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post Jul 15 2020, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Jul 15 2020, 10:49 AM)
Pros like u no need to invest in ETF.! Too little meat as u said.

But I give u an example how etf is used. Let's say now u think is a good time to buy into airlines related stock. Because you look at SARS experience, airlines stocks jumped a lot once pandemic was over. But you not sure which airlines, and for sure you hated AirAsia.. 😆. So u not sure whether to buy SIA, Delta or SATS or MAHB. U haven't the time to do really in depth research.  So.. u just buy JETS. That's an ETF that invests in global airlines business.

So it's the same thought process for S&P500, Qqq, bond etfs, commodity etfs etc.
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but thanks for your detailed explanation ya....
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post Jul 15 2020, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Jul 15 2020, 10:23 AM)
Can lose money one.. Standard market risk. This will depend on the market the ETF is investing in.
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Also, there are such a thing as inverse ETF, or leveraged 2x ETFs so it's twice the gains/losses.

of course you won't get stellar gains like gloves (since it's all spread out across multiple stocks)

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post Jul 15 2020, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(Medufsaid @ Jul 15 2020, 03:52 PM)
Also, there are such a thing as inverse ETF, or leveraged 2x ETFs so it's twice the gains/losses.

of course you won't get stellar gains like gloves (since it's all spread out across multiple stocks)
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Beware of inverse or leverage ETFs. These are only good for short trade if you got your timing right...got them wrong, you'll get burnt
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post Jul 29 2020, 07:21 PM

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Exploring the Top Performing ETFs on Bursa Malaysia

Since they are traded in stock markets, high-performing ETFs can appreciate in price on top of providing investors with dividends, making them an attractive long-term investment option. In Malaysia, three ETFs that stood out due to their outstanding performance in the last 12 months are:

1. TradePlus Shariah Gold Tracker
Investment focus: Physical gold
1-year total return: 28.65%*

2. TradePlus S&P New China Tracker
Investment focus: Equities focusing on China’s New Economy
1-year total return: 23.88%*

3. MyETF MSCI Malaysia Islamic Dividend
Investment focus: Shariah-compliant Malaysia-listed stocks
1-year total return: 16.71%*

In addition to the above, Bursa Malaysia also had on 15 July 2020, the listing of two NEW ETFs, namely:

1. TradePlus DWA Malaysia Momentum Tracker
Investment focus: Malaysian Equities

2. TradePlus MSCI Asia ex Japan REITs Tracker
Investment focus: REITs listed in Asia ex-Japan

https://ringgitplus.com/en/blog/sponsored/e...Pifqznl-MA5_Uvg
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post Sep 21 2020, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ May 13 2020, 09:44 AM)
Trading fee is cheaper than normal trading as etf is not charge wirh stamp duty. The management fee and trustee fee is not charged on transaction but charged on the fund. This is normal for all ETF in the world..

But I don't like 0820EA, very bad liquidity n tracking. There are other more decent ETFs on bursa that I own.
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How was the return? Got capital gain? i saw they only pay dividend once per year and some are few cents only? Then i buy other stocks better?
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post Sep 22 2020, 12:34 AM

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QUOTE(tiffanycla @ Sep 21 2020, 06:05 PM)
How was the return? Got capital gain? i saw they only pay dividend once per year and some are few cents only? Then i buy other stocks better?
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1-year total returns (based on yesterday closing price) of the Bursa ETFs that I hold long term:

0800 EA Malaysia bond = + 7.81%*

* this include dividends

0828EA Gold = + 26.29%

0829EA New China = + 32.22%

** no dividends for the last two.

ETFs and stocks are a bit different mindsets. I have both stocks and ETFs. And I also own ETFs on SGX and HKEX.

This post has been edited by Cubalagi: Sep 22 2020, 12:40 AM
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post Sep 23 2020, 01:24 AM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Sep 22 2020, 01:34 AM)
1-year total returns (based on yesterday closing price) of the Bursa ETFs that I hold long term:

0800 EA Malaysia bond = + 7.81%*

* this include dividends

0828EA Gold = + 26.29%

0829EA New China = + 32.22%

** no dividends for the last two.

ETFs and stocks are a bit different mindsets. I have both stocks and ETFs. And I also own ETFs on SGX and HKEX.
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Hi, would like to heard your opinion.

