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post Mar 4 2021, 08:15 AM, updated 2 months ago

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https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...faulty-new-car/
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Court awards RM90,000 to company unable to use faulty new car

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February 15, 2021 8:55 AM

The court was told that a company had to spend RM200 a day to rent a vehicle while its new car was being repaired for more than two years.

JOHOR BAHRU: A company has been awarded RM90,000 in damages against a vehicle distributor for the loss of use of a new car.

Sessions court judge Mabel Sheela Muttiah said Poratha Corporation Sdn Bhd had on the balance of probability proved its case against FA Wagen Sdn Bhd.

She allowed the plaintiff’s claim for RM1,779 as special damages and RM88,300 for the loss of use of the car and interest as mentioned in the statement of claim.

On March 15, 2013, the manager of Poratha Corporation bought a Volkswagen Polo Sedan 1.6 for about RM105,000 for his wife to send their children to school.

A month later, the company took delivery of the car but encountered problems, including mechanical faults and defects. As a result, it was unable to use the car from Sept 27, 2013 to March 17, 2016.

When the car was left at the defendants’ service centre for repairs, the plaintiff had to hire another car at RM200 a day from Oct 15, 2013 to March 13, 2016.

At the time, it said the car was still under warranty and the defendant was obligated to carry out the repairs and rectify the defects for the car to be road worthy.

In her 18-page judgment, Muttiah said based on evidence by two witnesses and also on documents, there were “real and fundamental ” defects to the car and the defendant had failed to rectify them within a reasonable time.

She said the plaintiff inevitably sustained losses as it had to continue paying for the car’s hire purchase instalments on the one hand but was not be able to use it, on the other.

She said the Consumer Protection Act 1999 states that there is an implied guarantee that the goods supplied to a consumer shall be of acceptable quality.

“The court finds that the statutory provision of ‘acceptable quality’ and ‘fit for purpose’ is wholly applicable in this case,” she said.

Unfortunately, in this case, she said, it was clear from the documentary evidence the car had numerous defects with its gearbox and engine mounting.

Further, as ridiculous as it may sound, the battery and the tyres of a new car had to be replaced within a short span of time after the purchase, she said.

There was also evidence, Muttiah said, that the car was not safe because of a defective brake disc that caused juddering when breaking, the driver’s seat kept moving and was not locked in a secure position, and the air conditioning was faulty.

She said no Volkswagen expert was called to justify the defence of the distributor.

In a passing remark, the judge suggested that the government should look at the Lemon Law which provided a remedy for purchasers of cars and other consumer goods to compensate for products that repeatedly fail to meet standards of quality and performance.

“The Lemon Law is a remedy for purchasers of consumer products, particularly motorised vehicles, that repeatedly fail to meet the standards of quality and performance,” she said, adding that Singapore has such legislation.

FA Wagen has filed an appeal in the High Court.
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post Mar 4 2021, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(ayam_kampung @ Mar 4 2021, 08:28 AM)
Mimpi lah bolehland can table lemon law
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The won case was in JB . Lemon law was mentioned by the judge. It does not really matter , with this as a precedent case, law is on the consumers' side.

The case is however is being appealed by the defendant btw. dry.gif
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post Mar 4 2021, 08:51 AM

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QUOTE(kira_88 @ Mar 4 2021, 08:37 AM)
lol free car

shit car though if it have to be stuck in workshop that long
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May be that lemon ought to be donated for this pilot project?!

Heartache I am sure it has been, so getting rid of it is surely a relief.

https://www.bernama.com/en/general/news.php?id=1937024
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post Mar 4 2021, 09:03 AM

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QUOTE(littlefire @ Mar 4 2021, 08:48 AM)
This been shared by a lot of forums, it is a VW polo sedan. The problem is how many person got this patient and money to wait & sue for so many years. The car almost 3 years unable to use, if 1 or 2 months no feedback from current SC for sure i gonna tow to other authorize SC to settle or there is some story behind this owner with the SC dealer.
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The point is--- this should apply or could be applied for any car maker or any model really.

This particular car is extreme of course. But for far too long now, consumers have been made victims in situation like this. So it is still good to see a court case turning the tide nonetheless.

Noticed the suit is against the dealer and not the car maker? and that could be be the key? What has the dealer done in those Y E A R S ?! If they have indeed communicated to the car maker to fix the issues, surely it will aid their defence but no witness from VW was called as witness to their defense. So that remains to be puzzling.


