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lifebalance
post Apr 25 2021, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(Gatsby IT @ Apr 25 2021, 07:28 PM)
Thanks for the reply . I'm actually looking for the most budget if possible GE do provide 1.5M annual coverage for 200-250 I think , looking to insure for as long as possible , Male non smoker .
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Not sure what's your age but premium is about 140 - 170 monthly for 1.5m coverage till age 70 for a 25 yr old.
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post Apr 28 2021, 09:13 PM

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QUOTE(sching @ Apr 28 2021, 09:09 PM)
Hi, planning to increase my medical nsurance coverage as currently my old plan only has 50k annual limit. My agent advised to directly buy a new policy as he calculated it would be more worth compared to upgrade as will be cheaper and more comprehensive coverage. However, I will need to maintain the old policy for one year and at the same time pay for the new policy. It doesn't sound fair to existing customer. Any idea how can we go about this?
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Which company are you with and the plan name?
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post Apr 28 2021, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(sching @ Apr 28 2021, 09:20 PM)
Prudential from PruFlexi Med > Prumillion Med
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Policy upgrade can be done. Refer to post #100760817

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post Apr 29 2021, 08:34 AM

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QUOTE(sching @ Apr 28 2021, 09:20 PM)
Prudential from PruFlexi Med > Prumillion Med
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I've just confirmed with my prudential officer *do take note it's public holiday today*

The policy can be upgraded.

As Roy pointed out, by upgrading you don't have to worry about the waiting period as anything happens, it'll still fall back to your current existing policy benefits.

However, I do believe your agent wanted to do the new policy and replace the old policy because he wants to earn the 6 years commission again.

But at your loss since you'll be paying 2 policies premium which you are also asked to hold 2 policies at the same time effectively doubling your cost.

I would say it's not ethical to do so but then again maybe you can reprimand your agent for advising you to do such action.

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post Apr 29 2021, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(sching @ Apr 29 2021, 02:25 PM)
Thanks guys for your insights and helping to check even on a public holiday  notworthy.gif

The reason my agent mentioned is that it would cost higher for an upgrade compared to getting a new policy and also the old policy did not allow for newer features like comprehensive CI. The upgrade for medical part makes the final premium higher compared to new policy. Thus, he suggested a new policy. So does that mean I have to choose between a more expensive upgrade or a direct new policy (along with the cost of maintaining 2 policies and paying commission again for 6 years)? My old policy is already >7 years.
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☺️ You'll have to do your own homework then to see what's best for yourself
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post Apr 29 2021, 07:00 PM

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QUOTE(sching @ Apr 29 2021, 05:47 PM)
Thanks. This is the first time I am doing so much homework on my insurance. Still a lot to learn.
Yeah, this is what exactly my agent told me. Maybe what he meant was it is possible to upgrade but then the upgrade would cost more than the new policy. Perhaps I should check again with him in details on the upgrade.  hmm.gif

Also, I took a look at my insurance schedule/table and noted that at the end of policy year 30, I would have zero value in my cash surrender account (due to increasing insurance charges). Does it mean that on year 31 onwards, I will need to pay for a higher premium? Is it normal for all policy or is it only for my specific plan? Sorry for the noob questions as I am still learning.

Thanks.
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It's applicable to investment link policies as your policy will incur a continuous increasing cost of insurance charges as you get older.

Thus you can either do a top up on your regular premium or a single premium top up in order to prolong your policy sustainability.

Policies with medical benefit will have a tendency to get premium repricing due to the high medical inflation in Malaysia that will mostly affect the cost of insurance within the Hospitalization benefit.

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post Apr 29 2021, 07:39 PM

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QUOTE(jhodyj @ Apr 29 2021, 07:31 PM)
hi  i would like to ask about medical card repricing for ILP. Lets say insurance company decided to increase the COI of medical card by 40%, is the suggested premium increment 40% as well? Is % increase in COI = % increase in premium? thanks
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Not necessary, the insurance company will have to recalculate based on what you have at the moment + the increased cost of insurance and then it'll be able to tell how long your policy can sustain until
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post Apr 29 2021, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(jhodyj @ Apr 29 2021, 07:40 PM)
ya if want to maintain the initial sustainability, then usually the % increase in premium will be higher or lower than the % increase in COI?
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Doubt I got an answer for you on this.

