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 CGPA - how to calculate, and why u should dare to fail!

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post Nov 28 2012, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(Asyaamil @ Nov 28 2012, 08:48 AM)
I need help!Im currently studying at Inti college subang, taking ADP. My problem is...my coursework for Principles of Microeconomics is only 17.9% out of 60% and so I need to know how much should I score to pass the subject for the finals which weightage 40% . I don't really understand how to calculate it.  Does all the private college have the same point value?I mean grades and their points?Anyone know's inti point value?
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isnt that just basic percentage calculation?

what is your minimum passing mark there? 50%?

since you only have two things to be assessed, it should be fairly straightforward:

i. Coursework - 17.9% out 60%
ii. Exam - x out of 40%

assuming pass is 50%, for the finals you need to score (50-17.9 = 32.1out of 40)

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post Dec 14 2012, 09:15 PM

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I want to ask. If I got D+ . And I want to repair that subject grade. And I got B. How does it count ?

Is the pointer of D+ being replace by B ?
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post Dec 15 2012, 01:18 AM

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QUOTE(Demonic Wrath @ Jun 24 2008, 06:57 PM)
I think he explained until quite simple already.
In this case
Let's say a student get grade B for subject M, grade A for subject N and grade C for subject O.

According to the pointer set by the examination,
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Grade A worth 4.00
Grade B worth 3.00
Grade C worth 2.00


So,
Since subject M is worth 6 credits, it'd be 6 credits x 3.00 = 18 grade point
Since subject N is worth 2 credits, it'd be 2 credits x 4.00 = 8 grade point
Since subject O is worth 3 credits, it'd be 3 credits x 2.00 = 6 grade point

So the total is 18 + 8 + 6 = 32 points and to get the GPA you'll need to divide it by 11 credits (6 credits for subject M + 2 credits for subject N + 3 credits for subject O) so in the end you'll get 2.91 GPA for Semester 1.

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32/11 = 2.91 GPA

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Sorry , i couldn't understand why subject M,N,O is worth 6,2,3 credits respectively ? Can further explain for me ? Thanks a lot !
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QUOTE(demolationz @ Dec 14 2012, 09:15 PM)
I want to ask. If I got D+ . And I want to repair that subject grade. And I got B. How does it count ?

Is the pointer of D+ being replace by B ?
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Assuming that that the institution that you're enrolled in allows you to do so, the latest grade would directly replace your previous grade in your CGPA calculations.


QUOTE(TKWesley @ Dec 15 2012, 01:18 AM)
Sorry , i couldn't understand why subject M,N,O is worth 6,2,3 credits respectively ? Can further explain for me ? Thanks a lot !
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The number of credits is basically the weightage assigned to that specific course. Some universities assign the course credits (in particular American institutions) based upon the number of hours spent in class per week, but that's not always the case. It can also be based upon the relative course work.

TL;DR: It's a number that has been decided by the institution for usage in the calculation of CGPA.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 16 2007, 11:36 PM)
what is this guide about?

this guide is written to assist university or college students to understand more about the grading system at tertiery education level. students are often trapped under the pretense that once they've failed, their grades can never go up again. this is fairly untrue in most of the cases. however it is important to note that not all tertiery education system follows the same CGPA system. what i've tabled out below are applicable to local IPTAs, several IPTSs and most UK based universities.

what is CGPA?

ultimately, CGPA is where everything boils down to in ur studies. it stands for Cummulative Grade Point Average, hence CGPA, which is an accumulation of all ur grade points divided to every single credit u take. CGPA is also the determining factor of whether u get to graduate with 1st class, 2nd class upper, 2nd class lower or 3rd class. however, the minimum point for each class differs from university to university. UTM for example classifies 1st class as 3.70 and above and 2nd class upper from 3.00 to 3.69. MMU on the other hand classifies 2nd class upper from 3.30 to 3.69.

what is calculated?

