I LOL-ed. Everyone is talking about AI. AI is plain stupid unless u talk about playing chess.
In no way they can beat human in chat conversation and professional player in strategy game.

Even my 12 years old niece also chat better than best proclaimed AI chatbot.

Those of you play RPG/strategy game oredi know. So-called (hard difficulty more) just having more resources, more damage, or faster response than normal....

U see already know. They develop AI to defeat best player in chess. But they don't dare do the same for strategy game.
I challenge someone to develop AI that able to win 5 vs 5 game (MOBA legend and DOTA) in international tournament.





This post has been edited by pigeot23: Jun 12 2020, 11:39 PM

ok

AI is stupid. Artificially stupid.
But some countries are stupid.
They think AI is intelligent not stupid

got ask ur mom?

everest someone say u stupid. defend yourself

ask you niece to correct this

MOCPTEITONI

But the OpenAI project had that AI that can beat 99% human players. And it was limited to what a human can do too.

This post has been edited by red_satu: Jun 13 2020, 12:09 AM

I can confidently call you sohai when you try to equate game "AI" with AI

AI is stupid, until someone made it smart.

2 Minutes Paper

Plot twist. TS IS AI BOT

AI is sad

Lol kesian TS never heard of Deepmind.

They pay fuckin well.

Because it is not AI

AI has been getting a lot of media attention lately. The thing is... true AI does not exist as of now. It's all just math right now and it lacks..I guess you can say "creativity" and "self-thinking".

Right now AI basically statistics on steroids. It beats players in Chess or Go simply because it has computations far beyond a human can do. For example a chess player may see 10-20 steps ahead, but for AI that's basically unlimited.

In a way, you are right. AI is stupid because it is unable to learn in an original way.

edit: the thing is for true AI there's a lot of questions to be answered like self-consciousness. It's not an easy thing and I do not think true AI can ever exist based on our current understanding.

This post has been edited by trojandude: Jun 13 2020, 12:06 AM

Dude there's already AI developed that beat Dota Pros like Dendi





This post has been edited by Oklahoma: Jun 13 2020, 12:05 AM

lul
OpenAI edi got for MOBA
machem biasa la ktard
TS bodo donno wot happening but want tokok kuat

AI not bodo, but they just restricted n limited to wot programmers set them to be
if dev made AI super power, later TS cry fadermader said game difficult unforgiving unfair

This post has been edited by bukankhadam: Jun 13 2020, 12:10 AM

IIRC, this OpenAI is limited because they're given limited set of hero pool.

And again...OpenAI works because they're fed with data created by guess what...humans.

Unless OpenAI can self-learn, in a way, it is stupid. It lacks creativity. Depends how you view things ya know

This post has been edited by trojandude: Jun 13 2020, 12:09 AM

There is no 1 single AI that covers everything. AI at the moment cover specialized field. Even facial human emotion AI only works for just that. Visual human emotion. No one can actually tie that to actual emotion. Whats more tie it to conversation. They are trying it with SOPHIA. Which gives out weird and hilarious results.

TS thinking of AI now is based on application of sets of programmed instructions. The ones that scientist trying to make is learning AI & not directive AI.

The AI the media keep focus on, actually is not AI that u mention. @.@

Lol next time,

if u kana some disease, its the AI who diagnose and operation for u, then that time u will insaf lol.

Well yeah, but according to TS, AI can't beat professionals in strategy game. Laughable. I guess he's just one of those miserable fellas that's worrying about AI taking over his job.

Lol then what is machine learning?

While true that current AI is just an application of math and statistics, any AI based on deep learning at least tries to emulate the learning process and refines those every time it plays. The problem is the things it learns must be curated as it doesn't have the "common sense" humans have. A good example usually given was one AI made to play a racing game just keep collecting tokens to earn points instead of racing because it determined that was the most efficient way of winning.

Of course TS mught just mean there's no true AGI yet, that you can tell to do anything you want. All AI now needs careful management of its domain to even function properly.

lol i tot this is anwar ibrahim bash tered

Machine learning simply "learns" from preexisting data and does some statistical analysis and tells you the best answer based on historical data.

Can a ML model generate its own data and learn from it? Can a ML model provide you with creative solutions that is not based on old data? Put it this way. Create two chess ML models and let them play against each other and see how far they can go. After awhile, let the model play against a human chess player. I do not think they would even remotely come close to beating a good human chess player.

Machine learning does not have "common-sense". It's just statistics.

This post has been edited by trojandude: Jun 13 2020, 12:25 AM

Are you drunk dude?

I dare you. Go to http://botor.no and challenge yourself. take a screenshot of your final result and paste here.

Game developer can actually produce unbeatable A.I at all cost if they want to... Then no one will be playing the game because it is unbeatable, is not good for their business.

Developer can give AI map hack, it know where player are and running away when player engage it and hunt player when player hunting in forest / hunting roshan and equip the AI with 100% last kill rate and 100 % denied rate, it can calculate accurately the damage and creep hit point. That is practically a cheat for the computer. if the developer want to do that.

This post has been edited by wanted111who: Jun 13 2020, 12:52 AM

LOL? you just came out from cave bro? There's already OpenAI that defeats the 2 times dota world champion

Also every now and then, there'll always be stupid people like TS that said AI can't do much, same goes to the guy that said AI cannot defeat Garry Kasparov.

AI already helped robots like Boston Dynamics run and do backflip, next they'll be charging in your doors with M17.

Don't be ignorant, the end is getting nearer.

maphack for AI isn't the best argument here, I suggest you understand what AI truly does in youtube, search for Two Minute Papers.

