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post Sep 4 2020, 06:35 PM, updated 6y ago

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Hello, I'm thinking of buying a solid cordless driller for personal use

My budget below rm200 if possible

It can be from physical shop in klang valley or nearby bandar utama
Or online shop but must be trustable

Thank you
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post Sep 4 2020, 06:38 PM

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post Sep 4 2020, 06:52 PM

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Cordless? Below RM200? And reliable some more? If you found one, let me know.
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post Sep 6 2020, 01:59 AM

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What do u want to drill first and foremost coz the drillz u buy need to be suitable for the material
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post Sep 6 2020, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Sep 6 2020, 01:59 AM)
What do u want to drill first and foremost coz the drillz u buy need to be suitable for the material
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I want to drill screw for furniture etc
On wood and on walls

Also want to drill holes on walls (maybe wood too maybe not, not sure yet)
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post Sep 7 2020, 03:13 AM

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QUOTE(Teddysaur @ Sep 6 2020, 01:07 PM)
I want to drill screw for furniture etc
On wood and on walls

Also want to drill holes on walls (maybe wood too maybe not, not sure yet)
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wood no need expensive tool.. any made in china drill also can handle wood easily.. drilling holes in wood is easy.. screwing into wood AFTER predrilling a small hole 1-1.5mm also doable.. screwing directly (no predrill) into balau or other super hard hardwood is another story

but walls.. this is where it gets interesting.
concrete walls, no cheap way, use rotary hammer else u will spend 5-10 min per wall plug hole.

brick walls (orange clay brick/sand brick), cordless one for 200 bucks tool-only will work (with hammer mode)..you're looking at the bosch GSB180Li and similar.

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post Sep 7 2020, 08:28 AM

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Sep 7 2020, 03:13 AM)
wood no need expensive tool.. any made in china drill also can handle wood easily.. drilling holes in wood is easy.. screwing into wood AFTER predrilling a small hole 1-1.5mm also doable.. screwing directly (no predrill) into balau or other super hard hardwood is another story

but walls.. this is where it gets interesting.
concrete walls, no cheap way, use rotary hammer else u will spend 5-10 min per wall plug hole.

brick walls (orange clay brick/sand brick), cordless one for 200 bucks tool-only will work (with hammer mode)..you're looking at the bosch GSB180Li and similar.
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many people in kopitiam suggested i should go for corded with hammer function with this budget
do you agree?

if so is there any equivalent driller but corded that does this?
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post Sep 7 2020, 11:04 AM

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Those are two different power tools for different working purpose.

Battery hand drill (cordless) - mainly function as a replacement for manual screw driver, drill holes on wood/timber, assemble ikea simple furniture. Pick any 12V or 18V model should be sufficient. No need to go for high power model because those models usually are more heavy/bulky.

Rotary hammer (corded) - mainly for drilling holes in concrete/ brickwalls/tiles. Heavy duty works like drilling hole for mounting mirror, cabinets, towel hanger, those kind of stuff. You can't really use it to assemble Ikea furniture as its too bulky. For rotary hammer, it's better to check out branded one like Bosch, Makita, etc. https://www.cthardware.com/ is a good place to explore.

There is cordless rotary hammer but totally unnecessary for home use. It costs upwards of thousand ringgit easily.
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post Sep 7 2020, 11:22 AM

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Go for 12V 2.0ah brushless motor cordless drill.
Worx wu-130 is one good brand, RM300.
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QUOTE(littleants @ Sep 7 2020, 11:04 AM)
Those are two different power tools for different working purpose.

Battery hand drill (cordless) - mainly function as a replacement for manual screw driver, drill holes on wood/timber, assemble ikea simple furniture. Pick any 12V or 18V model should be sufficient. No need to go for high power model because those models usually are more heavy/bulky.

Rotary hammer (corded) - mainly for drilling holes in concrete/ brickwalls/tiles. Heavy duty works like drilling hole for mounting mirror, cabinets, towel hanger, those kind of stuff. You can't really use it to assemble Ikea furniture as its too bulky. For rotary hammer, it's better to check out branded one like Bosch, Makita, etc. https://www.cthardware.com/ is a good place to explore.

