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post Jan 4 2024, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(Jingle91 @ Jan 4 2024, 10:51 AM)
Your solar is under which NEM? If NEM 3.0 then definitely your understanding is totally wrong, the extra 200-300kwh is accumulated in your NEM BAKI ACCOUNT balance until 31 Dec of the year, if you don't consume it within the period, TNB will write off the extra balance in next year January bill.

Mine is TNB 3.0 like the other guy explained to you
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No lah. No nem Baki.
Nem Baki is when ur export more than import.


It under nem 3.0.
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post Jan 4 2024, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(Jingle91 @ Jan 4 2024, 10:51 AM)
Your solar is under which NEM? If NEM 3.0 then definitely your understanding is totally wrong, the extra 200-300kwh is accumulated in your NEM BAKI ACCOUNT balance until 31 Dec of the year, if you don't consume it within the period, TNB will write off the extra balance in next year January bill.

Mine is TNB 3.0 like the other guy explained to you

Checked your TNB bill, think your December 2023 Bill now appear with "NIL" amount of NEM BAKI, maybe you check your November 2023 TNB bill then you will understand
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Yes. Check dy.

My calculation is correct. The 200-300 of missing export isn’t going to nem Baki. The one went to nem Baki is when my export more than import like a few kWh

If you check out nem program , it is defined as below

Under this programme, any excess energy generated will be exported to the utility grid and will be credited based on the Average SMP. The priority is for self-consumption, however some premise which are not operating during the weekends or public holiday may have excess energy exported to the grid.

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post Jan 4 2024, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(Jingle91 @ Jan 4 2024, 10:51 AM)
Your solar is under which NEM? If NEM 3.0 then definitely your understanding is totally wrong, the extra 200-300kwh is accumulated in your NEM BAKI ACCOUNT balance until 31 Dec of the year, if you don't consume it within the period, TNB will write off the extra balance in next year January bill.

Mine is TNB 3.0 like the other guy explained to you

Checked your TNB bill, think your December 2023 Bill now appear with "NIL" amount of NEM BAKI, maybe you check your November 2023 TNB bill then you will understand
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You try this

December production from inverter app: ________
December export figure from Tnb bill : __________

Surely the difference will not be the same as ur nem Baki.
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post Jan 4 2024, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(etan26 @ Jan 4 2024, 10:58 AM)
Yes we do used the generated kwh during day time but it's to offset TNB import in figures.

I am sure we can't used it directly because the TNB meter not that smart to balance the usage between import and export energy used by our home appliances fluctuation. . It can offset the number je.....
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Actually, our db get supply from both ac supplies. Tnb direct and solar db.

So once Both ac meets in the home db, it will be used together. But because solar db is one way. And Tnb is two way. So solar db electricity that lebih will flow out through Tnb meter and get recorded. And ur system won’t draw specifically from Tnb. It will just use whatever energy supply from the solar db and the Tnb. So when ur solar db electricity flood the system, the Tnb meter won’t send in anymore. Coz got extra flow out.
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post Jan 4 2024, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(yushin @ Jan 4 2024, 11:10 AM)
Power coming out from solar panels are DC.
Your EV charger is drawing power from AC.

1) you need something to convert DC to AC.
2) you also need extra energy source to stabilize the AC output in case the solar panel was block by cloud for a short time.

If you dont plan to use TNB's plan, a hybrid inverter with 48v 50ah lithium battery should be enough if you only do charging at morning.
btw, how big is your EV charger?
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Correct. Need a constant supply. So battery is another alternative. But since got nem, just use nem first. Battery can come later stage.
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post Jan 4 2024, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(etan26 @ Jan 4 2024, 10:43 AM)
If our inverted can do it, why can't during blackout period? Simply because our inverter cannot cater for direct usage.

Show me where its said this "Yes, u need to have Tnb supply to start generation. But that only to start. Once ur system produce enough, u don’t draw from Tnb anymore. "

I connect them to my 2nd floor DB ... So my ground floor not using solar energy? They do travel backward to the meter?
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U see. You connect to 2 floor db. So the energy source come from 2nd floor. It’s not even direct to Tnb.

So ur 2nd floor will use the energy first. Then extra go back to main db. And then get istributed to the appliance. Then extra flow back to Tnb.

But doesn’t mean ur ground floor will use Tnb energy first. You still use solar for self consumption first before any extra is send out.

When cloudy day, not enough producing , that’s when Tnb kicks in. That’s the way how on grid inverter works.
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post Jan 4 2024, 11:26 AM

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One more test you can try do.

7am import figure : ______
7am export figure:_______

7pm import figure : _______
7pm export figure::_______

Total of the production of the day :________

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post Jan 4 2024, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 4 2024, 11:20 AM)
I don't have an ev yet but the only factor in me getting it is to charge it solely on solar. It defeats the purpose of having a clean car if I'm using it via the grid so I want to get th facts right with solar panels
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Then you get solar first. Then ev. Not ev then solar.


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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 4 2024, 11:23 AM)
So to really ensure my ev is powered by solar and off grid my set up is this?

Solar panels (DC) > battery > wall mounted charger (ac) > ev?

If I don't wanna spend on a battery

Solar panels (DC) > converter > wall mounted charger (ac) > ev?

