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post Jan 12 2021, 09:17 AM, updated 5y ago

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Have been playing Anno 1800 a lot and i realised that it uses up to 14GB ~15GB RAM right now.
Should I upgrade to 32GB? And yes my PC can support more than 64GB RAM.

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post Jan 12 2021, 09:19 AM

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if you are running at close to max capacity then just upgrade smile.gif
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post Jan 12 2021, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(miyakochan89 @ Jan 12 2021, 09:17 AM)
Have been playing Anno 1800 a lot and i realised that it uses up to 14GB ~15GB RAM right now.
Should I upgrade to 32GB? And yes my PC can support more than 64GB RAM.
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32GB is the new 16GB in 2021. Depends what other tasks you do with your PC while gaming too.
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post Jan 12 2021, 09:24 AM

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For gaming, 16gb should be enough
Ram won't affect the gaming performance (or maybe tiny effect on it only, you won't feel the significant change too even you change to 32 or 64gb)
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post Jan 12 2021, 09:30 AM

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if you play alot of Anno 1800 or its variants of SIM games, then you will need alot of RAM because those game tends to use up alot of RAM.

even if you upgrade to 32GB of RAM, it will use up to 28GB-30GB of RAM too

the more buildings and people in your town, the more RAM it consumes.
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post Jan 12 2021, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(miyakochan89 @ Jan 12 2021, 09:17 AM)
Have been playing Anno 1800 a lot and i realised that it uses up to 14GB ~15GB RAM right now.
Should I upgrade to 32GB? And yes my PC can support more than 64GB RAM.
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PC already run on NVMe ?
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post Jan 12 2021, 09:39 AM

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that one is CPU heavy game
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post Jan 12 2021, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(sickworms @ Jan 12 2021, 09:30 AM)
if you play alot of Anno 1800 or its variants of SIM games, then you will need alot of RAM because those game tends to use up alot of RAM.

even if you upgrade to 32GB of RAM, it will use up to 28GB-30GB of RAM too

the more buildings and people in your town, the more RAM it consumes.
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They will need more CPU usage instead of ram
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post Jan 12 2021, 09:43 AM

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Well, even if it uses close to the max, is the game running fine?
Coz I thought games tend to use up to the max available that they can use. Means, the more background processes that stay on RAM, the game will use less and less.
So, if the game is running fine, imho you don't really need to upgrade (yet)
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post Jan 12 2021, 10:21 AM

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32GB is the norm for now, especially for Gaming PC. Suggest upgrade to 32GB.
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post Jan 12 2021, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(FlamingR @ Jan 12 2021, 09:22 AM)
32GB is the new 16GB in 2021. Depends what other tasks you do with your PC while gaming too.
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QUOTE(sickworms @ Jan 12 2021, 09:30 AM)
if you play alot of Anno 1800 or its variants of SIM games, then you will need alot of RAM because those game tends to use up alot of RAM.

even if you upgrade to 32GB of RAM, it will use up to 28GB-30GB of RAM too

the more buildings and people in your town, the more RAM it consumes.
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Yeah I really like SIM games. rclxm9.gif

QUOTE(Baconateer @ Jan 12 2021, 09:39 AM)
that one is CPU heavy game
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QUOTE(Lfearlessly @ Jan 12 2021, 09:41 AM)
They will need more CPU usage instead of ram
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QUOTE(abu.shofwan @ Jan 12 2021, 09:43 AM)
Well, even if it uses close to the max, is the game running fine?
Coz I thought games tend to use up to the max available that they can use. Means, the more background processes that stay on RAM, the game will use less and less.
So, if the game is running fine, imho you don't really need to upgrade (yet)
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My CPU only uses about 46~50^% while playing according to MSIBurner. GPU as well around 50%
Only thing that i notice is the RAM usage. Am using Ryzen 5 2600, RTX2060.

