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lifebalance
post May 6 2021, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(4004 @ May 6 2021, 07:18 PM)
Thank you for your reply, I will prepare my reports then for my application.

Planning to stay in Malaysia for long term/foreseeable future. Originally from UK and currently fulfilling two contracts in IT sector (self-employed).
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Depending on how comprehensive you want the insurance plan to be.

Options available as below
1. Term Insurance - solely just medical benefits - Normally ranges 500 - 2.5k yearly depending on the benefit you're looking for.
2. Investment-Linked Plans - you'll get to include medical benefit and others such as Critical Illness, Total Permanent Disability, Personal Accident, Death etc; Premium starts around 2k annually.

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post May 7 2021, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(shee1 @ May 7 2021, 11:30 AM)
My company currently provide medical card & covers only 35k per year.
In my 20 years, have done 5 surgeries, all using company card and never used my medical card.
I was planning to keep to this medical plan until a time when company no longer provide me with a medical card.
After that only upgrade my plan to GMX2. Upgrading to this GMX2 at my age now means paying double what i pay now.

1, Anything i need to consider or overlooked?
2, Does changing from my old plan to GMX2 exclude my previous illness coverage?

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Having done 5 surgeries, it depends on what you did back then and how it'll impact your life moving forward. All these will be assessed by the insurance company before they can grant you the new medical card benefits with/without exclusions or loading should you choose to upgrade.


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post May 10 2021, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(shee1 @ May 10 2021, 04:30 PM)
Thank you all for the reply, have started getting quote to compare my existing coverage & review the Sum Assured.
Also looking at covering whole family instead of many standalones.

For my Father, he has few Whole Life insurance.
He is already 70 and no longer working for few years.
All children are working and independent now.
so what shall we consider before surrendering this whole life insurance?

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PRIME LIFE 
Whole Life Insurance
Premium RM4k
Payment Frequency Annual
Coverage Period APR 1997 till APR 2052
Covers the following:

PLPP8 PRIMELIFE PLUS
Coverage Amount RM100k
Status IN FORCE DISAPPEARING PREMIUM OPTION (DPO)
Premium RM3k
Effective Date: APR 1997
Expiry Date: APR 2052
Premium Cease Date APR 2040

C3FG/EXL/AAAL/PLN7 CLR
Coverage Amount RM50k
Status IN FORCE DISAPPEARING PREMIUM OPTION (DPO)
Premium RM7XX
Effective Date: APR 1997
Expiry Date: APR 2052
Premium Cease Date APR 2040

WP-1 31 CLR/WP
Coverage Amount RM50k
Status IN FORCE DISAPPEARING PREMIUM OPTION (DPO)
Premium RM2XX
Effective Date: APR 1997
Expiry Date: APR 2040
Premium Cease Date APR 2040
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When you're already 70+, you can't really apply for anymore insurance *but* there are a few exceptions.

From the look of it, he has some Life & CI coverage. I'd suggest to keep them since he's out of option to get new ones at a cheaper rate.


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post May 11 2021, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(kimhoong @ May 11 2021, 08:41 AM)
Just a random question about agent or agency performance such as Top Agent or Top Agency etc etc as claimed by agents that engaged me. I tried to validate these claims, but Google couldn't find satisfying results to me.

Question: how do I validate if an agent claims that he/she is TopX agent/agency in certain region or nationwide?
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Those whatsoever awards are within their own insurance company. You may call the insurance company to verify their claims.

However, what can all these award prove to you?

It just shows a person did a lot of insurance business for that period of time but will not show whether its an ethical person in their business conduct or whether this person would stay long in the business.
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post May 11 2021, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(kimhoong @ May 11 2021, 11:33 AM)
I was engaged for business insurance and the agent claimed that her agency is Top X agency for consecutive Y years. I believe this serves as a branding or creditability for someone I just met for the first time.

