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TristanX
post May 12 2024, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ May 11 2024, 05:34 PM)
Hmm... you have an Asus mobo so whats your 13th gen SP rating and did you compare with others? I think that might reveal if you got a dud CPU
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My board cant see MC SP rating. Only SP. My CPU is SP 102 which is decent. Apparently, Asus not satifsfied enough to give MC SP rating for RM2k board. Sigh....
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post May 12 2024, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ May 12 2024, 03:22 PM)
CMIIW but good ratings with bulletproof IMC starts about 105-110 ? So maybe yours is a wee bit under where you could have go the mile with XMP...
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There is silicon lottery on MC too. Not just the CPU. You can get 110+ SP and still a chance of having crappy MC.
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post Jul 20 2024, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Jul 20 2024, 11:30 PM)
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https://www.techspot.com/news/103843-intel-...ure-limits.html

We talked about Intels efficiency & performance and it looks like Arrowlake will not be the "IT" to take back efficiency crown from AM5. Looking at the news above, it appears Intel will continue to ramp higher the thermal limit to compete with AM5 IPC gains.

As I said before, its high time Intel needs to replace Cove core with a ground up redesign aimed for a massive IPC boost. As seen by the latest issue, thermal wall limit has ady been reached and breached killing CPUS slowly.
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No info on the process node. Maybe Intel wants to make it miles faster than X3D... Like Sandy Bridge vs Phenom II.
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post Jul 21 2024, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Jul 21 2024, 10:11 AM)
Traditionally on new node Intel would claw back the power/thermal ramp if they know it would give them an IPC edge over AMD. Coz they could then mature the node process and ramp up the power to compete. The prediction is that Lunarlake would go back to 100oC just enforces this idea. But for Arrowlake to start the power ramp game does tell me Intel will continue maintain the high power limit even after a node switch.

AM6 showed good IPC gains per gen, with 9000 Xseries almost on par with 7000 X3D, so if Intel is to target 7000 X3D is just going to lose to 9000 X3D later on. This while keeping nearly same power/thermal limit is impressive compared to what Intel been doing with 13/14 Gen and it appears Arrowlake as well.
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Mlies faster = at least 30% more than 9000X3D. Means probably 60% or more than 9950X. They will go this path if they want to make sure AMD has no counter. We gotta pay for it though. Its not unexpected if Intel gets back the performance crown.

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post Jul 21 2024, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Jul 21 2024, 12:10 PM)
don't think arrowlake will do 60% better than 9950X.

zen5 is amazing for achieving what it has on tsmc n4p node. while arrowlake is on tsmc n3b/intel20a node.
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Raptor Lake = 10nm
Intel 20A = 2nm

Current AMD CPU is TSMC 4nm. Imagine Intel packing at least 400% more transistors if they use 20A, jumping from 10nm. That is a big stepup. The challenge using 20A is the heat when they pump the clockspeed.
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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Jul 21 2024, 12:51 PM)
technically raptor lake is intel7 (10nmESF) equivalent to tsmc 7nm. and intel20A is equivalent to tsmc 3nm. so about 2 generation behind only.

and arrowlake desktop i9 will be on n3b not 20A.
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Nope.
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/int...ything-we-know/

Then again, its all rumors. Just wait for the final product.
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post Jul 28 2024, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Jul 28 2024, 12:07 PM)
MLID? They don't exist for me.
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Aug 17 2024, 11:31 AM)
RMA out of stock.



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Long Intel RMA due to next gen launching soon. Production is a lot less. Just get i5-12400 for ridiculously low prices if you cant wait, or switch to Ryzen (you still have to buy the motherboard).
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QUOTE(sleyer @ Aug 31 2024, 02:01 PM)
need help

this my model
CPU:                          13th Gen Intel® Core™ i7-13700K

also effected ? how to know (symptom)  if my cpu need to RMA ? rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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Play Unreal Engine 5 games like Wukong, First Descendant, Tekken 8. If it crash a lot, RMA it.

Make sure you update BIOS first.

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QUOTE(sleyer @ Sep 2 2024, 07:23 PM)
already test using cinebench  and play the fist descendent  no crash

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You don't have to do those settings with latest BIOS. Just load Intel Default Settings (Extreme).
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QUOTE(Bulbasaurus Rex @ Sep 7 2024, 02:11 PM)
I got a question, wondering to ask. I sent my RMA'd 13700K for claiming warranty, and since then I have yet to receive it due to possible stock issues for 13th Gen Intel.