This post has been edited by miyakochan89: Jan 12 2021, 11:01 AM
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post Jan 12 2021, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(abu.shofwan @ Jan 12 2021, 09:43 AM)
Well, even if it uses close to the max, is the game running fine?
Coz I thought games tend to use up to the max available that they can use. Means, the more background processes that stay on RAM, the game will use less and less.
So, if the game is running fine, imho you don't really need to upgrade (yet)
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Its typical OS to manage the ram and populate most of it. If you have 4GB, then about 1GB be idle, if 16GB most of it be used as well.
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post Jan 12 2021, 11:08 AM

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how about
1) Upgrading RAM (go for 16x2 if mobo support)
2) setting bios to push 3200MHz RAM clock (if Mobo support)

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post Jan 12 2021, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(miyakochan89 @ Jan 12 2021, 11:00 AM)
Yeah I really like SIM games.  rclxm9.gif
My CPU only uses about 46~50^% while playing according to MSIBurner. GPU as well around 50%
Only thing that i notice is the RAM usage. Am using Ryzen 5 2600, RTX2060.
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Perhaps you can try to upgrade, but I know anno 1800 like to utilize the ram as reserve, thus you will see almost 100% of ram utilization
This could be some kind of bug in the game, and they still never fix it yet
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post Jan 12 2021, 11:36 AM

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Without having played Anno 1800 do note that 50% CPU utilization does not necessarily mean there is not CPU bottleneck. If the game only utilizes 6 of your 12 threads ... 50% in the task manager could mean you're being CPU limited.

Same goes for the RAM, reserved doesn't have to mean its utilized.

Do check some benchmark results to find out if more ram is really going to help your fps and or frame times.
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post Jan 12 2021, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(jerrylo @ Jan 12 2021, 11:08 AM)
how about
1) Upgrading RAM (go for 16x2 if mobo support)
2) setting bios to push 3200MHz RAM clock (if Mobo support)
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Why 3200mhz only?
My RAM is running more than that I think.


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post Jan 12 2021, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(waghyu @ Jan 12 2021, 11:04 AM)
Its typical OS to manage the ram and populate most of it. If you have 4GB, then about 1GB be idle, if 16GB most of it be used as well.
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This...!!!

So really, your benchmark should be how well the game is running, not how much RAM, or CPU usage... Chasing bottlenecks when the game is already running at (for example) 126 fps is not really worth it. You declogg one, it will just shift to another, and so on and so forth.
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post Jan 12 2021, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(abu.shofwan @ Jan 12 2021, 12:25 PM)
This...!!!

So really, your benchmark should be how well the game is running, not how much RAM, or CPU usage... Chasing bottlenecks when the game is already running at (for example) 126 fps is not really worth it. You declogg one, it will just shift to another, and so on and so forth.
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60FPS only. So if my game is running ok, i shouldn't be bothered?


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post Jan 12 2021, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(miyakochan89 @ Jan 12 2021, 12:39 PM)
60FPS only. So if my game is running ok, i shouldn't be bothered?
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IMHO, you shouldn't upgrade. It's not reason enough. And besides, I have a feeling that upgrading RAM will not get you sufficient gain in fps. RAM is usually not the main cause of low fps.
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post Jan 12 2021, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(abu.shofwan @ Jan 12 2021, 12:25 PM)
This...!!!

So really, your benchmark should be how well the game is running, not how much RAM, or CPU usage... Chasing bottlenecks when the game is already running at (for example) 126 fps is not really worth it. You declogg one, it will just shift to another, and so on and so forth.
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If can reach 50-60 fps is good enough.
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post Jan 12 2021, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(miyakochan89 @ Jan 12 2021, 11:00 AM)
Yeah I really like SIM games.  rclxm9.gif
My CPU only uses about 46~50^% while playing according to MSIBurner. GPU as well around 50%
Only thing that i notice is the RAM usage. Am using Ryzen 5 2600, RTX2060.
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I too playing this game Anno 1800, and all other previous games such as Anno 2205, Anno History Collection ( 1404, 1503, 1602, 1701 ), Sim Cities, Sim Tycoon, and any other Sim games.

While others have said they are CPU extensive, but Anno is the only games that i've played that are less CPU but RAM extensive.

I have Ryzen 3600 with 12 cores and 32GB RAM and AMD Radeon RX580.

In Anno 1800 whenever i've build fully until the 4th map and beyond, the game usage of RAM can exceed 28-30GB, because of the huge town that i've build across different map and different islands, and always back and forth between maps to make sure my 50+ boats are sending correct resources.

With Anno 2205 is worst, its bad with 26GB RAM usage when i start building on the moon.

All these while my CPU usage less than 50% using 6 cores only.

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post Jan 12 2021, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(sickworms @ Jan 12 2021, 02:42 PM)
I too playing this game Anno 1800, and all other previous games such as Anno 2205, Anno History Collection ( 1404, 1503, 1602, 1701 ), Sim Cities, Sim Tycoon, and any other Sim games.

