because ppl scare crime.
ppl will pay every month for this.
agree?
Chat Gated & guarded community is malaysia future?
Chat Gated & guarded community is malaysia future?
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because ppl scare crime.
ppl will pay every month for this. agree? |
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Sep 9 2020, 11:23 AM
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Guard must be professional one la. Not simply those not trained and waive hand and open gate.
See those at Tropicana, they use armed guard. |
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Sep 9 2020, 11:34 AM
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Sep 9 2020, 11:35 AM
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Sure Nope.
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Sep 9 2020, 11:38 AM
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you do realise GnG can't legally stop cars from entering and using the roads..
those are public roads still.. |
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Sep 9 2020, 11:41 AM
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Hard for you to ronda the G&G area is it?
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Sep 9 2020, 11:41 AM
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i see ppl pay, but tom, dick and harry still can enter, so this syiok sendiri.
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Sep 9 2020, 11:42 AM
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Sep 9 2020, 11:44 AM
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later ambulance, firefighter having hard time to get in. padan mukak
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problem is the guard is the 1 who will rob ur haus when u not around
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QUOTE(Liamness @ Sep 9 2020, 11:38 AM) you do realise GnG can't legally stop cars from entering and using the roads.. for individual title housing, yes they cant legally stop cars, but for strata title housing, they can.those are public roads still.. yummymommy liked this post
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Sep 9 2020, 11:53 AM
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useless. even in condo people can panjat to commit robbery/theft.
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QUOTE(Liamness @ Sep 9 2020, 11:38 AM) you do realise GnG can't legally stop cars from entering and using the roads.. Not really, if its strata its not public road but road maintain by JMB, as such JMB has authority to stop vehicle entering the compound, such as a condo.those are public roads still.. If the compound is not strata, but gated community such as under RT or persatuan, den yes its a public road and as such cant stop vehicle using the public road. Let me guess, u didnt pay the gate fees to ur taman? |
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Sep 9 2020, 11:57 AM
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Guard knows which house got people or not.
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Sep 9 2020, 11:59 AM
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QUOTE(Ashadiya @ Sep 9 2020, 11:56 AM) Not really, if its strata its not public road but road maintain by JMB, as such JMB has authority to stop vehicle entering the compound, such as a condo. I think he knows the distinction, the word guarded and gated and guarded is used so intechangeably that most ppl cant tell which means strata and which means individual title.If the compound is not strata, but gated community such as under RT or persatuan, den yes its a public road and as such cant stop vehicle using the public road. Let me guess, u didnt pay the gate fees to ur taman? |
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Sep 9 2020, 12:02 PM
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QUOTE(y500 @ Sep 9 2020, 11:47 AM) Got demo? |
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QUOTE(y500 @ Sep 9 2020, 11:47 AM) biar betul... |
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Because we cant depend on pulis to defend us. Because if robber come in and try to hurt you, rob you, rape your family, you're not suppose to defend them. Instead you're suppose to offer your family to them for them to satisfied their urge and pleasure. Make them tea while you're at it.
Once they are done, you can call abang pulis to come and take finger print make report for filling and thats it. |
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i live in GnG, Eco Majestic by Ecoworld. visitor must register, we have visitor logbook in apps, anytime visitor come either we send them QR Code or they intercom us then only allow in. Since intercom is done by apps + home fiber optics, I could receive intercom calls even when I was in iceland outback lol. if want to check back, can get scanned copy and photo of visitor IC, face, car dating back to when i first move in in 2017. perimeter fencing all got cctv, motion sensor, 24 hours polis bantuan patrolling RM200/month for 24 x 75 intermediate house inclusive of landscaping, pest control. I think it's worth it, but I still intend to install CCTV to deter. This post has been edited by KuzumiTaiga: Sep 9 2020, 12:10 PM max_cavalera liked this post
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QUOTE(Ashadiya @ Sep 9 2020, 11:56 AM) Not really, if its strata its not public road but road maintain by JMB, as such JMB has authority to stop vehicle entering the compound, such as a condo. exactly..If the compound is not strata, but gated community such as under RT or persatuan, den yes its a public road and as such cant stop vehicle using the public road. Let me guess, u didnt pay the gate fees to ur taman? you can't depend entirely on the term 'GnG'.. you must look out for whether it is individual title or strata. but then again, strata carries their own issues such as not being allowed to renovate or change the facade of your house.. You are limited to just whatever the developer built and put out. Also, the fees are significantly higher. IMO, the best is gated community, that has perimeter fencing around the estate, and a built in security entrance.. BUT still maintain individual title. Sure, you technically can't prevent entrance, as the road is still public, but not many would be robbers know of this fact.. they will all assume the development is GnG and won't bother you. bullchips liked this post
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Dekat klang taman berkeley ada satu rumah pakai wiring elektrik all round the house
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Anything shit can happen with guarded or gated community. Just the difference is the thief highly chance dont consider ur house to steal thing .
