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> michealelsie dont want refund to me, 22 sticks kingston ramX RM110

michealelsie
post Aug 3 2007, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(yourgadget @ Aug 3 2007, 02:28 PM)
if no ready stock, pls dont ask buyer bank in!!!
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For some certain stocks, like RAMs which the price keep changing. Will you take the risk to keep the stocks?

And by the way, I am not the supplier. I am just a small dealer, as a student, do you think I got the capital to take stocks. Do you think I should take the risk to keep stocks?

think twice bro.

thank you~
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post Aug 3 2007, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(michealelsie @ Aug 3 2007, 02:48 PM)
For some certain stocks, like RAMs which the price keep changing. Will you take the risk to keep the stocks?

And by the way, I am not the supplier. I am just a small dealer, as a student, do you think I got the capital to take stocks. Do you think I should take the risk to keep stocks?

think twice bro.

thank you~
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a bit selfish...just my 2cents~ blush.gif
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Hmm... better dun simply judge first as this is only a small dispute.

@TS, I think you better give him a longer dateline. like 1 more week time. Give seller a bit of time to settle his dispute first. 2k, a big deal but you must bear the risk of internet transaction/deal. Nothings come good always.

@Seller, don't promise anything yet. First thing you should do, was to find the supplier, tell him everything that the delay had been disputed by TS. If police report is lodged, both you and supplier will be in the case for sure. Why? Ts accuse you, you accuse supplier. I'm not sure this will lead to where but go find that supplier and ask him. He said delay ar.. bla bla... ask him when. One can say delay(1 year? 2 years?)

Understood? It's now your responsibility to do this all once your bear the title of seller. Buyer already did his part, that's to chase after you for the stock. While you need to do your part is chase after supplier and (don't threaten) ask him when or police will find him.
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post Aug 3 2007, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Aug 3 2007, 11:05 AM)
So..... he blindly gave money to his supplier without getting the stock?

Don't this work the other way around, supplier usually will give out the stock and wait for payment end of the month? Why is he paying money for then? Promises?
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This is my supplier T&C. Everyone that under my supplier also know that.

We are not open shops. We are just do this dealer job as a part time. I am just a student FYI.

Only those shops can take stocks then pay later on the end of the months or pay partially with interest.

hope you can understand more about this. thank you.
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post Aug 3 2007, 02:53 PM

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What ever happen between u and your supplier is your problem I believe.

He did a business with YOU, not your supplier. You are the one responsible for this because you decided to take up this opportunity. You are the one selling him the RAM. Now the problem is:

1. You take people's money
2. You cannot give the item
3. You also canot gurantee a deadline

DON't bring your supplier into the picture, that is a problem between you and your supplier, now we are talking about the problem between you and him.


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QUOTE(michealelsie @ Aug 3 2007, 02:40 PM)
If you don't know anything happen regarding the shortage of RAM stocks which happen recently, please keep quiet.

thank you.
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Are you doing this job part time or full time? Are you new or long time in the business?
Personally, I think you dont have the right attitude as a seller. We as buyer do not want to hear excuses or reasoning, that is not our problem. You have guaranteed of the item, and the buyer has already paid based on your agreement. If any case arises, you as the seller are held responsible. So it is up to the task of convincing the buyer that the product will arrive either on time or given a new lease of deadline for them to hold on to. At the same time, you're saving your reputation as a respectable seller. It wont help if you're being defensive about the matter, because in the end....its the buyer who has to take the risks of losing his money. Of course, you can explain of the current situation, but do not expect that after explaining that it is NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY for the arrival of the item, that you can just let the buyer wait for days, weeks and months.

And he is buying in bulk, which normally means he is intending to sell it off. If due to the delay of arrival, the RAM price has gone down....isnt that meaning that he is standing to lose the value of the RAM itself in the market? I hope at least you can care enough of your buyer to at least give them a confidence call and reply to their inquiries. THAT is how you maintain your reputation my dear friend.
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post Aug 3 2007, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Aug 3 2007, 02:50 PM)
Hmm... better dun simply judge first as this is only a small dispute.

@TS, I think you better give him a longer dateline. like 1 more week time. Give seller a bit of time to settle his dispute first. 2k, a big deal but you must bear the risk of internet transaction/deal. Nothings come good always.

@Seller, don't promise anything yet. First thing you should do, was to find the supplier, tell him everything that the delay had been disputed by TS. If police report is lodged, both you and supplier will be in the case for sure. Why? Ts accuse you, you accuse supplier. I'm not sure this will lead to where but go find that supplier and ask him. He said delay ar.. bla bla... ask him when. One can say delay(1 year? 2 years?)

