enjoying my class is just half the deal, winning is the other. and bullshits like this is keeping me from winning. and there isnt much to prove, unless ur an ignorant fool, almost every top arena player know where the 9 classes stand, the top 4 obvious ones, and on equal mage/sham/druid, and the loser classes - rogue/hunter.

the only thing that needs proving are to those the likes of eternalsomething (lol), which are so ignorant that they'd wouldnt ever accept the truth despite not having a rogue/hunter to pvp of his own to suffer the same fate (assumingly so, as he doesnt understand jack of how the cruel pvp world works. and afaik he didnt post his wow armory profile anywhere, could be wrong though)

probably the only solace id have is pwning noobs, and thats what the rogue is prolly best for. nothing beats mutilating 0 resil nubs that can socre 4-5k without berserking, and with zerking it can go well beyond 5k ish. and the few occassions, like that other day on wsg, theres this 3 rogues running around gankin people together, i happen to get caught in riding my mount towards midfield. the fight ended with my having 900 hp and all 3 of them on the floor. i lol'ed. then i ate their corpses and bandaged, 1 rogue that rez'ed early came for me, he ended up on the floor too. i lol'ed more.

yea, just like how resilience is f***ing over me, my 447 resilience is f***ing over them. irony isnt it?

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Added on September 12, 2007, 6:15 pmi actually wish for the other way around. its easier to tune one class than 8 others. also, imagine all 8 other classes being as strong at the lock... omg back to the world of 1-2-3 shotting? (pre bc, with tbc talents...i pretty much lolpwn everyone with my dual HWL daggers with mutilate lol)
or healers being like... f***ing jesus incarnate (no offense to those who are religious, srsly) himself being like some immortal pouring heals out like nobody's business.

very ugly imo

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Sep 12 2007, 06:15 PM

QFT lol
locks ftl

why are you posting if ur not giving a crap? less BS please?

spamming "haha's" sure as hell aint making you look intelligent, or funny at all, try harder. assumingly ur trying to pull a funny right there. and sarcasm detector detects piss poor sarcasm materials, again, do try harder, maybe you come through in life.

like, we've discovered that he runs the special olympics since page 1 of this thread?

by that it could mean wheel charing all the way

you pretty much blew it on that one. the whole idea is that he doesnt know that all his replies portrays himself as an assface. and unless he lacks a brain, (can never tell on that) he probably knows now.

well we cant know for sure unless we crack open his skull... right?

my god, the ammount of failure contained in this post is of epic proportions that is inconcievable by the likes of us.

WTF IS THIS PENIS?!?!?

way to beat on the deadhorse more nubcake, well no matter, it burns working hours anyways, so here goes:

1) 5v5 doesnt require as much teamwork/co-ordination as you would in 2v2/3v3. watch 2v2/3v3 videos more over 5v5 and if you have a decent brain, you *SHOULD* understand why. (well, thats what i assume, i dont know how much brain power you'd need to understand)

remember blizz toning down 40men raids to 25men? you know whats their biggest reason was? it was so that every individual needs to perform more other than things like hunters afk shotting or 2-10+ people afking and you'd still clear out instances like mc/bwl etc. same goes for 2v2/3v3. in 5v5, even if yours, or your teammates performance isnt top notch, you got other teammates to cover you. weaknesses and class matrix/rockpaperscissors issues are covered up easily as opposed to 2v2/3v3.

if you still wanna argue that shit, go ahead, ur only fighting one retarded uphill battle. the only one DAMN thing that you'd win here is your right bout the q'ing times, but other than that, ur just embarrassing urself. and even with the q times, its not that big of an issue as we get 1-10mins on q's on stormscale (not oceanic timezone based), avg 1-2 mins, not exactly a looooong wait.

2) you wanna start reading my posts clearly and actually applying comprehension to it? letme self quote:
point is simple, that is merely one bg, and its a top bg at that. and thats where most, if not ALL of the top roguesgathered. outside of that bg, rogues that end up with high rankings in 3v3 needless to say 5v5 is so few or even non-existant.

CLEARLY all the skilled players plays rogues only AMIRITE?!

so much fail.

and team pandemic does run 4 dps setup, this is based on what the top players are saying and i dont see why i should doubt them as they are the once playing against pandemic.

