http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/wrath/

Pretty neat. Another grind fest to lvl 80? Hope it wont be out too soon lol.

The spell inscriptions sound pretty cool. For example Fireballs can have the ability to knock your target backwards



This post has been edited by khelben: Aug 4 2007, 04:32 AM

oh my god, official?
yup, official.

ARTHAS DIES LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!111111111oneoneoneone
Nihilum becomes the strongest combined force in the world.

is this the end of the warcraft storyline?

This post has been edited by Sichiri: Aug 4 2007, 08:24 AM

zomg death knight !!!!!!1

OMFG!!
i was shocked to see this...duh...
& staring for 1min at ExpII webpage b4 watch the trailer...
man... 80... awww... grind again...
feels like gonna play all over at Northrend...

DK fails in pvp cuz nothing to pact and animate dead...


LOL!!

My prediction is that DK will only be usable in PvE environments. Normal 5-man dungeons or bigger raids.

most likely it'll be usable in pvp too.

Wtf, i still havent go to mag, ssc, bt and stuff, yet they already want to release another expansion. So when you get to 80, most of the raid dungeon and the normal 5 man dungeon will be like the ubrs and DM now....the heck blizz....bliz is sweating now..scare warhammer

well the WoW is moving forward once again... very far forward beyond casual's wish

damn shyt, not yet started wow but now got new expansion again ? 3 games to buy ...

well... there are some weird new addition here... Tuskarr, some walking walrus which somehow bond an alliance with horde...

i can foresee a Tuskarr for horde and Pandaren for alliance as playable race... maybe?

scared of warhammer? lol...

what they want to do... is ANNIHILATE warhammer. it is expected to be released the same time as warhammer does, guess who will win.

I heard Dk got lazerzz... beware orkz of Warhammer

Blizzcon Panel. All your answers about WotLK

bet nihilum pwns arthas ass first.

!!!111!!111

It seems that you are able to talk to with Arthas at a certain points of the game. (according to the panel)
Unlike Illidan, who only yells and shouts in Shadowmoon Valley during quests events.

The designers even said that DK DOES NOT REQUIRE SHIELD TO TANK.
WTF is this. This is blasphemy, this is madness...

wah serious ... new expansion gonna be two thumb up ... got three thumb comfirm up three also

hmm... just my speculations.

Death Knights will be a unlockable new class which starts from high level.

-Starting zone might be northrend, at the Frozen throne
-Arthas as your Leader NPC.
-A Death Knight city in the frozen throne.

in this case, Arthas will be just a killable NPC like Thrall or King Magni, which doesn't not affect the actual storyline.
Actual fight is really a big PVP battle between Death Knights and the alliance/horde.

Wow, looks like blizzard is really milking the wow franchise. One hero charcter for every expansion pack? There are like sooo many heroes.

They can just probably screw up with starcraft 2 and still live with it when they are sooo damn freaking filthy rich.

so excited but I am thinking the raid zone to kill arthas won't be immediately available...

My guess is Arthas dies. Lich King's spirit finds a new host.

Next xpac, Malfurion got corrupted when fighting "nightmares" in emerald dream. /gasp

Then Illidan comes to Tyrande's aid and she suddenly realises that it has been ILLIDAN all along that is in her heart.

YAY!!!

noob, tyrande can look for illidan in hell.

hint if you still cant get it: nihilum.

Illidan is SSed
He will be united with Tyrande!!!

She likes bad boy little brother types ...

No la, I just feel that it is Illidan who has been betrayed again and again. In the end he just kept quiet and accepted what his twin told him to do. Despite endangering himself, he always shows up and saves tyrande whereas malfurion always just sleep sleep and play around in the emerald's dream leaving tyrande alone. CHEH!

This is blasphemy

no, she married malfurion, bad boy loses

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Added on August 6, 2007, 12:37 pmno, illidan was never betrayed with the exception from akama, his underling draenai. he was never under the command of his brother as well, always being the renegade he is.

it is true that illidan is always in love with tyrande, but his lust for power and his usage of magic that is deemed as a taboo by the night elf society since the sundering of the world tree, not to forget his current demon form since he consumed the skull of gul'dan, just made it impossible for tyrande to return the love.

as for malfurion and the emerald dream, he had no choice in it. you can blame the green aspect (the green dragon ysondre? not 100% certain on the name)

=edit=
didnt play war3/war3X: TFT or read the novels? L2LORE

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Aug 6 2007, 01:36 PM

True, illidan was never under the command of malfurion, but he wanted to prove himself worthy in malfurion's eyes. That was why he hunted down the Legion (when he was released by tyrande, what a manipulative thing) and killed tichondrius, no? He consumed the skull believing that it would increase his power, which in turn would increase his worth to his twin brother (in his point of view anyway). But when malfurion and tyrande arrived and discovered that the demon is illidan, malfurion banished him from the NE's lands. Even after ALL Illidan's efforts! His own twin!!

