RM110X22 +RM10(courier)=RM2430

before i pay him, he said ETA 7-14 days.
nvm, i can wait.
then from day to day, he said his supplier also can't make sure can get the stock.
then i ask for refund. easy. no stock then why still keep the buyer money.




since he dotn want settle in pm. and even i sms him/pm him many times he also no replies before this.
so i have to bring the case to dispute center.

so is it reasonable i get the refund ?

This post has been edited by zhen^wei: Aug 3 2007, 09:48 AM

mayb he need sometime to talk to his supplier to get the refund? sometime susah la the seller act on behalf of the supplier..somemore seller shouldnt ignore ur buyer's sms/pm...this will only make the buyer frustrating and piss ...as u know if we order sth from u and we cant get it on time..sure he or she will find u rite? jus giv explaination to the buyer instead of avoid calls/pms/sms...now u c all these happens u only reply =.="

How about ask him the deadline when the stock can come to u or else full refund??

if i give him the deadline until 1 more month. can make sure he can get the stock for me ? wat kind of bulk order is it..

yeah..u should ask for the refund...its ur money dude..u order the things..the thing cant make on time..u should ask for ur refund..when the ram is available again,u can bank in later..

i smell another con job in the making. keep asking him for ur refund coz if he can't deliver the goods, that's his only option. u dun have to give a shit what happens between him and his supplier. the deal was made between u and him, not his supplier.i believe there's a very big chance he's still holding on to ur money and spending it.

So..... he blindly gave money to his supplier without getting the stock?

Don't this work the other way around, supplier usually will give out the stock and wait for payment end of the month? Why is he paying money for then? Promises?

yeah, try to wait for another month !

Wht a reason he gave. Supplier not take money 1st. Dealer is the one that get the money 1st. Only then, stuff will reach buyer. Really hoping nothing bad happen. 2xxx is a very big amount. Some body working for 4-5 months only can saving that amount money itupun kalau ikat perut.

he is mmu student.
if he not yet refund to me until next fridya, i will going back to melaka.
and report police, straight away go to MMU complaint.
i think he will lost his study also

another RAM story...haiya~

confirm yes,he will expell from the u ,but at least give him 1 week to settle this case ,as he told u that he is just part time ,u may give him some time to setle this problem

if no ready stock, pls dont ask buyer bank in!!!

Hi all, michealelsie here. I am the one who placed order for his RAM.

Yes, he had paid the full amount of money because my supplier there got T&C said that FULL UPFRONT PAYMENT REQUIRED in order to place the order.

The order has been placed and PO has been sent on 14 July 2007. 11pm

The ETA start counted at the second day which is 15 July 2007 as ETA counted according the working hours and days. (my supplier set this T&C)

So the ETA of 14 days which set by my supplier already reached yesterday 2 August 2007)

However, the RAM stocks still not yet arrive my place on time.

The problem is, NOT I don't want to give the stocks to you. But my supplier there not yet ready the stocks for me.

Not only me don't have the stocks now, all the dealers under my supplier also can't get the stocks. The shortage of RAM stocks also not my supplier fault. It is due to the main distributor problem.

As you all know currently the RAM price hiking, many distributor control the stocks distribution and also the price. It makes the stocks in the market limited.

If my supplier and me really got the stocks on hand now, no point I want hold it then spoilt our reputation , am I right. As a dealers or a supplier also know this I think.

Moreover, you want me to direct refund to you, It is also impossible as I am still a student. I don't have such large capital. Besides, you said I do so many business still not money to refund to you? Do you think that I can earn a lot on my sales item? I sell Hard disk, DVD burner, thumbdrive (tempo stopped), and others not so active thread. How I have so many money to direct refund to you.

Please always remember, I won't be so stupid to not supplier you the stocks and spoilt my reputation. It is the main distributor really controlling the price and quantities of the stocks and makes my supplier hard to get the stocks in short time.

Hope you all here can understand my situation.

I am a dealer and trader here in LYN. and I will not be so stupid to spoil my own reputation.

then from day to day, he said his supplier also can't make sure can get the stock.

This is the main problem.. If the seller knows the supplier cant get the stock or no immediate stock. Dont ask buyer to bank in the money, now see many problems occured.

Supplier no stock also wait supplier restock then ask buyer to bank in. Not say directly bank in to him then ask supplier order the stock, the stock when reach also dont know. Later supplier con the seller more worse..