A) you wanna apply comprehension more? im pointing out that if ur druid is a single healer in 4 dps, clearly he have to heal, or run for his life from an assist train. and when hes being targeted, you think no one would silence/interrupt him at all while hes trying to cyclone? and did i mention my team in this part? no. clearly, you need to L2Read (AND UNDERSTAND) more.
B) annnddd lifebloom takes no GCD and is spammable just like the priest healing from Ragnarok Online AMIRITE?! ur saying 1-2k (lol 2k lifebloom is impossible, given that druids with ~1.5k +healing only does around 1k+ lifebloom on final tick) lifebloom, provided that there is NO mortalstrike or wound poison, is enough to heal a 5v5 assist train dps right? sure, swiftmend is nice and all, but it has a cooldown. trust me, going on with this argument would no doubt put you in shame.
C) refer to B. clearly lifebloom and swiftmends have no GCD/CD

3) rogues are still shitty compared to say, a warrior. if theres no such classes as the prime 4 (warr/warlock/paladin/priests), id say rogues are f***ing fine. and since when im saying im doing fine? and lol im skilled? im clearly not doing fine or anywhere as skilled as the top rogues, at least imo.

4) so, you getting busted now starts to derail this to my THEORY (which are clearly facts, instead of theories) is as gay as ming now? son, theres a fine line between theories and fact. find that line, and differenciate them, because you are very much failing life already and worse, ur ming bashing when he isnt even in this picture... so... what did he do to you? did he touched you in the no-no's when ur a little boy? lolz.

5) again, you are now either:
shitting words into my mouth, or your assumption of shits are as smelly as a rotten ******* lying out in the sun right after a murder for a week.

so if druids are the always on the all time low as compared to the other healers, that makes them the shittiest class now? i mean, all the while im ranting about rogues/hunters being the shittiest class. how does druids fit in this picture again?

and no, you dont really have to find a damn back position in the arenas, or pvp, or even pve. if ur an adept backstabber dagger rogue, it will eventually be built into you, unless of course, you suck. but i dont see that being a problem in me, or other dagger rogues. unless they are forced to toe to toe with their melee counterparts (warr/rogues) and even with that, you'd still be able to pull it off with either your vast snare breakers, or just mutilating/backstabbing from within their bodies. (if you've played dagger rogue in pvp, you'll understand this right away)

and sorry to not clarify this clearly, the dmg inc on my MH is only taking poisons being applied into the equation, and why not anyways? most of ur targets are gonna be almost perma poisoned, unless its a ice mage that IB, or paladin bubble, or dwarf's stoneskin form. if you wanna add in crits, just double the dmg, add in crit dmg modifiers like lethality, then minus crit dmg reduction modifiers such as resilience, and you'd get that value. simply put, when im critting my mutilates, it wont be just 100-300 dmg inc from using shankers as opposed to shiv.

and no, s1 dagger range is much lower as opposed to s2, and the stats are clearly inferior. buying s1 items when you got access to s2 is like trying to say malchazeen is just as good as lady vashj's fang. and thats what s1 vs s2 is, s1 is equalvalent to tier 1 raiding (kara/gruul/mags) while s2 is equalvalent to tier 2 raiding (ssc/tk).

so how about you start buckling up on your brain department? your entire post thus far is failin in that regards. and FYI, 10 energy bonus was NOT available when i ALREADY had my dual shankers. should i knew blizz is gonna stop being gay and continue on with the gouge cooldown bonus and go with 10 energy bonus on s2 armor, i would've got 4piece over dual shankers without a doubt.

again, have you been reading my posts thoroughly? ill repeat again, with added clarify-
if i have the choice, i would go shankers for s3 AGAIN without a doubt. my reason for shiv over shanker in s3, is because i want dual mongoose proc and poison procs, the 0.4 speed does not give a very significant difference over the lost mutilate and white dmg difference, but i would still need it as it will be better overall for my team, as our primary snare is crippling poison and not hamstring which is very subjective to removal. so go slap yourself for being an utter retard.

watch neilyo 6 will you? xecks is mace spec and he is pretty much one of the top rogues in bg9 (lol its the bg you love so damn much, and you dont know?) and his dmg without crits, are pretty damn pathetic. sure, they can live without it (i mean they have to, else all the damn rogues would be rerolling by now) but compared to other classes, say skillherald warriors, you may as well say they cant.

you know why people(rogue/warr) spec maces over anything else? its only because chain undiminished stun procs (with added skillherald) is clearly superior over other specs. simple as that. but being a rogue, they dont have the same advantage as warr (lol mace proc awards rage, clearly skill based) nor having an added proc from skillherald. arush burst is merely one of the biggest advantage a rogue can offer as their mace spec is very unpredictable as opposed to warrior's and even that is very subjective to counters such as cc on rogue while arush is up or just simply outhealing as combat doesnt offer as much sustained dps in pvp as opposed to mut combat.

just for your fyi, im arguing because im tired of seeing clueless retards posting a plague of penises over the boards (lol raddy). it can be entertaining from certain posters, but yours clearly isnt and you need to GTFO. and you try to point out they are not the shittiest class, where you either have no solid points of arguments to back your shits up, or points that are so weak, they are almost as irrelevant as your shit being flushed down the toilet. so no, rogues and hunters are clearly still the shittiest class as of date.