I think you meant ysera, Aspect of Dream?

Apatu TFT? L2LORE? I didnt finish playing Warcraft 3 but I've followed the story when my boyfriend played it. I'm also currently reading Book 2 in the War of the Ancients.

he was banished before (just like the high elves that we now know as blood elves) because of his use of magic, where it is forbidden, his brother forgave him during war3 because well, he is his brother, but he made him regreat in doing so cuz he end up being a demon. and he didnt really sought power to increase his worth to his twin brother or for tyrande, its mostly for his own power hungry self.

and yea its ysera, the green aspect

tft = the frozen throne, where the lore continues. im currently reading book 3, at a VERY VERY slow pace

Yes illidan was imprisoned for 10k years when malfurion discovered that he made the new well of eternity. Then tyrande released him, after 10k years and illidan was out and hunted down the legion to prove his worth to his brother. Yes he hungers for power but you cannot deny that part of what drives that is his love for tyrande. Perhaps in his own twisted way, he feels that tyrande would love him if he gained more power. If you recalled how happy he was when he was a young NE and got recruited into the black rook hold by lord ravencrest. It was then that he actively wanted to confess his feelings for tyrande, not when they were all under the teaching of cenarius and he hasn't yet found his "calling".

wei i dont have book 3. Can pinjam?? pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!

that was then, since his imprisonment hes pretty much driven mad, i mean, 10k years of no porn and sex, come on... i would prolly bite my tongue off and bleed to death instead of living on.

since then the only thing that really kept him going was really the lust for power, even though deep down he still want to impress tyrande/malfurion, but then again he blew it with his demon form, gg to him.

and.... no cannot pinjam LOL!
but... willing to negotiate

Night elves at 10 000 years ago practice magic daily and it isnt forbidden. Even their queen Azshara and her highborne are strong magic users. Malfurion never hated his brother but as someone who has high position in the NE elves society he has to do what he has to when they found out about Illidan's betrayal thus he is know as the betrayer. The others wanted to kill Illidan but he persuaded them to imprison him and spare his life.

Illidan sought power because he was jealous in Malfurion. Illidan practice magic while Malfurion practice druidism taught by Cenarius. He didnt expect druidism to be better than magic when he took the path of magic and decline druidism and so he sought power from the Burning Legion and also to win Tyrande's heart as he thought Tyrande thinks that Malfurion is stronger than Illidan. Soon after he gain the eyes from Sargeras he betrayed the Burning Legion and helped Malfurion to defeat them. That is why he is blind as in order to receive the gift from Sargeras he has to have his eyes burnt to be replaced.

L2LORE before you speak

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, READ THE DAMN NOVEL AND THE WAR3 COLLECTOR'S EDITION MANUAL BEFORE YOU SPEAK OF THIS BLASPHEMY

yes, night elf once practiced magic but it is that very magic that drew the first burning legion invasion. illidan did not betray his people, he actually helped in the defend till its very end.

illidan never betrayed his people, it is only because he continue to practice magic and created another well of eternity after the first was destroyed where during that time magic was forbiden. it was after the time where the first legion invasion was defeated. knowingly that it is the very well that the legion manipulated to enter this world, it was only natural that illidan would be punished for such crime, imprisonment for eternity, until the day tyrande freed him.

he was also never in league with the legion until the part where he consumed the skull of gul'dan and went missing. since then kil'jaedan discovered him and binded illidan to the legion, illidan, being no match against the legion's highly ranked commander (sargeras right or left hand man lolz, the other being archimonde that got lolpwned by wisps kek) had no choice but to obey. of course, as the renegade as he is, he had his own plans, which you can see on war3x TFT, and eventually WoW TBC, where he resides in his fortress - the black temple.

now, enough lore, YOU, L2LORE.

Illidan was termed "the betrayer" because after tyrande turned him down, xavius influenced and corrupted his mind. He then left the NE army and swore allegiance to sargeras, which in turn burned his eyes and granted him more arcane powers. BUT IN THE END, he aided malfurion to close the portal before sargeras could enter azeroth.