If you don't know anything happen regarding the shortage of RAM stocks which happen recently, please keep quiet.

thank you.

to the seller :
the market price of ram always not stable..sometimes up sometimes down, u can promise that when u have stock,the price still will same with the price now? and if....i say if when u have stock, maybe the market price lower than the price of the buyer bought from you, so ....??

If you are not under the same supplier as me, then I cant blame you.

Each supplier got their own T&C. sometimes, supplier need full payment to order the stocks.

Besides, for those stocks like RAMs, that the price keep changing each week, if u were the supplier, will be buy few carton of stocks and keep it?

Keeping this kind of stocks are very risky because you don't know when their value will be drop or increase.

If you know the price I gave him then I think you will probably know the price currently in the market surely wont lower than my price.

thank you.

So because you offer lower price, you have the right to hold on to a customer's money for a longer period?

For some certain stocks, like RAMs which the price keep changing. Will you take the risk to keep the stocks?

And by the way, I am not the supplier. I am just a small dealer, as a student, do you think I got the capital to take stocks. Do you think I should take the risk to keep stocks?

think twice bro.

thank you~

a bit selfish...just my 2cents~

Hmm... better dun simply judge first as this is only a small dispute.

@TS, I think you better give him a longer dateline. like 1 more week time. Give seller a bit of time to settle his dispute first. 2k, a big deal but you must bear the risk of internet transaction/deal. Nothings come good always.

@Seller, don't promise anything yet. First thing you should do, was to find the supplier, tell him everything that the delay had been disputed by TS. If police report is lodged, both you and supplier will be in the case for sure. Why? Ts accuse you, you accuse supplier. I'm not sure this will lead to where but go find that supplier and ask him. He said delay ar.. bla bla... ask him when. One can say delay(1 year? 2 years?)

Understood? It's now your responsibility to do this all once your bear the title of seller. Buyer already did his part, that's to chase after you for the stock. While you need to do your part is chase after supplier and (don't threaten) ask him when or police will find him.

This is my supplier T&C. Everyone that under my supplier also know that.

We are not open shops. We are just do this dealer job as a part time. I am just a student FYI.

Only those shops can take stocks then pay later on the end of the months or pay partially with interest.

hope you can understand more about this. thank you.

What ever happen between u and your supplier is your problem I believe.

He did a business with YOU, not your supplier. You are the one responsible for this because you decided to take up this opportunity. You are the one selling him the RAM. Now the problem is:

1. You take people's money
2. You cannot give the item
3. You also canot gurantee a deadline

DON't bring your supplier into the picture, that is a problem between you and your supplier, now we are talking about the problem between you and him.

Are you doing this job part time or full time? Are you new or long time in the business?
Personally, I think you dont have the right attitude as a seller. We as buyer do not want to hear excuses or reasoning, that is not our problem. You have guaranteed of the item, and the buyer has already paid based on your agreement. If any case arises, you as the seller are held responsible. So it is up to the task of convincing the buyer that the product will arrive either on time or given a new lease of deadline for them to hold on to. At the same time, you're saving your reputation as a respectable seller. It wont help if you're being defensive about the matter, because in the end....its the buyer who has to take the risks of losing his money. Of course, you can explain of the current situation, but do not expect that after explaining that it is NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY for the arrival of the item, that you can just let the buyer wait for days, weeks and months.

And he is buying in bulk, which normally means he is intending to sell it off. If due to the delay of arrival, the RAM price has gone down....isnt that meaning that he is standing to lose the value of the RAM itself in the market? I hope at least you can care enough of your buyer to at least give them a confidence call and reply to their inquiries. THAT is how you maintain your reputation my dear friend.

You are the only one that talk the proper words. I surely will let my supplier know this problem as I am not the main problem that causing this to be happen.

Why I should take this problem to suffer myself, right? I will let my supplier know and ask them for the method to solve it. I will update here anyway.

thank you.

your 2 cents don't make sense.

i was one of the person who also looked into that RAM bulk, just that I got busy.

michealelsie had stated that full sum is required. it's WAS very clear that in his dealing, he needs to pay his supplier first before getting the RAM.




you're a trader yourself. i'm sure you know that quite often money is needed up-front before item could be given to you.

in this case, he's a middle person and it's not that he doesn't want to give back to you - he can't as the money already not with him.


