So i just did my 10k km service..a normal front wheel drive sedan car, and I wish to do tyre rotation, internet says I should do forward cross right?

Also what is the right way to do it? Do i just take off the rim and replace the position(that will change the direction right?) , or i actually have to take off the tyre individually and change it without changing the rim location? The tyres are non directional tyres.

Do i need to rebalance the wheel?

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So i just did my 10k km service..a normal front wheel drive sedan car, and I wish to do tyre rotation, internet says I should do forward cross right?

Also what is the right way to do it? Do i just take off the rim and replace the position(that will change the direction right?) , or i actually have to take off the tyre individually and change it without changing the rim location? The tyres are non directional tyres.

Do i need to rebalance the wheel?

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Changing wheel from 1 side to another AND the reversing of the rotation is the point of doing tyre rotation.

If you have budget, then why not re-balance it to REDUCE ROTATIONAL VIBRATION at high speeds?

Take off tire individually?

If you go to shop, they will take out whole tire (tire and wheel together) for rotation. The tire/wheel will be put for balancing first regardless as part of package.

Normally tire will be crossed, rear right to front left and rear left to front right. However, there are unidirectional tires which are meant to rotate in one direction only. For this tire the rotation would be rear right to front right and rear left to front left.

Some people will rotate also spare tire.

Sorry. Sampuk a bit.

How to know when is the time to do rotation?

Sent my 1 year old car with 50k mileage to SC to rotate, SC said no need.

From what I read..every 10-15k km

Well the point is you dont wait until you can visibly see the tyre makan sebelah then only change.

I still dont quite understand, so basically just take off the rim and change position with out taking off the tyre?

TQ

Yup, basically just take off the rim and change position with out taking off the tyre.

Since your tyres are NON-Directional, so rotate fwd or rev does not affect (to a significant degree) tyre performance.

So long as the side marked OUTSIDE must face OUTSIDE then can already.

Your SC lazy, or he see you dont want to pay, and dun wan argue with you.

Basically rotate, balancing and alignment during EVERY OIL CHANGE for max tyre longevity.

Whether you have the budget for it or not,
or is it worth it or not for your particular car vs your driving style, is a different matter =D

This post has been edited by BelaCHAN: Jun 17 2020, 12:32 PM

So far i paid everything the SC wants me to. Even using full synthetic as per advised. And few other thingy.

Survival driver. Parliament - Putrajaya = 20 to 30 minutes

For once I totally concur with the SC and have been practsing so for umpteen decades .
Generally, all my tyres stay in the same 'corner' from new to end of life (of say 115k km) .........
on several different cars till todate .

Edit:Yes, end of life of 115k km for an XM2 at the same corner 'untouched' till its 'end' .
So much on extended tyre life for 'regular periodic tyre rotations' which sounds like a myth to me .

This post has been edited by zeng: Jun 20 2020, 11:25 AM

Yes, a particular tyre and rim 'assembly or combination' stays intact during a tyre rotation .

But can see the front tyres thinning whereas the rear are still like new.

Depends on driving style and route

If you mostly drive in city or town with many corners, front tyre will wear out faster, than those who drive mostly on straight highways.

It is normal for front tyres to wear faster than rear tyres .
In this typical scenario that happens regularly to most other car models as well , I don't buy the idea of rotating tyres (front to/fro back) with a view to even out the wear pattern so as to simultananeously later replace all 4 tyres at one go .
Instead, I just leave it alone and let the 'worn' front tyres continue its use on same position till say, 1.6 mm tyre depth . By then I would replace only 2 tyres to replace the worn front tyres , retaining and continue to use the serviceable rear set of tyres .By this I think better value for money in tyre replacement is better achieved .

I see no point in the frequently advocated practice of replacing at one go all 4 tyres ! It is not like replacing tyres require so many months of prebooking , and the actual replacement jobs takes weeks to accomplish ..... burning one big hole in the wallet in an instant .

This post has been edited by zeng: Jun 22 2020, 12:45 PM

The idea of rotating the tire was to ensure a balance grip & wear level among the 4 tires... hence better stability & handling

Different people has different mentality.... However I would advised people to change all 4 tires at the same time if possible.

And I understand not everyone can afford to change all 4 tires at the same time.... in that case, I would strongly recommend that the new tires should always goes to the rear (never to the front). I wont waste time explaining why, just go to YouTube and search for new tire, front or rear.... you'll get the reason behind it...

Just a reminder to all... Tires are the most important component on the car. Its what keeping your car on the road.... Get the best tire that you can afford. Think of your safety & the safety of your loved one in the car with you...

Actually rotating the tyres gives more life as on FWD, the steering and accelerating on front tyres make the fronts more rounded (the treads' sides near sidewall wear more) as compared to rear tyres ("running straight all the time like railway tracks")..

This was my PS3 rears (which seem to give the idea that I drive gently but in reality I always whack corners) : https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=97178276

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Think about it, what if rotating tires actually wears them out faster?

A tire used to roll forward then gets rolled backwards, meaning it has to be broken in again.
A straight line rear tire from the rear now gets rolled backwards, and driven in the case of FWD tire just gets worn out faster than it should be.

A tire with properly worn in pattern provides better weight distribution during roll, and grip. Imagine if we can change our shoe soles from left to right, we would have to break in the soles again, how that affects treadwear and grip?

One thing worth try, is to rotate only one side front back. Or, cross rotate front left and rear right. Leave the other set alone. See how that goes?

What you say about faster wear after rotating tyres or change 'position' or 'contacting surface profile' or multiple times of 'broken-in' makes perfect sense , IMO . Unfortunately this 'negative' phenomenon is being kept aside or hidden from consumers.

I respect your views and opinion and its an interesting point of view, but if what you said is true, why I dont find many, if there's any, articles or other automotives forum, websites, quora disagree with tyre rotation?