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 Windows 10 Home is Illegal use in Business, Some hefty summons upon me

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post Jul 22 2020, 04:28 PM

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So i guess to avoid trouble its better to get Win10 Pro for business instead of Home, unless you want to fight with authority, then play the audio recording, not sure if its valid for Malaysia.

Even the MY CS dont know the answer...
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post Jul 22 2020, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Jul 22 2020, 03:40 PM)
Yes... that what they called yesterday, I forgot who they are as my heart hurt so much, pain and more problem.

I already call Microsoft Malaysia Office.

Small - Medium Business is fine to use Windows Home edition, as long not using AD, Domain, etc...
When company is growing up, need to upgrade to Windows 10 Pro (excluding cheap key sold on Lazada/Shopee/etc...)

Here call recording I made, my English conversation is pretty bad, I am sorry
1-800-22-0030 Conversation, Important parts.
1-800-22-0030 Original, No Cut.

I already paid the damage yesterday, if anyone want to avoid begin Audit & Summon, please upgrade to Pro to be safe.

They also check Microsoft Office, they skip checking Apple Laptop and Linux PC's
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Thanks for sharing, man. Funny that local office (microsoft) dont want to take any accountability on the usage.
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post Jul 22 2020, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Jul 22 2020, 03:40 PM)
Yes... that what they called yesterday, I forgot who they are as my heart hurt so much, pain and more problem.

I already call Microsoft Malaysia Office.

Small - Medium Business is fine to use Windows Home edition, as long not using AD, Domain, etc...
When company is growing up, need to upgrade to Windows 10 Pro (excluding cheap key sold on Lazada/Shopee/etc...)

Here call recording I made, my English conversation is pretty bad, I am sorry
1-800-22-0030 Conversation, Important parts.
1-800-22-0030 Original, No Cut.

I already paid the damage yesterday, if anyone want to avoid begin Audit & Summon, please upgrade to Pro to be safe.

They also check Microsoft Office, they skip checking Apple Laptop and Linux PC's
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If Microsoft Malaysia says it's okay and it's not against EULA to use home editions in certain business environment then you ask the officers to quote specifically which laws/regulations that makes it illegal for a clearer picture. A lot of time, they themselves wouldn't know exactly where it is or misinterpret it and yet just say it's "wrong" and then ask you to fork up the money. Do you have a copy of the summon? Normally it will list down the relevant sections in there.

I wouldn't be surprised if they target small businesses since such businesses normally wouldn't follow-up and wouldn't pursue the matter further with the authorities. For all you know they might even be an appeal process for this.

This post has been edited by btfan: Jul 23 2020, 12:09 AM
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QUOTE(CRaider2 @ Jul 22 2020, 02:14 AM)
Unless you can prove the computer is not used for commercial purpose the law on their side. I think the raid probably done by Business Software Alliance (BSA) with MS observer and KPDNKK. Unfortunately govt recently seem to be doing a lot of these operations to squeeze money when economy already bad.
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few years ago BSA did email and phone me few times, they are just a agent trying to scare and make money around i've already told them we did sent full report audited before and stop calling me.

QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Jul 22 2020, 12:51 PM)
I called Microsoft Malaysia at 03-2777 8888

CS seem doesn't know about Home Edition usage in Business and Commercial use.

CS asked me to call this number instead: +80064276738
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microsoft malaysia no longer here di, they will straight transfer you to another region CS then service end users.

and also, this will happen mostly are internal staff or anyone who hates you from outside go and report .

This post has been edited by deyamato: Jul 23 2020, 09:28 AM
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post Jul 23 2020, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(deyamato @ Jul 23 2020, 09:20 AM)
few years ago BSA did email and phone me few times, they are just a agent trying to scare and make money around i've already told them we did sent full report audited before and stop calling me.
microsoft malaysia no longer here di, they will straight transfer you to another region CS then service end users.
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For me, happen to raid directly, no call.

QUOTE(deyamato @ Jul 23 2020, 09:20 AM)
and also, this will happen mostly are internal staff or anyone who hates you from outside go and report .
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I feel more to our competitors doing, they thought I use pirated, I take precautions step, just happen Home is not for Business.

I thought is fine to use, as long Windows is Legit....

I bet anyone also think same: as long Windows is Legit, fine to use...

Most laptop sold in retail, Gaming Laptop, beautiful laptop using Home Edition.

Seller also don't know and didn't ask this for business or home.

Workstation Laptop expansive, Business laptop don't have strong GPU. Hard choice.

Malaysia still not have Tax Benefits for Software Subscription like any other countries sad.gif people will go cheap.

