As per title, saw 2015-2017 ish camry hybrid selling for about 80k range, is it worth to buy?

Considerations:
- I need to drive up and down KL -> JB once every week, assuming mileage 1k km per week
- Best to have a stable and comfy ride on the highway
- Should be reliable, toyota should be reliable? just not sure about hybrid car in general
- Most importantly, if possible to save on petrol, since mileage is quite high

Will appreciate if in your reply you can let me know if you have first hand exp, aka, owner of camry hybrid, or you just hear say from friends.

What other car will be a good choice for 70-100k budget?

in that range, Sonata 2016 is much better value.

Camry hybrid look very UNCLE.

Sonata 2016 below 60K.
for kimchi RV Curse.

Avoid Used Toyota at all cost.
toyota being sell at Higher RV just because People think It should be...
and high demand....

Most modern car ( Jap/Korean ) Are quite reliable.

Thus, Sonata is about 25% cheaper, with better aging Look.


if die die want toyota, just go Altis 2020 with Ezbeli, RM943/month

Come on , hungrygodzilla,
Its a Toyota.

But as usual, be careful with used car dealers . Most of their cars have the odometer adjusted.

Camry hybrid is popular with businessman.
My friend has one, 160k and several times I sat in his car still comfortable and steady. Hybrid still functioning (yeah).
My friend is a businessman btw. Travels outstation frequently.

This post has been edited by SleeplessEyes: Sep 28 2020, 10:09 PM

In term of reliability, Toyota will never disappointed you and Camry is a great car to own. But do note hybrid only work under low speed, while you cruising in highway with high speed will use only petrol.

I agree. Sonata one tank can drive about 900km for long distance cruise. City driving about 350-400km per tank

Camry hybrid useful for start stop traffic to help save fuel. I don't feel that it is useful in long distance as main power supply is from engine.

stay away from used hybrids. Don't need to deal with battery issues.

Do you know a lot of hybrid owners when got people or 2nd shop want to trade in their cars they are got damn happy to let go.. I already got few friends driving hybrid from Toyota & Honda, most of them are damn happy when let go as no need to worry about the electronics replacement & A/C parts failing after warranty.. All these parts cost a bomb to replace and they told me the money you save in fuel over the years will just throw back to replace these parts when warranty is off..

This post has been edited by littlefire: Sep 29 2020, 08:57 AM

Then I can only LMAO to these ungrateful hybrid owners.
They should be only driving Axia.
Mau gaya tapi tak mau maintain

Toyota Hybrid system aint a new thing.
Its used in Prius all over the world.
Even taxis such as SG taxis also used them daily.
Proven for its robustness.

The worst case scenario is a partially failed battery after like 300K .
Even that also is not common.

we need more ppl like u
who dont understand hybrid car and battery


to keep used hybrid price as attractive as possible.

get a 2017 hyundai ioniq. Now around rm50k+ only. Newer and better tech compared to camry hybrid.

not much at the budget when it comes to comfort and good FC. some of forumers here pointed out... you need to understand how hybrid works.. the hybrid system install in most japanese family car is meant for city saving not highway.. on highway engine will work like normal car for both movement and charging.. on heavy acceleration - motor will kick in to bring you extra power.. the engine will turn off only on low speed in city drive.

Pure battery drive may goes up to 80kmh or 100kmh (to be clarified this).. unlike BMW PHEV it can goes up to 140kmh on pure battery.



of cos you will still get saving over same class model like accord or mazda 6. the unit my friends own easily hit 20km/l over mix driving

lastly if you can afford get a new car. the second hand car you never know why it was sold by the previous owner, it could be battery failure. Even it gets cheaper over time but the replacement cost easily goes beyond RM10k.. better if you can get a good mechanic to help you check the car you are about to buy

This post has been edited by kevinlim001: Sep 29 2020, 09:31 AM

LOL.. If you think battery is just 1 thing, is more than that.. Electric A/C compressor, transformers, electric steering rack etc.. all these got life span..
A lot of my friends which drive hybrid at first is not concern about environment but the cost they can save from previous tax savings incentive and fuel (calculative person) when new... Now Malaysia fuel is still cheap and not expensive compare to oversea, due to their calculative nature their feedback is not worth to keep or maintain a hybrid especially after warranty.

