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statikinetic
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Nov 5 2020, 01:12 PM
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Some curious points from the loss.
Why the heck does Maguire, the Captain, leave the sole big striker Demba Ba to his young partner and leave himself as the free man? Take some responsibility. He's done this from time to time. Vidic would've been all over Ba. Tuanzebe got himself done with a yellow and that was it.
Ole. Oh ho ho. Why does our manager substitute our best player on the night with 30 minutes to go? Do you not want to win? Or does Ole really hate VDB? Did VDB break into Ole's home or something? At this rate, Ole is gonna sack himself with these tactics.
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lee82gx
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Nov 5 2020, 01:38 PM
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Vidic on his worst day is still faster than Harry. Its not an offside trap if your line is above the half way line....
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IpohGuyz
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Nov 5 2020, 02:18 PM
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QUOTE(zhou.xingxing @ Nov 5 2020, 08:18 AM) ini memang kek. i trying to find where are the defenders. it's like extremely far off from demba ba. this performance is far worse than arsenal ones. no chance created at all apart from a rare martial goal. matic so slow. def looks so weak without mctom/fred as backup cover. bruno has not been his usual self for many matches d. most pass also astray. cavani barely touch the ball. jogba comes in also no contribution. waste of space aje. might as well let vdb continue on. in my opinion bruno/jogba should compete same spot. no competition, guarantee start makes bruno also lose form. jogba lagi speechless. he know he will play regardless of form. whether as start or at 60th mins. ole very obvious looks clueless in this match
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zhou.xingxing
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Nov 5 2020, 02:38 PM
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QUOTE(IpohGuyz @ Nov 5 2020, 02:18 PM) ini memang kek. i trying to find where are the defenders. it's like extremely far off from demba ba. this performance is far worse than arsenal ones. no chance created at all apart from a rare martial goal. matic so slow. def looks so weak without mctom/fred as backup cover. bruno has not been his usual self for many matches d. most pass also astray. cavani barely touch the ball. jogba comes in also no contribution. waste of space aje. might as well let vdb continue on. in my opinion bruno/jogba should compete same spot. no competition, guarantee start makes bruno also lose form. jogba lagi speechless. he know he will play regardless of form. whether as start or at 60th mins. ole very obvious looks clueless in this match captain marvel maguire in their box trying to look like beckenbaur... ole has been clueless so many games already. this is his 101 or 102 games in charge... hopefully lotti can send ole out
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arvind13
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Nov 5 2020, 02:49 PM
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Nov 5 2020, 01:12 PM) Some curious points from the loss. Why the heck does Maguire, the Captain, leave the sole big striker Demba Ba to his young partner and leave himself as the free man? Take some responsibility. He's done this from time to time. Vidic would've been all over Ba. Tuanzebe got himself done with a yellow and that was it. Ole. Oh ho ho. Why does our manager substitute our best player on the night with 30 minutes to go? Do you not want to win? Or does Ole really hate VDB? Did VDB break into Ole's home or something? At this rate, Ole is gonna sack himself with these tactics. Yeah absolutely shambolic defending... 10 united players in Opponent half...
Next match against Everton with Carlo Ancelloti at the healm..
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statikinetic
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Nov 5 2020, 03:35 PM
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First off, yes I have some sympahy for Ole in the tactics he is using.
Yes, this is all a direct consequence of Woodward completely failing to capture any of the summer transfer targets. Even VDB was not an Ole target, which is probably why he is being used so sparingly. Woodward has been shit. This is known, now let's get on.
Without the right reinforcements, Ole has realized his preferred setup is left heavy without a RW and AWB cannot cross the ball. That makes it easy to defend against as opponents tend to flood their right defence. And he feels he is best served by the midfield diamond to negate overloading the LW and overcoming the RW problem. So far so good.
What I then struggle to understand is that if you are going to commit players into a midfield diamond, why are you not using the player most comfortable in a diamond? In world football, if you are talking about a diamond formation, you cannot get away from Ajax and the Dutch. Cryuff literally played his entire career in a diamond. VDB is so effective in a midfield diamond and yet he can barely start a game. And even when VDB does and becomes MotM, he still gets subbed after 60 minutes. It is almost like the point of having a midfield diamond isn't to get the best out of the team but to ensure Ole's favourite midfield players get to play. Our main problem remains in midfield, even though we are packed with midfielders. And the defence is now making it worse.