There is cordless rotary hammer but totally unnecessary for home use. It costs upwards of thousand ringgit easily.
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Ohh good to know
yes I need something like how you described as battery hand drill
cause i need assemble ikea furniture

but i also want to drill hole on my wall because i want to put curtain rail

so what can you advise?

i prefer 1 tool
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post Sep 7 2020, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(Teddysaur @ Sep 7 2020, 01:09 PM)
Ohh good to know
yes I need something like how you described as battery hand drill
cause i need assemble ikea furniture

but i also want to drill hole on my wall because i want to put curtain rail

so what can you advise?

i prefer 1 tool
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GSB120LI will suffice for your usage. It just won't do concrete wall.

https://shopee.com.my/Cordless-drill-GSB120...6591.7938867979

Max. drilling diameter in wood: 19 mm
Max. drilling diameter in steel: 6 mm
Max. drilling diameter in masonry: 8 mm (brick walls only)


Note:
For concrete wall you need rotary hammer - cheap one will do

https://shopee.com.my/BOSSMAN-Rotary-Hammer...2919.1018827468

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QUOTE(Teddysaur @ Sep 7 2020, 01:09 PM)
Ohh good to know
yes I need something like how you described as battery hand drill
cause i need assemble ikea furniture

but i also want to drill hole on my wall because i want to put curtain rail

so what can you advise?

i prefer 1 tool
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2 cheap tools that do one correct job is better than 1 expensive tool that do half of the job.

If you insist on one tool, impact driver can do a little bit of both.. but it could be too strong that destroy you ikea furniture and at the same time not strong enough to drill fast in concrete. And branded impact driver is very very much expensive. Plus, you need to buy quite a few different accessories to work.
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QUOTE(littleants @ Sep 8 2020, 04:58 PM)
2 cheap tools that do one correct job is better than 1 expensive tool that do half of the job.

If you insist on one tool, impact driver can do a little bit of both.. but it could be too strong that destroy you ikea furniture and at the same time not strong enough to drill fast in concrete. And branded impact driver is very very much expensive. Plus, you need to buy quite a few different accessories to work.
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i agree with the above quote.
i would get a corded impact drill for wall/concrete heavy duty stuffs.
and get a cordless portable drill for lightweight stuffs e.g assembling furniture, wood drilling.
but so hard to find affordable good one nowadays..even bosch is made in china now. questionable.
my dad's german made bosch is 20 years old and still working fine.

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QUOTE(littleants @ Sep 8 2020, 04:58 PM)
2 cheap tools that do one correct job is better than 1 expensive tool that do half of the job.

If you insist on one tool, impact driver can do a little bit of both.. but it could be too strong that destroy you ikea furniture and at the same time not strong enough to drill fast in concrete. And branded impact driver is very very much expensive. Plus, you need to buy quite a few different accessories to work.
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Good point
Part of it is that for someone like me who has no idea would feel that only one is necessary

But youre right
Any recommendation if 2 tools then?
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QUOTE(littleants @ Sep 8 2020, 04:58 PM)
2 cheap tools that do one correct job is better than 1 expensive tool that do half of the job.

If you insist on one tool, impact driver can do a little bit of both.. but it could be too strong that destroy you ikea furniture and at the same time not strong enough to drill fast in concrete. And branded impact driver is very very much expensive. Plus, you need to buy quite a few different accessories to work.
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Impact driver is using a trailer to go tapau burger.. overkill for ikea stuff/home use.. TS not using for shipping crate packing usage

QUOTE(xajimx @ Sep 8 2020, 05:06 PM)
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i agree with the above quote.
i would get a corded impact drill for wall/concrete heavy duty stuffs.
and get a cordless portable drill for lightweight stuffs e.g assembling furniture, wood drilling.
but so hard to find affordable good one nowadays..even bosch is made in china now. questionable.
my dad's german made bosch is 20 years old and still working fine.
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Impact drill not equal to rotary hammer.
For brick still okay coz the material not that hard.
For concrete need to smash with sufficient force otherwise its the same as using toy balloon hammer ("impact drill").. thats why prison cells made from concrete.. almost impossible to break by hand.

