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 Prepaid Unlimited Data & Call Price War 2020, Who will be the winner

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post Jun 19 2020, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(Candy12 @ Jun 19 2020, 04:41 PM)
Only TM's HSBB network meters usage that way because participating telcos need to be forced to route their traffic through their active equipments back to their own operation centres.

That is the reason why companies such as Time want to boycott them and rather pull their own backhaul cables.

You see the business structure of passive optical cable pulling is like this done by neutral companies such as TNB and other utility companies.

They lay fibre cables with many cores(strands) inside from one point(usually data centres/NOCs) around the city to be leased out to whoever wants it.

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Since the individual strands are leased individually hooked up the telco's own equipment/ports. You cannot charge them by traffic usage load or by quota.The passive infrastructure fibre company only leases them to the telcos to use with one flat rate and they don't need to know what the individual telcos will use it for since they're plugging it into their own switching equipment such as OLTs/base stations.

TM's HSBB Managed Network

Mobile Base Station(eNodes)--TM's HSBB switching equipment/routers--Celco's NOC

Open Network Passive Infra Network Allo/CTS/SACOFA

Mobile Base Station(eNodes)--Unused/Leased Fibre(Directly All the Way)--Celco's NOC
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https://www.skmm.gov.my/skmmgovmy/media/Gen...ess-Pricing.pdf
End-to-End Transmission Service within Peninsular
Malaysia and within Sabah and Sarawak 5 Gbps (RM/month) ......... 46,078(2018), 41,543(2019), 38,144(2020)
End-to-End Transmission Service between Peninsular
Malaysia and Sabah and Sarawak 5 Gbps (RM/month) ....................191,934(2018) 176,109(2019) 163,001(2020)


If celcos are not paying TM HSBB Fiber for backhaul connections within Peninsular Malaysia, they still have to pay TM for backhaul connection between Peninsular Malaysia and Sabah/Sarawak, plus between Malaysia and the world wide web/www via monopoly-TM's submarine cables.
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post Jun 19 2020, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(Suno @ Jun 19 2020, 04:46 PM)
maxis still pay Rm88.50 to TM for 30Mbps subscription? Now price just Rm89 is not mistaken. So little profit then how? Or maxis just treat it as advertising campaign ah although less profit?
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I think Maxis is banking on getting more customers to subscribe for its bundled Fiber+Astro IPTV service = costs a total of about RM200 per month.
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post Jun 19 2020, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(azhar75 @ Jun 19 2020, 04:55 PM)
Finally being throttled for CUP35:

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QUOTE(Suno @ Jun 19 2020, 04:58 PM)
CUP is celcom? How much data you used until throttled you? so bad. celcom want you to add money for extra data?
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Should be at about 150GB because yesterday azhar75 already used up 122GB on his 3rd day with Celcom CUP35/XUP35 without being throttled.
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post Jun 19 2020, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Jun 19 2020 @ 05:06 PM)
I think Maxis is banking on getting more customers to subscribe for its bundled Fiber+Astro IPTV service = costs a total of about RM200 per month.
QUOTE(Candy12 @ Jun 19 2020, 05:10 PM)
RM99 only. 30Mbps FTTH bundled with 10GB all data + 10GB Youtube + Unlimited Calls/SMS Hotlink Flex Home Fibre.
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https://www.fibre-maxis.com.my/maxis-iptv/

Average price of the Maxis Fiber + Astro IPTV bundle is RM178 per month.

Watching Astro programs via Maxis Fiber IPTV does not need to go through the satellite dish = no service disruption by rain.
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post Jun 19 2020, 10:28 PM

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Tentatively;

Official FUP limit for Maxis HUP35 for daily/weekly/monthly = 5GB/15GB/50GB ; throttled speed = 0.5Mbps.

Unofficial FUP limit for UUP38/GX38 = 80GB used in 2 days = could also be the monthly limit - to be confirmed ; throttled speed = 0.05Mbps to 0.23Mbps ; may only be throttled for 1 day, ie unthrottled the next day.

Unofficial FUP limit for Celcom CUP35 = 150GB used in 4 days = could also be the monthly limit - to be confirmed ; throttled speed = 0.12Mbps to 0.26Mbps but upload speed not throttled.

azhar75 Any comment, please.
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post Jun 20 2020, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(azhar75 @ Jun 19 2020, 04:55 PM)
Finally being throttled for CUP35:

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QUOTE(azhar75 @ Jun 20 2020, 09:25 AM)
Now that my CUP35 is throttled, how me---owww wish the CUP35 to be like this everyday...