You are right that it doesn't show "ethicability".
While we are into this, how do we evaluate the "quality" of an agent/agency that we meet the first time (normally from cold-call)?
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Honestly you can't evaluate, just like the first time you go to a car showroom to test drive the car, how would you like the salesperson to respond to you?
1. Serve you drink
2. Ask you what type of car are you looking for
3. Ask relevant questions like you driving just by yourself or for family
4. Find the suitable car that fits your criteria
5. Let you test drive
6. Deliver your car, make sure everything is okay

If you want to find out how you'll be treated by this agent. Get them to do a full presentation and see if you like the experience or not.

If judging by just award alone, nowadays insurance companies simply show posters and award for even 1k to 10k sales. How is that relevant? I would have a cupboard full of awards by now if I keep all these 😅.
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post May 11 2021, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(angyte @ May 11 2021, 06:28 PM)
Hi,

Saw lots of ppl saying AIA covering for covid hospitalisation in private hospital?
I mean cover the medical cost not some compensation payment.
Is it true? I tot all excluded commutable disease clause?
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Yes it's covered for all COVID medical expenses.
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post May 12 2021, 08:48 AM

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QUOTE(gooroojee @ May 12 2021, 01:08 AM)
Hi sifus, can I ask how much it would cost roughly to get term life insurance for a person from age 45-70/75/80? Am curious to know the total damage per year from start to end...

Annually renewable. Only for death and TPD. Sum assured 500k.

Thanks in advance. Can reply here or PM also. TQVM!
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wink.gif about 161k vs 99k
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post May 13 2021, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(helpme2 @ May 13 2021, 04:02 AM)
Hi everyone,

Appreciate any advice for my situation, about a week or 2 ago i got a mail regarding the revise of annual premium. The policy plan that I'm using is PowerLink (since 2013). So right now, im just wondering if i should upgrade my current policy (upgrading in terms of coverage as well as critical illnesses, coverage maybe to 80 instead) or to get a new policy.

Spoke to my insurance agent the other day, he suggested to buy a new policy which is Medisafe Infinite+. The only thing that is preventing me from getting it right away is, i was told to maintained the Powerlink plan for a year and at the same time having the Medisafe policy, which i was pretty reluctant as i'll be having 3 insurance including the company'.So spoke to the Allianz customer service, was advice to instead upgrade the plan and my agent did not mentioned anything about upgrading.

Current policy as below:
Overall lifetime limit - 850,000
Insured Amount - 90,000
Maturity: 2088 (100 years)
Premium:1,920.00

MediSafe:
Overall Annual 1.5M
Lifetime: No Limit
Premium: 3,000.00

again any advice are much appreciated and also if any information needed that might help with the situation le me know, thanks all smile.gif
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it'll be cheaper to upgrade on the existing plan.

whistling.gif Bad agent / Good agent talk
1. Your agent want to earn an entire new block of 6 years commission since your policy is bought since 2013 - no more commission already. By upgrading, the agent won't be able to earn as much.
2. It will be considered as a new case for his business
3. Reason for you to maintain your policy for 1 year is because of "Replacement of Policy" whereby if you cancel your existing policy within the same year, the new policy which was sold; the commission will be clawed back as it's considered replacing an existing policy.
4. You're paying 2x the premium by maintaining 2 policy for 1 year - at your cost for your agent's pleasure

All the best wink.gif

Meanwhile kimhoong; this is a good example of so many award won by the agent but agent can do such "ethical" thing for sales, do you think award still matters nowadays when agent flash it to you?
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post May 13 2021, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(OrdernPay @ May 13 2021, 02:06 PM)
hi all sifu
wanted to get life insurans instead of mrta. dont want all medical bla bla bla benefit.. just want pure life insurans
age:41
amount 500k

now what i am confuse.. some life insurans when die only get back money.
some life insurans will have money back when maturity.

been looking for etiqa one but dont know how to differentiate which is which..
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Hi OrdernPay,

There are many types of life insurance out there ... but I'll keep it simple for you in here on how you can structure the mortgage insurance.

1. Determine your tenure of coverage -
a) Do you want to cover until the age of 70 ?
b) or based on the loan tenure ?
c) or shorter than the loan tenure ?