This post has been edited by littlefire: Sep 29 2020, 09:43 AM

Ok, will check out Sonata, just that I didn't know that his car still exist.

The fact that's it's toyota that's why I dare to even ask about a used hybrid.

I realized most reply mentioned this, if hybrid is not as useful on highway then I will just consider normal petrol options.

Is it still the case now? Since hybrid is considered a old and matured tech in every where else other than Malaysia.

Will visit the showroom when I can, thanks for mentioning.

If I were to go for a used petrol car, what would be a good option for budget ranging 70-100k?

why not camry 2.0 or Altis? accord /civic also can be an option.. civic 1.5 tebu cheapest on roadtax if u r not foot heavy this 1 might work for you

This post has been edited by kevinlim001: Sep 29 2020, 03:44 PM

Im considering Civic, exterior not bad, but have to say, Jap car have the most unimaginative interior, lose to china and korean interior.

Camry 2.4V also can
Camry 2.5V non hybrid also can
Altis 2.0V also steady

Toyota cars - just do regular service maintenance and it will continue to run.

Kia Optima K5
Kia Cerato K3 2.0 also good handling

If you like Honda..Civi 1.5 turbo top spec lo, the power of dreams ma.

But if you want to save fuel, try BMW 320 diesel also can...1 full tank can do KL -> JB ++ some groceries/errand running.

Depends on your right foot.
Your right foot will determine whether the ecu should run in Engine mode, EV mode or both.
It will automatically alternate in between all 3 modes.

This is where the power meter comes handy to control your right foot.
I would think on highway speeds both the engine and motor may run at the same time giving both balance of power and good fuel consumption. So its also a win win situation .


Well if it were me in your shoes, I would opt for 2nd choice: Diesel. Low revs, high torque, and good fuel economy. And also robust for high mileage.

This post has been edited by SleeplessEyes: Sep 29 2020, 04:16 PM

Battery, new tech or not, will degrade over time. At the end of the day, it is a battery. To make matters worse, Malaysia is hot and humid, not ideal for battery.

Now buying a used car. How long will the current battery last? Car batteries are bespoke items. Different models, different kind of batteries. How much will it cost? If you are planning to keep for a long time, are you certain that the battery will still be on sale? If on sale, does the original replacement battery have the same capacity as like new? How deep integration of the battery is with the car system. If battery fails, does the entire car fail or not? If car does not fail when battery fail, means you are driving around with dead weight. You will need to service it at the SC. No other option.

Light foot. I actually hate the feeling of sudden acceleration or stopping, yes it's fun once in a while, but most of the time i will try to ensure min movement/adjustment to the panel when i drive.

Yup, no running away from science that battery will degrade, just wanna explode the cost saving in fuel over time vs the current value of the car vs the money to maintain the car, it i will end up benefiting or losing. But seems like not a significant gain from highway drive.

With hybrid, you are having like two type of engine inside car, thus twice number of parts with failure possibility

never experienced hybrid car before , as for me ill prefer non hybrid car ..

Get 2014 camry 2.5v or 2015 Accord 2.4, both good for long distance travelling. Can aims for 2.0 as alternative if u wish to saving fuel in town. Both 2.0 vs 2.4/2.5 not far different if just cruise 120kmh on highway.

Forgot to say, hybrid boot is smaller bro. Goes to toyota back in year 2015 see in naked eyes. Wargh. So small ar. If u frequent go to airport, big luggage definitely not fit in.

This post has been edited by DM52: Sep 29 2020, 10:46 PM

Get x50 better la. Highway sure get at least 600km la. If u so worry about fuel just buy axia. Good no cheap, cheap no good. U cant have both.

