Any idea?

And where to buy these engine oil? In Mid Valley or around Mid Valley...
Anyone using Magnatec? Izit good?

This post has been edited by DaViDcHiN: Aug 18 2007, 10:45 PM

quite subjective question...
different engine have different taste...

castrol magnatec or other semi engine oil should good enough for normal car...
make sure get SM/CF latest engine oil spec...

Too many fake Castrol and even the spareparts shops can't tell the difference. That makes it very risky to get Castrol. I do not trust semi-synthetic oils as there's no fixed ratio on how much synthetic it has to be before it is considered as semi. Even with 10% synthetic, it is still considered as semi-syn.

LOL ... fake Castrol. This is something new!

Fake engine oil also got. Really Malaysia!

This post has been edited by David83: Aug 18 2007, 10:59 PM

It's not new. This has been a problem for a very long time now.

I'm using Castrol magnatec. One distinctive difference when I changed to this from the usual semi-sync oil is that its a bit tougher to rev. Its like...the oil is thicker (more protection maybe) and is preventing the engine pistons from moving as quick as it should. But I feel more at ease when starting the car every morning, especially in cold days

get conoco hydroclear diamond 5w-30
is a damn good high quality oil ! im serious here.

Also another user here. Higher tier quality semi syn compared to other semi syns

Recommended =D


This post has been edited by daijoubu: Aug 19 2007, 02:47 AM

Motul, high rev

motul n redline is juz too expensive lol
i use Castrol EDGE Sport Fully Synthetic 10W60 on my MIVEC
before that 10W50 from LUBRIMAXX
u can see that the castrol is actually heavier grade but eventually, i can rev much smoother than lubrimaxx

U changed already?
How did the oil perform compared to your old one?

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Added on August 19, 2007, 7:21 amThe Hydroclear Diamond 5W-30 is fully synthetic, no?

This post has been edited by scorgio: Aug 19 2007, 07:21 AM

10W-60 is too heavy for high reving engines. You should not use anything heavier than 0W-30. The heaviest you should go is 10W-40 to avoid straining the internal engine components at high rev. I guess when you converted your engine you don't get the Mivec manual that says only use 0W-30 engine oil. Same as all the VTEC engines, light oil is best and less stress.

I have tested Shell Helix Plus 15W-50 semi-synthetic for my B16A, and it sucks. Sometimes the VTEC didn't even engage!. It sure is smooth, but it's too thick.

I'm back using Idemitsu 15W-40 mineral which I've always used all these while, definitely much-much better... but needs some running first. Most important, it's cheap.

There is no 1 engine oil that is good for every engine. Every engine might have different taste.

This post has been edited by soulfly: Aug 19 2007, 11:25 AM

Actually there is... the lighter the better coupled with high quality protection. Almost all engine manufacturers would recommend the lightest engine possible to ensure that the engine is not stressed and fuel consumption is improved. XW-30 and XW-40 series oil are the best for any car unless the engine seals are leaking due to wear and tear or age.

im not so sure tht 10w-60 is too heavy for high revving engines.
because factory oil for the new BMW M3 and the Ferarri cars are 10w-60 oil. M series and the ferarris are high revving engine.
and for ferrari, u will void the warranty if you dont use the 10w-60 oil provided by shell.

but we have to remember also that this cars are at least 4000cc and above.

i juz use castrol...dunno which 1...juz kno is 15w-40...how much u all buy it?i buy it at rm50... izit cheap or expensive?

High displacement engines don't suffer that as much as high reving honda engines. The torque provided by those engines no longer make them high reving, as in high reving to produce the necessary power. The same can't be said for 2L high reving honda engines. Power comes only in the top end and 90% of the usable torque is only available above vtec range.