Understood? It's now your responsibility to do this all once your bear the title of seller. Buyer already did his part, that's to chase after you for the stock. While you need to do your part is chase after supplier and (don't threaten) ask him when or police will find him.
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You are the only one that talk the proper words. I surely will let my supplier know this problem as I am not the main problem that causing this to be happen.

Why I should take this problem to suffer myself, right? I will let my supplier know and ask them for the method to solve it. I will update here anyway.

thank you.
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QUOTE(chuinhooi @ Aug 3 2007, 02:50 PM)
a bit selfish...just my 2cents~ blush.gif
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your 2 cents don't make sense.

i was one of the person who also looked into that RAM bulk, just that I got busy.

michealelsie had stated that full sum is required. it's WAS very clear that in his dealing, he needs to pay his supplier first before getting the RAM.


QUOTE(zhen^wei @ Aug 3 2007, 09:47 AM)
no stock then why still keep the buyer money.


you're a trader yourself. i'm sure you know that quite often money is needed up-front before item could be given to you.

in this case, he's a middle person and it's not that he doesn't want to give back to you - he can't as the money already not with him.


PROPOSED SOLUTION : michealelsie open new bulk for RM 110 per piece, 22 pieces - AGAIN. after collect all $$$ then pay back to your lor. smile.gif of course you guys may think what if he run away - if you think like that then simple - DON'T BUY FROM HIM LA. smile.gif all buyers know their risk. whether to part with the $$$ is your choice.
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QUOTE(michealelsie @ Aug 3 2007, 02:57 PM)
You are the only one that talk the proper words. I surely will let my supplier know this problem as I am not the main problem that causing this to be happen.

Why I should take this problem to suffer myself, right? I will let my supplier know and ask them for the method to solve it. I will update here anyway.

thank you.
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I hope you do what as I said so. It is better to solve this the sooner the better. But before that, ask TS for another week dateline. But you must make sure to settle this in a week or police will find you first, investigate and then find your supplier.

What I concern most is your supplier is not trustable and he could have run away with your money. By that time, you should co-operate with police to catch the supplier already(Where the warrant/wanted list will issued). So I hope you can advise your supplier by time before he did anything stupid.
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post Aug 3 2007, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Aug 3 2007, 03:01 PM)
I hope you do what as I said so. It is better to solve this the sooner the better. But before that, ask TS for another week dateline. But you must make sure to settle this in a week or police will find you first, investigate and then find your supplier.

What I concern most is your supplier is not trustable and he could have run away with your money. By that time, you should co-operate with police to catch the supplier already(Where the warrant/wanted list will issued). So I hope you can advise your supplier by time before he did anything stupid.
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I will try my best to do it.

By the way, I have to clear 1 thing, my supplier is a very trustable people. I have done many business with him as you can see my bulk sales. He got lots of dealers under him also.
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post Aug 3 2007, 03:07 PM

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Pitty Zhen^wei.....the relationship between the distributor and seller should not affect the buyer...if the seller doesnt have the financial standing to conduct the transaction then he should not be doing it...seems like seller just wanna profit buta buta....Zhen, you should just try to find out whom is the distributor and go direct...cut out the middle man since there is no value add to have him in the whole transaction except for him taking his cut.
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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Aug 3 2007, 11:05 AM)
So..... he blindly gave money to his supplier without getting the stock?

Don't this work the other way around, supplier usually will give out the stock and wait for payment end of the month? Why is he paying money for then? Promises?
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cash sales always cheaper dude...grow up...
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QUOTE(michealelsie @ Aug 3 2007, 03:05 PM)
I will try my best to do it.

By the way, I have to clear 1 thing, my supplier is a very trustable people. I have done many business with him as you can see my bulk sales. He got lots of dealers under him also.
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Yes, it's ok to trust a supplier like him but remember that he can betray you anytime.

OK not to mention it anymore. I hope you can take up ur butt now and find the supplier. No more wasting time. If your supplier also cannot do anything, you have to further investigate why this problem occur with your supplier. At least told the responsible person that make up this delay that police report will be lodge soon.
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ANOTHER PROPOSED SOLUTION : Get the supplier to refund la. Say take too long. smile.gif This is not as easy as it seems.
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QUOTE(michealelsie @ Aug 3 2007, 02:53 PM)
This is my supplier T&C. Everyone that under my supplier also know that.

We are not open shops. We are just do this dealer job as a part time. I am just a student FYI.

Only those shops can take stocks then pay later on the end of the months or pay partially with interest.

hope you can understand more about this. thank you.
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Yes, I understand different suppliers have different T&C. I'm also a part time dealer as well, thats why I don't really understand why would you willingly pay an amount of money to a supplier without the guarantee of stocks?