PROPOSED SOLUTION : michealelsie open new bulk for RM 110 per piece, 22 pieces - AGAIN. after collect all $$$ then pay back to your lor. of course you guys may think what if he run away - if you think like that then simple - DON'T BUY FROM HIM LA. all buyers know their risk. whether to part with the $$$ is your choice.

I hope you do what as I said so. It is better to solve this the sooner the better. But before that, ask TS for another week dateline. But you must make sure to settle this in a week or police will find you first, investigate and then find your supplier.

What I concern most is your supplier is not trustable and he could have run away with your money. By that time, you should co-operate with police to catch the supplier already(Where the warrant/wanted list will issued). So I hope you can advise your supplier by time before he did anything stupid.

I will try my best to do it.

By the way, I have to clear 1 thing, my supplier is a very trustable people. I have done many business with him as you can see my bulk sales. He got lots of dealers under him also.

Pitty Zhen^wei.....the relationship between the distributor and seller should not affect the buyer...if the seller doesnt have the financial standing to conduct the transaction then he should not be doing it...seems like seller just wanna profit buta buta....Zhen, you should just try to find out whom is the distributor and go direct...cut out the middle man since there is no value add to have him in the whole transaction except for him taking his cut.

cash sales always cheaper dude...grow up...

Yes, it's ok to trust a supplier like him but remember that he can betray you anytime.

OK not to mention it anymore. I hope you can take up ur butt now and find the supplier. No more wasting time. If your supplier also cannot do anything, you have to further investigate why this problem occur with your supplier. At least told the responsible person that make up this delay that police report will be lodge soon.

ANOTHER PROPOSED SOLUTION : Get the supplier to refund la. Say take too long. This is not as easy as it seems.

Yes, I understand different suppliers have different T&C. I'm also a part time dealer as well, thats why I don't really understand why would you willingly pay an amount of money to a supplier without the guarantee of stocks?

I've seen suppliers who three storey buildings close shop in an instance because the owner decided to run away, leaving everyone at a loss. I wish you the best of luck in getting the supply, because if the person is buying 11 sticks, it's meant for his customers / market and not for his own use so time is a critical factor to him as well.

zhen wei
as far as i understand , you are a reseller your self
and this rams you are buying it and selling and not buying it on behalf of your friend (pls tell the truth, if it is)

*pls avoid my statement above if its not true, but if it is then pls make things clear!!!! we all want to know the truth

We can continue on this topic after you answer of the statement above (if you would)

EDIT: I'm not michealelsie's supplier.....

This post has been edited by expantyhoesthief: Aug 3 2007, 03:23 PM

do you think he need to buy from michealelsie, if he could find a distributor to supply him at such NICE and LOW pricing....

the reason he have to buy from michealelsie and resell the rams are because he could not find a better deal from either amble action or convergent...simple rules

This post has been edited by expantyhoesthief: Aug 3 2007, 03:29 PM

Don't fully blame on seller, he is not the one who set the T&C as well. Seller is just a middleman who organize and manage the items. What he can do now is to rush his supplier for the stock.

Its like I'm a staff in a company. I help my customer order something. Can't make it in time for stuff to arrive, expect me to pay refund or the company should pay back the customer?

Just have to see how you think la. Once you being through this kinda situation before, you know how it feels like.

But to seller, its your job as well to keep things going accordingly. Hope you manage to get your supplier able to refund the money back if those stocks still takes long to arrive.

its not as easy as you think
FYI, supplier did take the money first


Chow

i am trader, sure i buy cheap and sell high..

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Added on August 3, 2007, 3:44 pmu talk so much, ur supplier can get stock or not.
and how long i needed to wait ? after the ram price decrease again ?
or 1-2 months ?
so ur supplier didn't get the stock to u in the ETA period, so is it possible u get refund from him ?

This post has been edited by zhen^wei: Aug 3 2007, 03:44 PM

as you said , you are a trader, but in the message / first post, you mentioned you are buying for a friend and not for your customer......pls make the statements clear before continuing...
anyway i wont interfere in this thread anymore (if not sure one of us kena suspention)

did i ?
show me the words.

so zhen... you giving him 1 more month to settle this with his supplier right. just lets hope the best for both of you.

why do you want to give him 1 month?