M3s, Ferraris and high displacement engines produce 90% of their usable torque between 3-6k of their RPM range. If you look back at BMWs history, they went from light Mobil engine oils to heavy Castrol engine oils, all due to 'business' relationships. Same goes for Ferrari and Mercedes and their 'associate' oil companies.

i recall from reading an article that it is actually a very high grade semi syn, not actually a fully syn, regardless of what it was marketed as
but i cant remember where i read it from

we previously discussed a couple of engine oils here : http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=426327&hl=

This post has been edited by daijoubu: Aug 19 2007, 02:26 PM

Damn cheap! i usually bought around RM80++. and now only i know they got fake Castrol in the market. aiyaaa.. i hope i never kena the fake one

Shell also a lot of fake oil. Not only Castrol.

any price difference between ori and fake oil?

changed, definitely smoother than previous 1

izzit? maddriver says 10w60 for high revving engine so that the internal got enough protection during high revving which will expand engine lifespan
yes, 10W40 can give much more acceleration/smoothness but my internal will be fark up in no time if always high revving
i got the MIRAGE CYBORG manual though but never bother to read it coz it is in japanese

The protection properties of the engine oil is not directly related with its viscosity. Honda recommends it's own 0W30 or 10W30 engine oil for VTEC. Mitsubishi recommends the same for all of its engines, including the EVO. Subaru recommends 0W-30 too. Only time to use a slightly thicker engine oil like 10W-40 is when the car is used in very hot enviroment like deserts.

Castrol EDGE which is 5W40
Castrol EDGE Sport which is 10W60

i wonder why the later 1 got the name 'sport' behind?

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Added on August 19, 2007, 8:25 pmthat is 1 of the main reason i decided to get 10W60
really curious

This post has been edited by imperialrealcs: Aug 19 2007, 08:25 PM

Next round u can try the Castrol EDGE.
Then you'll know which is best for your engine loh.

Sleepwalker, until now I'm still not sure which is the best oil for VTEC? According to this website, Honda recommends 15w40 semi-synthetic. Always stress when purchasing engine oil .
Btw, anyone knows where to get Idemitsu?

I guess their marketing department is doing their job if they got you to purchase the engine oil just because of the word sports. Castrol Edge cost more than Castrol Edge Sports. Castrol Edge Sports used to be known as Castrol RS and I've used it before. Power lost.. substantial.

Reason for sports use.. simple. When the car is used in the track, the engine temperature goes so high that it does not matter what viscosity you use, they all end up the same. It's so hot that they all end up like water, even with 10W-60, so it works just fine in Sports but not for street applications.

Try changing to a lighter engine oil and feel the difference. Then ask yourself a simple question. Why is does the engine feel heavier with the heavier oil? So much more resistance in the engine that it is felt by the driver.

Well, Edge Sports is good but not the best around. It's one of the cheapest fully synthetics around because it's not Ester based. The best ones around are Ester based. Also because they don't have proper distribution in Malaysia, there is too many fakes in the market. I've personally encountered the fake ones and lost about 1.5L in less in 1000km mileage. Took it out immediately and never use again. Furthermore I've been buying from the same shop without issues previously. Currently I'm using Petronas Syntium 5000 0W-30 and damn it is nice. I also chose it because I can get 5L packs (4+1) and that only their biggest petrol stations stock it. Furthermore it's one of the few companies that make the same grade with different viscosity.

This post has been edited by sleepwalker: Aug 19 2007, 08:50 PM

Thanks sleepwalker for the usual treasure trove of information u share with us. Indeed, ive tried heavier oils and my revs just drag. Currently on a rated oil of 5w-30. Feels good. But that Petronas Syntium 5000 0w-30 sounds verrry tempting

I don't know about your place, but here in Miri... Idemitsu can be found easily.

Honda VTEC oil = Idemitsu semi-synthetic 15W-40

sleepwalker, currently im running on Syntium 800 semi..should i stick with it? plan to upgrade to motul turbolight 4100 semi..im driving 1.6campro btw

There's no "BEST" engine oil for all. Regardless of brand or viscosity.

Try & find one which is most suited to your car.

currently using ELF semi-synth... forgot which one but works fine

Is Shell Helix good?

