some.background check first

1. hand picked by moyes
2. youth head
3. DoF

what idiot will think he going to buy players? what kind of network he got to make key signing? give him a chance? he was around since moyes. what chance are u going to give him as the most important role in football structure? ok i tell u .. hes going to make everton 2.0 .. top 4 finish and make the glazers happy by signing cheap players with MU DNA.. yeah MU DNA .. thats the plan.. doesnt matter if they didnt win anything.. as Ole the clueless said "rebuilding, trophy will follow" ..yeah right GGMU

oh by the way, ..this dude with incompetent boards almost fucked up on Bruno signing

theres an article about sports science in MU, lead by this dude gang , talking about collecting data n stats to help on decision making on potential players. good article.. is that MU DNA? lulz

remember , they almost fucked up Bruno signing




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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Mar 25 2021, 06:13 PM)
the partner of maguire, after we bought maguire only we realize his partner is not enough... or actually maguire is wrong purchase... hahaha

yeah but no.8 also quite crowded with fred and mctom also the similar role... wad we need is someone to share the burden of bruno... and also pogba when he is gone...

yeah, if u rmb man city without fernandinho... they terus gg cant catch liverpool... now they gt rodri already.... so its better now
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maguire is a good purchase as he doesnt get injured. we buy him not to upgrade the defence but to at least not let the defence goes injured (smalling and jones) but for 80m he should have done better.

look at his replacement, soyuncu, seems like a steal.. and making him the captain... whats behind that decision?
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QUOTE(IpohGuyz @ Mar 25 2021, 09:31 PM)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...ter-United.html

Want offer also keep quiet first. Later no motivation win.

Eh nicky butt left? Argue with moyes man
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Don't be too emotional orga_laut. Relax those r just my opinion .Sorry if u r offended
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QUOTE(IpohGuyz @ Mar 25 2021, 09:31 PM)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...ter-United.html

Want offer also keep quiet first. Later no motivation win.

Eh nicky butt left? Argue with moyes man
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Unfortunate Nicky Butt has left the club. He is a loss, being in charge of the youth development and setup.
Rumours has it that it was down to the Technical Director position that went to Darren Fletcher. Butt being already responsible for the youth culture seemed to be the right fit to align that football across the club but the position instead went to the younger and new Darren Fletcher.

Just rumours that I have heard. Whow knows for sure. Perhaps they bumped into each other, spilt some coffee and got into a fight.

Edited in : Apparently Butt doesn't get along with Murtough and didn't take well that he would be reporting in to the new Director of Football as well.

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And then we lose to Granada? biggrin.gif
We can fix our tag of 'semi final bottlers' by not qualifying for one in the first place. Genius!

On a more serious note, I'd consider Ajax and Arsenal stronger favourites.
Just like we are Man City's bogey team, Arsenal gets the better of us lately. Ole beats Pep, who beats Arteta, who beats Ole. Nice little footballing rock paper scissors.

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Wahh england won 5-0 and lingard started on the right 🤗🤗im not sure he play ed well or not coz I didn't watch the game
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Wahh england won 5-0 and lingard started on the right 🤗🤗im not sure he  play ed well or not coz I didn't watch the game
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Lord Lingardinho played well. Lingard may have started on the right but his average position was more of the number 10, in the hole.
He kept drifting inward and the RW width was provided by the rightback, Reece James.

He was allowed to come in and drift around the number 10 area by Southgate, I guess that is where he plays best.
In fact England's fourth goal had Lingard dribbling down the left to cross for the assist.
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Mar 26 2021, 10:45 AM)
Lord Lingardinho played well. Lingard may have started on the right but his average position was more of the number 10, in the hole.
He kept drifting inward and the RW width was provided by the rightback, Reece James.

He was allowed to come in and drift around the number 10 area by Southgate, I guess that is where he plays best.
In fact England's fourth goal had Lingard dribbling down the left to cross for the assist.
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I didnt know Lord Lingardinho is wearing #7.
I always thought #7 was Sterling's.
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I didnt know Lord Lingardinho is wearing #7.
I always thought #7 was Sterling's.
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British squad numbering based on the 4-4-2.
RW is usually 7. LW usually is 11.

But here they were playing a 4-3-3, so Sterling got 10 instead of 11.

#JLingz7 trending soon!
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QUOTE(Mu4ever80 @ Mar 26 2021, 10:19 AM)
Wahh england won 5-0 and lingard started on the right 🤗🤗im not sure he  play ed well or not coz I didn't watch the game
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I didnt know Lord Lingardinho is wearing #7.
I always thought #7 was Sterling's.
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British squad numbering based on the 4-4-2.
RW is usually 7. LW usually is 11.