Where got such thing as supplier ask for FULL payment only can take order. I pay you, you give me stock lah. If got no stock then I wait lah. That's all. What kind of supplier is this? No money to do business until need to take buyers money?

Seller cannot run away from his responsibility. TS deal with seller not with supplier. Want to make money but don't want to take responsibility? Where got so easy? Like that any tom, d*** and harry can sell products lah. Then got problem said not my fault and push it all to supplier.

This is either a conjob or a very useless seller.

If seller is conman then he will give all kind of excuses not to return your money.

If seller is useless seller AND responsible for his sales then he must return the money immediately.

If seller is useless seller AND irresponsible then he must be blacklisted.

1 month is too long to wait. All the conmen's tactic is to delay and cheat more people.

issit possible to ask the supplier use the collected money go somewhere to get the ram to u all first? perhaps buy in bulk in lowyat plaza after that deliver to u all...since the distributor there having problem of supplying the unit..so i think y dont u discuss wif the supplier and get the ram from the other seller...rather than keeping the customer wait and wait...mayb getting the ram from the other seller will cost a little bit much but better than u keeping ur customers wait here for nth since u duno when is the main distributor able to restock again..

bro michealelsie...i think u should push harder on ur supplier side lol~...if something happen to him/she ( might be he /she run away with all ur money ...heck even our own relative can cheat on us!!! ) it's ur name and reputation that in state here....!!! and by the way is ur supplier are LYN member?? reveal his ID and i'm sure this will be better for u...

and for sure i will bash kaw2 this company.......

normally middle person don't depart with $$$ until get stock.

like now, i'm selling some motherboards. recently buyer banked in money, but stock not available. what happen? money is still with me, just that i inform the buyer that i have no problem refunding him.

my supplier won't get my $$$ until they show me the goods.

however i don't know about michealsie's case. his supplier could be another middle person or donno how they run things la. so michealsie, perhaps you could produce some proof that the $$$ was used for purchase? perhaps and invoice or whatever sales document to back you up.

This post has been edited by goldfries: Aug 4 2007, 01:01 AM

Give him at least a few days la, maybe one week to correct things...

I am just wondering, if u really report police, will u get back your refund ? Will he be blacklisted ? Any proof that u actually bank in money to bought something ? There are no Receipt or Signature from him..... Banking transaction is not a proof that he con you...

I just wonder, if I was conned, I need to do something....

A scanned PO or something uploaded here for everyone to see will be a good start. At least it can show proof that the seller did really pass the money to his supplier for the rams. This is a huge amount involved so I believe the buyer has the right to demand something as a proof.

I am discuss with my supplier. Please everyone give me few days to settle this problem ok?

Please dont say like I am a CONMAN. ok.....

@zhen wei: Please give me few days time. After this few days, u will get what u want.

If u all wanna see the statement of money transfer or any proof my stock ordering , I will upload it here.

thank you.

deadline on this coming thursday. before saturday i need received 22sticks of ram or refund.

Hey all,

Just wanna say that I don't think michealelsie is a conman/woman cause I've dealt with pre-orders with him/her before. Stuffs might come a lil later than expected date but they did come lol Dealt twice and got my items twice, even though it took some time.

Don't be so sure.

Before poweredge@shahrilwan ran away with rm80K, everyone also do not think he is a conman.

Notice that I mentioned "I don't think". Didn't say "I am sure".

Chill la, he doesn't seem like he's running away.

If u mentioned "don't think" that's mean he has the chances to run away.

Because you are not sure.

Once again, I mentioned that "he doesn't seem like he's running away".

Of course, I never said I was sure in the beginning. I don't think its wrong to give him the benefit of doubt.

If you are not sure, save your energy, no need to spam here.

NOT only this seller with slow order la bro ~
If u did surf LYF BULK section , there is 1 month delay there to ~ and sumore longer ...

zhen wei pls refer to this link http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/472630

I know this may particular case but u really hard to get GUARANTEED ETA 14 days at here . Bcoz it is BULK orders not garage sales.

So this may cause by unpatient of buyer ..

You make it sound like it is wrong to give people the benefit of doubt, to trust someone. How can anyone be so sure? All I was trying to do is point out that he/she did manage some bulk pre-orders before, and all of us got our orders, even though they weren't on time. I don't see you helping by trying to equate him to a well-known conman.