Which 1 better? Helix Plus? Helix Super?

as far as i concern, shell oil is 1 of the worst in malaysia
correct me if im wrong but last time i use shell helix on perdana SEi (from proton SC lah)
throttle feels heavy n hard to climb rpm ladder lol
once tested Vaico (german), ELF, Castrol GTX
damn 9 powerful than shell helix

How about this:
ELF COMPETITION ST 15W-50 (Semi-synthetic).

Also any one know the price in M'sia? May try them out for my 2.0 turbo car. TQ.

This post has been edited by blue.taxi: Aug 20 2007, 11:36 AM

Motul Turbolight 4100 is okay. Very similar to Castrol Magnetec. I've not used Syntium 800 so I can't comment on it.

just get ur engine oil from well known companies and the most is Xw-40.
thay are good enough for normal and some spirited driving.

Wat engine oil r u using now?

How about Mobil? try b4?

I think the Idemitsu Semi Sync = 10W40

Honda's oil is manufactured by Idemitsu. I'm not sure if they did anything extra as in adding extra stuffs into the oil for Honda.

I'm using Honda semi sync and with no problems at all.

How bout mobil M1 engine oil?

Hmmmm i'm using Syntium 1000 n to me its ok.. Used BP synthetic b4 n i found em not to my taste, the engine feels heavy and lazy..

im using Castrol 10W60, heavy, but rev hapily
mobil expensive loh

There is a reason for the price difference. Try lighter engine oils and it will even be more happy to rev.

I'm driving LMST.. I already REV above 4k rpm.. What engine oil is suitable? current I just using 10/40w semi synthetic oil. (bProton SC shop brand).

This post has been edited by singchaii: Aug 20 2007, 07:03 PM

but u sure lighter engine oil xW40 wont damage my internal with rev around 7k? if yes, then i might wana try lighter oil
btw, from mineral oil changed to fully synthetic, do i really really ned to flush my engine?
coz when i change engine oil to fully synthetic, i dont see my mech flushing my engine oil.. then i ask him n he said forgotten
but he claim that it is ok... abit scared now

4k~5k is normal.. try above 6k~7k since ur engine oil is light
btw, proton SC use Shell if not wrong

I rev till 7k, even on 4th gear, and no problems. You're not the only one who revs that high. As for flush, they are not recommended as they leave behind harsh chemicals that's not good for the engine. There is no need to flush at all if the engine oil is changed every 3 months or 5000km.

Rev above 6k-7k? 4g13p can take this 6k-7k rpm? Hehe..

Probably, they give u Shell Super only, which is a multigrade mineral oil.

I saw another forum, they all recommend Mobil,

For me, I just don't wan cheap oil, n not heavy....any recommendation?

I rev high once in a while, maybe once a week, or twice a month to maintain the power.....

I prefer better torque...any idea?

i'm using Q8.. its kinda not bad.. silent engine, response etc.
the only thing is that the price is increasing quite rapidly,
n also its kinda hard to source for it.. only few shops are selling it..

Wat brand? Mobil?

The brand is called Q8. Top of their line is called Q8 Formula 1. Yes, it is getting difficult to source as it is expensive and not very well known here. My workshop still has a source for it.

thanks for the explanation
i've also managed to find a source for it..
recommendable, except for the hiking in price and difficulty in sourcing

my suggestion is castrol syntec 0w-30 @/aka German Castrol
very good fully synthetic grade IV + V oils.

where to get it
i get it from here
http://www.myoilstore.com

why not? 4G13 can take up to 6.5k rpm

if u got the cash, juz go for redline/motul/Q8 etc

AMSOIL (not to be confused with Amoil) is the first company to come up with fully synthetic oil. That's what they boldly claim and no one dare to sue them or using the tagline "1st in synthetic"

I'm using AMSOIL ATM with 10W/30 grade..they have pretty diverse viscosity grade in their product lineup.

https://www.amsoil.com/storefront/SearchRes...?CategoryID=228

So far so good, won't return to mineral oil again.

I mail ordered from http://www.myoilstore.com too..