CGPA is calculated based on all subjects that u take. each subjects usually comes with a credit value. some less important subjects carry between 1 to 2 credits, more important ones carry 3 to 4, and the core subjects can carry between 5 to 8 credits each. also, there are subjects categorized as "compulsory attendance only" (hadir wajib sahaja) which usually carry 0 credits. these subjects hold no value, but failing it (due to poor attendance or whatever) will still hold u down from graduating successfully.

how is it calculated?

for each subject that u've successfully taken, a grade will be issued after the final exam. these grades each carry a specific point value. typically, A carries 4.00, B carries 3.00 and C carries 2.00. each of these points will be calculated based on the credit rating of each subject, and later summed up to give u ur GPA for that particular semester. for example:

semester 1

subject M (6 credits): B = 3.00
subject N (2 credits): A = 4.00
subject O (3 credits): C = 2.00

(6 x 3.00) + (2 x 4.00) + (3 x 2.00) = 32 total grade point for 11 credits. hence, your GPA for semester 1 is:

32 / 11 = 2.91 GPA for sem 1. since this is ur first semester, ur GPA is also ur CGPA.

semester 2

subject P (6 credits): A = 4.00
subject Q (3 credits): B = 3.00
subject R (3 credits): E = 0.00 (FAIL)
subject S (2 credits): B = 3.00

(6 x 4.00) + (3 x 3.00) + (3 x 0.00) + (2 x 3.00) = 39 total grade point for 14 credits. hence your GPA for semester 2 is:

39 / 14 = 2.79 GPA for sem 2

now that this is ur second semester, ur CGPA will be calculated by combining the two. however, a direct average is wrong.  CGPA is calculated NOT based on the average of GPAs per semester, but based on grade points per credit that u take. to calculate ur CGPA based on the two semesters above:

[(total grade point for sem 1) + (total grade point for sem 2)] / total credit taken in all semesters

[(32) + (39)] / (11 + 14) = 2.84 CGPA

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now, let's try the next semester where u retake the failed subject:

semester 3

subject R (3 credits): A = 4.00 (REPEATED SUBJECT)
subject T (3 credits): B = 3.00
subject U (3 credits): B = 3.00
subject V (3 credits): B = 3.00

(3 x 4.00) + (3 x 3.00) + (3 x 3.00) + (3 x 3.00) = 39 total grade point for 12 credits. hence your GPA for semester 3 is:

39 / 12 = 3.25 GPA.

now, how do u calculate ur CGPA when u have a repeated subject? here's the main rule: u recalculate the repeated subject by replacing the old grade with the new one. it means, in ur CGPA calculation, u never failed ur subject R, u actually scored A! lets see what it looks like:

[(grade points for sem 1) + (grade points for sem 2 excluding the failed subject) + (grade points for sem 3)] / [(credit for sem 1) + (credit for sem 2 excluding the failed subject) + (credit for sem 3)]

[(32) + (39 - 0) + (39)] / [(11) + (14 - 3) + (12)] =  110 / 34 = 3.24 CGPA!

a lot of students made the mistake of including the failed subject into the calculation despite having repeated it. here's what the wrong calculation usually looks like:

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implications

wrong calculations would lead to students being afraid to fail, simply bcoz the impression that failed subjects would drag the CGPA even further down. this is wrong. repeating the failed subject replaces the old grades. in ur CGPA, it is as if u've never failed before. most students would simply accept a C- or D+, which is usually the minimum passing rate, in hope that they dont have to ever repeat the subject, and hopefully score more subjects in time.

thing is, once u've got a D+/C-, it's very hard to catch up and drag ur pointers up. i strongly advise students whom ultimately concerned for their grades to DARE to fail and repeat it again. ofcourse, certain subjects are big enough that repeating means u have to extend another semester. well, if it means graduating between a 2nd class lower and a 2nd class upper, why not? 

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Hi, this is not completely related with the topic you posted but you seems to know well about this. So I would like to ask if can you explain me about the credits in O-Level which require to do foundation & diploma courses in most of the universities ? and do they only check how many credits I have in O-levels or they check GPA in my O-levels ? Thank you so much
Suppose if I have 1A,3D,2C. How many credits do I have then ?
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How do i calculate if the grades were to have + and -
Like A+, A-, B+, B-
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QUOTE(beblink @ Dec 15 2012, 01:10 PM)
How do i calculate if the grades were to have + and -
Like A+, A-, B+, B-
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each grade is assigned a point.

ex. A = 4.0, A- = 3.7, B+ = 3.3, B = 3.0....etc.
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QUOTE(Stamp @ Dec 15 2012, 01:32 PM)
each grade is assigned a point.