Chill la!

This is not the concept benefit of doubt. Benefit of doubt means A favorable judgment granted in the absence of full evidence.

Successful of trades just to give more confidence for new buyers and doesn't mean

a seller is still 100% reliable.

You're still not getting the point. What I'm trying to say that there were delay in the bulks pre-orders he/she conducted, but in the end we still received the items. It might happen that way again, it might not. Though its highly possible that he/she is not a conman. I don't know why you're so keen to prove me wrong.

Edit: I don't see why this is not a case of giving him the benefit of doubt. Is there FULL evidence that he is a conman? He is still here and he is still replying, he even offered to show the statement of him money transfer. If you really insist on using dictionaries, then

"to believe something good about someone, rather than something bad, when you have the possibility of doing either." taken from http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/give+t...it+of+the+doubt.

I rest my case.

This post has been edited by Xromix: Aug 4 2007, 02:45 PM

Same to you, you also didn't catch what i am trying to mention. And please understand what is benefit of doubt before using it.

He/she is a conman is not determine by you or me. Because TS is still waiting for the rams to arrive. Even seller can't confirm

how long the delay, so does it means need to wait forever? at least provide a dateline and not TS asked for it.

Read my edited post about the usage of "benefit of doubt".

TS is waiting for the rams to arrive. Seller is still here and posting, hasn't run away. Conman is someone who runs away with the money, if I'm not mistaken. TS already gave seller a dateline. What is it that you're arguing about? I can't even post a casual feedback on the seller without getting flamed

TS acutally requested a fully refund because seller can't promise the actual arrival date of the rams.

Did i say seller is a conman? Which sentence? Read again lar.

I just provided some examples doesn't mean i accuse seller is a conman.

I would like to mention again, a lot of trade successfully cases doesn't mean 100% reliable.

Because seller refused to refund and forced TS to have a dateline. Reason given was $$ already gave to supplier,

i don't think is a supplier, maybe just another dealer.

i personally dont think michealelsie a conman.
just curious he get my payment for what purpose and no give me the stock on time. and when i pm, sms him and ask the status he had no replies.
and he also said his supplier can't comfirm can get the stock also.tat's why i need ask for refund if wait like this.

This post has been edited by zhen^wei: Aug 4 2007, 02:17 PM

Did I even say that you accused the seller a conman?

If you considered yourself providing examples, then I have to say the same thing goes for me. I merely provided a positive feedback on the seller with the intention of giving some assurance to the TS that the seller is not a conman, and gave seller the benefit of doubt (I'm pretty sure my usage on this term is right )

I never mentioned that the seller is reliable did I? I said that it was off the expected time. But we STILL received our items.

Whether its a supplier or just another dealer, that is none of our concern. The main concern here is that TS receives his item by the dateline or else gets refunded. And whether the seller refunds or not is out of our hands.

We better stop our 'bickering', before we face the wrath of the mods. I apologize if I offended you in any way.

hahaha.."siapa makan cili dia terasa pedas" cause by unpatient buyer??!! we all have a certain limit of patient and it's different from one others...and for example i give u this link
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/303354
i'm really do respect this guy as he is very patient guy...
u can tolerate in same way but not all the times lol~ and to TS i do agree that u give some time to seller to deal with his supplier problem!!!
as a link given by duo8668, we(mostly) do give him same times do settle this problem..but seem this seller doesn't give us the best solution yet...and "I'm have lost my patient and tolerant with this guy" . ......sorry ya~!!!a bit off topic...

This post has been edited by budakdegilz: Aug 4 2007, 03:16 PM

no unpatient. is the seller didn't keep the promise and deliver on time. i have my right to cancel it and get my refund.
if he give me a reason said, the item in shipping to malaysia, stuck in kastam, then i still can consider to wait few days to 1 week. no problem. but he also can't comfirm when can get the stock for me. so what for i need to wait ?
am i right ? RM2k is not a big cash. just dont like this seller way to doing business.

Just travel a long long highway to KL. Now at KL. I will meet my supplier F2F to settle this problem.

@Xromix: thx for your support on me. I will try my best to settle this problem so that won't disappointing u all that support me all the time.

thank you.

zhen^wei is in the right here. He can't wait an unknown amount of time for the stock. michealelsie, just ask your supplier whether you can get zhen^wei's stock by his dateline. No bullshit answers like "maybe", "i'll try my best". Its just "yes" or "no". If he can't make the dateline, get him to refund you zhen^wei's money and you refund zhen^wei.

