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and85rew
post Mar 16 2021, 10:18 AM

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if barca buy vdb
it will be xavi/iniesta 2.0
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post Mar 16 2021, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(IpohGuyz @ Mar 16 2021, 09:58 AM)
Ya pity him haha. Dunno what happen to him. If play style issue, then i doubt it's ole want sign him. Not that ole has agenda on him. Diallo also got his chance.

He did very well first few games but then become James version lol. Confidence drained
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If VDB came on and played badly then I'd at least understand. He did not play badly when used.
In fact, one of our best midfield performances was in a CL game where we used Fred-VDB and the midfield was just so efficient at moving the ball from defence to attack.

We definitely did VDB dirty here.
The other player we did dirty was Romero. But that's for another discussion.

James only has speed, not much of a footballing brain. Donny is probably looking at him wondering how James can get a game but Donny is stuck on the bench.
James reminds me a bit of Theo Walcott in the early days. Devastating speed, doesn't know how to channel it effectively.
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post Mar 16 2021, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(and85rew @ Mar 16 2021, 10:18 AM)
if barca buy vdb
it will be xavi/iniesta 2.0
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Amen.
If he goes to Barca and pairs with De Jong, it'll be a midfield to watch!

If he continues rotting at United, I really hope he gets a move like that for his career. Guy deserves better.
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post Mar 16 2021, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Mar 16 2021, 10:24 AM)
Amen.
If he goes to Barca and pairs with De Jong, it'll be a midfield to watch!

If he continues rotting at United, I really hope he gets a move like that for his career. Guy deserves better.
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VDB did not get fair treatment, not given enough chances
he is on the move type and will be perfect for barca system
hard for vdb to play with bruno/pogba as they tend to play too much killer balls rather than pass-move type

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post Mar 16 2021, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Mar 16 2021, 10:24 AM)
Amen.
If he goes to Barca and pairs with De Jong, it'll be a midfield to watch!

If he continues rotting at United, I really hope he gets a move like that for his career. Guy deserves better.
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fuhh restore the ajax setup
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QUOTE(and85rew @ Mar 16 2021, 10:27 AM)
VDB did not get fair treatment, not given enough chances
he is on the move type and will be perfect for barca system
hard for vdb to play with bruno/pogba as they tend to play too much killer balls rather than pass-move type
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I'd like to expand on the last point as I think players like Bruno and Greenwood are the type comfortable with pass & move.
Players like Fred and McTominay, less so.

Fred is pass and watch it go to the opponent.
McTominay is pass, and then gaze admiringly at the pass while it finds your teammate.

VDB's appearances have mostly been in place of Bruno, which means he usually needs to dovetail with Fred or McTominay. Sometimes both.
One thing fans may have noticed is the amount of runs VDB makes and how a lot of times to goes wasted as his teammates don't find him. I regularly see him passing to his midfield partner, making the run and then Fred or McTominay passes it backwards to the defence.

Which brings me to the sideways-backwards passing rate.
Van Gaal was widely panned by fans for his team making a lot of sideways or backwards passes. I'd like to see the passing map for Fred and McTominay. Does their sideways/backward pass rate match the stats of Van Gaal's midfield?

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post Mar 16 2021, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Mar 16 2021, 10:22 AM)
If VDB came on and played badly then I'd at least understand. He did not play badly when used.
In fact, one of our best midfield performances was in a CL game where we used Fred-VDB and the midfield was just so efficient at moving the ball from defence to attack.

We definitely did VDB dirty here.
The other player we did dirty was Romero. But that's for another discussion.

James only has speed, not much of a footballing brain. Donny is probably looking at him wondering how James can get a game but Donny is stuck on the bench.
James reminds me a bit of Theo Walcott in the early days. Devastating speed, doesn't know how to channel it effectively.
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I disagree

when VDB as no.6 or no.8. At some game when i watch he played as double pivot midfield, his positioning is awful, when Mctom make the forward run, he should stay back at midfield, but he made forward run and making the midfield expose nakedly. Opponent can just counter attack u anytime when u lost possession when scenario like this happen. I read some statistic that his forward pass is quite low compare to Fred and Mctom.

The above scenario made OGS move him back as no.10, but he does not has the impact like Bruno did. I can say he is suffering first season due to different league and different playing style between Man Utd and Ajax.
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post Mar 16 2021, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(Azury36 @ Mar 16 2021, 06:55 AM)
The last match game does not justify what Rice is, the reason West Ham/Moyes played with 5 defenders(thou on paper 3-1-4-2) but most of the time 5 at the back which he lacks an option to pass at the upfront

I watched him play against Spurs and Leeds which is a similar formation that Ole do  4-2-3-1. He is far better on defence than Mc Tom/Fred combined and his passing far better than  Fred/Ndidi(which United interested to buy)

Yes he is far from perfect in fact he is not as world-class as Kante, Roy Keane, Viera but he just 22 years and captained, he can improve more. And Ole really wants him on last transfer windows

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The problem is the price tag, 100M GBP is too much.
Let the price tag alone, Thomas Partey is only 45m GBP, Frenkie de Jong also signed for €75, one and half year ago nia.
While Rice is 100M GBP, during pandemic? And West Ham for sure will ask for more.