My foreman told me that my car(Satria GTI) cannot use Fully Sync, can use Mineral/Semi-sync only, -.-" anymore recommendation?

dude, take a look here
http://www.schaefferoil.com/datapdf/705.pdf
this 20W50 which is highest grade among its product line also given the name 'racing', juz like castrol EDGE 'SPORT'

Marketing. Why don't you check the oils from the largest Petroleum companies and they do not need to associate themselves with 'racing' or 'sports'. Well, at least I know that their marketing strategies are working on you.

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Added on August 21, 2007, 8:55 amThe only engine that cannot use full syn is the rotary engine from the Mazda RX series. All other engines can unless it has worn out seals. Get your foreman to explain why or else find another more reliable foreman.

This post has been edited by sleepwalker: Aug 21 2007, 08:55 AM

Is it recommended to use semi-synthetic first instead of a direct jump to fully synthetic? I'm not sure, this is what I read somewhere...

Not necessary unless you are driving a very old or worn-out engine.

i've checked AMSOIL, 20W50 also got 'racing'
https://www.amsoil.com/storefront/SearchRes...px?CategoryID=2

MOTUL.. both 20W60 n 15W50 also got competition/racing name
http://www.motul.com.my/product_line_up/4s.../4stroke01.html

im not sure if this is purely advertising but there must be reason why all of them using the name performance/racing etc on thick oil.. hmmmmm
nontheless, couldnt find any article related

but r u racing?
check properly in motul and redline website. their 15w/20w-50 oil is for endurance race.
and btw, do u know that RACING engine oil cannot use on normal street car.
it is because RACING engine oil doesnt have the detergents to clean up the by products of engine.
thats y they use new RACING engine oil every time they start a race.

He most probably think that by going full throttle for 20 seconds and shifting at from 2nd to 3rd at 7000 rpm is racing and that he needs to get engine oil that has the word 'Racing' or 'Sports' on it. I guess he's never tried pushing the car all out at 7000 rpm from 2nd gear to 4th gear and repeat that process 15 times in Sepang per lap for 30 laps.

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Added on August 21, 2007, 4:40 pmLIke I said before, if you take your car into the track, your 10W-60 engine oil will feel like 0W30 and will be the same like any other 0W30 engine oil. When you take the dip stick out, oil actually drips like water. So on heavier engine oils you can use it for racing without a problem but when you use it for street, the additional stress actually slows down the engine.

Anyway, go and list all the engine oils you want. I've used Castrol 10W-60 for some years believing that the extra heavy oil will help protect the engine but only to find out that Castrol RS (now Edge Sport) is not the best engine oils around. Its quality is about the same as expensive semi-syn. That was when i stopped using it.

This post has been edited by sleepwalker: Aug 21 2007, 04:40 PM

nope, im definitely not that type of driver n definitely not rich enough to own high end racing car like u do..
but i juz want full protection for my engine be it during low speed, or fast speed..
since u said 10W40 is good enough for my car, maybe i'll try it next change
thankz for all the sarcastic remark btw

btw, when it is too heavy also
it will bring harm to the car because the pump need to work extra and the engine oil wont reach the crucial parts of engine.

i suggest u to visit autoworld forum in oil section and bobistheoilguy forum

at the moment, for me
i will use max Xw-30 oil.
for 50% town 30% highway 20% redline driving.

1 more, u have to understand the cert on the oil also
like the
* ACEA A3/B4-04
* MB p. 229.5
* BMW LL01
* VW 502.00/505.00
* GM LL A025 / B025

this cert can give u a lot of info in choosing ur engine oil.
eg: BMW LL01 - LL-01 is only for Group IV or Group V based oils.






This post has been edited by ulet: Aug 21 2007, 06:49 PM

thankz for the informative reply
btw, what car are u using? i think xW30 is toooo light for my engine ler XD

yes, u r right
dont jump straight to fully syn

I go for Endless...