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Now is 1 day after your Celcom CUP35/XUP35 was throttled for exceeding about 150GB of data used. Is your CUP35/XUP35 still being throttled now.?

In comparison, 2 days ago your UMobile UUP38/GX38 was only throttled for 1 day after exceeding 80GB, ie unthrottled the next day. Your call to UMobile could have been a factor for the unthrottling.
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post Jun 22 2020, 06:39 PM

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QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ Jun 22 2020, 06:20 PM)
But based on this Bangkok Post article, once FUP of 50GB is hit, speed will slowdown to 512kbps, not 10Mbps.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/192598...online-sim-card
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Another user-problem, posting wrong information about "superior" Thai celco with throttled speed of 10Mbps after 50GB usage. Again, not a celco-problem.
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post Jun 23 2020, 10:29 AM

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Mana Digi DUP35 Mana.? laugh.gif
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post Jun 23 2020, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Jun 23 2020 @ 10:29 AM)
Mana Digi DUP35 Mana.? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(azhar75 @ Jun 23 2020, 10:36 AM)
Kucing ada bau pertelagahan antara agents akan berlaku sebenar nanti... LOL...
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Maxis came out with HUP35 on 4 June 2020. Until today, ie 23 June, still no response from Digi = likely abstaining from this prepaid war.

Digi should have come out with DUP35 = eg 4Mbps, 4GB of hotspot, no video-streaming cap, monthly FUP limit of 100GB and subsequent throttled speed of 512kbps = can be the outright winner.
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post Jun 23 2020, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(MNF0 @ Jun 23 2020, 12:37 PM)
What do you mean by fake advertising? I have a friend considering UM plan. I might be able to give him a heads-up.
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QUOTE(PJng @ Jun 21 2020 @ 09:48 PM)
3G 4G on same spot, outdoor, somewhere on Bangsar

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https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=97221145

Myself/GX50 in Klang Valley, Khuan0813/GX30 in Ipoh, azhar75/GX38 in Kuala Kangsar and millions of other UMobile subscribers have no major 4G network problem.

Before testing with a disposable prepaid Starter Pack, users should also first check the celco's 4G coverage map before subscribing.

The range of a 4G cell tower is up to 3 miles/5km for Internet data and 10 to 30 miles for voice calls. Network congestion, location, walls/highrise building obstruction, 4G signal interference by other radio signals, etc can affect 4G signal reception and strength.
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post Jun 23 2020, 01:24 PM

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[quote=nexona88,Jun 23 2020, 01:21 PM]
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All the past & current experiences of U Mobile users...
Many have same thing to say.. services sucks but offering & pricing is good...

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Wrong formatting.?
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post Jun 23 2020, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(azhar75 @ Jun 23 2020, 01:25 PM)
Too many quotes sampai rosak the quote function... LOL...
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Maybe he kena Satellite jammer or phone jammer. laugh.gif
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post Jun 23 2020, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(Candy12 @ Jun 23 2020 @ 12:50 PM)
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What's the point of selling 2 overlapping plans which one gives 1GB daily between (1pm-7pm) and another which only gives 2GB for on-time renewals with both giving unlimited calls?
Crazy 
QUOTE(tympg @ Jun 23 2020, 01:38 PM)
Right now I am on biGBonus 28 with 1GB 1-7pm daily as well as a monthly claimable loyalty bonus 2GB.  No confusion here.
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May be confusion for new prepaid subscribers after they bought the Digi Starter Pack.
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post Jun 23 2020, 02:46 PM

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Nothing to be confused about...
Sim pack got write Best, Live or NEXT clearly...


What the heck.! Even buying the Digi prepaid Starter Pack is already confusion for new customers - Best, Live or Next.? ... What next.? Prepaid Future.?
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post Jun 23 2020, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Jun 23 2020 @ 10:29 AM)
Mana Digi DUP35 Mana.? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(azhar75 @ Jun 23 2020, 10:36 AM)
Kucing ada bau pertelagahan antara agents akan berlaku sebenar nanti... LOL...
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QUOTE(azhar75 @ Jun 23 2020, 11:27 AM)
The Yellow Momok edy surrender...
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

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Sudah ada, tapi .......

