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SUSLord Randall Voldemort
post Jun 30 2020, 07:18 PM

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Use Xiaomi smart light. Can use phone to control the lights too. Even Philips also got
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post Jun 30 2020, 07:48 PM

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4300k is the legal limit
anything over is basically betting, if u kena saman..u argue also useless
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post Jun 30 2020, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(fantasy1989 @ Jun 30 2020, 04:35 PM)
it look like darker soul red at night . bright red under sunlight ..but certain camera when snap will turned to orangish red  smile.gif

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looks good the paint.. when you mentioned engine transplant, can't the current rotary engine be fixed? apex seal rosak? or you dropped in 1jz hehe..

paging balanced.. probably can do some drag session lol..
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post Jun 30 2020, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(Zack Styler @ Jun 30 2020, 08:40 PM)
looks good the paint.. when you mentioned engine transplant, can't the current rotary engine be fixed? apex seal rosak? or you dropped in 1jz hehe..

paging balanced.. probably can do some drag session lol..
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haha..no la ..my car is show car ..not for aggressive vroom biggrin.gif

still 13b-msp brows.gif err..ori engine from previous owner having low compression ..rebuild is expensive ..in the end managed to source 1 good engine that pass compression test ..ship and transplant is cheaper biggrin.gif

if this engine rosak again ..will go for bridgeported smile.gif

but this is not a fast car ..unless u drag your rpm all the way up... starting can feel the kick ..but now cant satisfied liao biggrin.gif

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post Jun 30 2020, 08:52 PM

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QUOTE(fantasy1989 @ Jun 30 2020, 08:43 PM)
haha..no la ..my car is show car ..not for aggressive vroom  biggrin.gif

still 13b-msp  brows.gif  err..ori engine from previous owner having low compression ..rebuild is expensive ..in the end managed to source 1 good engine that pass compression test ..ship and transplant is cheaper  biggrin.gif

if this engine rosak again ..will go for bridgeported  smile.gif

but this is not a fast car ..unless u drag your rpm all the way up... starting can feel the kick ..but now cant satisfied liao  biggrin.gif
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good to hear that.. enjoy then..

will give you a beep if i bumped into you in my rusty kelisa lol..
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post Jun 30 2020, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(Zack Styler @ Jun 30 2020, 08:40 PM)
looks good the paint.. when you mentioned engine transplant, can't the current rotary engine be fixed? apex seal rosak? or you dropped in 1jz hehe..

paging balanced.. probably can do some drag session lol..
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Wah his car so nice wor. Usually nice cars won't kacau me so I no kacau them. Only when they kacau me I go "challenge accepted"
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post Jun 30 2020, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(Zack Styler @ Jun 30 2020, 08:52 PM)
good to hear that.. enjoy then..

will give you a beep if i bumped into you in my rusty kelisa lol..
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sure bro biggrin.gif

QUOTE(Balanced @ Jun 30 2020, 08:56 PM)
Wah his car so nice wor. Usually nice cars won't kacau me so I no kacau them. Only when they kacau me I go "challenge accepted"
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just drive as usual thumbsup.gif

in be4 rx8 x laju pun sweat.gif sweat.gif

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post Jun 30 2020, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(Lord Randall Voldemort @ Jun 30 2020, 07:18 PM)
Use Xiaomi smart light. Can use phone to control the lights too. Even Philips also got
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post Jun 30 2020, 10:12 PM

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8000k blue oredi nothing useful
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post Jun 30 2020, 10:14 PM

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gov no longer allow you to play with your car lamp, its hurting others eyes.
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post Jun 30 2020, 10:16 PM

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instead of opting for colder colour, why not opt for higher lumens?

beside, cold color light has a strong glare during rain/fog, both for oncoming traffic and yourself
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post Jun 30 2020, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(kurangak @ Jun 30 2020, 10:16 PM)
instead of opting for colder colour, why not opt for higher lumens?

beside, cold color light has a strong glare during rain/fog, both for oncoming traffic and yourself
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factory standard wiring doesn't allow for anything more than 55w/60w and in order to get more lumens using standard halogens, the only way is to pump up the wattage and in order to achieve that, a relay is required.

higher wattage bulbs burnt out faster so replacements can become an issue especially when it comes to costings, a good 100w bulb can easily cost you twice the price of a 50w/60w performance bulb - not to mention the additional heat that it generates.

be it cold or warm, if the light is aligned to hell, it will glare.
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post Jun 30 2020, 10:28 PM

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lol our authorities really dont care
use whatever u want
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post Apr 14 2022, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(woodentiger86 @ Jun 30 2020, 10:05 AM)
Osram Nightbreakers are good.

TS< try not to get too cheap bulbs otherwise run the risk of fusing or burn out. Happened before to my old E32 when I bought aftermarket bulbs from Brothers to replace the ones in my headlamps.

Brighter for awhile then kaput...
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Are the nightbreakers legal? Looking to replace my stock bulbs that seem a bit dim but don't want to blind others or run the risk at roadblocks.