Illidan was misunderstood big time. He created the 2nd well of eternity because the thought that the legion would invade azeroth again and since the original well was destroyed, this 2nd well would be the NE's only hope for survival. However when the NEs discovered this, they were horrified and wanted to kill illidan. Malfurion managed to convince them to imprison him instead.

Sigh..poor poor illidan!!!!

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Added on August 6, 2007, 5:15 pmAnd IMO it was the NEs who betrayed illidan. So kesian man, thought become hero manatau kena tembak!!!!!!!!!

This post has been edited by seen: Aug 6 2007, 05:15 PM

because there are no happy endings in blizzard's world of lore. take note of that and you'll never have high hopes in shits just to be disappointed.

I've read all the Warcraft novels except for Rise of the Horde which just released in Malaysia recently i think. You mentioned magic is forbidden but it isnt so there....

He betrayed his people by swearing allegiance to Sargeras after Xavius corrupted him. Magic was only forbidden after the portal was closed which is where Brox the orc sacrificed himself to buy time for Malfurion and Illidan to close the Burning Legion portal. Magic isnt forbidden before the invasion of Burning Legion. Even the night elves used magic to fight the legion. Illidan is the most capable magic user among the night elves and he wielded superior magic after Rhonin became his tutor sort of.

If he wasnt in league with the ligion till he consumed the skull of Guldan then explain why he is blindfolded? Look at War of the Ancients book 3. Illidan face is printed in the front page and he is blindfolded. He didnt want to obey Sargeras but in order to defeat the legion he swore allegiance to Sargeras because he believe magic is the way to win the war therefore he had to pretend serve Sargeras and learn their dark arts of magic. Illidan once mentioned how magnificient and strong the dreadlords are to be capable to wield magic to raise an undead army and he too wanted that power.

If you still dont believe he used to help the legion then explain why did he bring the Demon Disk from Neltharion or known as Blackwing in WoW to Sargeras? He wanted his trust so he had to betray his brother and Rhonin in order to get the disk and present it to Sargeras.

Seen has explained it earlier than me

now, enough lore, YOU, L2LORE.

I just hate the way Blizzard gave most major Horde characters bad endings.
Stop killing the Horde. Need more tragedy for Alliance in WotLK.

Arthas is the biggest tragedy in Alliance Killed his own father and his mentor, Uther

Umm.... NE = Appliance no? But not during the ancient war times la, that time no horde no appliance. Or are you talking about dear old brox?

I dont care man, I still hope that one day illidan will find justice! He has been betrayed again and again by his people and his intention was always good! Tell me, WHO wouldnt turn to the dark side if you got betrayed so many times?

@Chcgamer & Quazacolt: Illidan "FEIGNED" allegiance with Azhara and Mannaroth (which eventually brought him to sargeras where he was blinded) to obtain the dragon soul created by deathwing to close the portal. So....physically he did turn to the legion but his ultimate plan was to close the portal. So....is this allegiance with the legion? Or not?

That wasnt his actual plan i think. It was Brox and Malfurion who helped Illidan closed to portal as well as the aspects leader themselves. Illidan wanted to close it himself but i doubt it will be successful

So actually he got lucky when his brother and gang arrived to save the day. He even endangered Tyrande in his plan so i think he has allegiance with the legion. He brought the disk to Sargeras which is a big help to Sargeras but if he didnt then the disk will end up in Alexstrasza and Ysera and with that they will be able to restore their power and win the legion after dealing with Blackwing

self quote:



quote from seen:

as a reader you would know that he never really swore allegiance with the legion and he helped malfurion in the end.

perhaps i didnt clarify this, YOU yourself know magic was eventually banned after the defeat of the legion, and its a fact that he continued to practice it and even created a new well of eternity. YOU yourself also know he merely pretended to serve the legion for his own very gains.

ill take back on my L2LORE, but boy you sure as hell need to L2COMPREHENSION

I still think illidan is good. At least his intentions are!
Out of the bad guys I dont like neltharion tho, stupid deathwing go and die la!! Tapi he's the one who created the disc la.....

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Added on August 6, 2007, 5:50 pmLOL Quazacolt you're still your old self, not gaining points in the popularity department eh?