DO NOT GET THE 2016 hyundai sonata
only a handfull of unit sold in malaysia , u will regret 99 if any body part damage and have to change new

Partially fail at 300k? I highly doubt that, surely sounds like bullshit saleman says before buying a car, bcos surely they got commision when u buy the car, and nowhere to be found when the battery is broken later. There is no way a battery could last that long, even with newest and greatest technology, unless u pushed for 300k km in a year, than sure

Wow..u really knows nothing about battery..nor hybrid..i tell u what, buy a hybrid for urself, then comeback here share ur experience

I will avoid hybrid second hand car....

If you notice, the number of Camry hybrids being sold are mainly around the 2015 date. This could be because the car warranty runs out at 5 years, only the battery is covered for 8 years.
There are many electrical parts, including the inverter from battery to engine which are no longer warrantied, and these are costly! And with the weather and flooding nowadays, it gets costly to have to fix, and additional insurance costs money.

Hello there,
I'm not talking from my rear.

Go and Google yourself "How long does Prius batteries last" and you will find a lot of answers there.
The one who don't know about hybrid is someone like you.

Enough said.

hyundai ioniq

damm smooth for 3 years

8 years battery warranty

less than 10k battery replacement


gua dwelling
go do some research lah

all car maker go hybrid now.
some want go full ev

petrol is yesterday.

With this mentality, forever stick to Myvi/Axia/City/Vios/Almera, eventually only used car because new models are going high tech as well.

4 types of replacement parts usually.
- Genuine,
- 3rd Party "Genuine" (supplier not selected in this model AVL, but is supplier for other parts)
- Reconditioned or Dismantled from total loss or half-cut
- 3rd Party Replica

The reason older generations think Toyota is reliable is not because things don't break, but cheap to replace with recond/3rd party replica parts when they break.
Their definition of repair is "able to run", not "restore to pristine condition".
Try to replace every single components with genuine at 4S, tell me if they are cheap again.

Once I had to replace 3x master brake pump within 2 years in an old corolla, and almost crashed. Sum up the cost is more than buying a brand new genuine at the first place. Buy a genuine then it has no cost advantage vs other "so call non reliable and no resell value" brand. Since then, why risk it? Just get any car I like, enjoy it, don't bound by society "reliability" and "resell value" perception, and do a proper repair, minimize the hack to make things "just able to run".

Continentals and for this case Camry Hybrids included have less reconds/replicas option due to modern electronics (components -> PCBA -> firmware, not as easy as copy the plastic mold).

But for some that always go back to 4S even for 10 years old car, car lovers that keep it at tiptop pristine conditions, do preventive maintenance, don't wait for things to break. Hybrid or not, it makes no difference to the service cost.

Battery price is going down consistently. From early 2010 it went down 20% year over year. Now it still over 10% year over year. Also circular economy is getting good traction, you don't throw away old batteries, they get second life in renewable energy power plant as buffer where power density is less of a concern.

You like it or not, this in inevitable. Car makers are trying to extract most values from the automotive industries, in the future more and more people would be going back to 4S. Bawah pokok mechanic is sunset business, the future 3rd party workshop would be run by proper proper engineers and the technicians have taken certification exam of a (if not multiple) car brands.

The world need progress, and is making progress. Bro, don't limit yourself, embrace the future.

This post has been edited by constant_weight: Sep 30 2020, 10:13 AM

one thing you need to note is that. battery is not the only thing you need to consider.

from what i know, hybrid cars, different parts also is for hybrid design, which is more costly than a petrol car.

but then again, i'm not against buying one second hand. just see if its suit you. like other said, if its not a city stop-go drive, then your saving could be reduced.

Make sure to check the car properly. And confirm there are still warranty for the battery and inverter with service center.

If all checks out good then get it. Toyota hybrid technology is very mature and reliable. Parts are not cheap but even for a normal Camry, parts also same price already.

