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Snoy
post Jan 19 2021, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Jan 19 2021, 01:49 PM)
Neutral is common even if you have 3ph wiring.
Generally neutral is shared but you need to keep certain special purpose neutral as dedicated virgin, do not connect anything to them (special purpose = i.e. the Water Heater or wet floor SSO) which are connected to 10mA RCD.

10mA RCD is very sensitive and it will not be able to operate if there is imbalance caused by the injected return path (it is more sensitive than your finance department when you submit fake claims using next door workers' receipts - when you are only entitled for own-expenses claims)
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When I performed house renovation, my electrician informed that I shouldn't pull the neutral from adjacent 13A plug point to the smart switch due to the separated circuit of the 3 phase system (light + fan for 1 phase, 13A points for 1 phase and others in another phase).
Hence, I only purchased no neutral smart switch.

Anyone can verify this?
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post Jan 19 2021, 03:39 PM


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QUOTE(Snoy @ Jan 19 2021, 03:28 PM)
When I performed house renovation, my electrician informed that I shouldn't pull the neutral from adjacent 13A plug point to the smart switch due to the separated circuit of the 3 phase system (light + fan for 1 phase, 13A points for 1 phase and others in another phase).
Hence, I only purchased no neutral smart switch.

Anyone can verify this?
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If the 3 phases all use the same rcd, no issue.

If they split them to 3 different rcd then can cause the rcd to trip if the neutral returns to a different phase rcd
celciuz
post Jan 19 2021, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Jan 19 2021, 03:19 PM)
Yes and yes. Simple to say all the RCD in your pic are the 0.01, 0.03, n 0.1 blocks with test buttons.
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Thanks bro, so basically I'm guessing the 0.01 for heater, 0.03 for 13A and 0.1 is probably for the fan/switches

QUOTE(slimey @ Jan 19 2021, 03:39 PM)
If the 3 phases all use the same rcd, no issue.

If they split them to 3 different rcd then can cause the rcd to trip if the neutral returns to a different phase rcd
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So for my layout, even my upstairs looks pretty similar. Meaning I could just grab the neutral from other phase since it is going back to the same RCD? (except for the water heater I guess).
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post Jan 19 2021, 06:06 PM


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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jan 19 2021, 03:52 PM)
Thanks bro, so basically I'm guessing the 0.01 for heater, 0.03 for 13A and 0.1 is probably for the fan/switches
So for my layout, even my upstairs looks pretty similar. Meaning I could just grab the neutral from other phase since it is going back to the same RCD? (except for the water heater I guess).
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as long as go back to same rcd. correct.

neutral does not have phase.

rcd measures all the current out via phase and compares it with the return via neutral. if imbalance aka go to other rcd or short to ground, then rcd will trip.

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post Jan 19 2021, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jan 19 2021, 08:55 AM)
Does the neutral wire need to be in the same phase or even circuit for it to work?

Eg. lights on R1 while the switch I'm taking from is on Y5 for example. or I need to grab from R1 lights from R1 13A switches?
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Neutral is common but for 3 phase wiring standardize follow the phase/RCD because sensitive RCD imbalance will trip such as water heater.

This post has been edited by excaliburcombo: Jan 19 2021, 08:35 PM
celciuz
post Jan 19 2021, 09:11 PM

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Deleted, wrong thread sorry.

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post Jan 19 2021, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(Snoy @ Jan 19 2021, 03:28 PM)
When I performed house renovation, my electrician informed that I shouldn't pull the neutral from adjacent 13A plug point to the smart switch due to the separated circuit of the 3 phase system (light + fan for 1 phase, 13A points for 1 phase and others in another phase).
Hence, I only purchased no neutral smart switch.

Anyone can verify this?
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Curi DB box pic from another forumer.

https://ibb.co/6gVmNRw

As you can see ALL neutrals from ALL phases are still common neutral at the DB box neutral bar.

I think what he was trying to say you should not simply mix the L1 L2 L3 phases as (if connected live to live wrongly) aka phase-to-phase will become 415V and boom.

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The phase to phase voltage is 415 volts AC. Phase to neutral or phase to earth is 240 volts AC.


QUOTE(celciuz @ Jan 19 2021, 09:11 PM)
Any Mitsubishi JP series (Mr Slim) users here? Do you appreciate having the ability to access the rollers directly?

I currently stay by the main road, using Panasonic inverter which uhh every 3-4 months I need to call people to come clean mainly cause the blower is clogged up.

Am surveying if I should stick to Panasonic or maybe move to Mitsubishi for my new home (mixture of wall and cassette wiring/piping provided by developer).
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This is not aircon thread boss biggrin.gif
Maybe should consider installing those DIY magnetic insect screen (if windows left open to filter out coarse dust bunnies) and Sharp air purifier/air filter.

This post has been edited by ceo684: Jan 19 2021, 11:43 PM
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post Jan 20 2021, 08:43 AM

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Jan 19 2021, 11:10 PM)
This is not aircon thread boss biggrin.gif
Maybe should consider installing those DIY magnetic insect screen (if windows left open to filter out coarse dust bunnies) and Sharp air purifier/air filter.
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Sorry! I just realized I posted in the wrong thread. Aiya, I mixed up my tabs. Side note, my current home doesn't even open the windows, but still... tsk the cons of living by a busy main road. MCO nowadays, condition is definitely better.

 

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