Don't just look at the price tag, look the financial situation.
We need to buy CB, Striker, RW, and DM.
It is like every ideal candidate for each position, the transfer price will be at least 60M each.
Where got so much money ...

And this is exactly why I don't like OGS purchasing style, ALWAYS look for high price player.
Until now, I also don't think Captain and AWB worth their price.

Look at Arsenal, Thomas Partey for 45M GBP, what a deal, damn.
Everton Allan, £25M, what a bargain, even on his age.

OGS? Keep asking for Haaland, Grealish, Rice, Sancho.
All the price tag is at least 100M GBP each, he think we are PSG and Man City?

This post has been edited by KennRicky: Mar 16 2021, 12:35 PM
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post Mar 16 2021, 01:23 PM

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Rumours only. We r linked to almost every good players haha try read manunews.com lol
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Mar 16 2021, 11:50 AM)
I disagree

when VDB as no.6 or no.8. At some game when i watch he played as double pivot midfield, his positioning is awful, when Mctom make the forward run, he should stay back at midfield, but he made forward run and making the midfield expose nakedly. Opponent can just counter attack u anytime when u lost possession when scenario like this happen. I read some statistic that his forward pass is quite low compare to Fred and Mctom.

The above scenario made OGS move him back as no.10, but he does not has the impact like Bruno did. I can say he is suffering first season due to different league and different playing style between Man Utd and Ajax.
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The regressive nature of a double pivot defensive team definitely does not suit VDB's strengths.

QUOTE(KennRicky @ Mar 16 2021, 12:34 PM)
The problem is the price tag, 100M GBP is too much.
Let the price tag alone, Thomas Partey is only 45m GBP, Frenkie de Jong also signed for €75, one and half year ago nia.
While Rice is 100M GBP, during pandemic? And West Ham for sure will ask for more.

Don't just look at the price tag, look the financial situation.
We need to buy CB, Striker, RW, and DM.
It is like every ideal candidate for each position, the transfer price will be at least 60M each.
Where got so much money ...

And this is exactly why I don't like OGS purchasing style, ALWAYS look for high price player.
Until now, I also don't think Captain and AWB worth their price.

Look at Arsenal, Thomas Partey for 45M GBP, what a deal, damn.
Everton Allan, £25M, what a bargain, even on his age.

OGS? Keep asking for Haaland, Grealish, Rice, Sancho.
All the price tag is at least 100M GBP each, he think we are PSG and Man City?
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The price of a player is not down to Ole. It is Matt Judge, our Director of Football Negotiations.
Partey cost 45M for Arsenal, if he had come to United instead it is easy to imagine the price tag being 80M.

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post Mar 16 2021, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Mar 16 2021, 01:24 PM)
The regressive nature of a double pivot defensive team definitely does not suit VDB's strengths.
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He has to adopt to the team playstyle, if can't then he might leave on this summer for team suitable for him.

On the other hand, OGS is reportedly obtain a new contract of 9mil per year, this summer he has 80mil to spend, have to sell Lingard, Perreira in order to raise fund.
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Mar 16 2021, 02:26 PM)
He has to adopt to the team playstyle, if can't then he might leave on this summer for team suitable for him.

On the other hand, OGS is reportedly obtain a new contract of 9mil per year, this summer he has 80mil to spend, have to sell Lingard, Perreira in order to raise fund.
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Better offer at end of season. We all know what happen if sign too early
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post Mar 16 2021, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(IpohGuyz @ Mar 16 2021, 02:50 PM)
Better offer at end of season. We all know what happen if sign too early
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Agreed, can negotiate now but sign by end of season.

Kayu has made a huge mistake by giving Moyes 6 years contract and Mourinho contract extension before the season end.
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post Mar 16 2021, 04:58 PM

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Maybe VDB was an investment anyway, to buy and sell off for profit.....
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post Mar 16 2021, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Mar 16 2021, 04:58 PM)
Maybe VDB was an investment anyway, to buy and sell off for profit.....
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actually i never rmb we sell any players off for profit before...
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post Mar 16 2021, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(zhou.xingxing @ Mar 16 2021, 05:21 PM)
actually i never rmb we sell any players off for profit before...
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Got ah. Ronaldo........
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post Mar 16 2021, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Mar 16 2021, 01:24 PM)
Partey cost 45M for Arsenal, if he had come to United instead it is easy to imagine the price tag being 80M.
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45M is release clause la ~
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post Mar 16 2021, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Mar 16 2021, 05:22 PM)
Got ah. Ronaldo........
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80m ronaldo... which we bought for 18m? after 10 years. is it us selling at a profit? or us selling at a loss? tongue.gif
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post Mar 16 2021, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(zhou.xingxing @ Mar 16 2021, 05:33 PM)
80m ronaldo... which we bought for 18m?  after 10 years. is it us selling at a profit? or us selling at a loss?  tongue.gif
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I think still untung if inflation factor in.. but we lost in that deal. If he stayed with rooney... 2-3 more champions League liao
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Mar 16 2021, 05:47 PM)
I think still untung if inflation factor in.. but we lost in that deal. If he stayed with rooney... 2-3 more champions League liao
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RM came and ronaldo wants to leave. he stays another season because of SAF

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