I am holding some blue ship stocks and still buying more as it is cheaper now. At the same time I am having TradePlus Asia Ex-Japan ETF and Wahed robot advisor, both of the have ETF.

Since the TradePlus just launched this year and not sure of the dividend distribution. Since ETF dividend is based on the issuer discretion, should I invest consistently or increase the volume when it is low price, if in the bad scenario that the issuer does not give dividend then the only return that I can get is through selling some portion of the ETF when it is at high price.

Taking the same amount of money invested in ETF and buying some dividend stock, will it be wiser?
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post Sep 23 2020, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(rocketm @ Sep 23 2020, 01:24 AM)
Hi, would like to heard your opinion.

I am holding some blue ship stocks and still buying more as it is cheaper now. At the same time I am having TradePlus Asia Ex-Japan ETF and Wahed robot advisor, both of the have ETF.

Since the TradePlus just launched this year and not sure of the dividend distribution. Since ETF dividend is based on the issuer discretion, should I invest consistently or increase the volume when it is low price, if in the bad scenario that the issuer does not give dividend then the only return that I can get is through selling some portion of the ETF when it is at high price.

Taking the same amount of money invested in ETF and buying some dividend stock, will it be wiser?
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The Trade plus ETF you own is an ETF that invests in Reits, mostly in Singapore but some Reits in HK, Malaysia n South Korea. A total of 29 reits. Reits are of course consistent dividend payers, so once the ETF has accumulated enough it will start paying dividends.

The performance of this ETF will depend on how the Reit sector in Asia Pac perform, particularly the Singapore Reits. So u have to think ahead, probably 1-2 years ahead after this Covid crisis. This should be a long term and diversification strategiy investment. Not a short term investment. Consider your overall portfolio of investments. If you are clear of why you own it, then don't worry too much about it.

I studied this ETF when they were offering it, but I didnt invest in it. This is because I already have a big chunk exposure to Singapore via other instruments, meaning I already have a exposure to Singapore Reits without this ETF.




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post Nov 27 2020, 03:35 PM

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im thinking of putting some funds into affin's FANGx2 leveraged ETFs, as a proxy to FANG stocks

For the long run, probably 20 year horizon. Is there a holding period for ETFs?
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post Nov 27 2020, 03:36 PM

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Also, any comments about the FANGX2 etf?

I see decent returns past 3 months around 27%, and from market crash in March till now close to 150%

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post Nov 27 2020, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(juvaan @ Nov 27 2020, 03:36 PM)
Also, any comments about the FANGX2 etf?

I see decent returns past 3 months around 27%, and from market crash in March till now close to 150%
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Too volatile for my investment style..

N u need to be qualified by a broker.. Not all brokers willing to open this counter for u.



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post Nov 27 2020, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Nov 27 2020, 03:53 PM)
Too volatile for my investment style..

N u need to be qualified by a broker.. Not all brokers willing to open this counter for u.
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I dont get it. Means we cant buy in even if we wanted?
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post Nov 27 2020, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(juvaan @ Nov 27 2020, 04:10 PM)
I dont get it. Means we cant buy in even if we wanted?
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The regulator when approving this product made it a regulation that investors must ether be sophisticated (high net worth) or have watched a training video before they can trade. The regulation require that broker must check this before customer is allowed to trade it.

https://www.bursaacademy.bursamarketplace.c...estment-journey

Of course, some (many) Malaysian brokers are just too lazy to enforce this, so they just simply don't open it for their customers.

I know for eg. Rakuten doesn't open this for their customers. So u need to try or check with your broker.

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post Jan 31 2021, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(rocketm @ Sep 23 2020, 01:24 AM)
Hi, would like to heard your opinion.

I am holding some blue ship stocks and still buying more as it is cheaper now. At the same time I am having TradePlus Asia Ex-Japan ETF and Wahed robot advisor, both of the have ETF.

Since the TradePlus just launched this year and not sure of the dividend distribution. Since ETF dividend is based on the issuer discretion, should I invest consistently or increase the volume when it is low price, if in the bad scenario that the issuer does not give dividend then the only return that I can get is through selling some portion of the ETF when it is at high price.