QUOTE(jutamind @ Apr 29 2021, 07:50 PM)
Any difference for medical card sold by general insurance companies compared to those sold by life insurance companies?
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To me, there is no difference. What difference do you have in mind?
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post May 1 2021, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(MeowSama @ May 1 2021, 02:14 AM)
I received letter from the insurance company to increase the premium for my Medical card. Any issue if I just ignore it?
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You may choose to ignore but do bear in mind that your policy term of coverage may have been shorten due to the increased in the cost of insurance.

For example if your plan was suppose to cover until Age 70, it may have dropped to say Age 65.

Do check your statement to find out your updated Sustainable Age.
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post May 1 2021, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(thecurious @ May 1 2021, 09:48 AM)
If insurance plan is buy from agent, can renew and make payment online? or must go through agent?
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For life policies
If the policy is already issued, method of payment includes
1. Debit or credit card
2. Direct debit from your bank account
3. Payment via the insurance company website or app

If you're talking about general insurance, once a quote is given and you're satisfied with the coverage and premium, you may choose to direct bank in to the insurance company bank account and provide the payment receipt to the branch or agent.

Payments can be made via credit card as well by filling up the form to deduct from your credit card.

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post May 1 2021, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(Cyberbullies @ May 1 2021, 01:31 PM)
Any hong leong agent here?

For medishield rider III, it is stated that it is covered till the age of 100.

But can the premium up to 90 or 100 be calculated and guaranteed at the time of buying?

I was told that the HLA system only allows calculation up to the age of 80 and from 81 onwards the premium has to be re-assessed at that particular age.

Seems weird since PRU and Allianz both allow calculation up to 100 straight away.
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No issue, can quote all the way to age 100.
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post May 2 2021, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(Kitty_catts @ May 2 2021, 09:55 AM)
Hi. Can someone advice me on which medical insurance fits my criteria. Few things that Im looking for

No deductible charges. Insurance pay for all.
Cashless admission. If hospital itself require deposit, its okey.

Some of the insurance I found fit my match are :
1) Allianz - MediSafe Infinite+
2) Tokio Marine - Premier Medic Partner
However I dont know how good are their customer service. Open to any other suggestion / insurance as well.I also have a company medical insurance with limit up to 80k.
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There are quite a few option, some may have atleast 300 deductible minimum but I'll list based on their latest plans with non-deductible options below.
Allianz
Manulife
Hong Leong
AIA

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post May 2 2021, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(Kitty_catts @ May 2 2021, 10:16 AM)
AIA which type ya? Theres too many type in AIA + a lot of it need to contact agent
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You'll need to buy through an agent
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post May 2 2021, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(AnasM @ May 2 2021, 10:50 AM)
If die due to covid, will insurance payout the LIFE insurance portion?
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Yes
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post May 3 2021, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(Jerrylum88 @ May 3 2021, 11:55 AM)
Hi sifu, My dad is currently 67 years old with a medical record of mild hypertension and controlled. His current insurance plan is expiring soon, what are his options in order to extend it??
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Depends on the company that he’s subscribed to at the moment.

If he’s only allowed to renew until age 70 and thereafter no more.

Then maybe you can consider to subscribe another medical card that allows renewal up to the age of 100.


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post May 4 2021, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(shee1 @ May 4 2021, 04:36 PM)
Dear Sifu, i would like to review few insurance subscribed to. Mainly to ensure the coverage is sufficient and whether there are now policies that are better. Most of these insurance was chosen by my father long time back when i started working.