Shop offered me upgrade to 14700K for RM180, and it's new stock (shop could be lying but I have no clue). Should I take it or just wait for the 13700K from the distributor?
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If it is fresh warranty, take the upgrade. 14700K got extra 4 e-cores. Make sure your cooler and motherboard able to keep up though. It will be hotter and hits your motherboard VRM harder.

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QUOTE(Bulbasaurus Rex @ Sep 8 2024, 04:34 AM)
Thank you for your response! I may need to upgrade my cooling for it. Got a ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 240, running with a Z790 Carbon Wifi from MSI.

I'll let the shop know then. Seems like a reasonable offer honestly. And an upgrade for my system haha
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240 is not sufficient for 14700K. You'll need 360 to keep it happier.

Get Lian Li Galahad II 360 performance. You don't need to modify LGA 1700 mounting. Liquid Freezer II requires you to modify the mounting hardware. Check your PC case for 360mm support though.
https://shopee.com.my/LIAN-LI-GALAHAD-II-TR...54-1773b0838054

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Sep 8 2024, 11:58 AM)
Overpriced. Thermalright Aqua Elite or ID Cool DX360 Max for only half the price of that.
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Didn't know it available here already.
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QUOTE(Bulbasaurus Rex @ Sep 8 2024, 06:24 PM)
Hmm, thanks for the suggestion. I do intend to replace my case with a bigger one. Using a CM H500 atm. I saw Antec releasing a new case soon and it looked like just what I needed.

Do you recommend the Liquid Freezer III by any chance? Saw the reviews and their okay with the price point. New mounting hardware, but I don't mind messing with it.
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Its actually III. Typo. Modifying mounting hardware could potentially void warranty. Just make sure you reinstall the original before sending it for warranty if anything happens. If you are fine with the drawbacks, go for it. Better than Galahad II according to Gamers Nexus. Unless noise isn't a problem, Galahad II is better.

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QUOTE(iZuDeeN @ Sep 12 2024, 10:12 PM)
Guys should I buy a new intel chip now? Or need wait ; I.e new models coming up

What’s the most reliable for gaming nowadays? And which mobo to power with..

99% going to run on stock… so generic / base mobo would do
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Arrow Lake coming out next month if you can wait.
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Just wait for next gen. This is like Zen 1. And last minute cancellation of 20A screws Intel over. Not enough testing on TSMC chips.
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Oct 26 2024, 12:49 PM)
Zen 1 or the new Rocket Lake?  You decide icon_idea.gif

But yeah, it seems like Intel is in big trouble if 18A is a flop sweat.gif

It's also worth noting that Nova Lake isn't arriving any time soon for the next 2 years sweat.gif
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New design. Backside power delivery is one of them.
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Oct 26 2024, 02:12 PM)
Seems like Intel is going all in for 18A hmm.gif
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I hope no more screwups. I feel like they are rushing too fast. Should not have cancelled 20A because I think Arrow Lake is tuned for it.

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Nov 2 2024, 06:36 PM)
Well looks like LNL is an one off it seems:
https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-panther-l...future-products

For me, the whole Arrow Lake launch looks like they're attempting at a complete reset of performance expectations; it's quite obvious they have pushed ADL too much to the point it practically breaks the silicon itself sweat.gif
Let just hope they can compete from an architectural standpoint instead of pushing clocks and powers to unsustainable heights icon_idea.gif
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I think Arrow Lake originally designed for 20A. 20A cancelled on September screwed them over. Not enough time to adapt and test on TSMC chips.
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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Nov 10 2024, 07:22 AM)
LGA 1700= Obsolete
LGA 1851 = Only 1 Gen or 1 refresh (new mobo & DDR5)

AM4 = Obsolete
AM5 = new mobo & DDR5

This year is the worst for Intel , all old gen also cannot upgrade.13/14th issue , new gen expensive.If go for 12th LGA 1700 = stuck forever no upgrade.
Even Ultra 225 I assume will also cost 1k.

So what is the cheapest option ?
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i5-12400 or 14400 or Ryzen 5 7500F. Stop looking and enjoy your PC. Since mobo prices these days are ridiculous, just buy the cheapest.

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