But here they were playing a 4-3-3, so Sterling got 10 instead of 11.

#JLingz7 trending soon!
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club legends coming out to defend ole but keep on sacking salford managers...
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agree on what you say, thats precisely whats happening with the club... when we gotten maguire, i expect him to do the role of bailly actually since lindelof already a good passer on his own... but now we have two ball playing soft defenders... maguire looks huge only, but he is as soft as puppy at the back... always kena push and not getting foul... lol.. hence the pau torres intent to purchase i also doubtful actually... another ball playing defender... we need someone like rojo or jones but wont injured all the time... the jones and rojo combination is the reason why we go head to head with man city until both of them injured and our EPL season collapsed... they bully strikers in EPL like its their hobby

QUOTE(zhou.xingxing @ Mar 26 2021, 08:31 AM)
maguire is a good purchase as he doesnt get injured. we buy him not to upgrade the defence but to at least not let the defence goes injured (smalling and jones) but for 80m he should have done better.

look at his replacement, soyuncu, seems like a steal.. and making him the captain... whats behind that decision?
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yeah good saje, but he is not the warrior we expect him to be... we want him to rule with authority like how vidic did... imagine ur captain is someone who make opponent fear not make teammate fear... how different would that be
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Mar 26 2021, 11:29 AM)
British squad numbering based on the 4-4-2.
RW is usually 7. LW usually is 11.

But here they were playing a 4-3-3, so Sterling got 10 instead of 11.

#JLingz7 trending soon!
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its good that media help us to push up his pricing, lol...

against san marino he din score a goal and only one assist je... but its okay, everyone hype him up tongue.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Mar 26 2021, 02:27 PM)
agree on what you say, thats precisely whats happening with the club... when we gotten maguire, i expect him to do the role of bailly actually since lindelof already a good passer on his own... but now we have two ball playing soft defenders... maguire looks huge only, but he is as soft as puppy at the back... always kena push and not getting foul... lol.. hence the pau torres intent to purchase i also doubtful actually... another ball playing defender... we need someone like rojo or jones but wont injured all the time... the jones and rojo combination is the reason why we go head to head with man city until both of them injured and our EPL season collapsed... they bully strikers in EPL like its their hobby
yeah good saje, but he is not the warrior we expect him to be... we want him to rule with authority like how vidic did... imagine ur captain is someone who make opponent fear not make teammate fear... how different would that be
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Or Maguire was an enforcer, but once he came to United he went to Ole and said that he is now Harry Beckenbauer. He is libero, must be free man, does not mark anybody and chief passer from the back.
Instead of pushing opponents about, he push Luke Shaw around. biggrin.gif


Now Harry Maguire pass quiz. Which player should you pass to?

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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Mar 26 2021, 05:20 PM)
its good that media help us to push up his pricing, lol...

against san marino he din score a goal and only one assist je... but its okay, everyone hype him up  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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Let's do our part to hype up Lord Lingardinho. Future Ballon d'Or winner. GOAT.

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Jlingz must be regret why he no on form here. He was given no10 role and alot of chance during ole first season
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Dortmund set Haaland fee at €180m
https://www.espn.com/soccer/soccer-transfer...nt-at-barcelona

Actually no matter is the €150M reported earlier or €180M now, Borussia Dortmund just keep being them, never change.

I think no club in the moment can afford this price, except PSG and Man City. Actually BD is extremely good at selling players. Yes they set ridiculous price, but still will always have buyers.

Their scouting team / sporting director is class A++. They really good in buying players that suit the club, the player will play well, and always can sell for ridiculous high price later.
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this build up play must starts from maguire everytime clearly ole's favoritsm at best. stupid and unnecesaary..why the hell must start from him? his decision making is very poor.

usually the build up starts from CB to invite opponents to chase, then pass to wide players. this is super predictable. based on the picture, he must pass on the wide left. from wide left to mid or front. but seems he trust fred than telles (stupid). and fred 1st touch as we know is shit, and based on fred style he doesnt scan his surroundings frequently like vdb and bruno because i dont know just not good enough. its understandable why fred trying to pass back to maguire/keeper because 'that' is his style. end up giving shit goal
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QUOTE(orga_laut @ Mar 26 2021, 09:52 PM)
this build up play must starts from maguire everytime clearly ole's favoritsm at best. stupid  and unnecesaary..why the hell must start from him? his decision making is very poor.

usually the build up starts from CB to invite opponents to chase, then pass to wide players. this is super predictable. based on the picture, he must pass on the wide left. from wide left to mid or front. but seems he trust fred than telles (stupid). and fred 1st touch as we know is shit, and based on fred style he doesnt scan his surroundings frequently like vdb and bruno because i dont know just not good enough. its understandable why fred trying to pass back to maguire/keeper because 'that' is his style. end up giving shit goal
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An ambitious option to exploit the space in front of our RB to force the Leicester block to move. The Leicester player on Fred's back has to engage, which means Fred has a small window to reposition and ask for a pass from the RB before the opposing player on the left shuffles over to pick him up. The pass takes out Leicester's striker, who will compensate to block the backpass option to Lindelof.