Things happen, no rant, just sad, instead 100K, to 10K, to 5K, this is fine, we can survive.

I wanted everyone know this new information I get, and don't make same mistake, stay strong keep economy going.
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post Jul 23 2020, 10:56 AM

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I just want to know how many staff in your company?
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post Jul 23 2020, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(gwping @ Jul 23 2020, 10:56 AM)
I just want to know how many staff in your company?
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4, including me and my partner
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post Jul 23 2020, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Jul 23 2020, 01:21 PM)
4, including me and my partner
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Wow, I dont think the authority go check 1 company by 1 company, is it spot check or someone report? hmm.gif
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post Jul 23 2020, 04:27 PM

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ouch.. .4ppl in company pon kena raid.. harap bersabar ya. br dpt GKP.. da kena summon

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post Jul 23 2020, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Jul 23 2020, 01:21 PM)
4, including me and my partner
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i think number of employees don't matter. The industry you are in matters. as you said IT field, makes it natural to spot check. Sometimes engineering firm (autocad), accounting (myob, sql) get checks too. It really depends on what industry you are in and the timing.
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post Jul 25 2020, 03:19 PM

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Got pic of the summon?
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post Jul 25 2020, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(afiq10 @ Jul 25 2020, 03:19 PM)
Got pic of the summon?
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receipt of summon got, but I not going to share, later kena again
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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Jul 25 2020, 03:34 PM)
receipt of summon got, but I not going to share, later kena again
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just blur out sensitive info of the summon... copyright infringement law (not pirated software) still very blurry in Malaysia..
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post Jul 25 2020, 08:20 PM

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post Jul 26 2020, 04:09 PM

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I got contacted another company that same same issue like me.

Different is he have 30++ employee and computer,
all Desktop and Laptop bought at Lowyat, and pay using company funding.
Last year got a visit from Microsoft and Government, as usual, Windows 10 Home in company, plus he using WPS Office.

Guess what?

His company got fined 100K, and WPS Office is illegal, then...

they offer 50K summon if he bought Windows 10 Pro and Subscribe Office 365, ditch WPS Office

Microsoft not bothered MacBook Air, not even looking inside.

After summon 50K, he also got summon from LHDN because of using pirated software to make money... what?

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This got my attention, if want avoid Microsoft summon, use Apple Macintosh, or Ubuntu Linux + WINE + VM whistling.gif

sad.gif I should do this...

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post Jul 26 2020, 04:13 PM

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i remember windows home is legit, only office for home and student is not legit.
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post Jul 26 2020, 04:14 PM

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The window 10 home that preinstalled on pc/notebook also cant?
Cos half of my office is preinstalled window, only some notebook without window use subcription pro/enterprise window.
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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Jul 26 2020, 04:09 PM)
I got contacted another company that same same issue like me.

Different is he have 30++ employee and computer,
all Desktop and Laptop bought at Lowyat, and pay using company funding.
Last year got a visit from Microsoft and Government, as usual, Windows 10 Home in company, plus he using WPS Office.

Guess what?

His company got fined 100K, and WPS Office is illegal, then...

they offer 50K summon if he bought Windows 10 Pro and Subscribe Office 365, ditch WPS Office

Microsoft not bothered MacBook Air, not even looking inside.

After summon 50K, he also got summon from LHDN because of using pirated software to make money... what?

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This got my attention, if want avoid Microsoft summon, use Apple Macintosh, or Ubuntu Linux + WINE + VM whistling.gif

sad.gif I should do this...
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someone inside your company must have reported your company, anyone was retrenched or sack lately?
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QUOTE(anakkk @ Jul 26 2020, 04:13 PM)
i remember windows home is legit, only office for home and student is not legit.
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Microsoft Office Home & Student dont have Outlook, plus I dont use.

QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Jul 26 2020, 04:14 PM)
The window 10 home that preinstalled on pc/notebook also cant?
Cos half of my office is preinstalled window, only some notebook without window use subcription pro/enterprise window.
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That's the problem, no shop or seller dare to tell, everyone dont know.
No one use Pro feature like SMB, AD, etc...

Microsoft say it's fine to use Home, but Malaysia say no, then... Microsoft Agree 100% to suck more money.

QUOTE(anakkk @ Jul 26 2020, 04:14 PM)
someone inside your company must have reported your company, anyone was retrenched or sack lately?
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my company was small, no one acting weird, I sure this external people, customer or... my competitor
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post Jul 26 2020, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(mydurian @ Jul 21 2020, 11:47 PM)
Microsoft don't ambush directly. They only take action if someone reported to them. smile.gif Anyone resigned unhappily / fired recently?
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might be business rival cool2.gif

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