QUOTE(Teddysaur @ Sep 8 2020, 06:19 PM)
Good point
Part of it is that for someone like me who has no idea would feel that only one is necessary

But youre right
Any recommendation if 2 tools then?
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You can start with the GSB120-LI. It will work great for holes not larger than the old school 2B pencil size.
For Ikea furniture assy I use the bigger GSB180LI on the lowest torque setting (no.1) so you don't really need something very powerful.
Please note there is a difference between GSB and GSR. GSB, B for Bang (got impact function).. vs GSR, R for Reversible (NO IMPACT) - don't terbeli the wrong version coz GSR is cheaper

If you need bigger toys then ascertain if you're landed or high rise (concrete walls)

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post Sep 9 2020, 08:44 PM

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QUOTE(xajimx @ Sep 8 2020, 05:06 PM)
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i agree with the above quote.
i would get a corded impact drill for wall/concrete heavy duty stuffs.
and get a cordless portable drill for lightweight stuffs e.g assembling furniture, wood drilling.
but so hard to find affordable good one nowadays..even bosch is made in china now. questionable.
my dad's german made bosch is 20 years old and still working fine.
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My Bosch GSB 10 RE is 15 years and it's Made in Malaysia. Only changed carbon brush and re-grease once myself. Still going strong.
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QUOTE(lyt25_1234 @ Sep 9 2020, 08:44 PM)
My Bosch GSB 10 RE is 15 years and it's Made in Malaysia. Only changed carbon brush and re-grease once myself. Still going strong.
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QUOTE(xajimx @ Sep 10 2020, 09:44 AM)
nice  thumbup.gif
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I hope it stays that way for another 15 years...biggrin.gif
The only thing I need to change is the chuck...i think it's wearing out soon.
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QUOTE(lyt25_1234 @ Sep 10 2020, 10:47 AM)
I hope it stays that way for another 15 years...biggrin.gif
The only thing I need to change is the chuck...i think it's wearing out soon.
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i think good maintenance, oiling it etc, keeping it in dry and out of dust, and use it once in a while would do the job.
hard to find good quality stuffs nowadays
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QUOTE(xajimx @ Sep 10 2020, 10:51 AM)
i think good maintenance, oiling it etc, keeping it in dry and out of dust, and use it once in a while would do the job.
hard to find good quality stuffs nowadays
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Yes, totally agreed!
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QUOTE(xajimx @ Sep 10 2020, 10:51 AM)
i think good maintenance, oiling it etc, keeping it in dry and out of dust, and use it once in a while would do the job.
hard to find good quality stuffs nowadays
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My dad had a old bosch jigsaw and drill from the 90s
Drill still OK made in germany or some EU country
Jigsaw holder loose AF and blade never cut properly after lending to relative. Died quickly after that. Suspected to be dropped and got damaged. So moral of the story don't lend good tools bangwall.gif
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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Sep 14 2020, 11:55 AM)
My dad had a old bosch jigsaw and drill from the 90s
Drill still OK made in germany or some EU country
Jigsaw holder loose AF and blade never cut properly after lending to relative. Died quickly after that. Suspected to be dropped and got damaged. So moral of the story don't lend good tools  bangwall.gif
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i highlighted your mistake for you laugh.gif
lol sorry to hear that bro. that's rule no. 1 for better care for anything also.
be it your car, your underwear, no one knows it better than you do.
they dont have sentimental/attachment to it like you do so it's ok for them to cincai use. ranting.gif
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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Sep 8 2020, 11:00 PM)
Impact drill not equal to rotary hammer.
For brick still okay coz the material not that hard.
For concrete need to smash with sufficient force otherwise its the same as using toy balloon hammer ("impact drill").. thats why prison cells made from concrete.. almost impossible to break by hand.
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1) I saw in shopee, there's also Rotary Drill and Rotary Hammer. Different usage?

https://shopee.com.my/product/12851682/1002...17-1604579357.9
https://shopee.com.my/product/12851682/2969...17-1604579370.9

2) so if my main purpose is drilling to insert screws into concrete walls (to pasang curtain rods), i need only a rotary hammer right? The 2nd link above?

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QUOTE(hirano @ Nov 5 2020, 08:32 PM)
1) I saw in shopee, there's also Rotary Drill and Rotary Hammer. Different usage?

https://shopee.com.my/product/12851682/1002...17-1604579357.9
https://shopee.com.my/product/12851682/2969...17-1604579370.9

Rotary drill = turn circles only. Same as the hand drill in school. Typically only accepts round shank bits.

Impact drill = turn circles and using plastic toy hammer to bangwall.gif many tens of thousands of plastic hammer impact per min so it is only good for light duty (brick wall). Typically accepts round shank bits.

Rotary hammer = turn circles and use a piston design to really drive the drill bit like bangwall.gif  bangwall.gif  bangwall.gif  bangwall.gif  bangwall.gif  bangwall.gif  bangwall.gif of just 1-2k strong punches per minute. Accepts slotted heavy duty SDS Plus bits.