Lindelof and Telles are the easier options. Matic is dead as a passing option.


QUOTE(KennRicky @ Mar 26 2021, 08:46 PM)
Dortmund set Haaland fee at €180m
https://www.espn.com/soccer/soccer-transfer...nt-at-barcelona

Actually no matter is the €150M reported earlier or €180M now, Borussia Dortmund just keep being them, never change.

I think no club in the moment can afford this price, except PSG and Man City. Actually BD is extremely good at selling players. Yes they set ridiculous price, but still will always have buyers.

Their scouting team / sporting director is class A++. They really good in buying players that suit the club, the player will play well, and always can sell for ridiculous high price later.
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Doubt anyone will go for him if Dortmund sticks to that price.
His release clause activates for less than half that amount next year. In a pandemic economy, even the superclubs gotta be considering the value there.

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Mar 26 2021, 07:42 PM)
Or Maguire was an enforcer, but once he came to United he went to Ole and said that he is now Harry Beckenbauer. He is libero, must be free man, does not mark anybody and chief passer from the back.
Instead of pushing opponents about, he push Luke Shaw around. biggrin.gif
Now Harry Maguire pass quiz. Which player should you pass to?

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Legendary captain. Not first time he do this risky pass dy
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Mar 26 2021, 07:42 PM)
Or Maguire was an enforcer, but once he came to United he went to Ole and said that he is now Harry Beckenbauer. He is libero, must be free man, does not mark anybody and chief passer from the back.
Instead of pushing opponents about, he push Luke Shaw around. biggrin.gif
Now Harry Maguire pass quiz. Which player should you pass to?

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Lol

If this was 2008, Rio Ferdinand will bring the ball forward so Evra can get more space, Scholes/Carrick will be ready in the better position, Rooney/Ronaldo ready to receive the ball

But heck even Ferdinand/Vidic on this squad, the Mc Fred doesn't know to station better position and end up opposition will intercept the ball

Only Luke Shaw know to position his place

And we still blame VDV, Pogba, Bruno doesn't create enough chances when the ball not even able on the mid area because those two Mc Fred is lack intelligence and station the same line

Yes maybe Ole instruct them, this because it happens so many times
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What are your transfer targets for next season that you would consider the summer window a success?
Please keep in mind that our transfer budget will not be big in the current economic situation, and will probably also depend on some players being sold.

What outcome would you consider the transfer window a failure? Worse case scenario?

Edited to next season.

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QUOTE(KennRicky @ Mar 26 2021, 08:46 PM)
Dortmund set Haaland fee at €180m
https://www.espn.com/soccer/soccer-transfer...nt-at-barcelona

Actually no matter is the €150M reported earlier or €180M now, Borussia Dortmund just keep being them, never change.

I think no club in the moment can afford this price, except PSG and Man City. Actually BD is extremely good at selling players. Yes they set ridiculous price, but still will always have buyers.

Their scouting team / sporting director is class A++. They really good in buying players that suit the club, the player will play well, and always can sell for ridiculous high price later.
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Mar 27 2021, 11:11 AM)
What are your transfer targets for this season that you would consider the summer window a success?
Please keep in mind that our transfer budget will not be big in the current economic situation, and will probably also depend on some players being sold.

What outcome would you consider the transfer window a failure? Worse case scenario?
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QUOTE(and85rew @ Mar 27 2021, 11:53 AM)
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Sorry, mistyped my question.
Next season I mean, what are your transfer strategies this coming summer?
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I said this previously and I say it again. We should look more at Portuguese players. They have pool of talented players and passionate lot. SAF build his team around passionate players like Rio, Vidic, Evra, Gary, Rafael, Ronaldo, Rooney, Keane etc. You need this kind of players on the field.
If you look at current team, only Bruno has that fire. Heck, even the captain lack of passion.
If BVB continue to sell hard, I say fuck 'em. They are not doing so well in the league, and they had an easy UCL group stage. I doubt they will beat Man City in the next round.