There's no frigging bullshit about industry supply problem and crap like that. Its whether you can deliver what you promised or not, fail to deliver and you face the repercussions.

I think the seller isn't a conman la.. it's just that the way he run his business isn't really efficient and really, it makes customers loose faith in him. To the seller, you should change your supplier.. items comes first before money. That's the deal.

I dont think alot of ppl get the whole point of this thread right? Zhen^wei is asking for a refund as the seller cant meet the delivery ETA of the items, its not about whether the seller is a con man or not...who gives a hoot abt the sellers status, if not con-man so what?

Its all about business, buyer gives seller money, sellers delivery product or service, seller cant deliver, refund so that buyer can go else where to buy the product or service. Just a plain and simple business transaction.

Dude,

Just let the seller discuss with his supplier first before asking for the dateline.

If no, means no lol.. no offence lar.

But chill out. At least the seller is travelling all the wat from MMU to KL for this case so that he can settle it fast. Just wait ba. No point pushing the seller to the end of the corner now.

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Added on August 5, 2007, 12:34 amBro, just some advice lol. He's ordering bulk sales. Must expect some late la... but if ETA not meet. Seller got either 2 option to choose, which is refund or deliver the item asap.

While refund is not the thing that seller can do right now. He's trying hard to settle this case instead of refund. It might be better than he run away with the money right?

This post has been edited by temptation1314: Aug 5 2007, 12:34 AM

geez~ dude!!! are all bulk MUST EXPECT SOME LATE u say ??? didn't the purpose of doing bulk is to get a cheaper price in large amount of quantity??!!! are this " must expect some late " is kind of package that come with us purchasing in bulk??? dude seriously u have to think before state those statment??!!! haiya~
( p/s : i do accept that sometimes the ETA given by seller can't be a little late due by a certain problem but to say that MUST expect some delay??!! i totally disaggre !!! )

Lol, bro, dun mean to flame you. No need to make the word so red and big. You're like more concerned than the TS . Sorry lar if flamed anyone here. But what I said is not a "must". Maybe I'll use "prepare" instead of "must", ok?

(So, buyer need to prepare some unexpected delay on bulk sales) <--- ok to use this kind of sentence?

Sorry gao gao

lol bro budakdegilz, you are frustrated your ram from another bulk din arrive and come jumping on michealelsie, opne a new thread to complaint abt other seller who could not make on time ....and not come here shoot someone else

michealelsie pls post the updates so that we can keep track and solve this problem fast instead of increasing the number of irrelevant posts here..

irrelated person dont involved.. look like spam the thread..
i now will wait his response after he talk to his supplier.
so dont spam the thread

ok..ok...sorry ya just coz temptation1314 said something that hmmm... my appologies to bro michealesie if u are offended by my post

ok...ok...sorry ya!!!!

Sorry for the late updates, I have discuss with my supplier last night and we have come out a solution.

I will settle this problem before TS (zhen^wei) 's deadline. Please those people out there give me some breath. I honestly beg u all please give me some breath. I am settling this problem ok.

@zhen^wei: I will contact you within this few days. No worry. Will settle it before the deadlines.

This post has been edited by michealelsie: Aug 5 2007, 09:58 PM

wht solution /.

will call u when my supplier side ready. no worry~

2 more days.

transferring money to u now. jus got it from my supplier. no need to count d

ok.tq
u got my maybank acc right ?
pm me the bank receipt after u done it..

bro, i will transfer to u by CIMB coz payment in CIMB. 2 days to proceed thx.

owh.. supplier refund? got no stock meh?

told u all d, the main disti in malaysia controlling the price and stocks. Now RAM stocks limited for some times. but u all dont believe....

btw, zhen wei, here is the slip~ please view

FULL AMOUNT FULLY REFUNDED ~!!!!

This post has been edited by michealelsie: Aug 8 2007, 12:06 PM

then solved.. can closed mehh?

sure solve d....jus wait the TS see the money 2 days later then close this thread lo~ I have done my side d~

aiyor michealelsie, cover the buyer and your own acc number when posting in public ler... Learn a bit

u should ask CIMB bank acc from me..ok. i will keep track the refund.
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