hmm i dont have a keqing to test this out, but I believe their own element has priority. Like if you use both Chongyun and Keqing's elemental skills, Keqing will still do electro damage.

Although I could be wrong, in the case of hutao and xiao its specifically written "cannot be overridden by any other elemental infusion." but keqing does not have this.

but nevertheless, its still doesn't benefit keqing in anyway to have cryo damage in her blade. Unless you running meme cryo build keqing

This post has been edited by zilch28: Apr 1 2021, 06:46 PM

Good luck man
Here is the video on noelle for fun purpose.
C0


C6
See 2:13, that is what I mean when u had c4 after ur shield ends. 400% of ur attack.

You all misunderstood chongyun skill. His skill had AOE effects. All normal attack inside the ring is converted to Cyro Attack. That means white number(physical attack damage number) change to blue number(cyro damage number).

For electro it is a big no no. As superconduct, u need the white number or physical damage only to had the defense down effect. So if all ur attack convert to cyro then die lar.

I original use razor as main dps, it hurt him most as you can't perform high damage. Surprisingly bow user didn't kena this effect if u use fischl and blast the bow attack whick Oz electro, the superconduct will Jalan.

If Pyro, won't hurt them much as they can use melt reaction which can had high damage.

If hydro, then is frozen.

TLDR: Chongyun ice ring hurt electro character most as cannot perform high damage output.

It hurts almost every non-cryo characters - because of split damage. I cannot think of anyone else who would benefit from it normally other than Kaeya.

What I meant by the meme build was building Keqing for cryo with a cryo cup and 4pcs blizzard set. Pair cryo keqing with chongyun and xingqiu, you get a perma freeze comp that benefits from the blizzard set. So you can go full crit damage with minimal crit rate.

Depends on your build my fischl can use it if u step out ice ring or I use diluc, which I prone to Pyro build rather than physical.
If ur team had 2 cyro and 2 pyro

2cyro - crit rate naik 15% if the enemies kena cyro
2 Pyro - atk naik 20%
*there had other effect but forgot.

I use diluc as main dps. Chongyun ice ring, u had 2 attack pattern
1. Normal attack - fire attack time 3 (diluc fire skill is 3 hit combo but u can alternate with normal attack) then u had 3 times melt reaction

2. Make sure the enemy had cyro condition, keluar Phoenix. I can reach 30k for sepertine 4 stars weapon.

Huhuhu.

For hydro, I use xingqiu, prefer boss character or 1 enemy.

1. Cyro ring
2. Xingqiu elemental burst like gundam bits then just attack, u can frozen the boss till he die, if ur attack is cukup.
3. Of coz u need see ur skill end and try do cyro and hydro element on enemies.

This post has been edited by kcchong2000: Apr 1 2021, 07:26 PM

Chongyun's Elemental Skill affects both physical AND electro melee normal attack, but does not affect Pyro normal attack.

For example Keqing Elemental Skill infuses electro to her normal attack, then Chongyun Elemental Skill converts her electro normal attack to cryo normal attack. Whereas Diluc's Elemental Burst will infuse his normal attack to pyro, but Chonyun's Elemental Skill's cryo won't overwrite Diluc's pyro infusion.

fischl is not affected by it since she is a range character, chongyun's E only affects melee characters.

I did use him with diluc initially, but after awhile I realize chongyun is hurting his dps more than it helps him.

To melt you had to weave normal atk in between, but diluc's ult also infuses pyro element - which makes his attacks much stronger so you'll never want to use normal atk in the first place and thanks to his low ult cost, he'll be ult-ing off cooldowns so basically you'll have a permanent pyro infused blade which makes chongyun kinda pointless in diluc's team.

The other thing is how elements are setup in this game. Because pyro triggered melt will remove cryo in one hit, no cryo characters are able to keep up with how fast diluc applies pyro. So a diluc carry melt comp is actually pretty hard to sustain.

If you wanna maximize diluc's damage, pair him with xingqiu instead. Xingqiu is capable of applying hydro quickly while being off-field and a pyro triggered vaporize will take a few pyro hits before removing the hydro effect, making it possible for diluc to vaporize all of his pyro hits.

A non-c6 bennett however can benefit from chongyun's E since he has to use normal atk in between his E cooldowns. So you get that big melt dmg.