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QUOTE(O-haiyo @ Mar 27 2021, 12:27 PM)
I said this previously and I say it again. We should look more at Portuguese players. They have pool of talented players and passionate lot. SAF build his team around passionate players like Rio, Vidic, Evra, Gary, Rafael, Ronaldo, Rooney, Keane etc. You need this kind of players on the field.
If you look at current team, only Bruno has that fire. Heck, even the captain lack of passion.
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Let me play fantasy Director of Football with your transfer strategy as if you were the United manager.

If these are your demands, I will target a single club which is Wolves.
I will go for Ruben Neves (DM), Pedro Neto (RW) and potentially Raul Jimenez (FW) if Cavani leaves. I understand Jimenez is Mexican, but he is already playng in a Portuguese environment and is a cultural fit.

All are from the Premier League so adaptation risk is reduced. Bruno, Neves and Neto play for the NT so that will help the cohesion between the three.
Bruno should be elevated to at least Vice Captain (I doubt United will take the captaincy off an English player) and he becomes boss of the Portuguese Posse, our core of Portuguese players which should help ingrain him further into the club. Neto can play both RW as well as LW. If both Diallo and Pellestri comes good at RW, we can then use Neto to cover Rashford at LW. Lots of options.

With this single swoop, we will fill our CDM, RW and FW slots. Leaving only the CB.
What do you think?


Anyone with more transfer strategies?

QUOTE(O-haiyo @ Mar 27 2021, 12:27 PM)
If BVB continue to sell hard, I say fuck 'em. They are not doing so well in the league, and they had an easy UCL group stage. I doubt they will beat Man City in the next round.
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Borussia Dortmund's setup

I think our fans have to be very careful if comparing us with Dortmund. Fans may get what they wish and it may become a nightmare.
Let me say this to start off : Dortmund will never win the Bundesliga or win the CL with their current setup which is geared towards player sales.

If fans don't mind not winning anything and making big bucks off player sales, then it is workable.
It is the Glazers wet dream but they can't do it due to potential fan backlash.

Dortmund is setup as a wonderkid shopping mall. They buy young players with high potential, and their manager needs to prepare slots in the first team for them to perform in.
In the lower competition league of the Bundesliga, it is ideal for youngers making that step to superstar. You cannot do it in the PL because competition is too stiff, the Championship may be suitable. Because of this, they do not play the best team to win things but the best team they can with some youth players. Some youth players of course don't live up to their potential, but the insane seeling prices of those kids who do more than covers the cost.

Dortmund are very good at bringing in youngsters.
They rightly thrashed our negotiation team in two high profile cases in the past 1-2 years.

We were favourites to get Haaland from Salzburg. At the final stages of negotiation, we would not accept a minimum release clause insertion. Dortmund were willing and poached Haaland. This turned out well for the player, I don't think he would have found success at United at that age. Ole would probably let him play with the reserves.

We were also favourites to sign Jude Bellingham. We pulled out all the stops, Bellington got a tour of Carrington and spoke to both Ole and Sir Alex. At the end, he surprisingly chose Dortmund. Which is also good for him as he is now playing Champions League football. If he had come to United, again it would be reserve games. If VDB who is an international can't get into the squad, what chance does a 17 year old have?

If I was a young player, even I would pick Dortmund.

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Sorry, mistyped my question.
Next season I mean, what are your transfer strategies this coming summer?
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Mar 27 2021, 01:30 PM)

Borussia Dortmund's setup

I think our fans have to be very careful if comparing us with Dortmund. Fans may get what they wish and it may become a nightmare.
Let me say this to start off : Dortmund will never win the Bundesliga or win the CL with their current setup which is geared towards player sales.

If fans don't mind not winning anything and making big bucks off player sales, then it is workable.
It is the Glazers wet dream but they can't do it due to potential fan backlash.

Dortmund is setup as a wonderkid shopping mall. They buy young players with high potential, and their manager needs to prepare slots in the first team for them to perform in.
In the lower competition league of the Bundesliga, it is ideal for youngers making that step to superstar. You cannot do it in the PL because competition is too stiff, the Championship may be suitable. Because of this, they do not play the best team to win things but the best team they can with some youth players. Some youth players of course don't live up to their potential, but the insane seeling prices of those kids who do more than covers the cost.

Dortmund are very good at bringing in youngsters.
They rightly thrashed our negotiation team in two high profile cases in the past 1-2 years.

We were favourites to get Haaland from Salzburg. At the final stages of negotiation, we would not accept a minimum release clause insertion. Dortmund were willing and poached Haaland. This turned out well for the player, I don't think he would have found success at United at that age. Ole would probably let him play with the reserves.

