10bit H265. Only real cores got loaded and not using the hyperthreads. Even then not all cores got loaded equally and while some cores got 70% others got about 40-50%. Speed was about 4.2-4.5GHZ. Im not sure if HB is core dependent or speed dependent.

Well there's a lot of caveats to that really. It will depend whether on Win10 or Win11 as the latter is better optimised at thread direction usage. The tester is using Win11 alrite but if it were to redo with Win10 the results is likely to be much different.

Also even with Win11, its still game dependent and older game engines aren't able to optimally use the Pcores; this is mentioned by other reviewers before but I malas to get the links. Anyhow you can see in that utube Average FPS Difference where older game engines AOTS, Riftbreaker, MetroE has negative performance while newer games Hogwarts, MW2, showed positive results.

In the end it really depends if you play older games, do disable Ecores. But if you play more up to date games on Win11, the Ecores will eventually be useful, as it should be.

there's no 616 die for mtl but only 68 die launching end of the year if Intel4 process no problem.

7950X3D is about 1% average better than 13900K
https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_r..._review,30.html
But
13900KS is about 2% average better than 13900K
https://www.techspot.com/review/2607-intel-core-i9-13900ks/

So depending on individual reviewer, Raptor king is still on top or evenly with the new X3D king

For a ADL i7 user, it would be pointless as MTL will only max out at 6 Pcores, unless there is significant boost to Pcore IPC. The gains are mainly in the more Ecores which is useless for gamers. For RKL & ADL i7 users, perhaps the next gen to wait for is Arrowlake(ARL) as its a return back to 8 Pcores.

3 things though:

1) 7800x3D will be much cheaper than the 13900K and will either match or beat it in gaming.

2) Raptor Lake is a dead platform, Zen 4 isn't.

3) Power consumption on the 7950x3D is half that of the 13900k... even less if you set it to prefer the cache CCD.

Work and productivity wise, they're basically neck-and-neck. It depends what you're specifically using it for.
That said, Zen 4 is still quite a flaky platform. Apparently the long-ass POST time will finally be addressed by the time the 7800x3D is released.

This is NOT meant for you. And NOT everyone plays AAA games !
This will suffice for those on shoe string budget or for a secondary rig.
What do u mean by isn't much more expensive ? It will mean a LOT for ppl on budget. 12100f less than 400 , that 12400f abt 700+ bucks. That's 75%++ more to pay out of pocket.
Respect those on Budget, dude.

Repost my comment from another tered
Anything that is made must have a set max limit, CPUS, even super hypercars. Why makers have set electronic limited 300kmph, or 400kmph, is not bcoz the car engine or aerodynamic cannot push it further but bcoz other things ie tyres, gearbox, etc, are not as durable to reach such high speeds. But what happens when the makers offer you an unlimited Ksku hypercar that could go as fast as you can floor the pedal? Well obviously something else happen if you try to drive like that on a daily basis, rite?

The same logic goes with Intel Ksku CPUS, the speed limits are off, the brakes are gone if you dont set any restriction how fast you want to push. If you set your own PL1=PL2=max PBP limit, many dont seem to have this CPU degradation problem.

Is it an Intel fault for unlimited Ksku version CPU? Yes
Is it mobo maker fault for unlimited power setting? Yes
Is it the user fault for not limiting their CPU? Yes
Is it market fault for creating OC'able CPU version? Yes
Is it Intel fault for not telling buyers to get nonK if they dont know what their doing? Yes

When everyone point fingers are each party, everyone is actually at fault too. Peeps should just buy nonK and leave the Kskus to wizards like derbauer or Kingpin. They arent complaining about hardware failures when pushed beyond the limits.

Nope. As a paying customer you should be fully aware of what you bought for. If you buy a high powered car which you could not control, it is not the makers fault if you overrun and crash the car. It is First World lazy hubris to be expecting ignorance is bliss and you are protected from your stupidity.

If you had been running with restrictions from onset, there is little reason to expect to have no further issues, many in Reddit and here attest to that. OTOH if you were running to the limit for so long, its to be expected something would have broken even after reducing the limit. If your car gearbox driven at 300kmph starts to exhibit failures, it wont magically be okay again even if you reduce it down to 200kmph.

Why it happen now? As I said, CPU degradation takes time, the more limit it breaks the sooner it will fail which is why 14th gen was sooner to fail. Intel broke all limits with this gen. OTOH when limits are respected there is no reason to expect it to work until its lifetime with little drama. See 12th gen, does it have the same failures? See nonKs does they have the same failures?

Anyone old enough would remember OCing was never this easy and used to be in the realm of those who actually knew what they doing, where the limits, and the risk, but these days any noob can OC with Ksku and helped by mobos automating these process without the user understanding or control what is happening, and peeps wonder why their OCed CPUS are dying. Hah!

Users complain on issues coz they been running on extreme profile without knowing thanks to mobo unlimited power setup for Ksku, baseline setting was only a recent update which will help fresh or new builds but for those that already have problems there is no saving, see my gearbox analogy.

If you want to know what is CPU baseline supposed to be, this is what





Anything more its no longer baseline, if you dont restrict to these limits its no longer baseline. The problem happens when mobo makers break them.

That means you dont understand the crux of the issue. Running at up to max PBP didnt give problems, it is when mobos push it to 300W and above which is causing the failure.

8700k TDP is max 95W. Going 200W as you claimed is NOT NORMAL OPERATION, doesnt matter if it lasted for years. That was a fluke that nothing happened. Neither does it means it can continue to run 200W without eventual failure.

When power, thermal, voltage limits are respected, most dont have a problem.

Here is where even mobos dont respect Intel limit power profile

https://youtu.be/7Gborxw9Q_M?t=628

Still higher than 253W

Did you not read what I wrote? Kskus will auto boost and maintain due to mobo settings. If want total reliability, get nonK. Look at business workstations, all are using nonK or vpro CPUS.

https://www.dell.com/en-my/shop/pcs-desktop...cision-desktops

https://www.hp.com/my-en/shop/desktops/busi...s-desktops.html

https://www.lenovo.com/my/en/c/workstations...Megamenu_DT_2_3

Not sure why its so difficult to understand. Peeps think Ksku is the default CPU. Nope. NonK is meant to be standard model for 90% users, Kskus are for OCers.

So? One example doesnt make a statistic. And I did read the Reddit post. Doesnt say anything about which laptops or which CPU was on that are failing. Very very very general jobber could say, particularly on Reddit. And there were many that whack that comment for the same thing that I brought up. So unless you have anything else factual to refute what I wrote, anecdotal comment is meaningless to me.

Some, like terradrive, have the impression that a software fix can repair hardware that was showing signs of failing. At least Intel agrees that this microcode is for new and fresh builds. For others, just RMA if you have a problem.

But even with a new CPU, cannot assume to plug in and it will be ok, you still need to go in and manually set the TDP limit both PL1 & PL2 to 253W, and for Asus mobo users to turn off MCE which has tendency to actually override set default limits. This is similar to the earlier year AM5 SOC overvoltage that was cooking Ryzens.

Haters will always hate no matter how irrational or ill informed you are. Next time bring your own thoughts rather than regurgitating what youtubers saying.

I won't say horrible la, price to performance compared to 7700X for example it's just slightly behind.

Also I won't say it's the best gaming CPU but definitely it's best at pushing FPS and also disrupting AMD's own sales of many models.