This post has been edited by seen: Aug 6 2007, 05:50 PM

alliance have their fair share.

lordaeron and quelthalas had a very cruel fate, sylvannas and her people suffered as well during the siege of silvermoon.

gnomeregan is basically overuned

night elves are always busy with their catastrophic emeral dream and legion crap, and well they did *kinda* brought in the burning legion in the first place

draenais got lol ship stolen by blood elves (lol lore)

dwarves are... well their race is pretty much torn up here and there (lol dark iron and ragnaros)

The patch is available now????

he is a magnificant man, i want to grow up to be like him someday.

oh btw, iirc, he pissed in his father's urn that stored the ashes of his father's remains (thats what uther said!)
brilliant i tell you

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Added on August 6, 2007, 5:52 pmillidan is dead, end of story. there is no justice ahead of his corpse.

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Added on August 6, 2007, 5:55 pmif he didnt do it then he wouldnt have his magical eyes and stronger magic powers, we all know illidan is always lusting for power, being good or not is another story. in this case, while his intention is good, he still had his quest for power come first, which is to gain trust from sargeras to grant him his wishes

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Aug 6 2007, 05:55 PM

Lol sorry i misread what you meant. I had to read the 2nd time to get it. Still he wasnt banished for his magic use but was imprison for the well he created. He pretended but then he risked other people lives in order to gain Sargeras trust. If you were to say like this, then he didnt serve legion and didnt help the elves as he was only trying to gain power for himself. He did not care about the lives of his subordinates when he drew magic from them

Sorry again for replying without understand fully what you meant but i get annoyed when i see Malaysian trying to act as a foreigner and do all the leet talk. You know how annoying those leet talk are ingame

deathwing gave us BWL, so yeah he should die, cuz bwl as a rogue sucks ass.

and yeah, not gonna pass up the chance for higher heights of trolling, wow section on LYN has been dull and quiet this pass few weeks, almost thinkin of abandoning it but i guess theres still reason to stay
especially during work

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Added on August 6, 2007, 5:57 pmsomewhere next year, around or during the release of warhammer online. blizz's ultimate plan of global domination, first MMO's, THEN THE WORLD!!!

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Added on August 6, 2007, 6:00 pmY0|_| /\/\34/\/ 1337 |_13|< 7|-|15? Y34|> 7|-|15 15 1337 5|>34|< |>|-|34|2!!

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Aug 6 2007, 06:00 PM

ILLIDAN IS SSed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Obviously he was not prepared.

explain the 25man searching his carcass for lewts then

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Added on August 6, 2007, 11:59 pmi was SOOO waiting for that, well done indeed

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Aug 6 2007, 11:59 PM

Although Illidan's physical manifestation has been presumed dead, his soul was still stored inside. As the 25 entities happily took away his epic possessions, he was already plotting a dark plan of vengeance. Yada yada yada, Illidan popped. YAY!!

warlocks have drain soul spell, prolly ended up in a shard and later on being a health stone and eaten.

no. he is dead. give up

Between reading the Lore on the WoW website and reading the fiction books, surprisingly the Lore is better. The books are very dry lah compared to other Fantasy writers.

i wonder if maeiv is still around hunting for illidan .. =D

Illidan and Maiev went to Northrend meh? Other than the fact that the Burning Legion is still the same influence but the storyline is different?

And seen, you really do like Illidan a lot to promote him? LOL! I'm just thinking that his "goodness" was always centered on how he can show his magical prowess at the expense of others. Doesn't sound too good to me and when he demonstrated that he couldn't be trusted, even in the eyes of Lord Ravencrest (later on in the book), the way he thought about it seems like an insane serial killer where they themselves don't show any remorse when deaths happen.

His love for Tyrande was very bizzare. Although looking at Malfurion, I didn't think much of him either from the books and lore. I've not played WC3 so can't comment much from that aspect. Seems a bit low on his self-esteem even though he did take risky gambles. Humble? Yeah. The politician? He's not. The leader? The reluctant leader, methinks. Capable? He had hunches but the way he's portrayed in the book is jumping between a person who is insecure to a person who took charge, just went too fast with not a good transition of how it took place.

But between the 3 of them, it looks like Tyrande is the strong one with steel underneath that gentle outlook. Yes, she is compassionate to her fellow elves and even to Illidan. That's probably why she is gentle is Illidan even if she never did tell Illidan what she really thought of him.

Although, it's like a dog eat dog world. Malfurion using Illidan and vice versa. Even Tyrande using Illidan as an escort/guard at times throughout the 3 books.