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post Mar 4 2021, 09:10 AM

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QUOTE(Stirmling @ Mar 4 2021, 08:53 AM)

If buy car 1 month later cannot use for 3 years, better gift away the car for free lah
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but really, me if my car cant use for weeks due to manufacturing defect i also angry. this guy till few years... sweat.gif
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Not many have the luxury to just give away while still paying the bank monthly instalment.

The purchase was made using a company, and it was smart that the rental payment for the alternative transport should be done using the company as well, so the documents in this case is strong. The owner is really patient and diligently keeping the records and that could be the lesson learnt here
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post Mar 5 2021, 10:56 PM

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It is with much joy we took note of the decision by Sessions Court Judge Mabel Sheela Muttiah that led to a consumer (Poratha Corporation Sdn Bhd) justly winning against the car company (FA Wagen Sdn Bhd).

Over the years, the Consumers’ Association of Penang (CAP) has received numerous car complaints from owners of brand-new cars with multiple defects that should not be present in a new car. Any attempt on our part to reason with the car company and remind them of their duty to provide cars that are fit for the purpose (of use) as stated in the Consumer Protection Act 1999 is promptly shut down by the company. They insist that there are no manufacturing defects as everything is within “specification”, including issues such as persistent grinding and squeaking noises that not only cannot be rectified but their origin cannot even be identified; and that the complainant should just keep bringing their car in for servicing. This is no doubt a means for the car company to wash their hands of the problem once the warranty period has ended.

This kind of irresponsible behaviour exhibited by car companies that operate in Malaysia is horrifying as it is apparent that they have no regard for human life. Any vehicle with an inherent defect that is driven on the road is potentially putting the driver and other road users’ lives at risk.

For us, receiving car complaints is particularly frustrating as the people who come to CAP,more often than not,do not have the financial ability to sue the car company in court, which seems to be the only course of action against the unreasonable car companies.The Manager of Poratha Corporation action of suing the car company is a rare exception. Consumers are often left with a defective big-ticket item that they do not dare use because it could endanger their lives.

On this note, the point Judge Mabel Sheela Muttiah brought up about the Lemon Law is a very important one. CAP has been advocating for introducing the Lemon Law as part of our CPA 1999. In 2018 CAP issued a statement pointing out how having the Lemon Law would benefit consumers. For instance, if there is a defect that appears within a certain period of time (Singapore is the first 6 months and in the US time frame differs by state) and cannot be fixed then the car company cannot insist on endlessly “servicing” the car but must replace it immediately.

It is high time the Ministry properly look into implementing the Lemon Law in Malaysia.


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https://www.thevibes.com/articles/lifestyle...tle-in-malaysia
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Will we get Lemon Law?

Additionally, in a passing remark with regards to this above mentioned case, judge Mable had suggested that our Malaysian government should look into adding a Lemon Law into the books.

“The Lemon Law is a remedy for purchasers of consumer products, particularly motorised vehicles, that repeatedly fail to meet the standards of quality and performance,” said the learned judge, adding that Singapore already has such legislation.


Open can of worms

What Judge Mable has done is to open a new chapter in car ownership in Malaysia as this now accelerates the number of legal cases that will be coming forward from many disgruntled car owners in Malaysia.

The large number of unhappy car owners can be easily seen in the many Facebook postings weekly by owners from various car brands. The lawyer for the plaintiff is going to need to expand their office staffing with the new influx of business.  – The Vibes, February 17, 2021

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https://www.gohedgostan.com/2021/02/pemilik...n-kes-mahkamah/

Yang benar-benar menarik adalah apa yang dikatakan oleh Hakim Mahkamah Sesyen Mabel Sheela Muttiah dalam penghakimannya. Dia memetik Akta Perlindungan Pengguna 1999 yang menyebut bahawa terdapat jaminan tersirat bahawa barang yang dibekalkan kepada pengguna mestilah memiliki kualiti yang boleh diterima.


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post Mar 9 2021, 01:51 AM

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QUOTE(Daylight2018 @ Mar 7 2021, 11:07 AM)
Lousy car dealer
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You have any experience with them, FA ?

I highlighted this before, the suit was against the car dealer and not the car maker VW... so now the said dealer is appealing the case....

As for VW themselves, not so long ago VW actually did this in Malaysia

https://themalaysianreserve.com/2021/01/15/...entre-in-johor/

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QUOTE(littlefire @ Mar 4 2021, 09:53 AM)
Actually not all VW is that bad, this case i believe there is something between the owner and the car dealer.
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Which VW would you recommend? which dealer ?
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QUOTE(teikboon @ Mar 4 2021, 10:44 AM)
hidup lemon
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May be we could have an "application for giving it birth" first like Thailand

https://www.zicolaw.com/resources/alerts/ap...otor%20vehicles.

