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TSRedshelf411
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Jan 4 2021, 06:54 PM, updated 5y ago
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Asking this because I'm still not too sure exactly how this whole termination thing functions. Let's say your company wants to terminate you immediately. Does the company still need to pay you the X months amount of compensation as stated in the offer letter you signed with them?
The cause of termination - let's say you have a disagreement with your boss, he took it personally, don't like you, so decides to terminate you with immediate effect. Can you bring this to labour department and ask for the X months of salary as compensation? Asking because the company I work for has the tendency for doing back door jobs, or use laluan tikus to "get things done". Please advise.
Edit: never mind. I re-read the offer letter again. It said that the employer can terminate at any given time w/o compensation. Oh well!
This post has been edited by Redshelf411: Jan 4 2021, 07:00 PM
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SotongBiru
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Jan 4 2021, 07:05 PM
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QUOTE(Redshelf411 @ Jan 4 2021, 06:54 PM) Asking this because I'm still not too sure exactly how this whole termination thing functions. Let's say your company wants to terminate you immediately. Does the company still need to pay you the X months amount of compensation as stated in the offer letter you signed with them? The cause of termination - let's say you have a disagreement with your boss, he took it personally, don't like you, so decides to terminate you with immediate effect. Can you bring this to labour department and ask for the X months of salary as compensation? Asking because the company I work for has the tendency for doing back door jobs, or use laluan tikus to "get things done". Please advise. Edit: never mind. I re-read the offer letter again. It said that the employer can terminate at any given time w/o compensation. Oh well! Can still go to PERKESO.
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matrix88
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Jan 4 2021, 07:07 PM
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QUOTE(Redshelf411 @ Jan 4 2021, 06:54 PM) Asking this because I'm still not too sure exactly how this whole termination thing functions. Let's say your company wants to terminate you immediately. Does the company still need to pay you the X months amount of compensation as stated in the offer letter you signed with them? The cause of termination - let's say you have a disagreement with your boss, he took it personally, don't like you, so decides to terminate you with immediate effect. Can you bring this to labour department and ask for the X months of salary as compensation? Asking because the company I work for has the tendency for doing back door jobs, or use laluan tikus to "get things done". Please advise. Edit: never mind. I re-read the offer letter again. It said that the employer can terminate at any given time w/o compensation. Oh well! Your boss cannot terminate you because of disagreement, if he take it personally and terminate you without any justified reason, you can lodge a report at labor office and ask for compensation/reinstatement
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chamelion
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Jan 4 2021, 07:12 PM
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Regardless of the employment letter, you cannot be terminated as per your description. It is against the law..
Generally, the compensation is 22 paydays for every year of service.
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TSRedshelf411
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Jan 4 2021, 09:12 PM
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QUOTE(chamelion @ Jan 4 2021, 07:12 PM) Regardless of the employment letter, you cannot be terminated as per your description. It is against the law.. Generally, the compensation is 22 paydays for every year of service. I haven't even served the full 12mths. 1/2 year at the most. So I don't think this 22days compensation applies.
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matrix88
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Jan 4 2021, 09:17 PM
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QUOTE(Redshelf411 @ Jan 4 2021, 09:12 PM) I haven't even served the full 12mths. 1/2 year at the most. So I don't think this 22days compensation applies. Have you been confirmed?
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TSRedshelf411
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Jan 4 2021, 10:13 PM
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QUOTE(matrix88 @ Jan 4 2021, 09:17 PM) Yes I have. I have a question though, let's say I submit my resignation letter and serve the X amount of months, can the company come back with a termination letter with immediate effect? Assuming I don't do anything stupid during the X months serving period.
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matrix88
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Jan 4 2021, 10:25 PM
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QUOTE(Redshelf411 @ Jan 4 2021, 10:13 PM) Yes I have. I have a question though, let's say I submit my resignation letter and serve the X amount of months, can the company come back with a termination letter with immediate effect? Assuming I don't do anything stupid during the X months serving period. If you to tender your resignation, company can put you on garden leave. But you lose your rights to fight in court.
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TSRedshelf411
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Jan 4 2021, 10:31 PM
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QUOTE(matrix88 @ Jan 4 2021, 10:25 PM) If you to tender your resignation, company can put you on garden leave. But you lose your rights to fight in court. But standard company rules still apply, right? Also, I read online that after garden leave, companies can ask you to come back and join the company, which I don't want for obv reasons. Just curious that if I tender resignation, the company may give immediate termination. So...
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matrix88
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Jan 4 2021, 10:38 PM
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Once you tender means you are gone. Garden leave is to get rid of you, won’t ask you to go back And you lose your rights.
Never a good move!