QUOTE(andrewhtf @ Jun 30 2020, 11:45 AM)
Allow me to make some clarification

1. Any headlamp modifications that deviate from factory standard  is illegal under JPJ rule. If your stock headlamp is halogen reflector, you can only pakai balik halogen bulb in a reflector housing. Doesn't matter apa lanjiao halogen bulb you change, as long as it is still halogen bulb in stock reflector housing, you are safe. If you retrofit hid/led bulb into stock halogen headlamp, salah. If you put projector unit into your reflector housing, doesn't matter u use halogen led or hid bulb, salah. Even if you do total headlamp replacement as in switching out your halogen headlamp into custom made led/hid headlamp system. It doesn't matter that even if they made it perfect cut-off la, no glare la etc etc, as long as it is not the same as out of factory,  also salah. JPJ/Traffic mau saman, they are correct.

2. If your headlamp already is using projector unit in headlamp from factory, then although it is still salah under the law, you can still get away with swapping between halogen/led/hid bulbs because it isn't very noticeable to the eye of opisers manning the roadblock. Meaning if your stock factory headlamp is using halogen projectors, you swap the bulb to hid/led is not very noticeable. Unless if the opisers is a car nut and knows your car spec like the back of his hand and he'll flag you for it. Otherwise, you get away.

3. HID con-lan-firm have to use projector system because that's what it was designed for from the start, it is not meant for reflector housing, so sohais who put hid bulb into reflector housing are the one making the glare all over the place.

4. LED in the earlier days, and even nowadays especially for those cheapo ones, also gave out unnecessary glare because no thought were given to proper design. Only recent years that they start pay attention and design the led chip placement to mimic a halogen, so it can be used in a reflective housing and to provide a similar beam shape and pattern to a halogen. Although they're still not perfect but with the extra lumens output watt for watt, it kind offset lah.

5. The colour temperature of halogens are between 3k to 4300k usually, depending on the filament material composition, gas, filament winding and last but not least, the bulb tint. The so called whiter lights on halogen are usually by applying blue tinting on the bulb glass. For all its intent, a tinting is actually a filter and actually you lose some lumens from the light output. Counter productive.

6. The good thing with HID/LED is that they provide colour choices, from 3k all the way to 9k, even higher if you are willing to buy, but at higher temp colour it is just for show and had no practicality in road illumination. As mentioned, if you use led/hid bulb replacing stock halogen, is salah, but if you choose colour temp of 4300 and below, it would seem as if you're still on halogen at a glance, hence reducing the chance of getting flagged down. Less risky lah. You can try pushing it at 5k as it is still abit yellowish there. However if you use 6k-6.8k colour temp in reflector housing, then it is super obvious already. If opiser wan to kacau, u kena. That's all.

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Based on what you said, the Osram Nightbreakers would be acceptable as they are halogen bulbs? And any thoughts on the Philips LEDs? I run a stock 2014 Iriz 1.3
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post Apr 14 2022, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(botak91 @ Apr 14 2022, 03:33 PM)
Are the nightbreakers legal? Looking to replace my stock bulbs that seem a bit dim but don't want to blind others or run the risk at roadblocks.
Based on what you said, the Osram Nightbreakers would be acceptable as they are halogen bulbs? And any thoughts on the Philips LEDs? I run a stock 2014 Iriz 1.3
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Yes, they're legal. Osram Nightbreaker is still a halogen bulb. no issue at all. no change to glare & beam shape.

what set it different from a normal halogen is that the inner fillament is wounded much more closely and hence longer/more filament material in a single bulb so made it seem brighter. However this way it sort of reduced the lifetime of a single bulb because, more filament = more heat and stress. but then again, in normal usage, nobody gives a fark lah, pakai saja. burn, tukar baru.

at the same time they also applied light blue tints around the bulb glass in order to make the yellow halogen light appear whiter/brighter. it's just a little trick.

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overall, despite the numbers of difference % it quotes on the sales package, all those can be ignored. in actual use, the improvement is only minor. but better than nothing lah.

Philips LED, i have not used it myself before so i cannot comment. plus i am not sure which model you refer to as there are a few in the market. but looking at the shape of those recent Ultinon models, they did place the emitter to mimic halogen filament positioning so to a certain extent i can say in regard to glare and cut-off they would be similar to a standard halogen. as to whether it is brighter or not, i cannot coment.

Personally i am a cheapskate and used china-dunno-what-brand LED. same principle of emitter positioned mimicking halogen, i have used 3 bulbs over 2 bikes and in my experience it is an improvement. that is because my kapchai headlamp are only running on 35watts halogen so the switch to an LED the difference is very apparent.

meanwhile on my family car, i have a pair of 5000k led put in and i can only see minor improvement in the brightness. the colour temp is almost similar to nightbreakers i used in the past, & it doesnt change the beam shape & distance of the light throw because those are the governed by the reflector housing. Anyway, standard halogen runs on 55 watts, and when you replaced it with a common 40 watt led bulb, you get power savings, and choice of light colour temperature. perhaps if your current stock halogen is dying (being the cause of the dim) then you might see immediate improvement after swapping. anyway i am unsure if iriz 1.3 headlamp runs on reflectors or projectors. and what is the stock bulb, h4 or H7 or any other denomination?