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QUOTE(littlefire @ Mar 9 2021, 08:58 AM)
I have 2 friends driving the polo sedan 1.6 N/A series. Until today only do normal maintenance with the SC.
The gearbox is the standard 6-speed Aisin Automatic version, they feedback to me not much issue with that variant compare to turbo with DSG gearbox.

If the current SC you went cannot settle your issue, just went to other authorize VW SC to help settle since all are link to VW Malaysia.
Certain SC the technician might be too low par to identify the problem, if they cant settle your issue within few week times is time to move on to other SC or went for outside independent VW specialist mechanic.
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You got a point. Perhaps that is why the suit was against the dealer.

Unfortunately that Polo Sedan IS the same model that IS the defective car in the suit.

Being the cheapest entry level model, I am not surprised that it does not get the TLC.by you know who
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QUOTE(honkit @ Mar 10 2021, 03:17 AM)
Mazda is no different. My car have got vibration when driving at 120-140kmh. In and out sc over 2 years. They tried change this and that, on and off wheel balancing done , tyre change, gear box change. Also same thing. Last last throw one email from mazda japan saying it's the characteristic of the car. Means the car no problem , it's normal .

They didn't wanna admit it's their fault.
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So are you going to sue? Sue who?
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http://www.nccc.org.my/v2/index.php/nccc-d...at-is-lemon-law

Try their help first NCCC
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http://www.nccc.org.my/v2/index.php/nccc-d...at-is-lemon-law

Try their help first re: NCCC
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https://www.thestar.com.my/metro/metro-news...by-faulty-items

Another case involving a RM22k electric bike

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QUOTE(Little White Baby @ Jan 7 2022, 11:49 AM)
Agree, I'm nt gonna sign it unless they change a new one. I told them its not my fault that they registered it.
Siapa panggil dia orang register before car arrive, of course they say its the usual procedure but that
is if nothing happens. Now something happened and since client tak mau, of course they rugi. The car will be a secondhand car now.
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Well well it is about time....

https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2022/08/...s-and-consumers

Govt to propose 'Lemon Law' to protect car buyers and consumers


I hope it sails through
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Some painful stories from Singapore

https://www.asiaone.com/singapore/burning-m...sport-every-day


https://mothership.sg/2022/10/used-car-problem/


https://www.asiaone.com/singapore/hawker-bu...vered-lemon-law

https://www.asiaone.com/singapore/car-buyer...d-then-detained





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NCCC calls for ‘lemon law’ after complaints of defective cars
The National Consumer Complaints Centre (NCCC) says it has received a ‘multitude of complaints’ from buyers on vehicles developing faults within three months of purchase.

FMT Reporters - 27 Oct 2023, 5:41pm


There had been reports of vehicles developing faults within three months of purchase.

PETALING JAYA: A consumer complaints body has urged the government to implement the “lemon law” to protect buyers who purchased defective vehicles.

The National Consumer Complaints Centre (NCCC) said it has received a “multitude of complaints” pertaining to both domestically produced and international cars with reports of vehicles developing faults within three months of purchase.


“These issues remain unresolved, as the cars are continually held for further testing, leaving the complainants without transportation while still incurring costs for an unused vehicle,” it said in a statement.

The “lemon law” is a term used to refer to a legal remedy for consumers who buy defective products, especially motor vehicles, that fail to meet the standards of quality and performance within a certain period of time.

“The law should be implemented across Malaysia to allow consumers to demand a refund, a replacement, or compensation from the manufacturer or dealer if the product cannot be repaired after a reasonable number of attempts,” said NCCC, citing the Malaysian Association of Standards Users.

The “lemon law” would also address the issue of manufacturers or dealers not honouring a car’s warranty, such as ignoring or prolonging repairs until the warranty period ends.

“Consumers are billed for a defect that had been identified a year ago but diagnosed only after the warranty has expired.

“As a result, consumers find themselves responsible for the repair costs associated with the particular defect (when it should have been eligible for warranty),” said NCCC.

NCCC said Malaysia’s Consumer Protection Act only provides basic rights and remedies to those who buy defective products but does not deal with specific issues and challenges faced by defective car purchasers.

In August 2022, the domestic trade and consumer affairs minister said it was looking to improve laws on the sale and purchase of used vehicles, including a proposal to introduce a “lemon law”.

Then domestic trade and consumer affairs minister, Alexander Nanta Linggi, said that the law was important as it would protect consumers from becoming victims of fraud or having to bear losses when buying used vehicles.


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