We were also favourites to sign Jude Bellingham. We pulled out all the stops, Bellington got a tour of Carrington and spoke to both Ole and Sir Alex. At the end, he surprisingly chose Dortmund. Which is also good for him as he is now playing Champions League football. If he had come to United, again it would be reserve games. If VDB who is an international can't get into the squad, what chance does a 17 year old have?

If I was a young player, even I would pick Dortmund.
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Exactly. There are reasons those kids chose Dortmund. They want playing time and Dortmund is the best club for that. I also feel that Bundesliga is perfect training ground for them, not too hard not to easy either. Good enough to showcase their potential and build their confidence. They will end up somewhere else at the end of the day. Not saying it's bad for Dortmund, but that's how the club has been operating. And also, the board are not scared to sack the coach if they feel he is not good enough.
I can't same the same for us.

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Amad Diallo
Telles
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i think it is a grade D for me
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I will be surprised we can get halland. Already fail last round. Why we will success this round
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QUOTE(and85rew @ Mar 27 2021, 01:49 PM)
RW
DM
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And of course pure FW
But not gonna but haaland for 180m
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And there is discussions around Haaland for United. I do not know why we are linked to Haaland.
If Woodward does approve a Haaland transfer, I hope the Glazers step in and veto against that investment.

- Haaland solves none of our current problems, in defence and the midfield supply issue.
- Haaland would blow our entire transfer budget.
- Haaland comes with Mino Raiola. A season ago, fans swore never again to deal with Raiola after he constantly sniped our club in the media but this is easily forgotten when he has a shiny young thing.
- Haaland will probably not be here beyond 3 years. The strategy with Raiola is to move every few years for mega bucks. Our club will be in a worse state then.

I say United are only linked to Haaland as a media strategy to created a bidding war, orchestrated by Raiola and his agency.
Don't bite the bait. Say no to Haaland right now.


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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...t-Ham-loan.html

ada lingard tak payah halland lol
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QUOTE(and85rew @ Mar 27 2021, 11:53 AM)
Amad Diallo
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i think it is a grade D for me
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Amad Diallo is a replacement for Sancho, for me. Not something that most of us are expecting, but only time can tell.

Telles could be a replacement for Shaw, only that Shaw somehow increases his performance, Telles on the other hand has no chance. If that is the reason why Telles was signed, I think it served the purpose.

VDB supposed to be a standby or replacement for Pogba, no? But it seems that we do not know how to use him or he just doesn't know how to play in Man Utd icon_question.gif


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sorry, ..what transfers?

murtough only buy potential young players for academy. ole will use academy players to fill up the first team players who left. shoretire is the latest player who got promoted . more to come.

so what nonsense u talking about transfers?

sancho ? haaland?
...when matt judge + murtough still holds the head of transfer , u still deluded thinking these clowns will buy players? lulz

do u aware who is murtough? he have his own sport science team who produce spreadsheets data to identify potential players ..this is what makes the glazers love about him .. with Ole's MU DNA dream, u wont get to see players like sancho haalaand maradona pele ruud van persie or keano because they hv change their plan under murtough.. to become everton 2.0

geez.. where does this haaland story came from? 150M 180M under matt judge + murtough? lulz.. they will end up with another amad diallo

..or, pls prove me wrong

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International match

Turkey vs Norway

As you can see Haaland failed to score, the reason is no ball supply for him to score

Norway with a counter-attack and long ball seem good on paper when Haaland is the main attacker

On final third of field Norway unable to deliver the ball to him and as a result Norway can't score

This similar situation with United when there is no enough supply at mid area for Bruno, Rashford and Martial create chances when Mc Fred stay align together no initiative to bring the ball forward

The passing from Mc Tom and Fred is abysmal that the worse of Silvestre able to do better simple pass than those two tango


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welp, some people prefer that it is Martial's fault.. could've got 10points more if got Haaland in the squad they say

the system(or lack thereof) that Ole's United insist to play would've not benefit Haaland like what he got going on at Dortmund..
wise move from the kid.. wonder where he'll go next.. if its City, he gonna be banging goals like crazy..
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based on our tactic rite now
we need false 9 as a striker, so please no haaland

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welp, some people prefer that it is Martial's fault.. could've got 10points more if got Haaland in the squad they say

the system(or lack thereof) that Ole's United insist to play would've not benefit Haaland like what he got going on at Dortmund..
wise move from the kid.. wonder where he'll go next.. if its City, he gonna be banging goals like crazy..
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well, whether haaland can thrive for us we don't know. but one thing for sure, martial cant be our main striker if we want to challenge for title.
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QUOTE(DarkWan @ Mar 27 2021, 09:42 PM)
Amad Diallo is a replacement for Sancho, for me. Not something that most of us are expecting, but only time can tell.