Can't blame him. Malaysia exposure to this kind of high tech field is really terrible.
The last paper i read, 1 lab already getting some impressive results.

lol TS b4 bash research
yeah AI gonna be good assistant for you

This post has been edited by mousqy: Jun 13 2020, 01:08 AM

ever heard of unsupervised and reinforcement learning? it doesn't necessarily requires a subset of data and mimic it.

AI > average Malaysian > ahli politik malaysia.

I know some dude in US/Canada highschool can complete our UM's Master Degree thesis, what more can I say about this country, if you are active in oversea forums, a lot of scholars think our country's Master cert is toilet paper.

Right, but how about economic? With 100% last kill and denied rate, it can earn money then place many ward, and with that, it's not consider as map hack, but AI can see the map and it can pick its fight, it will decide when to run away and when it want to fight. Sabotaging player in forest etc.

Finding the pathing and timing will be essential. No human can calculate as accurately as an AI. It can also calculate the cooldown of each spells and damage it can do to human character minus the unique character damage reduction and totaled up the spell combo damage. When human character hp drop to certain level where it can combo kill, it will hunt the player.

I think developer already can develop this, but really, no one will want to play against such bot.

This post has been edited by wanted111who: Jun 13 2020, 01:16 AM

boi, ai already beating pro in strategy 5v5 games

what are you talking about dude, there's already an AI called OpenAI that defeated the world champion, learn to google la, dont be close minded and expect people to spoonfeed

That's the monster AI with precision calculation, it can escape with 30 hp left.

If they improve the AI with gang bang combo timings it will be bad ass. Like making player character stun, sleep, ensare and out of action for entire fight and motive isn't to kill but it's too create an advantage of 5 v 4. Impossible for human to coordinate 5 heroes into single mind play better than the AI

Also if the AI can calculate the spell cooldown timing of human character and use that to its advantage is also damn scary.

This post has been edited by wanted111who: Jun 13 2020, 01:42 AM

AI is a scam. In a good way.

of course I know what unsupervised learning and reinforcement learning.

One thing that came to my mind was GAN models regarding the chess example that I put out.

I only wanted to point out that true AI doesn't exist, and I'm sure it doesn't.

I actually watched the match live and IIRC the hero pool was very limited. Like 15 instead of 100+. Also they essentially have "macros". If you play Meepo you would know what I mean. Human players aren't allowed to use macro keys too (competitively speaking). I also remember OpenAI initially are given "semi-maphack" and humans of course are limited to what they can see on the screen at any given instant. They can't see the entire visible map.

Great achievement nonetheless but I wouldn't call it "beating human players" yet for dota 2

This post has been edited by trojandude: Jun 13 2020, 02:05 AM

Computers cannot think by themselves so true AI doesn't exist. Any ML model out there still requires human to help them, one way or another.

Can a ML model write a good and original poetry that makes sense? When it writes it, does it understand what it's writing? Does it have any knowledge of the words its putting out? Or are they just making up sentences based on probabilities? Sure I've seen some poetry generated by some ML models out there, but does it know and understand what it's writing?

This is what I meant when I say true AI doesn't exist. It lacks the sense and touch of reality.

This post has been edited by trojandude: Jun 13 2020, 02:27 AM

correct, u need to compare them with stone age people, but they developing fast, ur grand children may compare them with ur generation

So you think the improvement has stopped? In the next ten or hundred of years, in the field of AI, we’ll still be where we are today? There’s no more OpenAI for Dota anymore since two years ago because the developers have proven their point, not because they couldn’t expand the AI anymore for Dota. Look at Alpha GO Zero, the possibilities are endless, modern computing has only been around for 10-20 years, imagine what it’ll do in the next ten years, the growth and research will only go exponential, companies are looking ways to optimise, hence AI and automation, the Industry 4.0, its real whether you believe it or not.

I never said that.

All I wanted to point out that AI is stupid...in a way

True AI isn't here yet.

This post has been edited by trojandude: Jun 13 2020, 02:32 AM

There are models for creating songs, create articles, etc, and they’re highly accurate, some of the articles you read online are generated by AI, you just didn’t know it. I highly suggest you watch couple of videos from Two Minutes Paper at YouTube, that’ll change your mind.

If you meant a singularity of AI that does everything kind of thing, perhaps, but we’re not far away.

I'm sure they exist. I do not deny that. But does it know what is writing? Does it understand what it's reading?

No models out there can understand language in a human sense. It lacks the touch of the physical reality that is sometimes needed.

edit:

You've probably seen this on Facebook before but do you think an AI model would understand this?

"The spread of coronavirus depends on 1) how dense the population is 2) how dense the population is"]

or

"I like how the battery I just bought earlier today lasted 2 minutes!"

You would know what it meant. Do you think an AI model out there would know what it meant given it's not trained on such text before?

This post has been edited by trojandude: Jun 13 2020, 02:52 AM

henry d pogi

stupid ts, not every AI is the same.

just you wait,
SKYNET will ruin your parcel.

Hello, humans stayed in cave for 5000 years without any advancement other than fire.

AI is just a collection of the if-else statements

lol bodo, if they create AI that can headshot you in split second on FPS game you can win?

AI is as smart as the ppl that program behind it. If our melei ppl program for sure that AI will vroom like no body else.

TS is AI?

I know. They got crazy mad skills, i wonder where they learnt that.

AI is Anwar Ibrahim ?

we are AI too. created by supernatural.

Point take, however you do have to admit that today there's alot of human who are not creative and cannot self thinking. Just surf /k, instagram, tiktok already can know. So in a way, yes AI can take over human cause the majority of humans are dumb.