2. Life insurance is designed to provide the lump sum payout that you've taken up. So in this step, determine how much you want to cover for the loan you took with the bank.
Example: If your loan is RM500,000 then you might want to cover based on that amount.

3. Cash value upon Maturity

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some life insurans will have money back when maturity.


There are policies out there whereby if you do hold the policy until maturity, it will grant you extra maturity bonuses which maybe a plus point for you as you can use it as part of your retirement money after paying all those years.

4. The premium for 500k coverage starts from 150 - 300 monthly
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post May 13 2021, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(gooroojee @ May 13 2021, 06:10 PM)
I'm thinking the same too. But instead of buying term life, I have an old life policy that's still active... which I can request my agent to increase the insurance coverage up to rm500k... currently just 200k..

A lot of life insurance policies don't allow you to buy if you're past 45 years old... amazing
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You're eligible to buy as long as you're below Age 70.
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post May 13 2021, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(5p3ak @ May 13 2021, 08:10 PM)
Just curious, if my application requires a blood test is it claimable?
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Ask the agent that you're applying with. Diff company diff policy.
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post May 14 2021, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(rexus @ May 14 2021, 08:12 PM)
Hi all,

I am looking to get the AXA eMedic.

One of the questions asked was "In the past 2 years, have you consulted or do you intend to consult a medical pracititoner or specialist for investigations, medical referrals, surgical operation or treatment on any medical conditions (other than common flu or cold)?"

I have had dengue and went for medical check up (all good) in the past 2 years.

I assume my answer to the question will be no?
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You can mention that you had dengue in the past 2 years.
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post May 14 2021, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(gooroojee @ May 14 2021, 10:18 PM)
Sifus,

This says that assigning a nominee only makes them executor of my will if I die, or if I don't have a will, then executor of the common law. If I want the policy to be paid out to someone specifically I need to assign a policy beneficiary.

So I asked my agent how to assign someone as a policy beneficiary and he said just nominee is fine and they will get the money, don't worry. But I am worried!

What should I do?

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Uhm, the instruction in c) is already quite clear, your nominee should be your spouse/child, if you don't have spouse/child then it'll be your parents.

QUOTE(Bellaciao @ May 14 2021, 10:28 PM)
Hi sifus,
my fren had HPV-non cancerous long time ago. Already clear, doctor also not required to monitor or take medicine. Is this required to be stated when buying insurance? will it effect the premium or coverage?
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You'll have to declare and let the underwriter to determine the risk.
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post May 14 2021, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(Bellaciao @ May 14 2021, 10:44 PM)
What If the medical card already bought long time ago. Still need to find back the agent to declare?
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If you applied your insurance after such event had happened, the insurance company may use it against you as non-disclosure.

However, if the event had happened after you've applied for your insurance, then you don't have to re-declare to the insurance company.

QUOTE(gooroojee @ May 14 2021, 11:03 PM)
But it's also clear that if nominee isn't my spouse or child , e.g. my siblings who could be dependents, or close relatives... Then I can't make them policy beneficiary just by making them nominee... correct?

Or are you saying that insurance policies can only be made out to spouse and children, or parents?
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Where the nominee is not the policy owner’s spouse or child or parent (if there is living spouse or child at the time of nomination), the nominee will receive the policy moneys only as an executor and shall distribute it according to the will, or if there is no will, the applicable laws of distribution. In such a case, the policy is called a non-trust policy. The policy moneys form part of the deceased’s estate and are subjected to his debts.

For example, if you nominate your brother, he will receive the policy moneys as an executor. The policy moneys will then form part of your estate and your brother would be bound to distribute the policy moneys accordingly, including to your creditors, if any. If there is a surviving spouse, child, or parent, and there is no will, then according to the Distribution Act 1958, the brother will not inherit any part of the estate.

sweat.gif why is the agent you're engaging not explaining it to you?
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QUOTE(gooroojee @ May 14 2021, 11:21 PM)
Already mentioned as per my above post. I read it to mean exactly what you said. But agent said don't worry. Will get the money. So looks like it's a misinformation from the agent.

