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post Jun 7 2021, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jun 7 2021, 05:38 PM)
hmm.gif just asking,
will this "auto extend" be subjected to underwriter review at that time (60 yrs old),...example review of existing medical condition?
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No, it'll not be subjected to underwriting for the auto extension.
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post Jun 7 2021, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jun 7 2021, 05:42 PM)
what about, will it be subjected the review & declaration of medical condition?
or it will just be auto acceptance regardless of preexisting med conditions?
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It's an auto extension without any conditions as long as you continue to pay for the new premium
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post Jun 8 2021, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(Irzani @ Jun 8 2021, 04:34 PM)
Hi everyone .. I might be posting in a wrong topic .. but perhaps anyone know where I can get this kind of medical card.

My previous company provides a medical card that covers my parents (RM 4,500 annually - MiCare). But since I've joined a new company, my parents are reluctant to use the Cash or debit card that I gave them for medical usage. They prefer to pay by themselves (using their pension) or might choose not to go if not critical.

But, I want them to enjoy the privilege's that they have enjoyed for several years. There is no use of having a high salary but cannot contribute to parents.

Therefore, the only other way is I prepare the same type of medical card like what previous company provides. I'll try to find other excuses so that they will use the card for medical usage.

Is there any debit medical card that is available in which I can automatically deduct from my bank salary every month? In US, they called it as Health Care Payment Card. Such card is exist?

Note: Both of my parents are over 66 years old.
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I find this arrangement really unusual, it seems that your parents don't want to spend your money?

In that case, giving them any type of card would be treated the same - they would just refuse to use it.

The other method is to get them to use their IC number when it comes to claim. I guess in a way, they would "feel" that they are not using a form of insurance. If the recommendation fails, I guess you have no choice but to let them have their own way of dealing with it like what you've mentioned "They prefer to pay by themselves (using their pension) or might choose not to go if not critical."

You can probably set another pool of fund for their hospitalization/medication.
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post Jun 8 2021, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(Irzani @ Jun 8 2021, 04:44 PM)
Thank you for the feedback. Kindly please elaborate a little bit on this .. what kind of services is this?
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hospitals can refer to your insurance based on your IC number.

You can register to any insurance company for a medical policy for your parents.
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post Jun 8 2021, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(Irzani @ Jun 8 2021, 05:33 PM)
Thank you. But medical policy is for hospitalization right? Any chances it would cover outpatient? Or perhaps, any chances I can go to their favorite clinic, deal with the clinic .. whenever, they show up and provides their IC's, they don't need to pay anything. All the expenses to be automatically charged on my card.

I'm trying to encourage them to go to clinics whenever they feel sick or want to see Dr. Without the card, it is quite impossible for them to go to the clinics like what they frequently do when I was in the previous company. It's "tak apa" or "sikit je" or "tak mahu menyusahkan" attitude.

If I'm with them 24/7 ... then, there is no issue, I'll myself bring them to the clinics or hospitals and pay for the expenses.
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No such benefit at this moment for personal insurance.

You may subscribe under the company insurance for it.
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post Jun 8 2021, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(ryan18 @ Jun 8 2021, 10:29 PM)
Hi I have same question,
I currently have Prulink one with Pruvaluemed 1m with RM300 medsaver bought in 2016
And I do have a pre-existing condition (heart prolapse), and also 2 cases of abscesses(tight and abdomen) in year 2020 of which 2 daycare procedure were performed to remove it
Recently, I had a policy review and suggested that I change my insurance to Allianz Powerlink which has no deductible and provides a more comprehensive coverage (medical card, CI, life, PA, TPD) for a cheaper rate
My concern is will the abscess cases be considered pre existing condition under the new policy under Allianz or will it be covered subject to waiting period
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wink.gif PruValueMed is already providing a good coverage, and as you mentioned which such pre-existing illnesses, there might be a chance that your new application may be decline / exclusion / loading / postponed.

That being said, I hate to break it to you but the Allianz agent is most likely conning you on the "cheaper" rate. <--- if you're not sure about this part, just share the full quote by that Allianz agent + your status [DOB, Smoker or not, occupation] and also what you have in your existing policy.

I'd like to structure my question as below
1. What's your objective right now?
2. Do you understand what are you looking for right now?
3. Do you understand what was "reviewed" ?
4. Do you understand where is your personal finance is at, right now?


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post Jun 8 2021, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(ryan18 @ Jun 8 2021, 10:59 PM)
This is my full policy detail
Age: 30
Non smoker, working in office
Pruvalue One RM132/month going to be revised to RM150 in July
1. Pruvaluemed 1m
R&B RM100
Deductible of RM300
Annual limit RM 1m, lifetime unlimited

2. Prucash RM261
Death benefit RM20,000
Accidental death RM20,000
TPD RM20,000
RM1,200 survival benefit per year from policy year 2

3.Sunlife Sunlink RM200
Death,TPD RM 132,000

The Allianz plan offered/shared:
Allianz powerlink RM 200
R&B RM200
No deductible
Annual Limit 1.5m, lifetime unlimited
Early stage CI 100,000
PA 100,000
Life/TPD 100,000
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Interesting, I'm literally looking into my device now and the minimum premium should be RM235 monthly but you said your agent can get @ 200/m?

