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post Nov 16 2020, 03:21 PM, updated 6y ago

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Insurance agent claims cops wrongfully summoned her for using a handphone while driving

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IPOH: An insurance agent has claimed that she was wrongfully summoned for using her mobile phone while driving.

Sau Peng Wan, 36, said she was stopped at a police roadblock on Jalan Sultan Nazrin Shah on her way to Greentown from Gunung Rapat at about 6pm on Oct 15.

"I denied it as my phone was in my handbag all the time," Sau said, adding that when she asked for proof, the policeman who stopped her said a colleague had seen her on the phone.

"He issued me a non-compoundable summons and asked me to sign it but I declined.

"He then threw the summons through the window and told me to go to court to fight the case," she said.

Sau said she tried to lodge a police report at the Gunung Rapat police station but was turned away.

"I was told that they don't accept reports against the police at the station," she said.

"My husband then suggested I send an email to the police Integrity and Standard Compliance Department (JIPS)," she said during a press conference held by Perak MCA Public Service and Complaints Bureau chief Low Guo Nan on Monday (Nov 16).

Sau said when she did not receive any feedback from the police, she turned to Low for advice.

"Low told me to print out call records from the telecommunications company as proof that I did not use my phone," she said, adding that she bought a camera and installed it pointing inside the car cabin in case such an incident occurred again.

Low said the police needed to show more professionalism.

"We respect the police and the work they do, but I hope they can show proof before they take action.

"Sau now needs to go through the hassle of spending time and money to go to court," he said.

Ipoh OCPD Asst Comm A. Asmadi Abdul Aziz said if Sau insisted she did not commit any offence, she would need to argue her case in court.

On the Gunung Rapat police station refusing to take her report, ACP Asmadi said JIPS would investigate the matter.

"It is an offence not to take down any report from the public. But if our investigation shows there was a wrongful accusation to smear the image of the police, we will take necessary legal action," he said.
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Oh ... I didnt know police station dont accept report against a police rclxub.gif
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As long as those police have no bodycams, it'd always be words against words.
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post Nov 16 2020, 03:27 PM

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Recently also got similar case... is it the same one?

Need to get this cam dy...

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5050618/+0
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post Nov 16 2020, 03:28 PM

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I think it is the polis who has to prove that indeed they were telling the truth by providing evidence that the the insurance agent was using the phone while driving.

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If they insist you are using phone while driving

Ask them to show you evidence or gambar. If they cannot, means they tok kok only

Can report them
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post Nov 16 2020, 03:32 PM

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always got bodoh liddat , when house kena rompak go police. bodoh
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post Nov 16 2020, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(SiewLee30 @ Nov 16 2020, 03:32 PM)
always got bodoh liddat , when house kena rompak go police. bodoh
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Bruh... those 2 things are not mutually exclusive.
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This case need to be blown wide open
My brother also was targeted for this kind of police scam. While driving van was stopped because the police said his collegue said he wasnt wearing seatbelt
Have to fight back and never agree to sign anything.
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QUOTE(ShadowR1 @ Nov 16 2020, 03:24 PM)
Oh ... I didnt know police station dont accept report against a police  rclxub.gif
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That's kinda scum
What if we see a police shooting around and kill people, kenot report huh? Now i know how corrupt our police are. Just like those lawless cities that police and gangmembers are just the same
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QUOTE(SiewLee30 @ Nov 16 2020, 03:32 PM)
always got bodoh liddat , when house kena rompak go police. bodoh
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Corrupt police is corrupt
Those kinds need to be blown and removed from the force. If police is above the law, then police rompak your home kenot repot la kan because its against a police
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post Nov 16 2020, 03:40 PM

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Court will decide if you are guilty or not

Police are just enforcer, without evidence you can fight
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post Nov 16 2020, 03:42 PM

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Actually all saman must go to court by default.
But polis can issue compoundable saman. Means you can choose to pay, then no need go court.

But if you choose not to sign, means you want to dispute. Means just go to court. Next time if polis throw paper into your car, then you just take his picture, smile and say see you in court. Then drive off.
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usually roadblock got spy one before the roadblock. i believe pulis this time.
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This is why the police force needs to be checked and balanced. They without prove can saman you, many times we have no proof to fight back and that's what the corrupted cops depend on - but this woman got prove to say she wasn't using phone.

Dei, for speeding ticket also need camera showing car number plate, time, and speed la... this one suka-suka saman with no proof, just say colleague saw, if proven not true say colleague mata cekai... like that win liao.
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if my dash cam pointing at pulis pulis feel offended pulak.

now mana can buy those 360 degree camera that can be fixed in the car
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confirm plain clothes police gonna pay a visit
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post Nov 16 2020, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(thelws @ Nov 16 2020, 03:42 PM)
Actually all saman must go to court by default.
But polis can issue compoundable saman. Means you can choose to pay, then no need go court.