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TSRedshelf411
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Jan 4 2021, 10:50 PM
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QUOTE(matrix88 @ Jan 4 2021, 10:38 PM) Once you tender means you are gone. Garden leave is to get rid of you, won’t ask you to go back And you lose your rights. Never a good move! Oh wait does that mean you don't even get your salaries? Hold up can we back up a bit? Because I am not sure the garden leave I read online is similar to what you are trying to say. Mind explaining to me what your garden leave means? These are what I found: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_leavehttps://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/gardening-leave.asphttps://www.askewslegal.co/garden-leave-wha...-actually-mean/Because from my understanding, if you are put on garden leave, it just means that the company asks you to stay home to prevent you from accessing company files and folders. However, you will still be paid for the resignation period. This is what I read from googling garden leave.
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enterthefatdragon
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Jan 5 2021, 09:23 AM
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can always go to labor office
as long as you didnt go illegal activities or broken serious rules
they cannot immediately terminate
labor office side workers
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TSRedshelf411
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Jan 5 2021, 09:29 AM
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QUOTE(enterthefatdragon @ Jan 5 2021, 09:23 AM) can always go to labor office as long as you didnt go illegal activities or broken serious rules they cannot immediately terminate labor office side workers How do we justify "broken serious rules"? Because my boss, every tiny thing is "breaking serious rules", even if it's a small disagreement over some trivial matter.
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enterthefatdragon
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Jan 5 2021, 10:12 AM
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QUOTE(Redshelf411 @ Jan 5 2021, 09:29 AM) How do we justify "broken serious rules"? Because my boss, every tiny thing is "breaking serious rules", even if it's a small disagreement over some trivial matter.that one i confirm can argue, serious like breach of trust such as taken company money for own...leak company information to competitors....but that one also need concrete evidence if trivial matters, follow boss wimp and fancy, labor law will protect you for sure
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Eulm585
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Jan 5 2021, 11:29 AM
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QUOTE(enterthefatdragon @ Jan 5 2021, 10:12 AM) that one i confirm can argue, serious like breach of trust such as taken company money for own...leak company information to competitors....but that one also need concrete evidence if trivial matters, follow boss wimp and fancy, labor law will protect you for sure ^ This,for termination you would get 3 warning letters then only termination letter. Before you leave get all the evidence and bring to (ntuc I think if I remember correctly), if they didn't issue 3 warning letters then bring to court say unfair termination.
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TSRedshelf411
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Jan 5 2021, 11:33 AM
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QUOTE(Eulm585 @ Jan 5 2021, 11:29 AM) ^ This,for termination you would get 3 warning letters then only termination letter. Before you leave get all the evidence and bring to (ntuc I think if I remember correctly), if they didn't issue 3 warning letters then bring to court say unfair termination. This is what I thought so too. Because what are they gonna do? Say I didn't do my work? There's evidence I did my work. When CC my boss he gets pissed (which funnily enough he said to keep him in regular loop). He takes CC-ing him our job updates as us being incompetent when it's no where near that. Lateness? Not in the last 1 month so to speak. Bosses be having funny approaches to termination letters when theybcannot find solid proof.
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Eulm585
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Jan 5 2021, 11:38 AM
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QUOTE(Redshelf411 @ Jan 5 2021, 11:33 AM) This is what I thought so too. Because what are they gonna do? Say I didn't do my work? There's evidence I did my work. When CC my boss he gets pissed (which funnily enough he said to keep him in regular loop). He takes CC-ing him our job updates as us being incompetent when it's no where near that. Lateness? Not in the last 1 month so to speak. Bosses be having funny approaches to termination letters when theybcannot find solid proof. Don't care about what things he might have thought is wrong. Most important is that you receive warning letters saying that On XXX/2020 you were late to work, this is your first warning letter. Because without that explicit warning letters(you suppose to get 3 before grounds for termination) you want to pursue unfair dismissal if you got terminated without receiving your 3 warning letters.
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TSRedshelf411
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Jan 5 2021, 11:44 AM
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QUOTE(Eulm585 @ Jan 5 2021, 11:38 AM) Don't care about what things he might have thought is wrong. Most important is that you receive warning letters saying that On XXX/2020 you were late to work, this is your first warning letter. Because without that explicit warning letters(you suppose to get 3 before grounds for termination) you want to pursue unfair dismissal if you got terminated without receiving your 3 warning letters. Hmm. I haven't received any warning letters from the company yet. Verbal warning, yes. However, does show cause letters count as warning letters?
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enterthefatdragon
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Jan 5 2021, 11:50 AM
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QUOTE(Redshelf411 @ Jan 5 2021, 11:44 AM) Hmm. I haven't received any warning letters from the company yet. Verbal warning, yes. However, does show cause letters count as warning letters? warning letters also can argue labor office will defends you anyway end of the day normally employer will loss more than u true experience i saw before....
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Eulm585
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Jan 5 2021, 11:53 AM
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QUOTE(Redshelf411 @ Jan 5 2021, 11:44 AM) Hmm. I haven't received any warning letters from the company yet. Verbal warning, yes. However, does show cause letters count as warning letters? Show cause normally is for you to justify why you did this thing. Eg : show cause letter why you late on xx date. Then you would reply I wasnt late but xxxx. They can use it against you but not sure how effective in the eyes of labor law. Either way back up all the conversations you have
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