One thing to note is when doing highway, hybrid doesn't help that much. Conventional petrol cars already very saving on highway. Hybrid is more for start/stop driving in the city.

If you like to play with technology then get hybrid, it's a totally new experience driving hybrid.

depends on the speed and throttle. if u want to use more power, both came from engine and motor. if crusing..sometime engine..sometimes motor (depends on battery capacity). overall it's a good car (except small boot space).

I like your statement.

Its our Malaysian mentality.
Everything want covered 100% warranty. Both labour and parts.
No warranty or warranty over, then don't want fork out money repair or maintenance. Sell car.
Then complain "aiya resale value"..
Thats why you see many say - Buy new car, have 100 years warranty , car spoil also never mind. Anything fault, bring back to SC, etc. Never change oil , blame back manufacturer.

Warranty doesn't come free from car manufacturers, dear Malaysians. Your car works fine, SC essentially makes profit from you, both high cost of parts and labour. Period. Wanna claim warranty? Good luck arguing with SCs.

By right, electric cars should be a joy for many Malaysians, which dont like maintenance phobia. No need for oil change whatsoever. However I dont see it taking traction. Yes, I agree that our charging stations is not that many , so yeah Malaysians still prefer to use ICE and do the regular ICE maintenance.
Now waiting for Nissan Kicks to come to Malaysia. That will be awesome.

Conclusion: No need to argue with those wanna drive Myvis but wanna demotivate others to avoid futuristic cars.

This post has been edited by SleeplessEyes: Sep 30 2020, 01:16 PM

Bro, I used to own the Camry Hybrid until 2 months ago. Have you had the pleasure?
I did the numbers. Extra 500 bucks road tax. Extra 300 bucks insurance. Sure, the low profile was fun to drive, but every time it rained, I had to take evasive action. I saw my neighbour with a Civic Hybrid fork out over 10k ringgit when he developed problems with his inverter equipment.

So if you haven't owned one, don't try to sound like you have!

I have one with 11.6kWh, which is hell a lot bigger battery than a Camry Hybrid.

The value of the extra road tax, and insurance you paid is not down the drain, it is the life experience and mobility experience you gain from using the car.

10K repair inverter? So what make you judge it is deficit consider the value gained throughout the period?
- First gen Honda City IDSI CVT prone to transmission problem 16K to replace, and it happens more frequent than inverters failure.
- 10 years down the road, if I still keep this car 50K to replace the hybrid battery is well spent from what I gain on PHEV.
- and battery price would be way less than 50K in the future with the YoY reduction trend.

Not everyone judge value of money spent on "physical metals" on the car alone. There are other aspects, values gained throughout the ownership.

If you are materialistic, don't try to sound like everyone else the same!

This post has been edited by constant_weight: Sep 30 2020, 05:17 PM

Well, how long your Lithium battery last? It is stated that the Lithium is designed to have 500 time recharge but well I can say it can last more recharge cycle, However, how long the battery last between recharge? I believe you know that the time for every recharge get shorter and shorter.

Booked the X50 as well, waiting for the price to come out, but if flagship cross 100k mark then i dont see the point, not that i look down on proton, i had a lot of fun using my mother's persona, it changed my view for proton. Just that if a B segment car is 100k+, i might as well go for a 135k top spec civic. Granted that civic looks like stone age car compared to X50, but, it's a different segment altogether. Meanwhile im also keeping my options open to new and used car.

I generally felt that Malaysian quite skeptical about new tech or in fact, old tech but new in Malaysia. But again, considering all factors, I think used camry hybrid is no go for me since my main concern is just saving on long distance drive on highway. I hope that Malaysia market can embrace new tech better. But cheap petrol + lack of government incentives + lack of infrastructure means that we are 3rd world in terms of vehicle technology.