But if you choose not to sign, means you want to dispute. Means just go to court. Next time if polis throw paper into your car, then you just take his picture, smile and say see you in court. Then drive off.
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Then why was it reported that a non-compoundable summon was issued ?
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post Nov 16 2020, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Nov 16 2020, 03:45 PM)
Then why was it reported that a non-compoundable summon was issued ?
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non compoundable saman means you can't choose to pay. your only option is to go to court.
so whether you sign or not means nothing. this is a one way saman.

just go to court.
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Aiya pulis saw her using the phone on the way to car after eating 1000000km from the roadblock

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post Nov 16 2020, 03:51 PM

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Lucky not in murica or else pew pew already.
Then ktards laugh.

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QUOTE(lopo90 @ Nov 16 2020, 03:28 PM)
If they insist you are using phone while driving

Ask them to show you evidence or gambar. If they cannot, means they tok kok only

Can report them
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Dont side with anyone, usually this kind of case many hidden setori.

If you feel police wrote a wrong summon to you, no need to fight with said police. You only will escalate the issue.

Just smile say thank you and fight in court. You have better chance if you caught him off guard.

If you mati mati fight on the spot, not only he still give u the summon, now he have time to kaw tim everyone to make sure his side of the setori is solid in court.
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How you prove the wimmin no tell lie?
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That why I always hoping gov spend some portable camera for every police that on duty. To protect police themself and citizen.


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QUOTE(SiewLee30 @ Nov 16 2020, 03:32 PM)
always got bodoh liddat , when house kena rompak go police. bodoh
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QUOTE(thelws @ Nov 16 2020, 03:47 PM)
non compoundable saman means you can't choose to pay. your only option is to go to court.
so whether you sign or not means nothing. this is a one way saman.

just go to court.
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Thank you for your explanation. Initially I was under the impression that the police indeed did have evidence on their hand, as such they chose to issue a non-compoundable summon instead. Since the insurance agent now has evidence from her phone log, I wonder what will the police bring to court ?

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It is better for traffic officer to wear body cam when carry out duty...
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QUOTE(Kris777 @ Nov 16 2020, 03:52 PM)
How you prove the wimmin no tell lie?
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Read the news article - she has proof from phone company records and also dashcam that points inside the car to prove she was not using the phone - police got what? I don't think police have telephoto lens camera to take photo of her.
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QUOTE(weissPC @ Nov 16 2020, 03:56 PM)
Read the news article - she has proof from phone company records and also dashcam that points inside the car to prove she was not using the phone - police got what? I don't think police have telephoto lens camera to take photo of her.
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The dashcam was only bought after this incident in case she kena again.
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There is one time while my head was resting on my hand while the elbow is on the window. Terus Kena stop( police block), and need to explain to the police the spy mistakenly thought I was on phone, and need to show my history call (no call) baru boleh lepas.



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QUOTE(yugimudo @ Nov 16 2020, 03:52 PM)
Dont side with anyone, usually this kind of case many hidden setori.

If you feel police wrote a wrong summon to you, no need to fight with said police. You only will escalate the issue.

Just smile say thank you and fight in court. You have better chance if you caught him off guard.

If you mati mati fight on the spot, not only he still give u the summon, now he have time to kaw tim everyone to make sure his side of the setori is solid in court.
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Are you sure about the bolded part ?
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Nov 16 2020, 03:54 PM)
Thank you for your explanation. Initially I was under the impression that the police indeed did have evidence on their hand, as such they chose to issue a non-compoundable summon instead. Since the insurance agent now has evidence from her phone log, I wonder what will the police bring to court ?
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Now, using phone while driving is no longer a compoundable offence, it's straight to court.

https://www.soyacincau.com/2020/08/10/pdrm-...dphone-driving/
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QUOTE(Clement1001 @ Nov 16 2020, 03:58 PM)
There is one time while my head was resting on my hand while the elbow is on the window. Terus Kena stop( police block), and need to explain to the police the spy mistakenly thought I was on phone, and need to show my history call (no call)  baru boleh lepas.
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WHOA ! Mistaken identity lah ni.
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QUOTE(weissPC @ Nov 16 2020, 03:56 PM)
Read the news article - she has proof from phone company records and also dashcam that points inside the car to prove she was not using the phone - police got what? I don't think police have telephoto lens camera to take photo of her.
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Isnt it easier to just share the video and then everything can be settle.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Nov 16 2020, 03:54 PM)
Thank you for your explanation. Initially I was under the impression that the police indeed did have evidence on their hand, as such they chose to issue a non-compoundable summon instead. Since the insurance agent now has evidence from her phone log, I wonder what will the police bring to court ?
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Nothing usually. The polis might not even go to court, and you win by default. Which happens more often than you think.

