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post Aug 18 2007, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(DaViDcHiN @ Aug 18 2007, 10:25 PM)
Any idea?

And where to buy these engine oil? In Mid Valley or around Mid Valley...
Anyone using Magnatec? Izit good?
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Too many fake Castrol and even the spareparts shops can't tell the difference. That makes it very risky to get Castrol. I do not trust semi-synthetic oils as there's no fixed ratio on how much synthetic it has to be before it is considered as semi. Even with 10% synthetic, it is still considered as semi-syn.
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post Aug 18 2007, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 18 2007, 10:58 PM)
LOL ... fake Castrol. This is something new!

Fake engine oil also got. sleep.gif Really Malaysia!
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It's not new. This has been a problem for a very long time now.
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post Aug 19 2007, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Aug 19 2007, 01:53 AM)
motul n redline is juz too expensive lol
i use Castrol EDGE Sport Fully Synthetic 10W60 on my MIVEC
before that 10W50 from LUBRIMAXX
u can see that the castrol is actually heavier grade but eventually, i can rev much smoother than lubrimaxx
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10W-60 is too heavy for high reving engines. You should not use anything heavier than 0W-30. The heaviest you should go is 10W-40 to avoid straining the internal engine components at high rev. I guess when you converted your engine you don't get the Mivec manual that says only use 0W-30 engine oil. Same as all the VTEC engines, light oil is best and less stress.
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post Aug 19 2007, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(soulfly @ Aug 19 2007, 11:24 AM)
I have tested Shell Helix Plus 15W-50 semi-synthetic for my B16A, and it sucks. Sometimes the VTEC didn't even engage!. It sure is smooth, but it's too thick.

I'm back using Idemitsu 15W-40 mineral which I've always used all these while, definitely much-much better... but needs some running first. Most important, it's cheap.

There is no 1 engine oil that is good for every engine. Every engine might have different taste.
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Actually there is... the lighter the better coupled with high quality protection. Almost all engine manufacturers would recommend the lightest engine possible to ensure that the engine is not stressed and fuel consumption is improved. XW-30 and XW-40 series oil are the best for any car unless the engine seals are leaking due to wear and tear or age.
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QUOTE(ulet @ Aug 19 2007, 12:13 PM)
im not so sure tht 10w-60 is too heavy for high revving engines.
because factory oil for the new BMW M3 and the Ferarri cars are 10w-60 oil. M series and the ferarris are high revving engine.
and for ferrari, u will void the warranty if you dont use the 10w-60 oil provided by shell.

but we have to remember also that this cars are at least 4000cc and above.
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High displacement engines don't suffer that as much as high reving honda engines. The torque provided by those engines no longer make them high reving, as in high reving to produce the necessary power. The same can't be said for 2L high reving honda engines. Power comes only in the top end and 90% of the usable torque is only available above vtec range.

M3s, Ferraris and high displacement engines produce 90% of their usable torque between 3-6k of their RPM range. If you look back at BMWs history, they went from light Mobil engine oils to heavy Castrol engine oils, all due to 'business' relationships. Same goes for Ferrari and Mercedes and their 'associate' oil companies.

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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Aug 19 2007, 06:55 PM)
changed, definitely smoother than previous 1
izzit? maddriver says 10w60 for high revving engine so that the internal got enough protection during high revving which will expand engine lifespan  rclxub.gif
yes, 10W40 can give much more acceleration/smoothness but my internal will be fark up in no time if always high revving
i got the MIRAGE CYBORG manual though but never bother to read it coz it is in japanese tongue.gif
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The protection properties of the engine oil is not directly related with its viscosity. Honda recommends it's own 0W30 or 10W30 engine oil for VTEC. Mitsubishi recommends the same for all of its engines, including the EVO. Subaru recommends 0W-30 too. Only time to use a slightly thicker engine oil like 10W-40 is when the car is used in very hot enviroment like deserts.
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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Aug 19 2007, 08:23 PM)
Castrol EDGE which is 5W40
Castrol EDGE Sport which is 10W60

i wonder why the later 1 got the name 'sport' behind?


Added on August 19, 2007, 8:25 pmthat is 1 of the main reason i decided to get 10W60 laugh.gif
really curious
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I guess their marketing department is doing their job if they got you to purchase the engine oil just because of the word sports. Castrol Edge cost more than Castrol Edge Sports. Castrol Edge Sports used to be known as Castrol RS and I've used it before. Power lost.. substantial.

Reason for sports use.. simple. When the car is used in the track, the engine temperature goes so high that it does not matter what viscosity you use, they all end up the same. It's so hot that they all end up like water, even with 10W-60, so it works just fine in Sports but not for street applications.

Try changing to a lighter engine oil and feel the difference. Then ask yourself a simple question. Why is does the engine feel heavier with the heavier oil? So much more resistance in the engine that it is felt by the driver.

Well, Edge Sports is good but not the best around. It's one of the cheapest fully synthetics around because it's not Ester based. The best ones around are Ester based. Also because they don't have proper distribution in Malaysia, there is too many fakes in the market. I've personally encountered the fake ones and lost about 1.5L in less in 1000km mileage. Took it out immediately and never use again. Furthermore I've been buying from the same shop without issues previously. Currently I'm using Petronas Syntium 5000 0W-30 and damn it is nice. I also chose it because I can get 5L packs (4+1) and that only their biggest petrol stations stock it. Furthermore it's one of the few companies that make the same grade with different viscosity.