Yup, this is where he shines. chongyun is very good with perma freeze comp. Its the only one that can sustain it well with xingqiu. Hence why he works really nicely with kaeya. You can change kaeya's normal atk to cryo, so he's no longer split damage, but a full cryo damage dealer - benefiting from the goblet fully. This build is one of the reason why I'm hyped for Ayaka, because she can pull this off.

TBH, my diluc is more like Pyro maniac than physical attack. So oddly my pairing with chongyun dish out damage higher than Xingqiu. Don't ask me why.

For now i can fish out 30k with diluc elemental burst. And Xingqiu around 28k. I think the team settings. Coz I use 2 cyro and 2 Pyro when using chongyun. 2 hydro didn't raise crit rate.

This post has been edited by kcchong2000: Apr 1 2021, 08:27 PM

Its because pyro triggered melt is 2x damage, while pyro triggered vape is 1.5x only. The difference is overall dps since you can only melt once on the first hit, but you can vape every single hit so you get 1.5x damage for every hit instead of just 2x on the first hit.

Its sort of system to balance the reactions, those 2x damage like melt and vape has special mechanism

using pyro to trigger melt gives you 2x damage, but removes the cryo instantly
using cryo to trigger melt gives you 1.5x damage, but the pyro remains so you can melt a few times more

same thing for vape

using hydro to trigger vape gives you 2x damage, but removes the pyro instantly
using pyro to trigger vape gives you 1.5x damage, but the hydro remains so you can vape a few times more

Ok thanks for explain.

Nice detail explanation.

chunyun E skill change keqing attacking into cryo. when you are using physical build (your prototype is physical too, need lion's roar for electro), i assume u have a physical artifact. so if ur keqing is inside Chunyun E, your normal attack deal way less dmg.

i will give u another example.

i have a razor, i went farming for a domain which enhance physical dmg. my razor is doing 7k dmg on normal hit, some smart @ss bring in chongyun and change my atk into cyro... im doing 2k dmg + -.

This post has been edited by klthor: Apr 2 2021, 09:30 AM

diluc is good with chongyun because of the consistent melt effect and diluc normally go with crimson set. (normal atk infused cryo + E) three times, then normal atk Q. in addition, chong yun E +8% atk spd.... which kinda meh for keqing, but greatsword user will be happy with any atk spd buff.

but i think overall dmg xingqiu should be more. the flying swords can be 2k + dmg per hit. i have seen a C6 xinqiu with insane flying swords dmg... pair with hutao, man.... i wish i have c6 xinqiu and hutao haha

This post has been edited by klthor: Apr 2 2021, 09:44 AM

Inside Chongyun AOE, Keqing normal attack is infused with cryo. Which is her main source of damage. In this case her Q is mainly use to dodge deadly attacks.

There's a build alright for Cryo Keqing. There's also a build for Pyro Keqing using Bennet. I'm not surprised if Keqing can main all 7 elements with help from other characters in the future. After all, you only need to change the artifacts set.

That's because Diluc skills explicitly states that the pyro infusion cannot be overwritten by any other element.

Because Keqing also infuses her own blade with Electro. So if you use Keqing's E first and then Chongyun's E, which element will keqing have in the end? or if you use chongyun first then Keqing, will it be different?

Yea, in fact, all melee characters can do that too. In the end, the one who would benefit from all these is actually MC, since its the only one that can use all these without sacrificing anything.

C6 Bennet wanted to try that with dilluc too, sad no c6 bennet zzzz....

Many youtuber says c6 Bennett will less powerful.

because the infused pyro, just like the infused cyro of chong yun.

C6 Bennet makes him less powerful to pair with other element who uses normal attack, but if you dont use normal attack inside of his ulti...then its good. if pair with pyro main dps, the extra 15% pyro dmg bonus and also the infused pyro.... maybe its good. they say its bad because bennet is god tier support can go with anyone, C6 makes him ultra good to pyro dps... and the down side is that some of the build cant be good anymore, like the upcoming eula... so C6 seems to limit bennet back into a bit situational support.

This post has been edited by klthor: Apr 2 2021, 12:30 PM

In both case, chongyun skill will overwrite Keqing skill.

Can I ask if I miss any good rewards ?

Was doing Ascension qst for AR45 and click to fast to leave domain after the last electro boss TT.TT when playing on my IP11Pro