I've seen suppliers who three storey buildings close shop in an instance because the owner decided to run away, leaving everyone at a loss. I wish you the best of luck in getting the supply, because if the person is buying 11 sticks, it's meant for his customers / market and not for his own use so time is a critical factor to him as well.
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zhen wei
as far as i understand , you are a reseller your self
and this rams you are buying it and selling and not buying it on behalf of your friend (pls tell the truth, if it is)

*pls avoid my statement above if its not true, but if it is then pls make things clear!!!! we all want to know the truth

We can continue on this topic after you answer of the statement above (if you would)

EDIT: I'm not michealelsie's supplier.....

This post has been edited by expantyhoesthief: Aug 3 2007, 03:23 PM
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QUOTE(BurgerRI @ Aug 3 2007, 03:07 PM)
Pitty Zhen^wei.....the relationship between the distributor and seller should not affect the buyer...if the seller doesnt have the financial standing to conduct the transaction then he should not be doing it...seems like seller just wanna profit buta buta....Zhen, you should just try to find out whom is the distributor and go direct...cut out the middle man since there is no value add to have him in the whole transaction except for him taking his cut.
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do you think he need to buy from michealelsie, if he could find a distributor to supply him at such NICE and LOW pricing....

the reason he have to buy from michealelsie and resell the rams are because he could not find a better deal from either amble action or convergent...simple rules

This post has been edited by expantyhoesthief: Aug 3 2007, 03:29 PM
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Don't fully blame on seller, he is not the one who set the T&C as well. Seller is just a middleman who organize and manage the items. What he can do now is to rush his supplier for the stock.

Its like I'm a staff in a company. I help my customer order something. Can't make it in time for stuff to arrive, expect me to pay refund or the company should pay back the customer?

Just have to see how you think la. Once you being through this kinda situation before, you know how it feels like.

But to seller, its your job as well to keep things going accordingly. Hope you manage to get your supplier able to refund the money back if those stocks still takes long to arrive.
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QUOTE(Apis_LuaLua @ Aug 3 2007, 11:18 AM)
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Wht a reason he gave. Supplier not take money 1st. Dealer is the one that get the money 1st. Only then, stuff will reach buyer. Really hoping nothing bad happen. 2xxx is a very big amount. Some body working for 4-5 months only can saving that amount money itupun kalau ikat perut.  cry.gif  cry.gif
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its not as easy as you think
FYI, supplier did take the money first


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QUOTE(expantyhoesthief @ Aug 3 2007, 03:21 PM)
zhen wei
as far as i understand , you are a reseller your self
and this rams you are buying it and selling and not buying it on behalf of your friend (pls tell the truth, if it is)

*pls avoid my statement above if its not true, but if it is then pls make things clear!!!! we all want to know the truth

We can continue on this topic after you answer of the statement above (if you would)

EDIT: I'm not michealelsie's supplier.....
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i am trader, sure i buy cheap and sell high..


Added on August 3, 2007, 3:44 pm
QUOTE(michealelsie @ Aug 3 2007, 02:33 PM)
Hi all, michealelsie here. I am the one who placed order for his RAM.

Yes, he had paid the full amount of money because my supplier there got T&C said that FULL UPFRONT PAYMENT REQUIRED in order to place the order.

The order has been placed and PO has been sent on 14 July 2007. 11pm

The ETA start counted at the second day which is 15 July 2007 as ETA counted according the working hours and days. (my supplier set this T&C)

So the ETA of 14 days which set by my supplier already reached yesterday 2 August 2007)

However, the RAM stocks still not yet arrive my place on time.

The problem is, NOT I don't want to give the stocks to you. But my supplier there not yet ready the stocks for me.

Not only me don't have the stocks now, all the dealers under my supplier also can't get the stocks. The shortage of RAM stocks also not my supplier fault. It is due to the main distributor problem.

As you all know currently the RAM price hiking, many distributor control the stocks distribution and also the price. It makes the stocks in the market limited.

If my supplier and me really got the stocks on hand now, no point I want hold it then spoilt our reputation , am I right. As a dealers or a supplier also know this I think.

Moreover, you want me to direct refund to you, It is also impossible as I am still a student. I don't have such large capital. Besides, you said I do so many business still not money to refund to you? Do you think that I can earn a lot on my sales item? I sell Hard disk, DVD burner, thumbdrive (tempo stopped), and others not so active thread. How I have so many money to direct refund to you.

Please always remember, I won't be so stupid to not supplier you the stocks and spoilt my reputation. It is the main distributor really controlling the price and quantities of the stocks and makes my supplier hard to get the stocks in short time.

Hope you all here can understand my situation.

I am a dealer and trader here in LYN. and I will not be so stupid to spoil my own reputation.
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u talk so much, ur supplier can get stock or not.
and how long i needed to wait ? after the ram price decrease again ?
or 1-2 months ?
so ur supplier didn't get the stock to u in the ETA period, so is it possible u get refund from him ?

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