QUOTE(tympg @ Jun 23 2020, 12:40 PM)
Well, this is in my BoS today:

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But I'm not taking it as my usage is too low.  I wish I could pass this on to others who really want it.

Digi marketing people need to get a slap in the face for making this selective.
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https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=97238992

Wonder what is the hotspot quota, monthly FUP limit and subsequent throttled speed for DUP35.? Got video-streaming cap.? Bila you mahu kasi test.?
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post Jun 27 2020, 08:38 PM

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QUOTE(azhar75 @ Jun 27 2020, 03:21 PM)
Based on individual experience(s), me---owww's  ranking are as follows :

Gold Medal = GX38
Silver Medal = CUP35
Bronze Medal = HUP35
Honorable Mention = Unifi Mobile #BEBAS Weekly Unlimited; DiGi Prepaid BOS and & YES Prepaid Konfem Unlimited Plan.

Sure got ppl "angry" with this ranking...LOL...
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As long as users' locations are well-covered by the 3 warring celcos' 4G networks, UMobile's GX38 should win this June 2020 war for the affordable prepaid RM35 per month "unlimited" data and calls 4G phone plan market.
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post Jun 27 2020, 08:51 PM

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Jun 27 2020, 06:42 PM)
air broadband = mobile broadband
it proofs that fixed land line (fiber or copper) is still not as common as we think.
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QUOTE(budi1413 @ Jun 27 2020, 07:39 PM)
not everyone have fixed/fiber line at home.

air broadband sharing data with mobile also.

we have so many foreigner working in malaysia. i dont think banggala or indonesian install fiber broadband in their house. all of them just use mobile data.

dont forget also our country full of abuser until telco need to implement fup.
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QUOTE(eaglehelang @ Jun 27 2020, 08:29 PM)
A lot of people dont use home broadband these days.
Among my colleagues, 2/10 use Unifi or Streamyx. I am one of the 2.

Among my customers, families might still use, singles no.
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I foresee fixed Home/Office Fiber Internet will be made obsolete by mobile cellular 5G and/or 6G Internet or mobile broadband = TM will be left with only its fixed HSBB Fiber network and submarine Fiber cables as backhaul connections for 5G/6G cell towers for Internet data or mobile broadband.
....... All the celcos need to do is to add many more cell towers(= more capacity) to minimize 5G/6G network congestion. The celcos should also be merged to leave only 2 or 3 big players, in order to minimize duplication of cell tower infrastructures.
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QUOTE(MNet @ Jun 27 2020, 10:11 PM)
u think so easy to put more cell tower?
Good for thoughts, will u give them to put cell tower at ur home or condo?
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https://www.fiercewireless.com/5g/nyc-allow...ent-streetlamps - NYC allows 5G equipment on streetlamps - Feb 4, 2020

''''''' Recently, the New York City Department of Information Technology and Telecommunications approved 10 franchise agreements with several companies to install 5G equipment on streetlamps and some traffic-light poles.

The companies are: Crown Castle, CSC Wireless (affiliated with Altice), ExteNet Systems, New Cingular Wireless PCS (affiliated with AT&T), New York SMSA Limited Partnership (affiliated with Verizon), Transit Wireless (serving all four major carriers), and ZenFi Networks. The latest franchise agreements are in effect for 10 years. ...

For example, with mmWave antennas, it’s probably better to mount them higher than 15 feet so their transmissions are not obstructed by so many objects. '''''''


Imagine one day in the future, many streetlights or electricity poles outside our homes or condos in Malaysia mounted with 5G mmWave cells (= 26GHz - 86GHz) that will give us Internet data at 1Gbps.!
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_site
''''''' In practice, cell sites are grouped in areas of high population density, with the most potential users. Cell phone traffic through a single site is limited by the base station's capacity; there is a finite number of calls or data traffic that a base station can handle at once. This capacity limitation is commonly the factor that determines the spacing of cell mast sites. In suburban areas, masts are commonly spaced 1–2 miles (2–3 km) apart and in dense urban areas, masts may be as close as ¼-½ mile (400–800 m) apart. '''''''

In sparsely-populated rural areas that are near the main roads, the 4G/3G cell towers(= 600MHz - 6GHz) should be around 6 miles apart since the maximum range of a cell tower for Internet data is only 3 miles - for voice calls, it is about 30 miles.
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post Jun 28 2020, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(azhar75 @ Jun 27 2020, 08:30 PM)
"Modded Modem" is the caused...LOL... PATI contributes as well...
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Jun 28 2020, 08:55 AM)
I can assure you we will have 5G plan with 1GB data cap & 64kbps throttled speed. This reality will not change.