Thanks for replying.
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post May 15 2021, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(1234_4321 @ May 15 2021, 09:38 AM)
Hello All, I have an old medical card policy with ING and later acquired by AIA. The annual limit is 100k and lifetime limit is 300k, which is very outdated as most of the policy nowadays is with unlimited limited (told by the agent)

Still considering the change within AIA or other insurance company, but may I know the switch over is usually to
1. terminate the old policy, and subscribe with the new policy and waiting period (120 days) applies.
OR
2. is there any possible way to switch over to new policy without any waiting period?
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1. There will be a new waiting period of 120 days, I believe what you have is Excel Care.

2. Not likely.
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post May 15 2021, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(Ching Aik @ May 15 2021, 10:11 AM)
Hi all,

Below is my current plan, used to be monthly RM240 on PRULink Assurance Plan.
Then agent advised me change to RM100 on PRULink Assurance Plan, and RM140 on PRUWith You. (Current)
Now agent advise me cancel PRULink Assurance Plan, and total RM240 on PRUWith You instead.
Should I go for it or there's something going on? Thank you.

PRULink Assurance Plan | RM100
Benefit Description - Benefit Purchased
PRUWith You - MYR 10,000.00
Payor Basic - MYR 1,680.00
PRUMillion Med - MYR 250.00 (Room & Board)
PRUMillion Med - Med Saver MYR 300.00
PRUWith You (TPD) - MYR 10,000.00

PRUWith You | RM140
Benefit Description - Benefit Purchased
PRULink Assurance Plan - MYR 80,000.00
Accident Medical Reimbursement - MYR 2,000.00
Accidental Death & Disablement - MYR 80,000.00
Crisis Shield Benefit - MYR 80,000.00
Enhanced PRUPayor Basic - MYR 1,200.00
Hospital Benefit - MYR 200.00 per day
PRUDisability Provider - MYR 8,000.00 per annum
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I don't know what's the purpose of your agent doing so. What's the justification?
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post May 15 2021, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(Ching Aik @ May 15 2021, 10:23 AM)
Hi lifebalance, thanks for reply.

Sorry I edited the post, benefit was reversed.
She says old plan is oudated, with this can help me change coverage from 36 critical illness to 160 critical illness.

Some of my friend inform to never cancel old policy, so I'm hesitating.
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Why not just add on with the current PruWithYou since it's already there, you're just topping up for the 160 CI no?

Just remove the 36CI from the old policy.
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QUOTE(Ching Aik @ May 15 2021, 10:32 AM)
There's no topping up, monthly commitment remain the same RM240.

She says Death/TPD/Accidental Death/Critical illness payout is same, just that it increase coverage from 36 to 160 CI.
From paper it looks benefit?

But many tell not to cancel old policy as they're always best value and investing to new one agent take large portion of commission or some sort.
So I'm hesitating if to go for it, or there's other opinion? Thanks.
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tongue.gif When you add-on something, do you possibly think it'll be at no-extra-cost? An Early/Multi CI coverage cost of insurance will be more expensive than the normal end-stage CI. You'll probably sacrifice your term of coverage to a shorter tenure but your agent context to tell you is "at no extra cost" - is somewhat half true.

Then as I've mentioned, if you don't wish to cancel your old policy but at the same time you'd like to enhance the coverage of your CI.

Best for you to upgrade on the existing PruWithYou and see how much additional you'll need to pay.
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QUOTE(Th3D3vil @ May 15 2021, 10:21 PM)
Looking for term life insurance, coverage 500k.

Came across PB WealthElite 3, hence did some comparison among other players such as Axa/ AIA/ FWD / Takaful & FI

Traditionally TL has no  value in term of return but as compare to PB WE3, it states as below

Reap the rewards of your plan with 100% of your account value at maturity.
You will receive an additional 20% of your account value as a Longevity Bonus

Would want to see feedback from those who have sign up for this product and understand whether it's worth the $ spend

Welcome feedback and suggestion

Thanks
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This is a repackaged A Life Wealth Builder. Essentially PB is partnered with AIA to sell their insurance under the bank.

Again, it goes back to what are you looking to cover and what makes you thought about this.

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