as for the rogues being noob or not. i mean, yeah, they may be noob, but im DAMN sure they wearing kara until even ssc/tk gears spamming 111111 and 22222222 be it ss/backstab/mutilate/evis etc etc CAN certainly take a person out. not me during that day though. and imho resil plays a damn role into it as im being stunned over 10-15++ seconds yet when i recover, i only lost like 6k hp out of my almost 11k hp... and all it takes from me is 2-3 stabs and they fall cuz of the lack of resil. (lol cb trinket muti for 4-5k instant homerun) id sure as hell wanna see you take on em over me during that day instead of posting so much shits over the boards.

druids are not in the prime 4 nor there is a prime 5. mages/shamans/druids are pretty much on the same lvl as mid tier classes. paladin in pvp is just much more viable than say a druid. druids are just too damn susceptible to cc (dont confuse with interrupts/silences) and their caster form (healing form) is the squishiest compared to other healers (even priest in cloth are much tougher than them due to fear/innerfire and very very solid instant heals compared to druids. (lol priest with 4k+ armor, even tougher than rogues)

pallies needless to say. blessings are just damn powerful, and cleanse that can remove everything except curses. then they themselves are plated and have more base hp over druids (being a plate class and all)

since when bear can go invis :/
point being druids cc will take off a good portion of their healings. and worse if they are forced into bear form.

2v2 yes, but im talking about 5v5.
ur way out of topic in that regards.

pallies *MAY* be overrated, but the fact that there are WAY more paladins in ALL 3 brackets compared to the other 3 healer classes does mean something.
BOSacrifice also negates ccs on paladin. and they have a judge that normalizes move speed. consecrate to anti stealth/snake traps etc etc.
and lol clutch BOP's.
and if the paladin is good at kiting most melee classes, he will get heals off. caster class barely have any impact to healing pushbacks, the only vulnerable side of this is silence from mage/lock/shaman. but with concentration aura, its not that big of a deal, they will be back into healing action much faster than other healers, not to mention theres also instant holy shocks to buy them time. or HOJ's/BOP/Dshields

druid healers are underrated no doubt, but of recent many more resto druids are slowly, but surely climbing to the top to challenge the classic paladin healers in the lower brackets. the ability to cyclone in lower brackets have a much much greater impact than say 5v5. which is one of the biggest advantage a druid have over a paladin.

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Added on September 20, 2007, 1:29 pmnot to intentionaly downplay higher brackets in pvp or the good old 40men raids, its just a happening fact thats rarely spoken of. hell, this is what blizzard mentioned when they were questioned heavily back in the days when they decided to tone down 40men raids to 25.

if you havent noticed in *MOST* high end pvp videos, most 5v5 resolves around "see who zergs the opposing 1st team member the fastest" where by 2v2/3v3 fights are very VERY co-ordinated based. just neilyo's pvp vid alone (6 and 7), if you see his 3v3/5v5, you'll noticed that his play style is mainly just dps'ing down an assisted target ASAP. while his 2v2/3v3 (ESPECIALLY the match vs xecks + secretive, omfg, mega respect in that fight), are so MUCH more co-ordinated, even boils down to multiple 1v1 "duels" switching back and forth, and cc's are much more ultilized than his higher brackets like 3v3 or 5v5.

yes, you will need more alert and learned (you mean skilled? lol) people to play in 5v5, true. however, compare 40men raids and the current 25men. THAT is where my whole point is. and with that i scale it down to pvp to further exercise my point, which still holds true.

and the team you mentioned, is girlzz team, i forgot the team name, but they run an unorthodox spriest/rogue/elem shaman/paladin/warlock as 5th? or mage team. its being published on WOM (gameriot.com/blogs/world-of-ming)

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Added on September 20, 2007, 1:33 pmthat is half the reason, another half is a sudden surge of competitive teams (tourney/sponsored teams) rolling over. and it snowballed all the way to where it is today. not to mention if its a recognized bg, its easier to get team sponsorships as you'll be noticed easier.

what kurei said is true though, mainly imho is cuz they run a pretty wierd 4 dps setup, and being critisized by most.
but, i also made a point that bg9 is simply a collection of most of the best players in WoW. they being good doesnt mean every other (rogues for example) people are as good as them and ultimately mean that one said class (eg: rogues) is working damn fine.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Sep 20 2007, 01:33 PM

well i had a splendid lunch earlier for only rm15, and its in an aircon restaurant too, so ill forgive you

omg no, tonight ill be doing WC with my retardin LOL!

oh the portugese butter chicken was OH SO tasty. we had lunch at an air-con restaurant at brickfields (the same street as the monorial station)

combat mace is basically the best spec in line with combat mutilate, up to preference and style and both specs have pros/cons