I didn't think much of the War of the Ancients Trilogy. I prefer the [URL=Warcraft Archives]http://www.amazon.com/WarCraft-Archive-Warcraft-Blizzard-Entertainment/dp/1416525823/ref=sr_1_17/103-8255194-5551017?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1186460809&sr=1-17[/URL]. Haven't read the Sunwell Trilogy yet.

i got crit by wall of text... -.-
illidan lives...he's just faking his death just like when he did before when battling arthas..hehehee..

nwy, cant wait for the new expansion...
but Death Knight sounds imba atm... >.<

bleh, need to reach BT n Hyjal before expansion... T_T

go get a definition on what is lore from dictionary.com first

/headinhands

the book is written by a very good writer, its pretty decent. just that we're more attuned to blizz's versions more than outside novels. but if you didnt know, richard and christ metzen worked together for the novel. so it has to be good. anything under the blizz name are strictly QC'ed. (which is why previously their partnership with some toy maker failed cuz the figurines they produced suck)

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Added on August 7, 2007, 2:45 pmshe is in shadowmoon valley in outlands, imprisoned by illidan, go look for her.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Aug 7 2007, 02:45 PM

pwnt......./palmonhead

illidan went to northrend, maieve AFAIK didnt. illidan got wtfpwned by arthas, in a very shitty in game cinematic that was supposed to be a high quality blizz cinematic but never made it due to time constraints.

in game, tyrande is a POTM (priestess of the moon) and malf a clothy druid. in the war3 game, ONLY female night elves are the warriors while the males are all druids (kinda like amazon society, females wearing the pants) they lolloretwisted it for WoW so there you go

For the price of the book and compared to other Fantasy writers out there, it could have been better. Yes it was quality stuff but seems like easy read. OK ok, I know I shouldn't compare it to LoTR but so much Warcraft Lore already out there at the time of publication, you'd think that Richard Knaak and Chris Metzen would put more info into the book? Doesn't have to be as detailed as LoTR but midway between an easy-to-read book to LoTR details?

Unless Blizz intends to do like the Forgotten Realms series : more and more books until sian reading it. New stories, new characters, new timelines and new stuff added into it all the time. Very headache.

Anyway, posts is suppose to be WotLK? Although I blame the earlier posters for the distraction >.<

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Added on August 7, 2007, 4:32 pmhmm...and u went back to check on some lore first before your 2nd post? :hehe

This post has been edited by myremi: Aug 7 2007, 04:33 PM

Too bad they didn't have any novels about Arthas. I hope there is at least one before the 2nd expansion.

This post has been edited by soitsuagain: Aug 7 2007, 09:14 PM

My friend told me there was a novel which talks about the Paladin order but then he cant buy it cause they only willing to sell to him in a Package which contains 3 other books(Last Guardian, Cycle of Hatred and Day of the Dragon) which he already own. No point paying so much just for that book

So maybe that book about the Paladin order has some story to do with Arthas and his betrayal

it's on Tiron Fording. And why he was exiled.

This post has been edited by myremi: Aug 8 2007, 01:08 AM

i reply posts post by post, you can see it in my quotes if you fail to notice

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Added on August 8, 2007, 9:26 amtirion fordring

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Aug 8 2007, 09:26 AM

ooOOH Tiron fording, that long ass quest at the PLs. Long ass quest but very interesting. I made sure every of my char who reaches 50+ finish that quest line.

Is the new Dark Knight class will kill rogue classes?

and may i ask how on earth you get the idea that it will specifically kill the rogue classes?

Lol sure the DARK KNIGHT might PWN the Rogue class....but its not coming out anytime soon the only knight i know that will be coming soon is DEATH KNIGHT lol

Hmm... DK is the tanking warlock but only a rogue can change into a DK?

rogues will still be needed lah. look at it this way. rogues weren't invited in alot of 5-man runs when BC came out because healers couldn't handle healing them so much but in raids, they're still needed. part of it is gear upgrades and another is skill, whether it be rogues or healers. their interrupts are still a valuable asset in a raid.

besides, Blizz did say that at this moment, Death Knight is open to all classes provided that they clear a lvl80 questline. And you can bet it wouldn't be that easy to do.

rogues may be depressing on high end 5v5 arenas, but 1v1 duels they still hold their grounds with the exception of post 400 resil warriors/SL warlocks

=edit=
and wow just noticed the dark knight BS lol.. yea dark knights may as well pwn rogues lmao

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Aug 8 2007, 04:13 PM

The only names i can think of when people get to roll DK.
LOLKNIGHT, LΪCHKΪNG,LOCKADIN, DARKNIGHT, ARTHUS...Insert random noob name here.
Im not looking foward to DK actually.