ex. A = 4.0, A- = 3.7, B+ = 3.3, B = 3.0....etc.
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Ahhh i see...thanks! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(beblink @ Dec 15 2012, 01:10 PM)
How do i calculate if the grades were to have + and -
Like A+, A-, B+, B-
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A+ is still considered as 4.0, the only thing that sets it apart from A is the marks it represents and it is typically awarded to students who achieve 90 or above...
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QUOTE(CleverDick @ Dec 15 2012, 01:46 PM)
A+ is still considered as 4.0, the only thing that sets it apart from A is the marks it represents and it is typically awarded to students who achieve 90 or above...
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So if get A also, it is not possible to get a 4.0 right since Stamp says the cgpa differs just because of the + and -?
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QUOTE(beblink @ Dec 15 2012, 01:49 PM)
So if get A also, it is not possible to get a 4.0 right since Stamp says the cgpa differs just because of the + and -?
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No, getting an A+ or A won't affect your cgpa since gradepoints-wise they are the same (4.0), they differ only by the marks they represent, but getting an A- will definitely affect your cgpa since it carries a grade point of 3.67 or 3.7...

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QUOTE(CleverDick @ Dec 15 2012, 04:09 PM)
No, getting an A+ or A won't affect your cgpa since gradepoints-wise they are the same (4.0), they differ only by the marks they represent, but getting an A- will definitely affect your cgpa since it carries a grade point of 3.67 or 3.7...
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Ahhh i get it now smile.gif
does B+ and B are the same too?
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QUOTE(beblink @ Dec 15 2012, 04:49 PM)
Ahhh i get it now smile.gif
does B+ and B are the same too?
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Nope, the said rule only applies only to A+ and A, all other grades after that have their own pointers, with B+ = 3.33, B = 3.00, B- = 2.67, C+ = 2.33, C = 2.00, the rest is a bit of gray area because while some universities assign pointers to grades below C, some consider them as fail and assign a pointer of zero...

This post has been edited by CleverDick: Dec 15 2012, 05:46 PM
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QUOTE(CleverDick @ Dec 15 2012, 05:34 PM)
Nope, the said rule only applies only to A+ and A, all other grades after that have their own pointers, with B+ = 3.33, B = 3.00, B- = 2.67, C+ = 2.33, C = 2.00, the rest is a bit of gray area because while some universities assign pointers to grades below C, some consider them as fail and assign a pointer of zero...
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ohhhh so means like A+ is representing you get like maybe 95 and A probably like 89 right?
Thanks heheh
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QUOTE(CleverDick @ Dec 15 2012, 05:34 PM)
Nope, the said rule only applies only to A+ and A, all other grades after that have their own pointers, with B+ = 3.33, B = 3.00, B- = 2.67, C+ = 2.33, C = 2.00, the rest is a bit of gray area because while some universities assign pointers to grades below C, some consider them as fail and assign a pointer of zero...
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My US university assigned C- = 1.7, D+ = 1.3, D = 1.0 and F = 0. But then this was a couple of decades ago! smile.gif

This post has been edited by Stamp: Dec 17 2012, 09:27 AM
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nice guide
but I failed a lot subject and thought the failed subject is still calculated LOL

example
sem 1 failed 1 subject
sem 2 resit it and pass

so that subject calculate 2 times for GPA LOL
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Quick question: Can a person get 4.0 CGPA without maintaining 4.0 GPA every semester?
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QUOTE(CloudTen @ May 3 2013, 02:51 PM)
Quick question: Can a person get 4.0 CGPA without maintaining 4.0 GPA every semester?
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if the school practices a grade reset at any of the semester, yes.

an example of a grade reset is university of sheffield's school of architecture. the grade weightage for CGPA calculation is divided between the 3 years as 0:30:70. meaning, anything u achieved during 1st year virtually does not count. then the 2nd year grades make 30%, while 3rd year make 70%.

so technically, if u screwed up ur 1st year, u're still safe as long as u score 4.00 throughout 2nd and 3rd year.
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Can you guys help me to check whether the calculation of GPA and CGPA are correct or not. As it is bit complicated for me transition from CGPA to GPA

Help University 2009 - 2010
- CGPA: 2.38 out of 4.00

Help University, 2011 – 2012
- CGPA: 3.58 out of 4.00

University of Queensland, 2013
- GPA: 4.75 out of 7

Total GPA: 5.01 out of 7.00
Total CGPA: 2.86 out of 4.00

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malaysian uni .. 4 .. 3.75 .. 3.5 .. 3.25 .. 3.. blabla
australian 4 3 2 1 0.7.


Malaysian uni gets better CGPA reading? true?

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