Telles could be a replacement for Shaw, only that Shaw somehow increases his performance, Telles on the other hand has no chance. If that is the reason why Telles was signed, I think it served the purpose.

VDB supposed to be a standby or replacement for Pogba, no? But it seems that we do not know how to use him or he just doesn't know how to play in Man Utd  icon_question.gif
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Blame all from Glazers to Woodward then matt judge Ogs entire team except Bruno n shaw.
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Ah, wonderful posts today. Looking forward to catching up.
Have some thoughts around our forward situation to put together later.
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International Breaks

International football usually signifies a footballing break for the fans of the Premier League.
It shouldn't be. Sometimes a players performance on national duty can give important clues if there is an ongoing debate in the player is good enough. Some players obviously enjoy their national teams more than club football. *cough* Pogba *cough*. When Pogba got injured, I predicted he would return on the weekend just before the international break so he can join up with his beloved France. And so it was.

It also serves as a helpful reference point on the discussions around our club. Especially from that Leicester game.
When we were chasing the game, Ole took both VDB and Pogba off to re-establish McFred at the base of midfield and Bruno to change the game. Bruno obviously did not see much of the ball to do anything. McFred as a midfield partnership must be so strong in the manager's eyes that a Holland international cannot break in. And consider this, the star CDM for World Champions France also cannot break into the pivot. Before he got injured, Pogba was deployed on the right wing. After he came back from injury, on the left wing.


Some observations from the games so far :

Pogba played in the pivot for France with Ndombele. He is first choice there. But not for United.

Lingard had a good game in a second string England side against San Marino. There is no way you do not look good in these kinda games.

Bruno played the number 8 role for Portugal and looks good doing it. Portugal moves the ball around a lot faster than we do at United.

Norway. Hahaha. Fans who think Haaland is the 2nd coming of Messi to solve all our problems can chew on that.

Maguire and Stones for England look like the same Maguire-Lindelof pairing conundrum. Unless Maguire is playing the stopper role for England. Couldn't tell much when England were playing Andorra. I bet Maguire-Lindelof similarly would not have too much of a problem against weaker opposition like Granada. Only the stronger ones.

Van De Beek getting game time in the number 8 role for Holland as a sub for Wijnaldum. Tidy appearance.



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just forget about haaland, under raiola he wont come to MU ..with his price tag maybe next season hopefully matt judge can get these players ..

cristiano ronaldo
lionel messi

4231 with bruno , ronaldo and messi can keep change role ..both can play false 9 ..left-center , right-center, left-right, just need someone who can hold the ball, and that is martial ..perfect fit .. i can foresee both ronaldo+messi to hit 20+ goals each

how about that?

..of course, must sack ole first .. with ole, both players can flop laugh.gif
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The Case For Our Forwards

Despite the hate and criticism our forwards have been getting, particularly Martial, I think it is good enough. Martial is an underrated forward who contributes in build up play and tactical runs that do not get the attention scoring goals does. Playing the number 9 position for Manchester United is a dead shift in this current setup. We do not create much for our forwards. Yes, our number 9 (Greenwood) scored in our last game at Leicester but that was from a piece of individual brilliance from Donny and probably Greenwood's only clear cut chance of the game.

Looking at our forwards, the most obvious system to be used is the 3 mobile forwards attacking trident. Forwards who can interchange positions during the game and base their attacking thrust on their mobility & positioning. Martial, Rashford, Greenwood. All three have pace to burn. When we talk about 3 mobile forwards, the trio that immediately comes to mind is Firmino-Salah-Mane. And it is not an unfamiliar system for the fans nor the club. We have used it before, just not recently as we did not have the mobile attackers to utilize it. Think back all the way to 2008, Tevez-Rooney-Ronaldo. In this system, Martial is the most important player and is the lynchpin. His position provides the reference for Rashford and Greenwood. Similar how Firmino is the most important attacker for Liverpool within that system.

The threat of the attacking pace is such that teams may opt against committing players forward in corners for fear of the counter. Which helps the defence out. There was a point in time that Manchester United was more dangerous defending a corner than having a corner ourselves.

The supply line must be fixed in such a system. Buying a new striker like Haaland does nothing.
Azury36 mentioned the international game between Turkey and Norway and that was a very good reference. You would think having Haaland and Odegaard on the pitch would result in lots of goals but no, Norway lost 3-0. Haaland was subbed off.