That being said, your term of coverage is only for 25 years @ 235 monthly. I can't imagine what's that like with 200/m

The premium payable up to age 70 should be RM375 monthly.

Were you brief on the term of the coverage?
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post Jun 8 2021, 11:54 PM

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QUOTE(ryan18 @ Jun 8 2021, 11:51 PM)
Oops I missed that detail.the age cover limit is 100 years old and looks like I need glasses the premium is 250 instead of 200.I’m looking at the wrong column
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Premium is still below the ear marked 375/m for Age 70
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post Jun 9 2021, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(ryan18 @ Jun 9 2021, 12:03 AM)
Hmm interesting which means I could have a drastic increase in policy for future years to cover the policy sustainability?
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Of course.

There ain't "cheaper" rate as describe by your agent cool2.gif , just a manipulation within the device where the agent reduces the tenure so they can offer you a lower premium (because if the tenure is stretch longer, you'll have to pay more), but you'll actually have to pay more later (much more) laugh.gif

On the side note, Company X offers similar benefits around 295/m till age 70.

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post Jun 9 2021, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(ryan18 @ Jun 9 2021, 09:17 AM)
Yup my Prudential agent perform a policy review for me as well
No way I’m going to pay for so many policy
As for the Allianz one was asked by a not so close friend to fill in a survey and it ended up to be a insurance selling session  dry.gif . So gotta find a way to reject politely
Thanks for your reply
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If you can upgrade from your existing insurance, it'll be better.

Unless you're keen to explore other insurer, I'd suggest you to apply first and see what are the underwriting outcome.
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QUOTE(wcypierre @ Jun 9 2021, 01:08 PM)
Hi, I got an email from AIA stating that I got a One-Off Medical Rebate but it didn't state more info.
What is it about (as in source of medical rebate) and where can I find more info about it?
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If you take up *selected* AIA policy, you'll entitle for 1 month premium waiver.
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post Jun 9 2021, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(joe8489 @ Jun 9 2021, 02:09 PM)
boss, ru Keith Hiew?
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laugh.gif No
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post Jun 9 2021, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(wcypierre @ Jun 9 2021, 02:34 PM)
Its not a new policy though, its an existing one. I saw a notification in 2020 for medical rebate in MyAIA, the rebate was scheduled for Feb 2021 but I don't recall getting it on Feb 2021. so........ I think its probably that.
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Here you go.

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We will credit the rebate into your policy’s investment-linked protection account around the end of February 2021, provided that your policy remains active when the rebate takes place.

However, please note that there will be no change to your revised insurance charges, which take effect from your policy anniversary in 2020. The amount will remain as what have been stated in the earlier letter mentioned above.


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post Jun 9 2021, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(joe8489 @ Jun 9 2021, 02:33 PM)
dear sifus,

any advice for Family Medical Plan?

for H (1984) W (1989) and 2 daughters (2015 n 2019)

currently i'm paying RM 860 for all the above medical cards (with ILP and some small death / tpd / CI benefits)

looking at some family medical cards, some costs only between RM 250-550, but of course without ILP and small death / tpd / CI benefits)

perhaps for the death / tpd / CI benefits, can buy under a better policy?

kindly advice.
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There are many plans around, I'm sure some agents are going to directly PM you with standalone and ILPs soon.

Question is
1. Have you sorted out your insurance protection on key areas?
2. If not, why not?
3. Then why not integrate an all-in-one plan and make sure it covers the key areas & medical?
4. Have you sorted out Children Education?
5. What do you want out of this Insurance?
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QUOTE(wcypierre @ Jun 9 2021, 04:08 PM)
yeah I saw that too in the 1st notification letter. The rebate was supposed to come end of Feb, but seems like......... delay eh  laugh.gif

Thanks for the clarification  biggrin.gif
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biggrin.gif you're welcome
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QUOTE(kimhoong @ Jun 9 2021, 11:13 PM)
I'm studying TPD offering from GE & HLA.

GE = up to 70 years old (standard stuffs here) - no extension whatsoever after 70 years old

HLA = "TPD" up to 65 years old and "OAD" (65-100 years old)
HLA's sounds interesting but too good to be true. I'm skeptical about this OAD (Old Age Disablement).
Can anyone share its T&C?
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OAD is something you can say it's extension to TPD (which normally expires between age 65 - 70 depending on the company's T&C), thus having the OAD will help you extend that coverage beyond till age 100.

nothing skeptical about it. Some of my clients bought it because they feel that during old age, the tendency to unable to perform certain task in life could render under the category of "disabled".

As long as you're unable to perform 3 out of 6 Daily Living Activities, you'll be eligible to claim for OAD (this T&C applies to TPD as well)

What are the 6 Daily Living Activities?

