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adele123
post Dec 14 2022, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Dec 14 2022, 07:56 AM)
Actually why insurance companies use "agent" or "agency" way to do their business?
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would like to hear your opinion but these are my answers (and my theory) to your question
1) normal people dont wake up one day and say, i want to buy insurance so that i can leave something behind for my loved ones. insurance is sold, not bought. (car insurance is one of the exception to this)
2) it can be complicated. there should be proper need based analysis to ensure customer buy the right thing + if there's investment involved, which many plans sold now are investment-linked plan, customer should be advised accordingly on the investment choices as well.
3) servicing concern - customer dunno what to do when want to claim, change certain things, etc.

funny thing is, it's not unique to malaysia.
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post Dec 16 2022, 08:24 PM

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QUOTE(joice11 @ Dec 16 2022, 02:01 PM)
how to make review? this insurance once enroll need continue pay every year, half way pull out even bigger lost. I also have education insurance fund and almost same case with johnc3, at lost now, 3 years to mutual. hopefully can get break even
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Insurance is really not meant for savings purposes. If buy education savings plan, you "earn" tax relief and hope the plan breakeven then is win liao. Provided you get tax 20+% and the whole 3k is needed for tax relief.
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post Jan 27 2023, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(lawrencehl @ Jan 27 2023, 08:27 PM)
Hi all, is there any insurance company have similar program like AIA vitality?
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Short answer: No

Long answer: some tried to have a 10% 20% of aia vitality but macam all dead or half dead


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post Jan 28 2023, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(lawrencehl @ Jan 27 2023, 10:32 PM)
Hi,

Recently I just signed up for the vitality program, found out it is a quiet good program because I not really need to do any extra as my lifestyle already already fit the requirements and I think just few months more I can achieve platinum level and get the extra benefits coverage without paying extra.

I'm asking this because I plan to make some adjustment on my policy coverage see whether should I top up or go for other policy.

I'm thinking to increase my CI coverage to 200k and if budget allow maybe life/PA as well, any advice on it? I'm eyeing on beyond critical care as well, as it able to enjoy the vitality extra benefit but not sure how much is the premium for it.

Current paying 300/month, try to control within 350
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Ppl like you memang should continue with aia vitality. You got dependent? Any rush to increase life?

As for CI, i agree, 200k better. I myself increase coverage for ci also last year.

I saw your plan, it's like "nasi lemak" plan from agent i think.

If budget constraint, i suggest remove hospital income.

Hospital income means when you stay in hospital, you get rm x per day. If you are salaried employee, who gets MC, i dont see why you need this rm x per day. It may make more sense for self employed. But some people do think this is necessary, hence it's part of the "nasi lemak". I am on the side of "buy for what"?

Are you eyeing a-life beyond critical care? You probably will achieve the yearly bonus or something as platinum aia vitality member.
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post Jan 28 2023, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(lawrencehl @ Jan 28 2023, 11:59 AM)
Yes, ur right. I'm going to married soon so I would like to make some adjustments on it.
Life I think will maintain 100k first until I have children then will review back financial status see whether to increase or anot. As currently I think my asset able to cover it in case anything happen.

I will focus on increase CI 200K first.

I plan to remove hospital income as you said because in case anything happens I can claim MC or hospitalisation leave up to 60days.

I plan to add PA 200k, not sure 30/month able to make it or not?
a-life beyond critical care look good but the annual premium if I'm not mistaken is around 3k+ for my age 32

Btw my current CI plan is cover 36types is that sufficient because I saw a-life beyond critical care cover 76types
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This one you discuss with your agent. But you can ask him whether there is option to add 75 CI in your current plan, A-Life Link.