Im looking foward to the talent changes of enhancement tree for Shamans.
It seems that 2h weapon is trainable regardless of spec.
30% of AP goes to +spell dmg looks sweet too.

With raid buff, a shaman can reach at least 2k AP, thats like 600 spell dmg which adds around 200dmg to your shocks.
Besides that, it maybe viable to throw in fire totem since it will shoot for 150dmg in 600+ spell dmg.
60% reduction on shocks after melee crits looks freaking sweet too.
Besides that, flametongue on fast offhand seems viable too with the new +spell dmg talent. We wont be relying on slow MH/OH windfury proc for high DPS.
Flametongue deals around 140 dmg per hit on a 1.8speed OH weapon when you have 600 spell dmg. This damage will be more constant and it wont eat WF proc off from MH.

based on current info:
everyone can be a DK, just need to fullfill requirements (complete epic quests or w/e grinds) and you can unlock the class, then you need to recreate a death knight class, and he will start at lvl55-70 (undetermined yet)

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Added on August 8, 2007, 4:25 pmbased on current info, im not looking into DK as well.

1) my HWL title
2) my character name
3) my character bank (i still keep my set gears from pre bc )
4) my various fun items in inventory/bank (6 mounts and like 7 pets lol)
5) professions

but yea. URSORIGHT XSHADOWSLAYERX OR DOOMKNIGHT LOLOLOLOLOL

and enh = mega buff lol
so much they may as well steamroll rogues now... wtf -% dmg reduction lawlawlalwlawlaw

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Aug 8 2007, 04:25 PM

Lol, u guys still have vanish, evasion n lolskillcloak
My main concern is still threat reduction

BTW, have u see the 2 weapons from Zulaman?
It seems like the dagger is on par with SSC Lady Vashj dagger. LOL WUT?!

so?

look at top arena statistics. hunters and rogues are at a depressing level.

the dominant class is still warrior/paladin/priest/warlock in order in the 5v5 brackets dominating the rest especially rogue/hunters BY FAR

rogues are fine on threat reduction/innate threat abilities, but the fact that a warrior in plate, that does more consistant dmg, performance, and more mobilty than a rogue and he is wearing plate while rogue in leather, something isnt right. then when you coupled the fact that heal botting warriors (obviously they are taking dmg) is so much more beneficial than heal botting a rogue due tot he rage system, that and warriors are easier to heal with plate/defensive stance (who says you cant switch to d stance and pop on a shield + spell reflect in pvp?) and a much larger hp pool than a rogue.

hunters are on par on rogues if not even worse when it comes to high end pvp/5v5 arenas. they take so much dmg but the dmg they do to others is piss poor at best. coupled in the fast paced movements, LOS and range checks, and deadzones, once hunter falls into any of the above listed, hes useless. the only redemption is beast spec, for 15 seconds you become "not useless". then once beastial iwinbutton fades, ur worse than marksman/survival hunters, its almost as if their just waiting to die.

the daggers dont concern me, i got dual merciless gladiator shankers, which is better than vashj's dagger, and not to mention its pvp tailored with loads of stam/resil.

Oh no!! Already have headaches from XXXlegolasXXX, leggylass (although this one is ingenius), lugulos, legoless etc etc....now what, Arthus, Urthas, XarthasX zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

lol XXXinsertrandomnoobnameXXX is always the best choice. even in ryl2, alot of XXX nick. L M A O !

mob turtlebeach win the blizcon tournament undefeated 12-0,
thats explain hunter class on high end 5v5 arenas,
i guess,

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Penghulu of Jubei'Thos

In Lineage 2 also!


12-0! O.o

look on the global ladders, or hell, just US ladders alone will do

out of the top lists, theres over 40 warrior and a 2nd close pallies, then follow up by 30ish warlock/priests

rogues and hunters... theres only 2? hunters and 1 or was it 2 rogues.

THAT explains more.

mob turtlebeach win the blizcon tournament undefeated 12-0 with hunter in their matrix,

am only guessing cause i dont play hi level 5v5 arena,

but isnt it blizcon consist of top ladder from each battleground compete in region eu, us, korea before compete each other for world title?

i got no motive, just didnt agree that hunter class are that worse in hi level arena at the moment while they are actually in the world no1. team now.

