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abu.shofwan
post Sep 22 2020, 09:14 PM

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What brand heavy cream you use? And why use sweetened cream and not milk?

By chance, I tried to make vanilla ice cream last week. But instead of heavy cream, I used a non dairy creamer (powdered type). Long story short, I made ice hard sweet milk.

Ingredients used: powdered cream, full cream milk, sugar, vanilla... And a pinch of salt.
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post Sep 23 2020, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Sep 23 2020, 10:20 AM)
ts showing a food hack recipe for social media... this has bad mouth feel...like eating air, same as cheap local ice cream... nothing like haagen dazs, Ben and Jerry, or baskin robins... not at all how the western world makes ice cream

the gourmet custard method is still very simple... just uses cream, milk, egg yolk, sugar, vanilla... very foolproof... you can skip using salt in your recipe, it lowers the freezing point making it harder to set... best use an ice cream maker if available otherwise more work on your part wink.gif

the secret for smooth ice cream is stirring while it's setting to prevent ice crystals from forming...
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I got me a Cuisinart ICE100. This got auto stir auto freeze (compressor) type.

But still, like I said, failed to make good ice cream. What I ended up with was like normal frozen milk... Well, maybe just a tad more airy.

I followed the recipe provided in the manual for a simple vanilla ice cream, except the part for heavy cream, coz I couldn't find any being sold near me. So I tried to improvise by buying that powdered creamer (non dairy non gluten type, since my son cannot take gluten).

Tried 2x, both resulted in hardened milkshake...

I suspect either the creamer is not working, or/and I didn't put it under the mixer long enough to aerate the mixture. But right now I'm just too disheartened to try again... Though mainly becoz I got 3 liters of failed ice cream to finish.
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post Sep 24 2020, 06:53 AM

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Yeah, I dissolved the powder with luke warm water. After mixing on low speed, I added the milk.

I'm thinking to thaw that iced milk and maybe mix it on high, see if it can become more aerated.
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post Sep 24 2020, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Sep 24 2020, 11:49 AM)
I would thaw it and restart...but modify the recipe

you can do a sherbet, because this has more water content... or fix it back as an ice cream...  or try both since you have 3L....

some info... fresh milk is 3.5% fat/88% water, whipping cream 30-35% fat, heavy cream 35-40% fat, can assume remaining % as water for both, evaporated milk is concentrated milk with 60% water evaporated.

your mixture is almost all water...very minimal fat from milk, sherbet is mainly fruit juices with milk and cream... so here you can use fruit concentrates to make up the "juice" part and go from there

alternatively, you can add evaporated milk or milk powder to bring your mixture back so it not watered down milk, and use whipping or heavy cream and re-do. both cases you'll need to scale you sugar, etc.

it's probably easier to start the re-do with just adding cream and see how that goes... anyways good luck in your experiments... holler if you need help

edit: you can use whipping or heavy cream, don't have to worry about fat content in this case. I use mostly whipping cream, my standard recipe usually total 3 cups of liquid, 1 cup cream + 2 cup milk but depending on my mood sometimes I use 0.5 cup cream,  sometimes 1.5 cup max. I also prefer the custard method for ice creams because the egg yolks add flavors and thickens the mixture and so I can cut down on cream
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Thanks bro

Will definitely try something soon. My iced milk is now thawing...
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post Sep 25 2020, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Sep 24 2020, 11:49 AM)
I would thaw it and restart...but modify the recipe

you can do a sherbet, because this has more water content... or fix it back as an ice cream...  or try both since you have 3L....

some info... fresh milk is 3.5% fat/88% water, whipping cream 30-35% fat, heavy cream 35-40% fat, can assume remaining % as water for both, evaporated milk is concentrated milk with 60% water evaporated.

your mixture is almost all water...very minimal fat from milk, sherbet is mainly fruit juices with milk and cream... so here you can use fruit concentrates to make up the "juice" part and go from there

alternatively, you can add evaporated milk or milk powder to bring your mixture back so it not watered down milk, and use whipping or heavy cream and re-do. both cases you'll need to scale you sugar, etc.

it's probably easier to start the re-do with just adding cream and see how that goes... anyways good luck in your experiments... holler if you need help

edit: you can use whipping or heavy cream, don't have to worry about fat content in this case. I use mostly whipping cream, my standard recipe usually total 3 cups of liquid, 1 cup cream + 2 cup milk but depending on my mood sometimes I use 0.5 cup cream,  sometimes 1.5 cup max. I also prefer the custard method for ice creams because the egg yolks add flavors and thickens the mixture and so I can cut down on cream
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Thanks for the suggestion. Here to report the second try.

As suggested, I thawed out the mixture then added another 100g of powdered creamer to an approximately 1000ml of thawed out mixture. It was approximately 1300ml when in ice form, though. I remember I did share a couple of scoops with my kids, to test the taste (not the texture, coz this part was a failure) - so instead of 1.5L, I had about 1.3L.

Anyway, what I did was put it on my cooker to stir and thoroughly mix the powdered creamer. No, I didn't bring it to boil, since I'm using all ready to eat ingredients. I put it under the mixer (on medium) after letting it cool down. I saw the mixture get aerated with visible bubbles but as soon as I stopped, the bubbles started to disappear and the mixture started to look like thick milk again. But seing the bubbles, I was more hopeful that my machine can actually mix and aerate it better.

And to my delight, I managed to create something that more resembles ice cream in terms of texture. It is now soft, though not yet as firm as good ice cream you can buy from stores.

I actually added around 60ml of water, for fear that putting it on the cooker would evaporate some. But in hind sight, probably this prevented the texture to be firmer (more ice cream-like, if you will)

But anyway, I am much more pleased with how this trial turned out. My kids also felt it was more like ice cream.

Guess my machine works... I was really worried I'd wasted money on an expensive machine when it cannot produce anything closely resembling to ice cream.
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post Sep 26 2020, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Sep 26 2020, 09:41 AM)
alright...  thumbup.gif

non dairy creamer is made from vegetable or palm oil, and emulsfiers... all these for the creamy mouth feel... most of the cheap local ice cream uses this as well...

anyways good to hear you're starting to have some success...  keep up the experiments for your perfect ice cream.... wink.gif
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Thanks again.

Will indeed try to improve on this current "build"

I'm using this creamer becoz one of my children cannot take dairy nor gluten. Good thing got this kind.

 

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