You're welcome..

im using waja 1.6 4g18p engine.

i suggest u try 1st Xw-30 and see whether there is significant of engine oil lost.
if there is, upgrade the vicosity to Xw-40.
If there is no oil lost, meaning u are ok to use Xw-30.

btw, im running on 0w-30 for already more than 12,000km and there is no oil lost and my car odometre is 57,000km+.

This post has been edited by ulet: Aug 22 2007, 09:21 AM

now alot is fake 1 la...the ??w-?? sm/cf or what all also got fake 1 now...the best is u try 1st then u will know...hear b4 braxton engine oil?
if i would say its better than the shell 1 and the price is cheaper?

hey guys, need some advise.....after reading your comments....

i am using 10W-40 castrol magnatec......got it from distributor of Castrol after I called into Castrol headquarters.....they gave me address of their distributor in Taman Sea or is it Paramount in PJ.......so this to minimize my chances of getting fake oil..........

just wondering if this is ok for my car.....its kia carens II......its a mini mpv I would say........my driving style can be considered non-spirited......RPM only goes to 2k or 3k before the car changes gear......mostly 2k+.......

i only rev it till 4k or 5k when cutting car using trunk road or going uphill like genting.......

so....just wondering if I should go for petronas fully synthetic of 10W-30 or 5W-30......or should I maintain at 10W-40........

using 10W-40 i change the oil every 5K-6K interval....

my mechanic says if I use the 10W-30 or 5W-30 petronas can change at 10k.........

so...which oild should I go for and change at which interval......thanks....

i wonder, if you change the oil at 10k, what about the oil filter? thought oil filter is recommended to change at 5k

Refer to Ulet's post. If engine consume the thinner oil, just change to thicker oil la.

Oil line has some kind of stop valve- you can change filter without draining out the oil, oil won't come out one - most people do this. After changing the filter, just top up the oil by 150-200ml to refill the new filter with oil.

And some oil filters rated to last very long mileage - 20k km like my Savvy original oil filter.

This post has been edited by hypermount: Aug 22 2007, 08:40 PM

okie....thanks for the advice.....

oil filter for carens is rated at 10k km interval....

I suggest u to start with good FULLY SYNTHETIC Xw-30.
good fully synthetic that i recommend is castrol syntec 0w-30 or the mobil EP 5w-30.
both also can get from myoilstore.com

hmm....okie......but how about petronas brand? fully syn from petronas is good or not? of course assuming that its not fake la......

anyone using penzoil? any comment? i heard that toyota using penzoil bcoz penzoil from umw...correct me if i m wrong

Magnatec is bloody expensive now, initally priced at RM65, now RM78 - RM80. I might consider changing to other brands such as Q8 and etc.

i don't think it's fake if you buy from petrol station.

Anyone heard about Hi-Rev engine oil? I'm using 10w-30 for semi synthetic oil. Any commen on this oil ?

I'm using Magnatec as well. So far so good

so which rating is good for a stock 1.3 saga? 60,000km on the road, 2 years old car and occasional hi revs. Currently using 20/50 mineral. Planning to change to fully synthetic for better protection due to the 'occasional' hi revs mentioned above.

Basically I just need suggestion on which rating should I consider. Then I'll check my wallet and see which brand I should go for.

mobil 1 is the best. used for all my cars. even my old 7 years old grandis is working fine. fully synthetic

I prefer SHELL HELIX PLUS ....

I am now using Petronas Syntium 800 ( 15w/50 ) on my Satria Neo, is it good ? anyone can recommend me what oil should i use for my car ?

any comment for this brand?

Im using endless 10/40W Semi synthetic for second round. so far so good.

used to have motul 300v 15/50 on my car very good no problems at all. but very pricey 4.5liter for 300bucks.
recently switched to torco 10/40 or 5/40 cant remember engine sounds noiser from outside during cold start, but car seems to be rev happier . maybe bcos the oil is light.

Petronas syntium is good enough for me. I'm a regular user of syntium 800/1000 and for performance/protection wise
its quite impressive. As a frequent user of east-west highway it gives me a smooth ride in that stressful road condition.

Check out http://www.bobistheoilguy.com

A wealth of info on engine oils there.