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Penghulu of Jubei'Thos

This post has been edited by alamort: Aug 9 2007, 11:32 AM

not really, you need to be the top 1%? to be able to qualify for the qualifying rounds, and during there you will have a match up and later on get invited to blizzcon IIRC.

and the current blizzcon tourney have way too many warriors, the hunter can simply ice trap and unless BOF is up, they will be rendered useless. if you wanna continue to argue, ill just point this simple point to you:

you see any rogues in the blizzcon tourney? nitrana from teampandemic is on the bench, if you count him in.

and the blizzcon tourney isnt as top tier when you factor in wsvg and cgs.

bottom line: ONE special ass hunter is enough to justify them not being piss poor in high end arenas? vs the amasses of warrior/paladin/warlock/priests being in the top tier ladders and is the most used class in hell, blizzcon tourney, now that we're on that topic.

and bear in mind, im not a hunter, and im in no way siding with hunters, simpathy to them, perhaps. only merely stating facts and whats going on.

ps: you still couldnt point out rogues not being the lowest if not on par with hunters in the high end pvp, and i started this with rogues in mind, not hunters mind you.

I have a hunter too. I feel your pain too.
Stoopid pillars and LOS issues. Im surv spec and have like 1965AP n 30% crit but it do crappy dmg against those pally/war stacking resilence like mad.
I still can kill clothies fairly easy though.

The world no1 team hunter received ZERO dmg on the match. Yes, ZERO dmg.
I saw the screenshot in the Elitistjerks.com forums.
The opposite team just ignored their hunter and aimed for their healer.
Its stupid enough to ignore a hunter. They make a huge difference if they were left alone.
Slow on melees, drain n pet interrupting healers.

This post has been edited by Goblinsk8er: Aug 9 2007, 12:23 PM

self quote:
hunters are on par on rogues if not even worse when it comes to high end pvp/5v5 arenas. they take so much dmg but the dmg they do to others is piss poor at best. coupled in the fast paced movements, LOS and range checks, and deadzones, once hunter falls into any of the above listed, hes useless. the only redemption is beast spec, for 15 seconds you become "not useless". then once beastial iwinbutton fades, ur worse than marksman/survival hunters, its almost as if their just waiting to die.

zero dmg? gg for ignoring the hunter. they are one of the most easiest class to kill/rape in arenas (despite mail) and once ur on their face, they can HARDLY dps anymore. they got a choice, stand still and shoot a target within their range outside of deadzone, but this means bending over for surprise buttsecks, or attempt to start running away which means almost zero dps, and you still gonna die because ur not gonna move far thanks to snares, just that you survive longer, and/or buy time for ur teammate to rescue you.

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oh yea, ur ap/crit means NOTHING if ur under 300 resil

unless you take pride in owning scrubs with sub 200 resils lol...

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Aug 9 2007, 12:52 PM

how did end up talking about arenas rather than WotLK?

its LYN

why not? the different between the matrix in final games is priest vs hunter, and the hunter team win. and beat the so called masses of war/priest/pally/lock team on their journey to final.

im not a hunter either, and i sympathy rogue more...at least hunter community can enjoice they have their representative on no1 world team now while rogue are still searching theirs (while trying to bring the other class down to their level lol, sometimes lower ) .

sorry didnt know that pandemic rogue are on bench during the tourney, (?) i shoulda read more. ()

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Added on August 9, 2007, 2:45 pmhehe sorry
peace

This post has been edited by alamort: Aug 9 2007, 02:45 PM

look at their team:
http://www.blizzard.com/blizzcon07/bracket-wow.shtml

warrior + paladin + x healer and x = shaman

bloodlust + windfury + blessing of freedom on a warrior.

then add in their hunter was left alone.

come on, just because ONE hunter was on the blizzcon tourney, it makes their class ok? seriously. its just like saying warlocks are not OP'ed because one warlock just happened to get ganked and wtfpwned while the others are reigning supreme in the pvp world.

as for the hunter community rejoicing... lol thats a REALLY good one.

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http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/characte...gath&n=Lucilius

5v5 and 2v2 only played a small %, and of all the games played in those arena brackets, win ratio low.

3v3 he played all of them, good win ratio, but arena rating 17xx... gg?

i think this says more about the hunter class than anything.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Aug 10 2007, 01:53 PM

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