Cause 3k per year, not a small amount of money also. Cause later down the road, you may want to save this money to increase/add life coverage when got more dependent.
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post Jan 29 2023, 06:27 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 28 2023, 01:43 PM)
Keep in mind for everything you add  to your ILP, the less sustainable the current premium going to be. I.e you need to topup somewhere in the future or you need to increase the amount of premium you pay. Something to keep in mind.
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Erm... Yes. You are repeating, that is why the person who posted expected to pay more. That additional premium will help with the sustainability. It may still be insufficient but in theory, it helps.
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post Feb 11 2023, 07:57 AM

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QUOTE(fightcovid @ Feb 9 2023, 11:58 PM)
What you guys think sbout Allianz HealthInsured? It seem less people talking about Allianz here.
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QUOTE(fightcovid @ Feb 10 2023, 11:19 PM)
Any 'reliable' Allianz agent in Penang? tongue.gif
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Rarely people bring up a specific product to discuss. Usually whichever agent approach them, half the time, i dunno custimer know that their product got canggih names.

As in all things, do not compare only one aspect, should look at overall paclage, budget and benefit.

Also, these day and age, still need face to face? So old fashion ka?

Some may approach you here in LYN, if you so intrrested, can drop interest at allianz website. Most company SOP is they will arrange agent to call you.

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post Feb 12 2023, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(zannisenhart @ Feb 11 2023, 12:40 PM)
Ok if any1 can tell which insurance support this. Will check as well. For now not thinking to change company nor in next few years..
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Quite many companies do have this deductible option. In different deductible amount. Do shop at least 2 companies.

So myself, my medical plan is on 15000 deductible. I'm gainfully employed and sufficiently covered by my company.

The problem now is. When i reach retirement age, i'm not sure if i can lower down the deductible to below 15k. Hahaha.

Few years back, got one company offer, to automatically reduce deductible at age 60 (or 55 i forgot the exact age but it tallies with retirement). So example, productive years could be 50k, then retirement is 0 or 500 or low amount. So this is good. Downside was, the age was fixed. So if you retire early, the deductible abit kik sui and of course assuming you can always stay employed until that age. Haha


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post Mar 15 2023, 06:16 AM

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QUOTE(likitsaelee @ Mar 15 2023, 01:37 AM)
Hi, need advice here.

So my dad have been diagnosed with Wolff-Parkinson-White Syndrome, a genetic heart disease that required minor surgery in the heart. He has attended check up in public hospital and they're scheduling an operation for him.

However, the public hospital is asking us to purchase medical devices. As the public hospital cannot include the medical device fees in their bill, which is RM15k, there is no way we can claim the insurance if we do the operation in public hospital.

I wonder if the above statement is true? We could transfer him to private hospital to claim the insurance, but I feel it's quite a hassle as we already been follow up in public hospital. The treatment in private hospital will cost around 50k-80k, and his insurance limit is only 225k.

Thanks in advance!
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Call the insurance company and asked what is the process. You probably have to pay and claim later

I just dont understand why the thing is not in the bill. Maybe GH problem but weird to charge you and not give you some b&w thing.
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post Mar 15 2023, 06:18 AM

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QUOTE(RiriRuruRara @ Mar 14 2023, 01:24 PM)
Hi last question here, if change/upgrade current insurance plan to another plan but with same company. Do you need to start everything all over again like go take blood test, 100 days cannot make claims with new plan etc etc?
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The 100 days cannot claim is not true la. The contract will usually say something like, if you change/upgrade plan, during the waiting period, they will base it on the old plan.

Unless got special offer from the company... then ^ should be in your contract of the new plan or even the current plan.
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post Mar 15 2023, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 15 2023, 10:22 AM)
The cooling period is in the event one gets diagnosed with stuff like diabetes, high blood pressure etc the insurance will not cover you.

If simple stuff like food poisoning, fever still cover.

But to be safe to ensure that the insurance company don't reject you, to use the insurance after the contestability period (1-2y). By then insurance usually will approve everything (depending 9n what the doctor writes)
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I know you are not from this background hence the example quoted is abit off.

If diabetes, confirm upgrade decline. Dont even need to think.

My question was specifically to answer "can he/she still claim when pending for upgrade", so i say yes, still can.
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post Mar 16 2023, 07:29 PM

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QUOTE(koja6049 @ Mar 16 2023, 05:32 PM)
Thanks for sharing. Do you know what is the maximum age limit for these policies? The new ILPs currently is at 100 years old. The old policies my parents got was only up to 70, that's why we ran into the problems i mentioned. So far my father's lapsed first as he's past 70, we hunted around for a new standalone and only manage to get extra 10 years, premium rm5k per year, and only covers annual rm50k. It's from prudential, very expensive in my opinion. My mother's will lapse in 3 years time and we will have to start hunting again....
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Is your mum's standalone medical as well?

