I wish I can read this post earlier. I got my 2 years old car (Proton Saga BLM). I went to service at Klang area, ask them adjust my alignment. I found that when I drive my car on the straight road, I leave my steering, my car will go to left side.

When I go to the shop, the tireman, show me the computer screen, say I am rude driver. (I don't think, I just drive my car to office in working day, 10km return only -20minutes drive each way). The screen show that one front tire alignment is gone (which show in red color)

He asked me to change the camber. Said Proton Saga is normal to get into this situation. He asked me to change for adjustable camber which is cost RM48 per one. As the image below


If not they are not able to do the alignment. Well this is my first time do my car alignment, after I read this post I believe I get con...

Is it a must to change a camber? or next time I just tell them just adjust the toe in-out is enough, please advice.

Thanks!

This post has been edited by shiroamada: Feb 13 2012, 10:59 AM

Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experience

I think I have been a victim of such conmen.

Pls do not patronise this tyre shop in seapark. I felt something suspicious when they had showed me my alignment was out by 3 degrees and said it would affect my tires due to uneven wear. Sounded dubious. They charged me RM 75 each bolt and nut?!!!

Plus RM 25 for labour. It will be my last time there for sure. I gave them a chance for a first time business and they lost me at hello.


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I was skeptical as well when my tireman ask me to add chamber nut on my 2 years old persona

then he jack up the car and he ask to to look.

when i look at it, my tire was slightly

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then he show me the tires. makan 1 side liao.

so after add, the tire become vertical again.

Guess theres some genuine case where we need to add chamber nut.

Unless you whack potholes, got into accident etc, your camber would not go out of alignment easily.

The tyre shop that I go to, will have different camber reading, even when done back to back. But the toe readings are consistent. That means their machine is not well calibrated for camber. But for that's OK because the shop never asked me to adjust my camber. He says as long as the tire wears evenly it should be fine.

If a shop is unwilling to do toe adjustments if they don't adjust cambers, I'd go to another shop.

I think this tread should be pinned, so that more people is aware (more of BEWARE) of this "chamber nut" thingy.

I went to change my all 4 tyres today. So naturally request to do the alignment also. Then, the tyre guy told me i need to do chambering also, he said if want to do is +RM 120 for front set and another RM 120 for rear set. I looked at my old tyres which is now laying on the ground, didn't see any uneven wear or eat one side type of wear.

I was very very puzzled , as i thought alignment means align both the Toe and Chamber???? So i told him that last time i've ALREADY changed (read: CONNED , at another tyre shop) my front to the "adjustable chamber nut" already. So you should be able to adjust it no problem. Then he told me no need to buy new adjustable chamber nut, but still to adjust the chamber need RM 60. So front set RM 60 + rear set Rm 120..... total Rm 180

So i told him no i don't want do chamber, just continue do your whatever alignment it is..

I really do think need to pin this thread to bring awareness to all

Edit: Should be pinned under "Tyre Talk" i think?

This post has been edited by efaceninja: Sep 6 2013, 09:07 PM

My Vios 2009 b4 add camber still worm out outer part tires so install camber at front both side still worm out at side and the alignment machine giving wrong reading at many workshop.

Tires worm outer part mean tires are siting inside toward car inside but machine reading tires is sitting out toward car chassis.

Really headache the unsolved problem since 2009!!!!!!!


Any sifu encounter this problem b4 especially vios 2007 onward user. Thanks in advanced

i dont know about you guys, but to me, changing camber bolt is a con to me. iinm, original assembly of the absorber doesnt require camber bolt at all, the bolt is a normal bolt iinm, so the wheels is in neutral position.

but since im track kaki, i ran on -2° daily. we bought camber bolt in dirt cheap price..
i can confirm one thing to you guys out there that camber nut isn't priced at RM50-RM80

This post has been edited by AlexLee277: Sep 8 2013, 03:03 AM

i paid RM 80 each for it, 2 units, total RM 160.....
If only i can see this thread earlier.

I remember having a chat with a experienced tyre guy, he told me this story@mode of operandi about chamber nut I wish to share with fellow lyf member.

1.) Ordinary car do not need adjustable chamber nut, only track car need it.

2.) Cost of this adjustable chamber nut only a few ringgit but sell at 80 ringgit.

3.) Tyre shop staff r instructed by their boss to make a "show" to sell this adjustable chamber nut to customers as the profit margin is huge, & staff get commission from selling it.

4.) Adjustable chamber nut are made of cheap rainbow coated metal normal chamber nut been sent to machine shop to have it trimmed so that it can be adjustable, this in fact cause the chamber nut to become weaker as the metal been trimmed, ur chamber need more adjustment (meaning they got more business) this trimmed chamber nut too tends to bend easily (so they can sell more to u)

5.) Show time : Taukeh ur car chamber very out (show u reading on computer) cannot adjust alignment need to add adjustable chamber nut, if not your tyre will botak easily, so sell u a RM 5 cheapo adjustable chamber nut for RM 80 (16 X profit).

6.) They would usually drive ur car for test drive then go somewhere to manually adhust ur steering.

7.) Actually the fellow would not tell u that sometime ur need to adjust ur castor as well, that why u constantly need to sent back to them for readjustment, offcoz u become water fish more often.
8.) In fact our road r deliberately been surfaced slightly tilt so that water would flow into the drain to reduce aquaplaning, so we don't really need a perfect alignment.

Hope no more LYF readers become water fish "Soh Chai" after this.

This post has been edited by jolokia: Sep 8 2013, 12:13 PM

now you know, this is your first and last time kena con. haha.
btw spare part shop do sell the original bolt/nut. usually mechanice should know at least for proton is for sure la

definitely, this is what i wanted to type earlier, but due to early morning duty, cannot rush the wall of text. good job there pointing the fact my friend

yes yes.. that's what they did to me, both tyre shop.


so i'm driving around with cheapo nut in my car?? should i go look for my OEM nut, buy back and install??

Also, normally when we say do alignment which cost around RM 20, what is included actually?? does it align the Toe, Chamber, and castor?? Or only Toe?? Or only Toe and Chamber??

i face the same problem too!
after you change the camber, your car still move to left side?

exactly the same as mine but i bought those at RM60 per piece. so, total was RM120 (for a pairs) + RM15 (workmanship) = RM135. The reason is they said couldn't adjust the factory/ original chamber so need to change to that kind of adjustable chamber. i asked them to return back both my original chamber though

i would like to ask what is best alignment value that we can ask from them? sorry really newbie here. it was my 1st time doing alignment... and seriously i don't know whether i am or not being conned

used to get this same %^&$ from the tyre shop in sg dua, penang (same row as mcd)

after going to another recommended shop in town (hock cheong-opposite prangin mall area)- never once had a problem.

just pay for allignment n ballancing and you r off to go.

Guys I am a victim as well unfortunately. Paid RM130 for the camber bolt thing for my vios. Luckily got the original ones and I'm gonna go to a trusted workshop to get it reinstalled. Haihhzz

I got it done in Len Seng Tyre & Services in Jalan Angsana 1 Cheras. The guys are typical con men and I would suggest to avoid this place at all cost!!!

Fortunately i didn't listen to the tyre shop earlier, thet guy told me my camber nuts have to be changed and it cost rm130 for 1 pair. I told him just do the alignment will do. Have changed 4 michelin PS4 tyre there.