I'm assuming that all $ spend on car is down the drain la, not too worried about the resale value thingy, good to have higher resale value, but resale value should not rob me off the fun of driving and owning a car. If money is really a problem, then I should look at a more affordable car, or other transport options. No point buying above the means and worry about resales.

I want to story mory..u know what, Honda got 8 years warranty on battery. But that 8 years not cover battery degrade capacity.topkek. Means if ur battery totally cannot hold charge only they change new for u.

My brother just change his insight battery. He buying new in year 2011 and this year change new one. And he got warranty rejected from year 7 until warranty finish. kek.

Yes, hybrid battery can last very very long. But the degrade is happen, ya, it can last maybe up to 20 years. But above certain years, u already feel the power is lost even after the battery fully charged. And they dont cover battery degradation capacity.

B4 someone shoot me said I hate hybrid cars, I want to said, Im proud owner of 2013 facelifted crz with sport plus button. Dig my old comment. I do upload crz picture.

edit-I believe my crz battery can last 25 years. Only use for short distance, so if got loss power just layan dont want to change battery. Let them deplete until 0 only I change. Ya, I feel only a lil bit power loss, but not as obvious as my bro insight. Kek. Maybe due to his long distance often.

This post has been edited by DS51: Sep 30 2020, 09:14 PM

When Honda city rs come out..u come to honda sa and query about hybrid battery. I believe they will said, 'honda gib 8 years warranty on battery'. 'battery can last very long'. 'even insight battery 10 years not even change'

Later on try, u try give knockout question 'Does it cover battery degradation?'. U will see their priceless reaction. lol.

Hi,
Your comparing a hybrid battery with your handphone battery?
To answer your question with facts backed up, its not.Li-Ion battery.
Hybrids are powered by Nickel Metal Hydrate NIMH .

Source:
https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/archive...rs_here_to_stay

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/112032...for-its-hybrids

Hope.this clarify the confusion

The real fact is that the hybrid cars nowadays are powered by either Li-Ion, NiMH or even lead acid. The Li-Ion is the latest trend with claims of even 15 years battery life. The NiMH battery is more common nowadays since it is cheaper because has been in market much longer, but unlike Li-Ion, it has memory effect and has lower capacity than Li-Ion plus it is losing charge faster than Li-Ion.

Yes, the Li-Ion is the best among the battery current until new technology coming up like Graphene or LFP ( Lithium Iron Phosphate) which has higher power density become more commercial.

Some manufacturers are very transparent about the degradation.

In my Volvo for example:
- 96 cells battery in 6 modules (16 cells in each module)
- you can't change individual cell, but can change single module
- Use only 73% of the battery where empty = 17%, full = 90%
- designed degradation rate is with 2x full charge daily on 300 days a year, battery capacity remain > 70% over 15 years
- long term storage recommendation is store with 1/4 battery level. Check and top up every 6 months.

One full charge is 40KM of pure electrical drive in hybrid mode (50KM if deliberately set to Pure mode), it is true to real usage for me.

So 2x full charge = 80KM, 300 days = 24,000KM on pure electric drive a year.
That's more than normal people can charge unless one have charger at both work and home. Most people only able to charge on way due to limited charging stations.

Ya, completely agree with you, you change it when it degrade below your practical usage.
We know battery will degrade when we buy the car, there are other features we value that makes us want the car, when time comes just replace what degraded/gone bad. If you drive 100,000KM on ICE, piston ring leak lubricant also what.

Some people want to buy big car like Camry, but not willing to pay service, wear and tear maintenance, not even willing to pay road tax and insurance. He win liao loh.

This post has been edited by constant_weight: Oct 1 2020, 11:11 AM

Fuh.very detailed and transparent from Volvo. Honda and other manufacturer definitely need to learn from them about this.

Can elaborate how your brother fail to claim warranty for the HV battery? AFAIK, battery degradation is allowed to claim warranty. I mean, how can you expect the battery not to degrade?