Second set up only allows me to charge during day time only right?
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No. The voltage is volatile. U will depend too much on the weather.
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post Jan 4 2024, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(yushin @ Jan 4 2024, 11:28 AM)
I don't have EV charger myself  but I believes those wall box EV charger draw power from TNB (230v) then convert to DC (800v) to charge the car.
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If not mistaken, wall box is also ac.

It’s either 7kwp(single phase)
11kw or 22kwp (3 phase)

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QUOTE(bee88 @ Jan 4 2024, 11:29 AM)
If not mistaken, wall box is also ac.

It’s either 7kwp(single phase)
11kw or 22kwp (3 phase)
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Some ev car can only take 7kwh ac.

And dc charger at home I heard very very expensive.
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post Jan 4 2024, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 4 2024, 11:32 AM)
Agree. Solar first but the cost of set up for 10 panels around 15k

But since I have a battery in the system. I can reduce the panels.... Right?
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U must see how many kwp your system. But don’t go for battery lah. Go for nem.
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post Jan 4 2024, 07:15 PM

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QUOTE(Jingle91 @ Jan 4 2024, 02:24 PM)
Sorry, I misunderstood your earlier post, thought you meant the difference of units went missing.

Yes my generated units in solar app has been higher than the  export unit recorded on the bill.
My apology for didn't read the post properly.
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No worries. I know those explanation by solar provider mostly cannot pakai one. Those selling the products don’t really know except telling u how much u save. Technical staff u need to ask those wireman that come to install.

I also got lots of misinformation from solar provider when I scouted for my system.
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post Jan 7 2024, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(Bigboyz @ Jan 6 2024, 08:29 PM)
Hi sifus. I was proposed bifacial solar panel for a tiled rooftop installation. However, based on my understanding, to maximize bifacial gains, you would need to install the panels on an elevated racking system to allow the back panels to capture light. Would I be better off installing non bifacial panels?
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If not mistaken, this is the current panels that they are trying to push. What is more important is your setup and the kwp.
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post Jan 7 2024, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(Drian @ Jan 7 2024, 01:43 PM)
No , you have to consider whether your inverter is a 3 phase inverter or a single phase inverter.

Most installer want to sell cheap , and consumers do not know , so they only use single phase inverter. If it is single phase inverter, the inverter will only offset one of the phases. It does not offset all phases.
The other 2 phases will not be offset during the day time and continue to consume from the grid.

That's why when the1500kwhr ruling came out , some of the solar owners were charged because they were still using 1500kwhr from the grid.
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Actuallu it’s possible to offset all 3 phase with single phase inverter.

Not sure if this is possible with string inverter. Micro is possible.
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post Jan 7 2024, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(Drian @ Jan 7 2024, 01:52 PM)
a micro inverter does not offset all 3 phases at the same time.

but you can assign different microinverter to different phases , but a single microinverter DO NOT offset all 3 phases a the same time.
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Yes. Correct. But usually nobody use one micro inverter only. One micro inverter max only 2kw. Usually smallest setup need two microinverter.


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post Jan 7 2024, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(etan26 @ Jan 7 2024, 01:56 PM)
Then you go and whack your solar vendor/installer, they are the expert and not advising you properly.
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Usually they will use the correct inverter according to the phases. Later no saving kena diao from customer ler.
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post Jan 7 2024, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(Drian @ Jan 7 2024, 02:12 PM)
Nope.  Most inverter sold now is single phase inverter connected to only a single phase in a 3 phase system.
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Like that one ar? Then more reason to go micro inverter then. String inverter if get single phase but house 3 phase mmg jialat
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post Jan 8 2024, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(Drian @ Jan 8 2024, 10:42 AM)
No because it is all clearly stated in the quotation and there is no safety issue violated.
They can argue that they are meeting your budget and the model and brand name is all black and white in the quotation.
If the quotation looks like this:-

3. Solar PV Module
+ Trinasolar TSM-DE17M(II)-455W / Canadian Solar CS3W-455MS    X14 units

4. Solar PV Inverter
+ Solis Inverter 1P6K-4G        x1unit

How many people here will notice this? How many people are technical enough to realise based on above that this is a single phase inverter?
How many people do you think even have the knowledge to know even what an inverter is?

The same also for solar panels . How many people will realise if the solar panels given is tier 1 or tier 2 panels.
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Yes. Many people just buy without looking at what they actually getting. Coz the agent usually just highlight the savings and savings.

From this quotation, i think this is usually for single phase. 6kwp system usually for single phase max.

Of course there is a possibility that a 3 phase house is installing 6kwp system as well lah.

But yea. Look at the inverter model. 1p means 1 phase. 3p means 3 phase.

But I will still avoid string if possible due to high dc and arc fault which can cause fire.

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post Jan 10 2024, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(killeralta @ Jan 9 2024, 02:59 PM)
I recently finished my solar installation using hoymiles micro-inverter.

But installer does not want to provide me with the end user username and password for hoymiles s-Miles monitoring app system saying its only for there own usage. Instead have to rely on there own app for monitoring with minimum info.

You think i can go to consumer tribunal to force them to give me the access to hoymiles s-Miles monitoring app?
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What do you mean their own app? Surely can use hoymiles own app to monitor. U can see the panels, performance , and energy generation.

Smiles end user app.



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