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QUOTE(Liamness @ Sep 9 2020, 12:11 PM) exactly.. Yup 11 sen per sq ft for me, but im ok with it, dey take care of my garden, security, d roads n etcyou can't depend entirely on the term 'GnG'.. you must look out for whether it is individual title or strata. but then again, strata carries their own issues such as not being allowed to renovate or change the facade of your house.. You are limited to just whatever the developer built and put out. Also, the fees are significantly higher. IMO, the best is gated community, that has perimeter fencing around the estate, and a built in security entrance.. BUT still maintain individual title. Sure, you technically can't prevent entrance, as the road is still public, but not many would be robbers know of this fact.. they will all assume the development is GnG and won't bother you. Im ok with no extension, as its enough for me n my family And also no kindergarten or tadika open in strata, so nice n quiet living This post has been edited by Ashadiya: Sep 9 2020, 12:33 PM |
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QUOTE(y500 @ Sep 9 2020, 11:47 AM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « This post has been edited by dregatar: Sep 9 2020, 12:14 PM |
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QUOTE(KuzumiTaiga @ Sep 9 2020, 12:09 PM) i live in GnG, Eco Majestic by Ecoworld. Apa ni bang, sudah secure mau lg taruk cctv, ckp lah mau ambil gambar amoi kat depan tu 😁visitor must register, we have visitor logbook in apps, anytime visitor come either we send them QR Code or they intercom us then only allow in. Since intercom is done by apps + home fiber optics, I could receive intercom calls even when I was in iceland outback lol. if want to check back, can get scanned copy and photo of visitor IC, face, car dating back to when i first move in in 2017. perimeter fencing all got cctv, motion sensor, 24 hours polis bantuan patrolling RM200/month for 24 x 75 intermediate house inclusive of landscaping, pest control. I think it's worth it, but I still intend to install CCTV to deter. |
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QUOTE(KuzumiTaiga @ Sep 9 2020, 12:09 PM) i live in GnG, Eco Majestic by Ecoworld. how u guys handle those who die2 refuse to pay security fee?visitor must register, we have visitor logbook in apps, anytime visitor come either we send them QR Code or they intercom us then only allow in. Since intercom is done by apps + home fiber optics, I could receive intercom calls even when I was in iceland outback lol. if want to check back, can get scanned copy and photo of visitor IC, face, car dating back to when i first move in in 2017. perimeter fencing all got cctv, motion sensor, 24 hours polis bantuan patrolling RM200/month for 24 x 75 intermediate house inclusive of landscaping, pest control. I think it's worth it, but I still intend to install CCTV to deter. |
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Yup agreed.
For me landed gng is the ultimate living |
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QUOTE(KuzumiTaiga @ Sep 9 2020, 12:09 PM) i live in GnG, Eco Majestic by Ecoworld. Any break in incident so far ?visitor must register, we have visitor logbook in apps, anytime visitor come either we send them QR Code or they intercom us then only allow in. Since intercom is done by apps + home fiber optics, I could receive intercom calls even when I was in iceland outback lol. if want to check back, can get scanned copy and photo of visitor IC, face, car dating back to when i first move in in 2017. perimeter fencing all got cctv, motion sensor, 24 hours polis bantuan patrolling RM200/month for 24 x 75 intermediate house inclusive of landscaping, pest control. I think it's worth it, but I still intend to install CCTV to deter. |
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QUOTE(Liamness @ Sep 9 2020, 12:11 PM) IMO, the best is gated community, that has perimeter fencing around the estate, and a built in security entrance.. BUT still maintain individual title. My old place had 97% resident support and the residents sneakily put up the fencing early to complement the guardhouse before gated communities were a thing. So much so even the local council thought it was erected by developer haha. But my god was life so difficult as a committee member. So little volunteers means its the same tired old faces volunteering. And the 3% that doesnt support the scheme can really and i mean really create havoc just for the heck of it Still...if you do find one please share here hahah. Wouldnt mind retiring there myself one day |
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QUOTE(JasonTheGreat @ Sep 9 2020, 11:23 AM) Guard must be professional one la. Not simply those not trained and waive hand and open gate. Before this Tropicana was target until they used armed aux pulis. Then again if you say go play golf, they still let you in.See those at Tropicana, they use armed guard. |
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Nope... My neighborhood ada kena robbed.