If you are in the Klang Valley, there are a few shops which are able to repair/recondition/replace the HV batteries.
For the Toyota, it is possible to replace certain cells.
For single or small number of cells which need to be replaced, they can replace those cells and perform a balancing and you are good to go.
If more cells needs to be replaced, they'll sell you a reconditioned module.
There are plenty of resources online if you are interested in the battery.

Other components such as inverter, compressor, brake pump, etc, you can get more information from owners groups.

However, if your drive involves lots of full charge-discharge cycle, such as hill climb and decent, the battery may get more stressed and fail earlier.
Example, daily up and down Genting.
However, usually when it fails, it is not all the cells in the module

Check the mileage of the cars as the hybrids tend to have higher than average mileage due to the nature of the usage

Who said battery degrade can claim warranty ma?. at least not for Honda. lol. If can, I also want claim my crz battery since next year my battery warranty is expired.

I cannot explain very detail scared Honda Lod. But, its like this, my bro feel power no longer umphh.means torque no longer juicy supplied by battery. even after battery full charged, power no longer the same.

Honda reject said, its normal behavior and battery still hold charge. so warranty rejected.

Yeah, battery degrade is normal. but, they Honda should be very transparent said, 8 years warranty only cover battery malfunction, not cover 10% battery left from degrade. But if Honda told like that to customer, no one will buy hybrid rights?(as customer aware they force to change battery even if the battery still ok due to degrade capacity hence degrade power)



This post has been edited by DS51: Oct 2 2020, 11:46 AM

Hi ,
I'm driving the Camry Hybrid now for the last 3.5 years. the fc is good . city driving only full tank about 50l gets about 650km

hybrid battery repacement at Toyota sc is about RM6k if I'm not mistaken definately below 10k

Hybrid battery warranty 8 years.

The normal battery is expensive at 1.2k but mine already 3.5 years still ok.

The power in pick up is astounding for a Camry. It is infectious. My normal service cost is about RM350 every 10k km.

comfort is very nice, big interior , good fc, strong pick up and power. cost 2nd hand is about 80-90k. IMHO it is a good buy.

So far nothing broke or need any major replacement after 3.5 years.

650km for 50L= 13km/L only?
I know it's already good for a 2.5L but I was expecting around 17km/L for a Hybrid.

Maybe because your foot is heavy.

Anyhow let me share a Facebook ad
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid...114293777103211



This post has been edited by SleeplessEyes: Oct 15 2020, 07:33 PM

Jap sedan very robust. My accord until 7 years, no much change parts. only after enter into 8 years, problem surface one by one.

But luckily got 3rd party parts made from Thailand. If original Honda Japan parts, cut throat nia.

Then you need a diesel. 320d will fit the bill. Good FC relative to petrol cars. Doesn’t rev high just gobs of torque at almost the whole RPM range.

Can get F30 with your budget.

[quote=SleeplessEyes,Oct 15 2020, 07:33 PM]
650km for 50L= 13km/L only?
I know it's already good for a 2.5L but I was expecting around 17km/L for a Hybrid.

Maybe because your foot is heavy.


Thanks for the local hybrid replacement fb page. Appreciate it.

I now face a problem today where i cannot activate the EV only mode and the EV battery show full charge but the engine is always on and charging the battery. Seems the battery cannot on or discharge? Anyone have any advice or any experiance on this ?

If you travel mostly on highway, the hybrid and the non hybrid doesnt matter much, unless you are on 80kmh and below. Hybrid cars are good for town use where there are a lot of stop n go traffic bcos it saves a lot of fuel. For highway use, the petrol engine would be running all the time if u r going at highway speeds.

I am drivng a Camry 2.4. On full highway with a light foot, 1 full tank of Ron97 gives me 800km, Ron 95 gives me 730km. 5 spped auto

Have friends driving Camry 2.5. On full highway with a light foot, 1 full tank of Ron97 gives 850km, Ron 95 gives 760km.
6 spped auto