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QUOTE(ntlc87 @ Aug 19 2007, 10:57 PM)
sleepwalker, currently im running on Syntium 800 semi..should i stick with it? plan to upgrade to motul turbolight 4100 semi..im driving 1.6campro btw
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Motul Turbolight 4100 is okay. Very similar to Castrol Magnetec. I've not used Syntium 800 so I can't comment on it.
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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Aug 20 2007, 06:24 PM)
im using Castrol 10W60, heavy, but rev hapily laugh.gif
mobil expensive loh
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There is a reason for the price difference. Try lighter engine oils and it will even be more happy to rev.
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post Aug 20 2007, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Aug 20 2007, 07:13 PM)
but u sure lighter engine oil xW40 wont damage my internal with rev around 7k? if yes, then i might wana try lighter oil biggrin.gif
btw, from mineral oil changed to fully synthetic, do i really really ned to flush my engine?
coz when i change engine oil to fully synthetic, i dont see my mech flushing my engine oil.. then i ask him n he said forgotten doh.gif
but he claim that it is ok... abit scared now
4k~5k is normal.. try above 6k~7k since ur engine oil is light
btw, proton SC use Shell if not wrong
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I rev till 7k, even on 4th gear, and no problems. You're not the only one who revs that high. As for flush, they are not recommended as they leave behind harsh chemicals that's not good for the engine. There is no need to flush at all if the engine oil is changed every 3 months or 5000km.
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post Aug 21 2007, 12:30 AM

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QUOTE(DaViDcHiN @ Aug 21 2007, 12:24 AM)
Wat brand? Mobil?
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The brand is called Q8. Top of their line is called Q8 Formula 1. Yes, it is getting difficult to source as it is expensive and not very well known here. My workshop still has a source for it.
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post Aug 21 2007, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Aug 21 2007, 04:00 AM)
dude, take a look here
http://www.schaefferoil.com/datapdf/705.pdf
this 20W50 which is highest grade among its product line also given the name 'racing', juz like castrol EDGE 'SPORT'
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Marketing. Why don't you check the oils from the largest Petroleum companies and they do not need to associate themselves with 'racing' or 'sports'. Well, at least I know that their marketing strategies are working on you.


Added on August 21, 2007, 8:55 am
QUOTE(DaViDcHiN @ Aug 21 2007, 02:42 AM)
My foreman told me that my car(Satria GTI) cannot use Fully Sync, can use Mineral/Semi-sync only, -.-" anymore recommendation?
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The only engine that cannot use full syn is the rotary engine from the Mazda RX series. All other engines can unless it has worn out seals. Get your foreman to explain why or else find another more reliable foreman.

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QUOTE(Dannyl @ Aug 21 2007, 09:09 AM)
Is it recommended to use semi-synthetic first instead of a direct jump to fully synthetic?  I'm not sure, this is what I read somewhere...
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Not necessary unless you are driving a very old or worn-out engine.
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post Aug 21 2007, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(ulet @ Aug 21 2007, 01:12 PM)
but r u racing?
check properly in motul and redline website. their 15w/20w-50 oil is for endurance race.
and btw, do u know that RACING engine oil cannot use on normal street car.
it is because RACING engine oil doesnt have the detergents to clean up the by products of engine.
thats y they use new RACING engine oil every time they start a race.
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He most probably think that by going full throttle for 20 seconds and shifting at from 2nd to 3rd at 7000 rpm is racing and that he needs to get engine oil that has the word 'Racing' or 'Sports' on it. I guess he's never tried pushing the car all out at 7000 rpm from 2nd gear to 4th gear and repeat that process 15 times in Sepang per lap for 30 laps.


Added on August 21, 2007, 4:40 pm
QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Aug 21 2007, 12:55 PM)
i've checked AMSOIL, 20W50 also got 'racing'
https://www.amsoil.com/storefront/SearchRes...px?CategoryID=2

MOTUL.. both 20W60 n 15W50 also got competition/racing name
http://www.motul.com.my/product_line_up/4s.../4stroke01.html

im not sure if this is purely advertising but there must be reason why all of them using the name performance/racing etc on thick oil.. hmmmmm
nontheless, couldnt find any article related
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LIke I said before, if you take your car into the track, your 10W-60 engine oil will feel like 0W30 and will be the same like any other 0W30 engine oil. When you take the dip stick out, oil actually drips like water. So on heavier engine oils you can use it for racing without a problem but when you use it for street, the additional stress actually slows down the engine.

Anyway, go and list all the engine oils you want. I've used Castrol 10W-60 for some years believing that the extra heavy oil will help protect the engine but only to find out that Castrol RS (now Edge Sport) is not the best engine oils around. Its quality is about the same as expensive semi-syn. That was when i stopped using it.

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post Aug 22 2007, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Aug 21 2007, 05:42 PM)
nope, im definitely not that type of driver n definitely not rich enough to own high end racing car like u do..
but i juz want full protection for my engine be it during low speed, or fast speed..
since u said 10W40 is good enough for my car, maybe i'll try it next change
thankz for all the sarcastic remark btw smile.gif
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