Transfer wise, I hear that we want to fill at least 4 positions in CB, CDM, RW and FW.
Budget wise, there is only enough money for one marque player. We don't want to buy 4 sub standard players that Ole will stick on the bench.

CB and CDM has to be the priority.


Squad Depth

I do not think we need a RW now. We made our bed with Diallo and Pellestri in the previous window. And the prices are such that they have to be involved in the first team next season. We should not overpay (It doesn't surprise me anymore if we do) for players and then say they are so far from first team standard that they need a couple of seasons in Reserve. Shoretire is coming through. United being United should give youth a chance.

On the FW situation, if Cavani leaves we may need one. Do we have any kids coming through here?
We cannot go for high profile signings here and blow our budget. If we really need to go for a forward, I would suggest to go with a younger player which should suit the price and the strategy of the club.

One player for evaluation is Allan Saint Maximin at Newcastle. This guy reminds me of a young Ronaldo with his skills and technical ability. God knows how he ended up at Newcastle. If Newcastle go down, he should be available for cheaper. He is the type of young player to get the fans off their seats. With a some work to improve the end product like we did with Ronaldo, he could be class for us. Especially when teams sit so deep, our pacy players have no space to get in behind. His skills to beat his man could be invaluable.

His is young. Strong. Skillful. And already plays in the Premier League.
So if we buy him, he should get some playing time unlike some unknown youngster who will be kept for Reserve team games and never seen in the season.


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Nice analysis there @statikinetic . Well said 😀
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Yaya we need someone to grab the ball and bulldoze to forward like Ronaldo last time. Dun need to pass
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QUOTE(Mu4ever80 @ Mar 29 2021, 05:41 PM)
Pau Torres is good but he worries me as he looks like a technical defender in the mould of Victor Lindelof.
Admittedly, I haven't watched much of Villarreal this season. Maybe someone more familiar with him can comment.

My biggest concern is it becoming another Maguire-Lindelof pairing issue again.
Do you know how Torres is as a defender?

QUOTE(IpohGuyz @ Mar 29 2021, 06:58 PM)
Yaya we need someone to grab the ball and bulldoze to forward like Ronaldo last time. Dun need to pass
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On scouting duty. This was the first vid I could find on St Maximin. He features regularly on Premier League trickbox vids.
Do you see potential at United?





Lastly, I know the structure at the club invites a lot of pessimism. Myself included.
So I'm on the fence right now, let's see how they run the transfer window and long term direction. I'll judge at the start of next season after the transfers are done. If you guys have 5 minutes, The Athletic just put out a vid on our new Director of Football structure. Do have a look.



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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Mar 29 2021, 11:21 PM)
Pau Torres is good but he worries me as he looks like a technical defender in the mould of Victor Lindelof.
Admittedly, I haven't watched much of Villarreal this season. Maybe someone more familiar with him can comment.

My biggest concern is it becoming another Maguire-Lindelof pairing issue again.
Do you know how Torres is as a defender?
On scouting duty. This was the first vid I could find on St Maximin. He features regularly on Premier League trickbox vids.
Do you see potential at United?


Lastly, I know the structure at the club invites a lot of pessimism. Myself included.
So I'm on the fence right now, let's see how they run the transfer window and long term direction. I'll judge at the start of next season after the transfers are done. If you guys have 5 minutes, The Athletic just put out a vid on our new Director of Football structure. Do have a look.


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always prefer player that is good and quick footwork, like Eden Hazard when he is at Chelsea. Not extremely quick and strong but very good on the ball, good dribbling. Now what we got, Dan James run like headless chicken, Rashy successful take on, pause for few seconds, the cut back to his right foot laugh.gif

St Maximin is good few season back, not sure now. Adama Traore a good dribbler also. Will they fit in to the team, who knows, they are not world class but they are decent player compare our current winger. laugh.gif
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@Statikinetic I've never watched him play lol. I will watch youtube later lol
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Rumour say Hazard up for sale lol
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St Maximin is good.. doubt Ole like him though.. no United DNA.. he dont do that running around chasing the ball.. his contract is up until 2026, so he gonna cost a lot + United tax..
Crystal Palace's Eze is kinda similar, very good ball control.. younger too.. plus he's English, oohh you know Ole likes em English laugh.gif

buy whoever, their performance will dip after a season or even earlier.. change the coaching people, then maybe United will have a chance.. lets compare United's to City coaching team

City:
Juan Manuel Lillo - 30 years experience as manager, assistant and coach
Brian Kidd - helped SAF win PL in 93, 94, 96 and 97
Rodolfo Borrell - Coached Barca academy La Masia, brought through Messi, Fabregas and Iniesta
former Liverpool Academy's Head of Coaching, brought through Sterling, Flanagan, Ibe

United:
Mike Phelan - part of SAF coaching team for quite a long time, managed Hull for 1 year and been semi-retired after that
Michael Carrick - first job as a coach
McKenna - was good managing the academy, only 2 years as a first team coach

the gap is too big, it is reflected on the pitch and on the table..
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Rumour say Hazard up for sale lol
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Whoever buys Hazard currently, I would say let's try sell Phil Jones to them as well.