While others have said they are CPU extensive, but Anno is the only games that i've played that are less CPU but RAM extensive.

I have Ryzen 3600 with 12 cores and 32GB RAM and AMD Radeon RX580.

In Anno 1800 whenever i've build fully until the 4th map and beyond, the game usage of RAM can exceed 28-30GB, because of the huge town that i've build across different map and different islands, and always back and forth between maps to make sure my 50+ boats are sending correct resources.

With Anno 2205 is worst, its bad with 26GB RAM usage when i start building on the moon.

All these while my CPU usage less than 50% using 6 cores only.
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I also have tons of islands and resources, but population only at about 20K.
14GB used i think.
So now i am not very sure if i want to upgrade or not, based on some comments above, it doesn't seem necessary.
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post Jan 12 2021, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(miyakochan89 @ Jan 12 2021, 02:47 PM)
I also have tons of islands and resources, but population only at about 20K.
14GB used i think.
So now i am not very sure if i want to upgrade or not, based on some comments above, it doesn't seem necessary.
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If u watch linus tech tips, he always play Anno on his home computer, and he too said that Anno is the type of game which is RAM extensive.

So it still depend on your decision and wallet.
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post Jan 12 2021, 03:09 PM

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i havent played 1800 .. but all games will try utilize MAX ram usage even on the VRAM.. to optimize

hence even you have 64GB im sure you will see usage ard 60GB

the real question is do you think upgrading is JUSTIFIED?
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post Jan 12 2021, 04:27 PM

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TS, it may sound obvious, have you google "Anno 1800 ram usage" ?
The answer is maybe in the forums. A quick search reveal there are people complain about memory usage.

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post Jan 13 2021, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(CPURanger @ Jan 12 2021, 04:27 PM)
TS, it may sound obvious, have you google "Anno 1800 ram usage" ?
The answer is maybe in the forums. A quick search reveal there are people complain about memory usage.
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Good idea. and i just did that and I saw a lot of people commenting that it uses up to 34~38GB when the population in the game becomes crazy. rclxub.gif
I am thinking instead of buying 16GB x 2, i can just add in another 2 more 8GB RAM which will be cheaper for me. xD
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Sweet spot nowadays seems to be 16GB but if u need more then just upgrade
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My system is with 32GB. Total RAM usage when playing this game is around 21GB. I only on 3 worlds now. My pagefile commited usage is over 20GB with max allocated 37GB sweat.gif

If there's no slowdown then won't impact your gaming experience. Additional RAM only help to less writing on SSD which will help make the SSD last longer. But these days SSD also not expensive, it might even lived until your next system upgrade which that time use DDR5.
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post Jan 21 2021, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Jan 21 2021, 12:12 PM)
My system is with 32GB. Total RAM usage when playing this game is around 21GB. I only on 3 worlds now. My pagefile commited usage is over 20GB with max allocated 37GB sweat.gif

If there's no slowdown then won't impact your gaming experience. Additional RAM only help to less writing on SSD which will help make the SSD last longer. But these days SSD also not expensive, it might even lived until your next system upgrade which that time use DDR5.
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I am at the 4th worlds already.
So far ok la. A bit slow. but im also reducing my playtime now.
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QUOTE(FlamingR @ Jan 12 2021, 09:22 AM)
32GB is the new 16GB in 2021. Depends what other tasks you do with your PC while gaming too.
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you think so? I was in the market for a new laptop and it's surprising how many performance laptops still ship with 16 or even 8GB of RAM
Should I look for 32GB RAM in my laptop?
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post Jan 22 2021, 05:58 PM

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my chrome already eat up 4GB
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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Jan 22 2021, 05:58 PM)
my chrome already eat up 4GB
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you should switch to Edge.
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Jan 22 2021, 06:32 PM)
you should switch to Edge.
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i just put in more ram.



too attached with chrome...
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post Jan 23 2021, 01:20 AM

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QUOTE(pjkaka @ Jan 22 2021, 05:55 PM)
you think so? I was in the market for a new laptop and it's surprising how many performance laptops still ship with 16 or even 8GB of RAM
Should I look for 32GB RAM in my laptop?
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No 16GB is still the sweetest spot. 16GB to 32GB doesnt have much differences unless you are video editing and etc.

 

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