Since these china led bulbs are cheap (basically same price for what i pay for nightbreakers) i would say it doesnt hurt to give them a try instead of the nightbreakers itself.
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post Apr 14 2022, 06:57 PM

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QUOTE(botak91 @ Apr 14 2022, 03:33 PM)
Are the nightbreakers legal? Looking to replace my stock bulbs that seem a bit dim but don't want to blind others or run the risk at roadblocks.
Based on what you said, the Osram Nightbreakers would be acceptable as they are halogen bulbs? And any thoughts on the Philips LEDs? I run a stock 2014 Iriz 1.3
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dude, please dont dig out threads so many years ago, even the TS has been sus-ed, not even sure if hes still alive or in malaysia. let them RIP.
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post Apr 14 2022, 07:17 PM

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QUOTE(andrewhtf @ Apr 14 2022, 06:53 PM)
Yes, they're legal. Osram Nightbreaker is still a halogen bulb. no issue at all. no change to glare & beam shape.

what set it different from a normal halogen is that the inner fillament is wounded much more closely and hence longer/more filament material in a single bulb so made it seem brighter. However this way it sort of reduced the lifetime of a single bulb because, more filament = more heat and stress. but then again, in normal usage, nobody gives a fark lah, pakai saja. burn, tukar baru. 

at the same time they also applied light blue tints around the bulb glass in order to make the yellow halogen light appear whiter/brighter. it's just a little trick.

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overall, despite the numbers of difference % it quotes on the sales package, all those can be ignored.  in actual use, the improvement is only minor. but better than nothing lah.

Philips LED, i have not used it myself before so i cannot comment. plus i am not sure which model you refer to as there are a few in the market. but looking at the shape of those recent Ultinon  models, they did place the emitter to mimic halogen filament positioning so to a certain extent i can say in regard to glare and cut-off they would be similar to a standard halogen. as to whether it is brighter or not, i cannot coment.

Personally i am a cheapskate and used china-dunno-what-brand LED. same principle of emitter positioned mimicking halogen, i have used 3 bulbs over 2 bikes and in my experience it is an improvement. that is because my kapchai headlamp are only running on 35watts halogen so the switch to an LED the difference is very apparent.

meanwhile on my family car, i have a pair of 5000k led put in and i can only see minor improvement in the brightness. the colour temp is almost similar to nightbreakers i used in the past, & it doesnt change the beam shape & distance of the light throw because those are the governed by the reflector housing. Anyway, standard halogen runs on 55 watts, and when you replaced it with a common 40 watt led bulb, you get power savings, and choice of light colour temperature. perhaps if your current stock halogen is dying (being the cause of the dim) then you might see immediate improvement after swapping. anyway i am unsure if iriz 1.3 headlamp runs on reflectors or projectors. and what is the stock bulb, h4 or H7 or any other denomination?

Since these china led bulbs are cheap (basically same price for what i pay for nightbreakers) i would say it doesnt hurt to give them a try instead of the nightbreakers itself.
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Thanks for your comment. Wasn't aware about the orientation of the LEDs but I was referring to the Pro9000 that seem to be the closest to 4800K which is the legal limit, price is quite high so I guess I'm just educating myself. On the nightbreakers, do you think its not worth the upgrade? I understand that you can't comment on the brightness which is my reason that I'm even considering it now.

QUOTE(narf03 @ Apr 14 2022, 06:57 PM)
dude, please dont dig out threads so many years ago, even the TS has been sus-ed, not even sure if hes still alive or in malaysia. let them RIP.
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Got you to reply though =) I'll be more aware of these things next time.
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QUOTE(botak91 @ Apr 14 2022, 07:17 PM)
Thanks for your comment. Wasn't aware about the orientation of the LEDs but I was referring to the Pro9000 that seem to be the closest to 4800K which is the legal limit, price is quite high so I guess I'm just educating myself. On the nightbreakers, do you think its not worth the upgrade? I understand that you can't comment on the brightness which is my reason that I'm even considering it now.
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No i just cant comment on the philips led. but Nightbreakers i have used it on a Versys about 8-9 years ago, H7 bulbs. apart from less yellow colour, i dare say it doesnt have any difference compared to the stock it replaced so yeah not worth the price. eventually when my NB burnt off i switched to osram rallye 65watts, it is still yellow like usual halogen but the lumens is definitely brighter. too bad this bulb is discontinued after 2017.

anyway on the bike, since i wanted more lights to shine road, i added a pair of spotlights. it gave me all the light spread and throw i wanted which cannot be done on a headlamp bulb swap.

so for your car, you might want to consider adding a pair too if you feel like you want some bright lights during some special situation. sure it might look ugly on the iriz but this is just my POV. i am at the age where looks dont matter, as long as things works to fulfil my purpose. again, adding spotlights may be illegal under JPJ but as long as you're not turning it on all the time causing glare to others, still can bawak bincang. only turn it on when absolutely needed.

anyway if your iriz headlamp is projector, then i think you can use up to 6500k LED. very low chance of getting kacau by JPJ lah.

only those reflectors more apparent and easier to target so for those gotta keep to 5000k and below.

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