However, the polis has the last laugh. He just spend 5 mins issue saman. You spend lawyer fees and time off to go to court. Worse if the case drags on a few hearings. You end up paying 5k instead of rm300.

But if you want to make a statement, go ahead. The polis who issue you saman won't feel a thing.

Unless of course like this lady, she go make noise until reach newspaper, maybe the polis will gabrah a bit. But you need to have a passion to piss the polis off. Otherwise, next time just pay the rm300. Consider it your unlucky day.
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QUOTE(thelws @ Nov 16 2020, 03:42 PM)
Actually all saman must go to court by default.
But polis can issue compoundable saman. Means you can choose to pay, then no need go court.

But if you choose not to sign, means you want to dispute. Means just go to court. Next time if polis throw paper into your car, then you just take his picture, smile and say see you in court. Then drive off.
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Have you done the bold part before?
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QUOTE(St0rmFury @ Nov 16 2020, 03:58 PM)
The dashcam was only bought after this incident in case she kena again.
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I stand corrected, but still have the phone records - anyway dunno if like this then her case not so strong d, because the call records won't show she wasn't touching the phone or using it for other purposes.

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QUOTE(weissPC @ Nov 16 2020, 03:59 PM)
Now, using phone while driving is no longer a compoundable offence, it's straight to court.

https://www.soyacincau.com/2020/08/10/pdrm-...dphone-driving/
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QUOTE(Kris777 @ Nov 16 2020, 03:52 PM)
How you prove the wimmin no tell lie?
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That's the point, numskull, where's the proof the police have that the woman has committed a crime?

This case highlights the fact that the police are issuing summons based on literally zero evidence, a direct contradiction of one of the most fundamental concepts of law: the burden of proof is on the accuser, aka presumption of innocence
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Nov 16 2020, 03:58 PM)
Are you sure about the bolded part ?
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That is logic lar in every job facing customer type. You are more prepared to face a rough encounter than a silent problem.

If you fight the polis, the polis will try to cover his ass in case it become big issue.

If you senyap senyap gather evidence to fight in court, he also cant do much cause less time to prepare and mostly forgot ur face.
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QUOTE(thelws @ Nov 16 2020, 04:00 PM)
Nothing usually. The polis might not even go to court, and you win by default. Which happens more often than you think.

However, the polis has the last laugh. He just spend 5 mins issue saman. You spend lawyer fees and time off to go to court. Worse if the case drags on a few hearings. You end up paying 5k instead of rm300.

But if you want to make a statement, go ahead. The polis who issue you saman won't feel a thing.

Unless of course like this lady, she go make noise until reach newspaper, maybe the polis will gabrah a bit. But you need to have a passion to piss the polis off. Otherwise, next time just pay the rm300. Consider it your unlucky day.
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Thank you so much for your reply and from the looks of things I must say that the insurance agent is a very passionate person indeed. 😊
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my sister also kena but she fight back. the police was abit shock and let her go lol
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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Nov 16 2020, 04:01 PM)
Have you done the bold part before?
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i havne't kena saman before. cukur
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Why so kepoh. If got evidence dashcam then fight in the court. If he not guilty them saman back police for 1 mil later .


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QUOTE(thelws @ Nov 16 2020, 04:11 PM)
i havne't kena saman before. cukur
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I was wondering about your reply on taking the officer's picture, is that the reason to identify it is the correct officer in court ?

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QUOTE(tkwmm @ Nov 16 2020, 03:52 PM)
That why I always hoping gov spend some portable camera for every police that on duty. To protect police themself and citizen.
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QUOTE(weissPC @ Nov 16 2020, 03:56 PM)
Read the news article - she has proof from phone company records and also dashcam that points inside the car to prove she was not using the phone - police got what? I don't think police have telephoto lens camera to take photo of her.
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Phone calls not necessarily need to be through sim cards nowadays and using phone doesn't necessarily means making phone calls.

The dash cam was bought after the incident.

QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Nov 16 2020, 04:03 PM)
That's the point, numskull, where's the proof the police have that the woman has committed a crime?

