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post Mar 16 2022, 05:59 PM

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Hi sifus. Please help me out here 😞.
I drive a perodua myvi 2nd gen which has torsion beam at rear. Went to do alignment today and mechanic told me my rear toe in totalling both side to 1 degree. He offered 2 solutions.

1. Change the whole rear axle / torsion beam costing around RM650 Inc installation.

2. (For my understanding) Add shims / washer at 1 of the wheel bearing/ nut hole. To compensate the degree.

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Car has not been in an accident , only minor rear bang/light collision middle not side.

Can any sifu give me some opinions, since toe in will degrade tyre faster right.
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post Mar 21 2022, 12:34 PM

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Hello all sifus. Sorry for late reply.

I do notice excess wear on outer rear tyres. regarding about understeer, I don't notice it. But I do notice just a little bit of body vibration when getting up to highway speeds. But I already changed the tyres that day cause thread is up.

I went to do second alignment scan at another shop and it shows. Toe: RL0°11' RR0°40' I guess thats almost 1° on total right ? Since 60' is 1°

Heading to do 'shimjob' while replying this.

Thanks all sifus



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post Mar 21 2022, 02:37 PM

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Hi guys. Done the shim job. Foreman says usually won't tune it to absolute zero. Rear wheel will leave a small margin of toe in.

I can slightly feel that the deceleration rate when off throttle is reduced (able to maintain speed longer while cruising off throttle / less drag) don't know if it's a placebo effect or not.

Steering is more centered, heaviness of turning left/right feels more balance (previously heavier turning right)

Tiny vibration during acceleration has been reduced.

Will do a highway test to confirm testimony.

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post Mar 21 2022, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Mar 21 2022, 05:49 PM)
Hi, yes you are right in suggesting 60' is 1° .

With Rear Toes at +0°11' (at LR) and +0°40' (at RR) i.e Rear Total Toes is +0°51' .

As suggested by @amduser above:

I would be surprised if you do not have outside edge tyre wear as suggested.

The question is:
do you experience more outside wear on Right Rear tyre only,
or Left Rear tyre only,
or both rear tyres wear at the same rate?

I concur you should experience understeer phenomenon when pushing the car to the 'limit' during fast cornering/turning if you know what I mean.

You don't feel it that way. But that maybe you were not pushing hard enough? IDK.

The little bit of body vibration when getting up to highway speeds that you experienced is most probably caused by what @amduser says:
Ok, you have decided on doing a shimming job.

Care to enlighten us how long a time is the job?

Types of shims or washers used, material metal or plastic elastomers?

Thickness of shims used?

Only on one side or both sides of Rear?

How much is your wallet damage?

How many times does the shop dismount and remount the tyres onto the tyre rim hubs, as I read it could take a long time like 2 rounds or more in between setting up on alignment machine?

Would appreciate if you could upload the Before and After Alignment print out to share about the quality and finishing to the shimming job as well as the alignment job.

Do you mind sharing as I am very keen to know the name and location of the shop that do your shimming job for I have been researching/enquiring about it for my Avanza rear axle without success thus far, and also location of alignment shop if they are another different shop.........
assuming you are quite happy with their rear axle shimming and alignment workmanship and pricings.
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Hi zeng, if I'm not mistaken:
Process was around 60-90minutes.
Done on both sides.
Per side is RM70 so damage is 140 in total for me.
Type, thickness, and how many times they repeat the process that I don't know cause I was at the waiting room. 😂 Since I trust them so much.

Shop is at JB Kempas. You can search for Jetsinn Tyre Auto Service Centre. You can find for Ah Bao 阿宝(60137615050). A few couple shops next to marrybrown.

P.s:
I cannot guarantee that they're expert in shim or washer jobs. Since this is my first time doing this adjustment aswell. But they are very loyal indeed. It's the only shop that fix my balancing issue after running 5-6 shops. They are actually TVC Toyota Vios Club members so I guess there are experienced in cambers, caster, toe adjustments. Very very Honest, price is very reasonable for their skillset. Went there the first time in 2019 never went to other place for servicing 😂

Just let them know I'm 8109 blue myvi if u're heading there.
I will be continuing to take more tests highspeed wise, just to make sure the integrity and safety.

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post Apr 18 2022, 10:27 PM

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Hello friends I'm back. After going trips from JB to KL. I notice my car like to swerve left and right. But not in a consistent pace, its intermittent. Let's say I keep the steering straight, the car will swerve right then suddenly swerve left as the steering is Abit loose. I don't know if it's due to the shim job. Gonna check soon. I did found a good high speed balancing shop at KL Ampang - VK TYRES Auto Services.

 

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