I would suggest you hunt now. To cost control the premium, do consider getting a plan with coinsurance or deductible. My mum is age 70 and i'm paying 7k for her standalone medical insurance. If you can get something like 1k deductible that would be good. Or 10% coinsurance also ok. Deductible or coinsurance is an amount you have to pay when hospitalised.

Medical plan without deductible or coinsurance will be horribly expensive for parents. I can afford to pay 10% or 1k.

I actually tried to apply lonpac for my mum, but didnt get approved. Lonpac was cheap and was with deductible, i forgot the amount but i was comfortable with it. Cheaper and has higher annual limit than my mum's plan. Sigh...

EDIT: the lonpac plan deductible was 6k. Maybe not the best example. But i hope i point you in the right direction. I really regret not getting the deductible version for my mum when i could have.

My mum generally healthy so that's why i ok to pay deductible.

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QUOTE(koja6049 @ Mar 16 2023, 07:38 PM)
my mom's one is ilp but only 3 years to go. Cannot be extended that's why need to search for standalone one.

my father's one deductible is 2k that's why cheaper premium 5k. But the issue is the annual coverage is so little around 50k, if really got serious illness the amount is not enough. Mind if you share what's the annual limit you got for you mom?
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Annual limit 100k. Increase from 90k i think.

Yikes. Deductible 2k still 5k. But sadly, parents getting older. Still. Ok la. Male more expensive usually also.

Your mum's ILP, can consider asking the insurance company can extend and or got options. If really no then no. Worth asking leh. Send an email ask, ok geh.

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QUOTE(Gaza @ Mar 17 2023, 08:54 PM)
https://howtofinancemoney.com/best-medical-card-malaysia

I was reading this and realised that insurance companies have increased annual limits to RM2-3m compared to around RM1m few years ago when i was looking to buy medical insurance. Is this because they expect RM1m annual coverage wont be enough in the next 30 years? Then in the next 5-10 years the "normal" annual limit offered by medical insurance will be RM4-5m? How to know what would be the ideal insurance limit in 30 years from now?
Do deductible medical insurance and non-deductible medical insurance share the same pool? I would imagine the claims % for deductible pool would be lower hence the lower premiums - which does make deductible option more attractive to someone like me.
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at this point, 1mil is way way way more than sufficient. assuming normal-ish inflation. but of course, i can't tell the future. if in future inflation is 20% a year like turkey or something then i dunno la.

different companies probably pool things differently. so i dont think someone would be able to answer that question directly. in theory it should be different pool. but even if it is not, really, should just buy some low deductible medical plan to reduce the overall cost of insurance premium.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 19 2023, 09:06 PM)
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If you already did this step, you already know the commission column for your 1st image is on the same page, just 2nd last column (should have title total distribution cost). this column is the charges by insurance company, NOT the commission. so your calculation is wrong. FOR the same premium, commission for ILP is lower than the total 171% you have calculated.

having said that those are total commission, does not go to one person

QUOTE(Gaza @ Mar 18 2023, 11:53 PM)
The thing i scared about non ILP medical cards are that since they are renewed yearly and dont have guarantee renewal is that if suddenly 1 year kena something bad, then they dont want to renew for the following year? Or they will allow to renew with huge loadings or a lot of exclusions?

I also thinking getting those 10 year term life and term CI, then maybe ILP medical card due to the concerns above.

Can anyone help understand this insurance lingo if this plan is level term and no increase with age? As i understand under C(4) it should be. Thanks
https://www.fwd.com.my/direct/FAQ.-oonA.pdf
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for the FWD product, you can just do a quotation, get the sales illustration and see. i think it's expected to be level but FWD unlikely guaranteed it to be level but highly highly unlikely they will increase the price for something that covers death and TPD, due to nature of the takaful model. abit hard to explain, you gotta take my word for it.

if you already intend to get CI, i suggest get your CI together with your medical under one plan in ILP. get Early CI coverage if can.