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post Jun 11 2021, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(ntdote @ Jun 11 2021, 01:53 PM)
Hi sifus,

I bought ILP insurance with AIA for my wife (1986) bout 6 years ago with premium of RM2,804 per annum. The details is as follows:-

                                        Coverage                  Start  End            Premium
A-LifeLink                        RM52,500.00   
ALL1 A-LifeLink                RM52,500.00          21-Jul-15 21-Jul-87 RM1,400.00 
ADC1 A-Plus DisabilityCare RM52,500.00          21-Jul-15 21-Jul-57 0
ACL1 A-Plus CriticalCare RM26,250.00          21-Jul-15 21-Jul-87 0
APM1 A-Plus Med        RM1,110,000.00  21-Jul-15 21-Jul-87 0
APB1 A-Plus MedBooster RM1,110,000.00  21-Jul-15 21-Jul-87 0
APS1 A-Plus Saver        RM0.00                  21-Jul-15 21-Jul-87 RM1,404.00 

Fund Value as of now is RM4219.79.

Now, i am trying to cut down the premium, and i wonder what option do i have.

Actually i only need the medical card for her coz she not working, can i just change it to pure medical card? Any disadvantage of this? What happen to the fund value then?

Can i remove the life insurance, disability care and critical care? Probably can save few hundred here i believe?

The premium of RM1400 for "A-LifeLink" is the insurance part? and the RM1404 is for investment? is this correct? If so, can i discard the investment part and only pay for the insurance part?
For myself (1986), i have AIA Mediplus card since 2006, so the benefit is not that good. Coverage as below:

Medical Limit/Year Your Lifetime Limit Premium         
RM110,000.00            RM330,000.00  RM1,238.00     
Room and board RM180, deductible RM50

Can i change to the current latest medical card? What are the cons that i need to be aware of?

Thank you.
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Hi there,

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Actually i only need the medical card for her coz she not working, can i just change it to pure medical card? Any disadvantage of this? What happen to the fund value then?

The disadvantage would be, you'd lose all the other coverages beside just the medical card.

However, if you're really pressed for money now and you need the money for living expenses, you can choose to withdraw some of the cash value within the policy since you mentioned there is RM4200 inside. However, do note that you'll still have to commit to the monthly premium even if you did a partial withdrawal.

If there is no other choice and the above recommendation doesn't suit you, then the only next course of action is to terminate the policy and opt for a standalone medical card.

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Can i remove the life insurance, disability care and critical care? Probably can save few hundred here i believe?

You can opt to remove the riders such as CI and reduce the sum assured of the death and disability benefit to RM6,000 but seeing the amount covered is low, it won't cut much on the monthly premium

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The premium of RM1400 for "A-LifeLink" is the insurance part? and the RM1404 is for investment? is this correct? If so, can i discard the investment part and only pay for the insurance part?

Can't, because this is an investment link, you can't just make switches like that, you'll have to change the policy type if you wish to change from ILP to Term.

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Can i change to the current latest medical card? What are the cons that i need to be aware of?

Can, it can be upgraded.
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QUOTE(ntdote @ Jun 11 2021, 02:38 PM)
Thank you sir.

For the ILP, do you mean that i still have to pay the original premium RM2804 no matter how i re-structure the policy? Or can i opt to reduce the investment amount to say RM400 instead? This way it would still be ILP and premium would be RM1800pa.

TQ
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You can request to reduce the premium payable. Get ur agent settle for you.
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QUOTE(tiramisu83 @ Jun 12 2021, 12:52 AM)
Hi, not sure OAD is a 长照險?i heard this chinese term from Taiwan article.
And i always wonder is this kind of insurance available or common in Malaysia? I am 39 now and interested to have this as a rider (not sure is this consider as rider?). Around how much the premium?

I asked my agent (Allianz) before but he said Allianz do not have this OAD..hmm..
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Allianz doesn’t offer such benefit.

You’ll be surprised that the premium is quite affordable and it’ll be able to compensate you for long term care and easily provide you as income replacement. It’s highly customizable but I’d rather consult first before advising.
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QUOTE(ntdote @ Jun 12 2021, 11:08 PM)
Thank you sir for your response.

To recap my current medical card benefit as below:

Annual limit = 110k
Liftime Limit = 330k
Premium = 1238
Room and board = 180

I checked at AXA. Compare to a quotation i got from AXA online below:

Annual Limit = 1.5mil
Lifetime limit = No limit
Premium = 1000
Room and board = 350

The difference is so huge, AXA benefit is so much better and cheaper too.

My problem, since my medical card started in 2006, is there any "practical benefit" to keep this AIA policy to avoid issue with new policy like no coverage for pre-existing illnesses etc ?

Or is there an option with AIA to upgrade my existing policy (keeping the year 2006) rather than to terminate and then sign up with the latest AIA medical card, again the issue of pre-existing illnesses etc?

Thanks.
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Unless you have a pre-existing illness, then you'll probably want to weigh whether to add on another medical card to increase the coverage for the rest beside the pre-existing.

Another method is to add on a deductible medical card to supplement the existing card that covers a pre-existing illness.

Otherwise, if the above doesn't applies, you're free to choose whether to move on with AXA or stay with AIA and get the latest coverage.

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