This case highlights the fact that the police are issuing summons based on literally zero evidence, a direct contradiction of one of the most fundamental concepts of law: the burden of proof is on the accuser, aka presumption of innocence
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Yeah I was pointing at that too. Both side don't have direct evidence. But if during the trial, the police and his colleague testifies for the case, she will have any witnesses. Added on top, if they check her smartphone, they could easily find evidence pointing to that period where she sends messages on WhatsApp/Instagram/Facebook. If she did check it within 30 minutes to 1 hour time frame prior to she was stopped, does it count?

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QUOTE(SiewLee30 @ Nov 16 2020, 03:32 PM)
always got bodoh liddat , when house kena rompak go police. bodoh
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you have half inchi pisang and no balls. to prove otherwise, please show your pisang in /k
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QUOTE(thelws @ Nov 16 2020, 03:42 PM)
Actually all saman must go to court by default.
But polis can issue compoundable saman. Means you can choose to pay, then no need go court.

But if you choose not to sign, means you want to dispute. Means just go to court. Next time if polis throw paper into your car, then you just take his picture, smile and say see you in court. Then drive off.
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This, and the Police did the exact thing as well by asking her to fight in court, right? hmm.gif
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But if during the trial, the police and his colleague testifies for the case,

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ideally the courts should not accept this

this being Malaysia... fuck knows rolleyes.gif
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we need another dashcam for this kind of things for dispute reasons, aim at roadblocks so can use as evidence
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This is my new SOP from now onwards. Before I drive, the phone will be going to the back seat to avoid any chances of mistaken identity. 😂😂😂
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QUOTE(stealthrider @ Nov 16 2020, 04:19 PM)
This, and the Police did the exact thing as well by asking her to fight in court, right? hmm.gif
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No liao, main phone while drive = non-compoundable, so die or not also need fight in court.

QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Nov 16 2020, 04:20 PM)
ideally the courts should not accept this

this being Malaysia... fuck knows rolleyes.gif
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Exactly. Banyak lubang can poke...so this kind of stuff, either you settle upfront or you don't.
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is this their latest KPI to maximize saman on certain group of ppl?
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Nov 16 2020, 04:22 PM)
This is my new SOP from now onwards. Before I drive, the phone will be going to the back seat to avoid any chances of mistaken identity. 😂😂😂
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But if polis insist they saw you using phone while driving, how are you going to prove otherwise?

If you ask them to prove, they just taichi to court and now you have to take time off work & maybe spend money to hire a lawyer to prove your innocence (when it should be the other way round).
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i also got kena before but i memang holding my phone. the police summore take his hp out and show me the poster that say kena 1k if hold phone and this summon straight go court punya. then explain to me when im driving not in any time i should touch my phone at all. if need to answer or reply message need to stop by the roadside. but the police was very polite and tell me as budi bicara he let me go this time and don't ever do this again.

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QUOTE(St0rmFury @ Nov 16 2020, 04:26 PM)
But if polis insist they saw you using phone while driving, how are you going to prove otherwise?

If you ask them to prove, they just taichi to court and now you have to take time off work & maybe spend money to hire a lawyer to prove your innocence (when it should be the other way round).
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Ya la you are right. KNN now have to waste money to buy the webcamera just to prove my innocence. Also its going to waste my car battery only.
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QUOTE(St0rmFury @ Nov 16 2020, 04:26 PM)
But if polis insist they saw you using phone while driving, how are you going to prove otherwise?

If you ask them to prove, they just taichi to court and now you have to take time off work & maybe spend money to hire a lawyer to prove your innocence (when it should be the other way round).
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That's why just have kawan polis.

If people issue saman, fast fast go settle the compound. Some polis station abang will tell you if you let me settle for you, I can give you cheaper price. Then they sendiri take a bit of pocket money.

Sometimes RM300 compound they can reduce until RM70 or 80. I've even heard before reduce until RM50. The polis can reduce the compound until rm30. Then he himself take rm20. So end up you only fork out rm50.




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QUOTE(subdroid @ Nov 16 2020, 04:21 PM)
we need another dashcam for this kind of things for dispute reasons, aim at roadblocks so can use as evidence
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If can live dashcam uploaded to a cloud storage somewhere.

Scare later suddenly dashcam memory card goes "missing".
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That's the issue when rakyat is guilty before proven innocent. Meanwhile Najib...
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biasa lar,.. become polis state since mamaktir era,.. Najib era lagi worst,... suka suka buli rakyat,...we never had any check and balance on polis conduct,..
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QUOTE(thelws @ Nov 15 2020, 08:30 PM)
That's why just have kawan polis.

If people issue saman, fast fast go settle the compound. Some polis station abang will tell you if you let me settle for you, I can give you cheaper price. Then they sendiri take a bit of pocket money.