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 20 2023, 08:31 PM)
Thanks for the correction. I totally forgot about that column. Surprising they did not publish commission for standalone. But if were we to compare apple to apples (total distribution cost), ILP distribution cost > standalone.

Why not go via standalone cards and standalone critical insurance that provide early CI? I am going via this route though.
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Mcd Value Meal. Same reason you dont order a la carte at mcd.

Same reason i dont recommend getting standalone. BUT... do your own research. If you see ordering a la carte is cheaper, than by no means go ahead. Maybe i should explain it better in future.
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QUOTE(MUM @ Mar 20 2023, 08:50 PM)
i think the main obstacle is having seeing the "amount" of commission being paid to the agent as per what the Spore bloggers posted as mentioned in his post 3019. also he may have this in mind, Why pay agent for their holidays abroad?

i also don't really care how much the premium can be saved NOW,...as the premium can be adjusted upward again and in frequencies that can be so frequent and so large a quantum
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I can only say this. For overseas, it is also agents to sell insurance. Could be agents like the one in malaysia or those relationship manager sitting in bank or both.

In malaysia, since my fresh grad until now, for the last decade, there is slight improvement. One can buy life insurance online. Car insurance confirm can buy online nowadays. But how many ppl really will wake up one day and say i want to buy insurance and go do their research on the internet and buy online witbout agent? Very little. Car insurance dont count cause mandated by law. I am not in the business but gut feel, post covid, more ppl are finding travel insurance important

But majority still go through agents for more comprehensive or complicated offerings.

Got change ya. Can buy online now. If more ppl buy online, insurance company maybe more willing to invest into online channel. Who knows...


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QUOTE(ahinigami @ Mar 26 2023, 12:53 PM)
Hey guys, wanted to get a second opinion on Hong Leong Assurance (HLA) MediShield III medical card.

A bit context about myself, I’m currently working in Malaysia but will be going back to work in Singapore next year, so I needed a medical card which could cover my stay in both Malaysia and Singapore. I’m currently using AIA medical card which from my understanding is covering hospitalisation in both country.

An agent is recommending HLA MediShield card and said that this card could be used for hospitalisation in Singapore. After reading the product fact sheet, it seems to be cover some specific procedure in Singapore such as surgery related to cancer but it doesn’t seems to mention in the policy it would cover other hospitalisation charges in Singapore.

When checking with the agent, he was pretty sure it has similar coverage just like the AIA medical card, anyone is familiar with this topic?

Personally I’m quite interested in the deductible HLA offered and the cheaper premium it has but definitely not worth it if it won’t cover my hospital bill in Singapore
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Dont buy HLA for the purpose of covering you when you work in singapore. Get a proper one in singapore.

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QUOTE(GilaGorengMaggi @ May 7 2023, 12:37 PM)
definitely no, i am considering increasing to 50k-100k depending on the options i have. should i consider maintaining the current policy and contact GE to increase the sum assured? or if the benefits is not up to date based on latest standards, should i cancel it and go for a new policy?
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Deduction based on what you share:
The policy your dad bought is with cash bonus. This kind of plan is usually cost abit more due to the potential return. The protection element is semi useless at this day and age since we know 15k not gonna bring us anywhere if you get really sick.

If you want to increase coverage, you probably need to get a new plan. Then anything you have now, you need to separately evaluate whether it makes financial sense to keep or not to keep.
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QUOTE(netcrawler @ Jun 9 2023, 01:05 AM)
For insurance, if we fully withdraw the cash bonus or surviving benefit, will the policies being terminated. Any other impacts  if we perform withdrawal if policy still in force?
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For old participating policies, you should be able to wothdraw the cash bonus. Usually other cash payment also withdrawable with no impact aside from you missing out on the interest.

The reason i'm commenting is because these are just general guides. Ultimately you should read the contract and understand your policy because it can vary. What other terms and conditions should somethinf happen.

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