I can't fault Cavani or Martial even though they tend to become invisible in matches. It's because our strikers are feeding off scraps. Cavani probably gets 5 chances at PSG, at United he barely gets one clear cut chance.
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statikinetic
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Nov 5 2020, 03:38 PM
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And the Glazers too dammit. Parasites. If we need an American to own the club, right now I'd rather vote Donald Trump in.
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SUSwongth7
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Nov 5 2020, 03:44 PM
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Lol...The situation now reminds me of jomo's final days when the whole environment feels so toxic and demotivated...Now probably not as toxic..but extremely demotivated..
Soon a new manager will come..suddenly form improves again and 2 seaons later back to the same stage...lol
Like watching Tenet
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bansai
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Nov 5 2020, 04:13 PM
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Nov 5 2020, 01:12 PM) Some curious points from the loss. Why the heck does Maguire, the Captain, leave the sole big striker Demba Ba to his young partner and leave himself as the free man? Take some responsibility. He's done this from time to time. Vidic would've been all over Ba. Tuanzebe got himself done with a yellow and that was it. Ole. Oh ho ho. Why does our manager substitute our best player on the night with 30 minutes to go? Do you not want to win? Or does Ole really hate VDB? Did VDB break into Ole's home or something? At this rate, Ole is gonna sack himself with these tactics. I beg to differ on vidic. Anyone can outrun vidic. The question is who dares to? 😂
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bansai
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Nov 5 2020, 04:15 PM
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Funny how gnev is so silent after last night's match and as usual no united legend is criticising oles tactics.
If it was mou or any other manager, would be slaughtered.
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SUSwongth7
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Nov 5 2020, 04:45 PM
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QUOTE(bansai @ Nov 5 2020, 04:13 PM) I beg to differ on vidic. Anyone can outrun vidic. The question is who dares to? 😂 Torres
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statikinetic
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Nov 5 2020, 04:53 PM
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QUOTE(bansai @ Nov 5 2020, 04:13 PM) I beg to differ on vidic. Anyone can outrun vidic. The question is who dares to? 😂 Vidic doesn't defend by pace. Vidic defends by being all over and manhandling the striker. Which is what Maguire should be doing. If you get the ball and Vidic is nearby, expect pain.
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IpohGuyz
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Nov 5 2020, 05:40 PM
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got many matches i don't think ole is clueless despite everyone saying he is clueless.
but yesterday match he really is clueless! haha
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statikinetic
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Nov 5 2020, 07:17 PM
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QUOTE(IpohGuyz @ Nov 5 2020, 06:59 PM) what shaw is doing at that side of the pitch lol  Bersangka baik. Maybe it is Ole playing Total Football or a variation of it. DF can become ST, ST can become MF and MF become RB.
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zhou.xingxing
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Nov 5 2020, 08:26 PM
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QUOTE(bansai @ Nov 5 2020, 04:15 PM) Funny how gnev is so silent after last night's match and as usual no united legend is criticising oles tactics. If it was mou or any other manager, would be slaughtered. Gnev would hog around board nt supporting his mate. But never question what his mate can do with tools he have in store. Not the first time maguire and co defend like that. Definitely not a premier league team
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and85rew
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Nov 5 2020, 08:31 PM
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poch rumors in but it will be teh same with any other managers as long as woodward is there and no DOF
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maserati
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Nov 5 2020, 09:46 PM
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Nov 5 2020, 07:17 PM) Bersangka baik. Maybe it is Ole playing Total Football or a variation of it. DF can become ST, ST can become MF and MF become RB. yea Totally shit Football
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alfiejr
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Nov 5 2020, 10:22 PM
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QUOTE(and85rew @ Nov 5 2020, 08:31 PM) poch rumors in but it will be teh same with any other managers as long as woodward is there and no DOF I think woody will pull the trigger the soon. The everton game could be the final nail on the coffin for ole. Even as bad that people claimed ed to be, i think he will put the club first and foremost.
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IpohGuyz
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Nov 5 2020, 11:43 PM
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if kalah or draw at everton, kayu sure hand itchy d
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