QUOTE(silvertoes @ Mar 30 2021, 04:11 PM)
lets compare United's to City coaching team
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City has been upgrading their footballing infrastructure since Txiki Begiristain was appointed Director of Football. I mean proper growth. From investing in youth to the entire club setup.

City is run as a proper football club by footballing people, with commercial business to supplement the club's revenue.
United is run as a commercial business by business/investment people, with a footballing setup to base the club's revenue around.

City's owners have invested a lot into the club.
United's owners have taken a lot out of the club.

I would say our owners have taken the most funds out of the club out of all the football clubs in England. And if we count the debt we are paying for the Glazers, the United's owners have probably siphoned out the most funds our of any club in the world.


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City has been upgrading their footballing infrastructure since Txiki Begiristain was appointed Director of Football. I mean proper growth. From investing in youth to the entire club setup.

City is run as a proper football club by footballing people, with commercial business to supplement the club's revenue.
United is run as a commercial business by business/investment people, with a footballing setup to base the club's revenue around.

City's owners have invested a lot into the club.
United's owners have taken a lot out of the club.

I would say our owners have taken the most funds out of the club out of all the football clubs in England. And if we count the debt we are paying for the Glazers, the United's owners have probably siphoned out the most funds our of any club in the world.
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Couldn't agree more.. the owners does not dictates who should be the coaching staff though.. the manager have full authority to hire whoever he/she wants in his coaching team.. its not about the fund..

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On the FW situation, if Cavani leaves we may need one. Do we have any kids coming through here?
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Roman abramovich also a very good owner. He is a die hard Chelsea fan n he doesn't mind spending his personal money to improve Chelsea(transfer market). You can see him sitting at the stands watching almost all Chelsea games but in 18/19 he couldn't enter UK due to visa issues. When chelsea suffered heavy losses he refused to sell CFC too.Totally opposite of Glazers.I'm also sorry as this not a Chelsea thread. Have a nice day all.
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QUOTE(Mu4ever80 @ Mar 31 2021, 01:09 PM)
Roman abramovich also a very good owner. He is a die hard Chelsea fan n he doesn't mind spending his personal money to improve Chelsea(transfer market). You can see him sitting at the stands watching almost all Chelsea  games but in 18/19 he couldn't enter UK due to visa issues. When chelsea suffered heavy losses he refused to sell CFC too.Totally opposite of Glazers.I'm also sorry as this not a Chelsea thread. Have a nice day all.
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good owner? laugh.gif

I prefer owner like Man City where they let professional run the club, not suka hati then sack manager for under performing, Chelsea still lack of football club identity after Roman took over.
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Mar 31 2021, 05:04 PM)
good owner? laugh.gif

I prefer owner like Man City where they let professional run the club, not suka hati then sack manager for under performing, Chelsea still lack of football club identity after Roman took over.
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And Chelsea Roman Abramovich have a penchant for sacking managers laugh.gif
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Mar 31 2021, 05:04 PM)
good owner? laugh.gif

I prefer owner like Man City where they let professional run the club, not suka hati then sack manager for under performing, Chelsea still lack of football club identity after Roman took over.
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Yes much better than glazers.At least he has got the passion in CFC.Just like how a die hard fan would collect club jerseys every season. If u say sukahati fire lampard then if we fire OGS also considered sukahati lo?hahaha just wait end of the season to judge everything. Tuchel is doing so well what
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QUOTE(Mu4ever80 @ Mar 31 2021, 05:47 PM)
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Yes much better than glazers.At least he has got the passion in CFC.Just like how a die hard fan would collect club jerseys every season.  If u say sukahati fire lampard then if we fire OGS also considered sukahati lo?hahaha just wait end of the season to judge everything. Tuchel is doing so well what
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I will suffer if the club lost its identity

Mourinho - Defensive style and counter attack
Tuchel/Sarri - Possession based football


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QUOTE(yhtan @ Mar 31 2021, 05:57 PM)
I will suffer if the club lost its identity

Mourinho - Defensive style and counter attack
Tuchel/Sarri - Possession based football
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And chelsea won 5 EPL titles since Abra took over? 😊😊

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