GE Endowment
Commence Date: 2004
Multicash Lion Endowment Series 2 with Cash Bonus (Sum Assured RM25,000)
Waiver of Premium Rider Plus (Sum Assured RM1,720)
AccidentCare benefit (Sum Assured RM25,000)
Living Assurance RIder with Total Permanent Disability Benefits (Sum Assured RM20,000)
Cash Bonus Balance: RM1.6k
Survival Benefit Balance: 15k (Option: Leave on deposit with company)
Net Surrender Value: 15k
Premium RM175.65 per month
Term: 53

GE Medical Card
Great Healthcare Plan
Commence Date: 2004
Balance Annual Limit: 60k
Balance Life Time Limit: 180k
RM703 per year

GE Whole Life
Great Ideal Living (Sum Assured: 100k)
Premier Medical Reimbursement and Hospitalization Benefit Rider (Sum Assured RM100)
Commence Date: 2012
Net Surrender Value: 23k
Cash Bonus Balance: RM1.8k  (Option: Leave on deposit with company)
RM320.70 per month
Term: 87
Sum Assured RM100k

Hope experts here can shed some light on any areas i need to increase or let go.

Thank You
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Personally I don't know you so it's hard to define what is enough for you.

A general guide
1. Enough payout to pay off debts.
2. Income to sustain disability/critical illness/accident for 3 - 10 years.
3. Medical card to cover about 200k - 500k Annual Limit.

While I won't comment much about your other policies, you may want to consider upgrade your medical card as the annual limit is quite low @ 60k Annually.
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post May 4 2021, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(jhodyj @ May 4 2021, 09:43 PM)
I read somewhere in this forum where some insurance agent said that if a new medical card is being used (less than 1 year old), then usually insurance company will refuse to issue GL and u will need to pay and claim first. If the claim is genuine, then insurance company will pay the money to you and the whole process takes around 2-3 months time as they need to check ur past medical record and etc...

Then again, some ppl claimed that they get their GL issued just in a few hours time

Why sometimes it takes insurance company as long as 2-3 months to check your past medical record, and sometimes just only a few hours ?
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This is a case-to-case basis If the insurance company is suspicious, they'll probably deny to issue a GL first and get you to pay first & claim back later while they investigate into the matter.

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post May 5 2021, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(shee1 @ May 5 2021, 11:28 AM)
Thanks lifebalance, hope i understand correctly:

1. Enough payout to pay off debts.

Assume I have RM200k debt now, so I need to increase my GE Whole Life Insurance from Sum Assured 100k to 200k, correct?
Since after few years this loan amount reduces & I didn't incur any new loan, I should review it again after 5 years to reduce it?
2. Income to sustain disability/critical illness/accident for 3 - 10 years.

If expenses RM8k per month, 96K per year, for 10 years need almost 1mil, so I need sum assured of RM1mil for Accident / Disability?
3. Medical card to cover about 200k - 500k Annual Limit.

Your advice is based on Page 8? there was a infographic on how much medical can cost (ex: Kidney Stone up to RM40k, Colorectal Cancer treatment RM80k, this is for per year correct?
Maybe one might be affected by one or 2 conditions such as kidney stone & colorectal, so per year i need to insure at RM120k correct?
For Lifetime limit, say to remove kidney stone or remove polyp from colon approximately max of 10 treatment in my life time, i would need lifetime limit of 1.25mil correct?

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1. You can say so.

2. You can say so.

3. Depends on whether the treatment requires long term i.e kidney dialysis.

The general guide is just in general, to find out the exact amount and to address your concerns, it's always best to discuss with a financial advisor.
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QUOTE(Cyberbullies @ May 5 2021, 07:46 PM)
Anyone knows if all allianz life insurance products are cash before cover? Means we need to pay before underwriter will underwrite the application?
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Yeap collect payment before underwrite.
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post May 6 2021, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(4004 @ May 6 2021, 06:22 PM)
Hello, I am a foreigner (28 years old/male/non-smoker) who recently got LTSVP and I am looking at health insurance plans. I recently went in for investigation with my cardiologist (including mri/echo, non-emergency) but they didn't find any problems (had symptoms that have since disappeared but were unexplained). Would this investigation limit my insurance options?

Looking for plan with no deductibles/cashless. I don't mind lower than average annual/lifetime limits to reduce premium cost. More for sudden emergency/acute injuries. Any suggestions or rough price ranges would be welcome. Thank you.
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How long do you plan your stay in Malaysia ?

What's your country of origin and are you employed in Malaysia?

You may submit your relevant reports for the insurance application for the insurance company to review.

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