Demolition hammer using SDS Max used on building construction site - extreme duty - no need to mention, that is overkill (portable muhammad ali).


2) so if my main purpose is drilling to insert screws into concrete walls, i need only a rotary hammer right? The 2nd link above?
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Yes a rotary hammer is what you need for concrete.
GBH 2-24 DRE Rotary Hammer with SDS-plus thumbsup.gif u can get for about 430-440 for this model from other seller like geolaser or intechmachinery or protools or jiayiwg89 or happyyow instead of official mall geh.
These are the ones I am happy buying from.
Some other hardware shop lixxhxxhxxxxxxx tarak bagus, keep my order waiting for two months during MCO and never ship out.

U can verify their shop on bosch authorised dealer list on the bosch malaysia site. Only thing, they may not throw in free bits but the diff in price, you can get own bits, and if you not using the "free chisel" then can just buy tool only (confirm it come with the hard case before buying).

SDS Plus bits

u can see what size u need, wall plug one is usually 5.5 (narrow plug and narrow screw) or 6mm for easy fit (fatter plug and screw)
just because its a bosch tool, no need to buy bosch bit, u can use makita or hitachi or other brand bits janji its SDS Plus bit - for SDS Plus tool (common standard).

Bits about 20 bucks or cheaper if u can find them in a 5-bit pack.
https://shopee.com.my/Hikoki---Hitachi-5pcs...bRoCcG4QAvD_BwE

https://shopee.com.my/-100-ORIGINAL-MAKITA-...5758.6934793737


CHUCK ADAPTER
this is used for adapting the round shank bits to the SDS Plus tool. typically 10-15 bucks.
It is used if u wanna drill metal or wood with the rotary hammer, these materials are NOT repeat NOT using impact function so the bits always come in round shank.

the chuck adapter CANNOT be used in impact mode (impact-only means bangwall without turning, used for chiselling the wall / rotary hammer means turn and bang).
https://shopee.com.my/-100-ORIGINAL-MAKITA-...5758.6934793737

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Hi. So i've been browsing somemore and conclude that mine is probably concrete wall (apartment). Bosch tool around rm400 is out of my league, since i'm just going to use it a few times.

So if my budget is below rm200, can you suggest a shopee/lazada drill that is suitable for concrete wall? I found a few as below, but not sure if these brands (KTO, Bossman, etc is okay). Have only heard of Bosch and Black+Decker. Kindly advise if any of these is ok?

B+D: https://shopee.com.my/product/223308590/511...17-1607705810.9

Daewoo: https://shopee.com.my/product/18876707/1686...17-1607705844.9

KTO: https://shopee.com.my/product/170086754/681...17-1607705873.9

Bossman: https://shopee.com.my/product/77659802/1346...17-1607705905.9

Thanks
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QUOTE(hirano @ Dec 12 2020, 12:59 AM)
Hi. So i've been browsing somemore and conclude that mine is probably concrete wall (apartment). Bosch tool around rm400 is out of my league, since i'm just going to use it a few times.

So if my budget is below rm200, can you suggest a shopee/lazada drill that is suitable for concrete wall? I found a few as below, but not sure if these brands (KTO, Bossman, etc is okay). Have only heard of Bosch and Black+Decker. Kindly advise if any of these is ok?

B+D: https://shopee.com.my/product/223308590/511...17-1607705810.9

Daewoo: https://shopee.com.my/product/18876707/1686...17-1607705844.9

KTO: https://shopee.com.my/product/170086754/681...17-1607705873.9

Bossman: https://shopee.com.my/product/77659802/1346...17-1607705905.9

Thanks
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I will recommend the Daewoo. thumbup.gif Right product and will suit your purpose fine.

The 1st item - B+D is a toy gun, not a rotary hammer
Daewoo one will work fine.
Anything cheaper tend to overheat fast.

You can get the Daewoo tool only (no need extra bits). Bits you can just get a small set of Hitachi or Makita SDS+ bits (i think i posted some link before) which are affordable ~RM4 or 5 per piece or so, generally wood plug is 5.5 or 6mm hole (depends on the wood plug size whether is x8 narrow one or x10 medium one).
50mm x8 wood plug goes well with 2in #8 screws.
50mm x10 goes well with 2in #10 screws,

The mm is length of plug (matching length screws usually sold in imperial inches or fractions of inches eg 1 3/4)
The x10 and #10 refers to the fatness of the screw.

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