Sometimes RM300 compound they can reduce until RM70 or 80. I've even heard before reduce until RM50. The polis can reduce the compound until rm30. Then he himself take rm20. So end up you only fork out rm50.
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betul kah macam bagus saja, then i collect saman pass police 300 reduce to 100, i charge 200, so police rm50 i rm50, everyone win win and go home safely happily
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Can she prove what she said? Or just made malicious statement

“He then threw the summons through the window and told me to go to court to fight the case," she said.


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notice any diff behaviour during PH and now PN/BN rule brows.gif
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i'm wonder is there any phone software/apps that can record every single swipe/tap/user key-in whatever for audit trail purpose. so we can use this to prove innocence.

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many years ago, i shared a story about a fren getting buta2 fitnah by some thugs in PRDM, but many pipu tak percaya. i also lazy to story again.

anyway that fren now sudah potong ic, whole family now living peacefully in Melbourne. another brain drain.
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QUOTE(darosha @ Nov 16 2020, 03:34 PM)
This case need to be blown wide open
My brother also was targeted for this kind of police scam. While driving van was stopped because the police said his collegue said he wasnt wearing seatbelt
Have to fight back and never agree to sign anything.
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my last job got them come and kacau my workers.
2 foreigner, 1 from sarawak.
when they tak puas hati all permit are sah, they say the sawarak kid looks like hisap dadah.
so they put him in polis car, bawak jalan2, not arrested.
have to call boss come down and nego with them. after pay, suddenly all ok, job continue.
hampeh...

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QUOTE(ironite @ Nov 16 2020, 04:43 PM)
my last job got them come and kacau my workers.
2 foreigner, 1 from sarawak.
when they tak puas hati all permit are sah, they say the sawarak kid looks like hisap dadah.
so they put him in polis car, bawak jalan2, not arrested.
have to call boss come down and nego with them. after pay, suddenly all ok, job continue.
hampeh...
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false imprisonment?
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QUOTE(lam86 @ Nov 16 2020, 04:47 PM)
false imprisonment?
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Abuse of power and blackmailing
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QUOTE(botlife @ Nov 16 2020, 04:35 PM)
betul kah macam bagus saja, then i collect saman pass police 300 reduce to 100, i charge 200, so police rm50 i rm50, everyone win win and go home safely happily
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Abeden. Why do you think polis like to kasi saman?

Anyway, what level of reduction you get depends on the abang polis punya mood. If you get 300 compound, expect to pay about 100-150 la.
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That's why need to push for enforcement officer mandatory to wear body cam.


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QUOTE(darosha @ Nov 16 2020, 05:05 PM)
Abuse of power and blackmailing
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tort easier. criminal they can put under NFA.

if the woman can prove no reasonable ground to throw her the writ, then malicious prosecution?

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I also kena once long time ago. I was using my phone while driving and the road was curving somemore. A traffic police ride next to me, knock on my window, and make the hp sign (asking me to put it away) and he rode off. Deep inside, I hope I have a chance to thank the policeman for giving me a chance. Terima kasih, Abang Polis.

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Told u guys. Memang alot of police make mistakes. Still dont want to admit.
At the end of the day, rakyat is the one that suffer from all these mistakes.

And still got bodo here plotek police. Dumbfarks
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I got case like this last time. I dispute but the officer threaten to saman me for cermin gelap if I dispute.
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Everyone has either had a bad experience with the police or knows someone that had a bad experience with the police. That's why we need IPCMC.
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QUOTE(WaterBuffalo @ Nov 16 2020, 06:28 PM)
I got case like this last time. I dispute but the officer threaten to saman me for cermin gelap if I dispute.
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So what happened? Was your windows dark or not?
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QUOTE(SiewLee30 @ Nov 16 2020, 03:32 PM)
always got bodoh liddat , when house kena rompak go police. bodoh
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If police put drugs in your car, u just admit its yours ?
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QUOTE(ahter @ Nov 16 2020, 06:53 PM)
If police put drugs in your car, u just admit its yours ?
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Hahahaha ... happen b4 la.
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I was once issued a saman when the police supposedly caught me running a red light. They even had pictures of me doing so. The police car was behind me. So i went to the balai to see the Sargent. They showed me the pictures. The pictures showed my car moving (I was turning to the left junction) and the police car going straight a - the traffic light turns green in unison. So I told him, if it was a red how come the police car was moving forward as well (can see from the different camera angles). He dismissed it at first. Then I went back to the balai a few more times. And eventually they strike off the saman. If you are right just fight it.
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Thanks to PN, now hard to trust enforcement personnel
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they want pow money from people... old trick

 

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