They intro guard. Got few problem neighbors with mindset of... "Not gonna pay for it. For what? I am very confident my house won't kena." Then once kena say " see... Ada guard pun useless.. for what i pay." |
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QUOTE(Liamness @ Sep 9 2020, 12:44 PM) you can't not pay your fees in strata.. eventually, you need to settle it. Put a big signboard at entrance for unit that paid and clearly said “Guard only jaga these houses”. Non jaga one scream also no one call police.the JMB can take legal action against you if you don't pay. |
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QUOTE(JasonTheGreat @ Sep 9 2020, 12:45 PM) Put a big signboard at entrance for unit that paid and clearly said “Guard only jaga these houses”. Non jaga one scream also no one call police. hahaha.. welcome to BU.That's what they do at the old landed props la. Like my parents place in BU.. quite effective i would say. But still have robber cases.. This post has been edited by Liamness: Sep 9 2020, 12:48 PM |
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QUOTE(9m2w @ Sep 9 2020, 12:30 PM) Very difficult to get such a community to be frank. You need alot of like minded residents who are willing to contribute and support the association. That would mean committee members handling security collections and also managing the security firm. And the perimeter fencing is illegal now unless the developer originally put it up. Chances of applying for one are close to nil compared to applying for a guardhouse. and yet the 3% wants safe living tooMy old place had 97% resident support and the residents sneakily put up the fencing early to complement the guardhouse before gated communities were a thing. So much so even the local council thought it was erected by developer haha. But my god was life so difficult as a committee member. So little volunteers means its the same tired old faces volunteering. And the 3% that doesnt support the scheme can really and i mean really create havoc just for the heck of it Still...if you do find one please share here hahah. Wouldnt mind retiring there myself one day |
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i live in gated guarded individual title community for the past 10 years
all i can say is nowadays it's hard to get all people to agree on something surely there's someone who claim to 'know' better (learn from youtube maybe) also there's always an opposing team, oppose to whatever trying to make life difficult without these agreement, the place become a boring place to live so i move out to a safe place in a normal housing community happy life |
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QUOTE(WinkyJr @ Sep 9 2020, 12:22 PM) strata title, so got court case.https://focusmalaysia.my/opinion/criminal-p...ribunal-awards/ |
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unless ur taman is using master tittle can ban car from coming
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QUOTE(9m2w @ Sep 9 2020, 12:30 PM) But my god was life so difficult as a committee member. So little volunteers means its the same tired old faces volunteering. And the 3% that doesnt support the scheme can really and i mean really create havoc just for the heck of it The bug bear of any residential association.A thankless tasks and responsibility to be a committee member on one of these societies unless of course it is sitting on a big and when I mean big really big pile of cash. |
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guarded community ise security guards only, if robbers come, they probably do nothing. A group of German Shepard is better than a group of security guards.
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Security guard is useless...better install more CCTV and alarms that when trigger will automatic call police.
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QUOTE(Liamness @ Sep 9 2020, 11:38 AM) you do realise GnG can't legally stop cars from entering and using the roads.. If the gng approved by municipal they can in fact - my area is one of itthose are public roads still.. But if the road need to be used by other community the municipal will only allow them to enforce the boom gate at night |
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QUOTE(KuzumiTaiga @ Sep 9 2020, 01:16 PM) must pay |
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QUOTE(JasonTheGreat @ Sep 9 2020, 11:23 AM) Guard must be professional one la. Not simply those not trained and waive hand and open gate. This one auxilary police already. Sunway city also have their own police. Just that Tropicana one is dedicated to that specific neighbourhoodSee those at Tropicana, they use armed guard. |
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Sep 9 2020, 01:37 PM) If the gng approved by municipal they can in fact - my area is one of it They cant if there is public access amenities like field inside your area. But if the road need to be used by other community the municipal will only allow them to enforce the boom gate at night But if its self enclosed area like DPC or similar concept ie Kota Kemuning or some parts of Ara Damansara, yes they can bar u from the field too. |
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get few dogs
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QUOTE(DJJD @ Sep 9 2020, 01:48 PM) They cant if there is public access amenities like field inside your area. Yep if the other community need access for shared facility they cannotBut if its self enclosed area like DPC or similar concept ie Kota Kemuning or some parts of Ara Damansara, yes they can bar u from the field too. |
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QUOTE(KuzumiTaiga @ Sep 9 2020, 01:18 PM) zero in the whole township. Good.when u think about it, quite impossible to break in, a lot of empty buffer zone between road and perimeter fence. Setia Eco Park also like this. Even Indon maids who want to run away also cannot, going around asking contractors who carry out works inside to help but nobody woud because at security she will be identified. |
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QUOTE(Divou @ Sep 9 2020, 04:00 PM) Good. setia eco park is crazy, just look at the cctv at fence, so manySetia Eco Park also like this. Even Indon maids who want to run away also cannot, going around asking contractors who carry out works inside to help but nobody woud because at security she will be identified. |
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Today went checking tropicana. Really good. Guarded by polis bantuan. All got shotguns
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Gated with AI security camera is the future
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All show only. Anyone can go in, just take license photo only. Guard Nepal with only torchlight and bamboo and a big black dog.
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