Taking the same amount of money invested in ETF and buying some dividend stock, will it be wiser?
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It is better to buy ETF at bursa or through Robo-advisor like Wahed. I am looking for no management fees the better.
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post Jan 31 2021, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(kelvinfixx @ Jan 31 2021, 08:49 AM)
It is better to buy ETF at bursa or through Robo-advisor like Wahed. I am looking for no management fees the better.
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It depends both are on different class itself like comparing Apple with Samsung

Management fees is unavoidable just look for lowest fees versus highest returns in order for you to maximise gains rclxms.gif
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post Jan 31 2021, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(kelvinfixx @ Jan 31 2021, 08:49 AM)
It is better to buy ETF at bursa or through Robo-advisor like Wahed. I am looking for no management fees the better.
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Basically ur question is whether to buy an ETF direct (via broker) or indirect (via Robo-advisor).

If direct, u only pay management fee for the ETF but u pay brokerage.

If indirect, you pay management fee for the ETF and the management fee of the robo-advisor, but you do not pay brokerage and there is no sales charge as well.

I would say it would depend on (a) how much you want to invest in and (b) how diligent you are in studying the etfs.

If your ticket size is small, say u want to invest small amounts monthly then go robo-advisor

If you are not diligent to study ETF, n just want to "invest in ETFs" then go robo-advisor.

Otherwise, u should try buy ETF directly or try out both direct n indirect.

This post has been edited by Cubalagi: Jan 31 2021, 09:30 AM
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post Feb 1 2021, 08:42 PM

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I've been looking through the ETFs available and found these three interesting based on their 10 year average annualized performance:
Principal FTSE China 50 ETF (0823EA)
Average total return 5.30% since inception in 2010 as of 2019.
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Principal FTSE ASEAN 40 Malaysia ETF (0822EA)
Average total return 6.81% since inception in 2010 as of 2019.
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MyETF Dow Jones U.S. Titans 50
For this one I took a look at the underlying benchmark as the ETF itself was only listed in 2018.
Average total return 14.47% since for 10 years as of 2021.
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The ex Japan REIT ETF also looks interesting but I'll give it some time to see performance first.
For this one I took a look at the underlying benchmark as the ETF itself was only listed in 2020.
Average total return 6.03% since for 10 years as of 2020.
Source
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post Feb 2 2021, 09:00 AM

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QUOTE(jojojoget @ Feb 1 2021, 08:42 PM)
I've been looking through the ETFs available and found these three interesting based on their 10 year average annualized performance:

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Looking at annualized performance for past 10 years is not the way to invest in ETF. That is mutual fund/unit trust thinking. It's like driving based on looking at rear view mirror.

This post has been edited by Cubalagi: Feb 2 2021, 09:00 AM
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post Feb 5 2021, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Feb 2 2021, 09:00 AM)
Looking at annualized performance for past 10 years is not the way to invest in ETF. That is mutual fund/unit trust thinking. It's like driving based on looking at rear view mirror.
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Hi, you're right, I did get this way of analysis from experience with mutual funds. How then should I evaluate ETFs?
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post Feb 6 2021, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(jojojoget @ Feb 5 2021, 12:16 PM)
Hi, you're right, I did get this way of analysis from experience with mutual funds. How then should I evaluate ETFs?
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An ETF tracks an index. The index is a representation of an aset class, a country or a sector.

So first I will study the index and see if I want such an asset in my portfolio. Then what I do is to have a view of where the index or asset class is going to be in the future. This can be in the form of a high level fundamental macro analysis or a technical analysis or both.

This analysis doesn't have to be too complicated. However, looking at annualized return is not helpful and can even be misleading. U can miss huge rallies and be entering at market peaks. I saw this happen to many unit trust investors. They were seduced by high annualized 5 year returns shown by unit trust salesmen, withdrew their EPF and then came to regret. Last year, if one base decision on past average historical returns, one would have missed the big equities rally. This is what I mean by driving using rear view mirror.

This post has been edited by Cubalagi: Feb 6 2021, 09:40 AM

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