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There are too many idiots streaming 720p (or better) videos on phones, or even playing 720p videos just for the audio alone.
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Today, which celcos' 4G phone plans come with 1GB data cap or monthly FUP limit.?

I think celcos have been imposing monthly FUP limits mainly because they wanted to save costs/expenses by not building more cell towers = more network congestion, especially in urban areas = imposed FUP to ease network congestion which they themselves have caused.
....... TM HSBB Fiber charges celcos wholesale prices only for bandwidth, not for the amount of data consumed, eg about RM90 for 30Mbps throughput = RM9 for 3Mbps. That is why Digi iInfinite 150 can give a monthly FUP limit of 1TB which can be manually reset by calling CS = got one subscriber used > 4TB of data per month.
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post Jun 28 2020, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Jun 27 2020 @ 11:50 PM)
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https://www.fiercewireless.com/5g/nyc-allow...ent-streetlamps - NYC allows 5G equipment on streetlamps - Feb 4, 2020

''''''' Recently, the New York City Department of Information Technology and Telecommunications approved 10 franchise agreements with several companies to install 5G equipment on streetlamps and some traffic-light poles.

The companies are: Crown Castle, CSC Wireless (affiliated with Altice), ExteNet Systems, New Cingular Wireless PCS (affiliated with AT&T), New York SMSA Limited Partnership (affiliated with Verizon), Transit Wireless (serving all four major carriers), and ZenFi Networks. The latest franchise agreements are in effect for 10 years. ...

For example, with mmWave antennas, it’s probably better to mount them higher than 15 feet so their transmissions are not obstructed by so many objects. '''''''


Imagine one day in the future, many streetlights or electricity poles outside our homes or condos in Malaysia mounted with 5G mmWave cells (= 26GHz - 86GHz) that will give us Internet data at 1Gbps.!
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_site
''''''' In practice, cell sites are grouped in areas of high population density, with the most potential users. Cell phone traffic through a single site is limited by the base station's capacity; there is a finite number of calls or data traffic that a base station can handle at once. This capacity limitation is commonly the factor that determines the spacing of cell mast sites. In suburban areas, masts are commonly spaced 1–2 miles (2–3 km) apart and in dense urban areas, masts may be as close as ¼-½ mile (400–800 m) apart. '''''''

In sparsely-populated rural areas that are near the main roads, the 4G/3G cell towers(= 600MHz - 6GHz) should be around 6 miles apart since the maximum range of a cell tower for Internet data is only 3 miles - for voice calls, it is about 30 miles.
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Jun 28 2020, 08:55 AM)
I can assure you we will have 5G plan with 1GB data cap & 64kbps throttled speed. This reality will not change.

salahan device  doh.gif
There are too many idiots streaming 720p (or better) videos on phones, or even playing 720p videos just for the audio alone.
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Jun 28 2020 @ 10:13 AM)
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Today, which celcos' 4G phone plans come with 1GB data cap or monthly FUP limit.?

I think celcos have been imposing monthly FUP limits mainly because they wanted to save costs/expenses by not building more cell towers = more network congestion, especially in urban areas = imposed FUP to ease network congestion which they themselves have caused.
....... TM HSBB Fiber charges celcos wholesale prices only for bandwidth, not  for the amount of data consumed, eg about RM90 for 30Mbps throughput = RM9 for 3Mbps. That is why Digi iInfinite 150 can give a monthly FUP limit of 1TB which can be manually reset by calling CS = got one subscriber used > 4TB of data per month.
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Jun 28 2020, 12:40 PM)
Do check out those super cheap plan from mvno.
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MVNOs will not be erecting 5G mmWave small cells atop streetlights or utility poles.

Today, celcos charge about RM50 for 10GB of data per month for their 4G phone plans with data caps/quotas = 1GB would costs RM5 per month. Got postpaid 4G phone plans from MVNOs that cost about RM10 per month with 1GB data cap/quota.?

Eg ....... https://www.u.com.my/plans/postpaid/unlimited-hero-postpaid = postpaid UMobile Hero P79 costs RM79 for 20GB per month.
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