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trojandude
post Jun 13 2020, 12:02 AM

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Because it is not AI

AI has been getting a lot of media attention lately. The thing is... true AI does not exist as of now. It's all just math right now and it lacks..I guess you can say "creativity" and "self-thinking".

Right now AI basically statistics on steroids. It beats players in Chess or Go simply because it has computations far beyond a human can do. For example a chess player may see 10-20 steps ahead, but for AI that's basically unlimited.

In a way, you are right. AI is stupid because it is unable to learn in an original way.

edit: the thing is for true AI there's a lot of questions to be answered like self-consciousness. It's not an easy thing and I do not think true AI can ever exist based on our current understanding.

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post Jun 13 2020, 12:09 AM

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QUOTE(Oklahoma @ Jun 13 2020, 12:04 AM)
Dude there's already AI developed that beat Dota Pros like Dendi


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IIRC, this OpenAI is limited because they're given limited set of hero pool.

And again...OpenAI works because they're fed with data created by guess what...humans.

Unless OpenAI can self-learn, in a way, it is stupid. It lacks creativity. Depends how you view things ya know

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post Jun 13 2020, 12:24 AM

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QUOTE(Guenhwyvar @ Jun 13 2020, 12:15 AM)
Lol then what is machine learning?  doh.gif  doh.gif
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Machine learning simply "learns" from preexisting data and does some statistical analysis and tells you the best answer based on historical data.

Can a ML model generate its own data and learn from it? Can a ML model provide you with creative solutions that is not based on old data? Put it this way. Create two chess ML models and let them play against each other and see how far they can go. After awhile, let the model play against a human chess player. I do not think they would even remotely come close to beating a good human chess player.

Machine learning does not have "common-sense". It's just statistics.

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post Jun 13 2020, 01:49 AM

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QUOTE(Ivan113 @ Jun 13 2020, 01:07 AM)
ever heard of unsupervised and reinforcement learning? it doesn't necessarily requires a subset of data and mimic it.
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of course I know what unsupervised learning and reinforcement learning.

One thing that came to my mind was GAN models regarding the chess example that I put out.

I only wanted to point out that true AI doesn't exist, and I'm sure it doesn't.
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post Jun 13 2020, 02:00 AM

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QUOTE(Ivan113 @ Jun 13 2020, 01:15 AM)
what are you talking about dude, there's already an AI called OpenAI that defeated the world champion, learn to google la, dont be close minded and expect people to spoonfeed


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I actually watched the match live and IIRC the hero pool was very limited. Like 15 instead of 100+. Also they essentially have "macros". If you play Meepo you would know what I mean. Human players aren't allowed to use macro keys too (competitively speaking). I also remember OpenAI initially are given "semi-maphack" and humans of course are limited to what they can see on the screen at any given instant. They can't see the entire visible map.

Great achievement nonetheless but I wouldn't call it "beating human players" yet for dota 2

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post Jun 13 2020, 02:22 AM

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QUOTE(Guenhwyvar @ Jun 13 2020, 12:47 AM)
Are you drunk dude?  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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Computers cannot think by themselves so true AI doesn't exist. Any ML model out there still requires human to help them, one way or another.

Can a ML model write a good and original poetry that makes sense? When it writes it, does it understand what it's writing? Does it have any knowledge of the words its putting out? Or are they just making up sentences based on probabilities? Sure I've seen some poetry generated by some ML models out there, but does it know and understand what it's writing?

This is what I meant when I say true AI doesn't exist. It lacks the sense and touch of reality.

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post Jun 13 2020, 02:32 AM

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QUOTE(Ivan113 @ Jun 13 2020, 02:30 AM)
So you think the improvement has stopped? In the next ten or hundred of years, in the field of AI, we’ll still be where we are today? There’s no more OpenAI for Dota anymore since two years ago because the developers have proven their point, not because they couldn’t expand the AI anymore for Dota. Look at Alpha GO Zero, the possibilities are endless, modern computing has only been around for 10-20 years, imagine what it’ll do in the next ten years, the growth and research will only go exponential, companies are looking ways to optimise, hence AI and automation, the Industry 4.0, its real whether you believe it or not.
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I never said that.

All I wanted to point out that AI is stupid...in a way

True AI isn't here yet.

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post Jun 13 2020, 02:42 AM

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QUOTE(Ivan113 @ Jun 13 2020, 02:32 AM)
There are models for creating songs, create articles, etc, and they’re highly accurate, some of the articles you read online are generated by AI, you just didn’t know it. I highly suggest you watch couple of videos from Two Minutes Paper at YouTube, that’ll change your mind.
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I'm sure they exist. I do not deny that. But does it know what is writing? Does it understand what it's reading?

No models out there can understand language in a human sense. It lacks the touch of the physical reality that is sometimes needed.

edit:

You've probably seen this on Facebook before but do you think an AI model would understand this?

"The spread of coronavirus depends on 1) how dense the population is 2) how dense the population is"]

or

"I like how the battery I just bought earlier today lasted 2 minutes!"

You would know what it meant. Do you think an AI model out there would know what it meant given it's not trained on such text before?

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