Hey guys, I decided to open thread in here as I am seeking serious inputs and constructive feedback from fellow forumers who might have been in the same shoe before. So here's the backstory which led to my current predicament..

Item involved: Tag Heuer Formula 1 CAZ 1014
Monies involved: 2 grand
Seller based: Bukit Mertajam
Leverage on hand: Seller's bank account details, personal FB, Contact number, address on parcel

Few days ago I bought Tagheuer off a random reseller in Penang. The seller claimed the watch is legit and authentic and the pictures/videos he provided all check out fine. I then requested for his references which he managed to screenshot all his past sold ads to prove that he has been selling in that marketplace for long and ask me to deal with confidence.

So the naive me decided to give him a benefit of doubt, and proceeded transferring 2k instantly to his bank acc. He then immediately shipped out the parcel in 20 mins time. Everything seems smooth sailing and I didnt suspect anything was amiss until I received the parcel earlier... and found out it looks super off irl.. It is those grade AAA version from china. To further confirm my doubts, i cross check with various sources and compare with my own collection and thats was the moment i realize i just got fking scammed.. Tried contacting him afterwards but he blocked me outright and didn't answer any calls since then.. whats new right.

I then went to lodge police report. I mentioned to popo there was a misrepresentation and the seller fraudulently induced me into dealing with him. I am particular with the words as I want them to open investigation under Section 415 of Penal code, which is cheating. As my scenario clearly fits the profile. After report is done, to my dismay the sergeant told me they cannot accept this case as they are not experts in authenticating consumer goods, so he directed me to KPDNKK instead. So heres the part I wanna pick your brain on creating a game plan to claim back my refund.

Game plan A (the legal recourse):

Engaged a lawyer to issue Notices of Demand on behalf, in hope to scare him into refunding me the money. The address he provided is real and its a hardware shop, so suspect he could be working there idk. Meanwhile, I will lodge complaint in KPDNKK and hope they will take this seriously but I really believe its gonna be a futile attempt. If all this fails through, I will file for small claims action in court, but I will need his IC number to do that, and even if I managed to get judgment in favor, there would be troubles in enforcement too i suppose.

Game plan B (the TVB drama):

I will air the dirty laundry on fb in callout posts, be it kl blowater station, genting groups etc, I will share it everywhere. I have the fella's personal fb. He seems like a family guy and the album is full of family photos. If it goes viral, he might offer to settle and in exchange for me taking down the post. the only drawback is I might get hated by netizens who detests public shaming and i am basically making a fool of myself too..

Game plan C (the gansta way)

bribe some bank officers and get the residential address of the seller, then pay off some underground people to go kick his ass and extort the money from him. Might incur more expenses but it seems to be the most effective approach.

Thats all i could think of atm.. please help me out guys... I just want my money back

If you have his details, open an investigation with KPDNKK, then give the agent his number. Tell the agent you want to settle out of court first, meaning that the cheater will pay you RM2k back, if the seller says no, then only proceed to court, which takes a lot of time and money. I kena also, but not up to 2k. Only RM800 like that. And that was cause the seller used someone else's account and the actual owner paid back, not sure if the owner actually knows what was going on. But in the end the owner just paid us back. A few of us got conned. And we got out money back. Try KPDNKK first. But I cant guarantee you that you will get back your 2k.. Just my suggestion

Thanks for the suggestion mate! Wow so kpdnkk works? Any tips on how to file the report so they will take it more seriously? Mind share with me how long did it take for you to get back your funds? And what other infos you got on hand last time

quoting from another forumer.....

1) file a report with kpdnkk n get the report reference number...
2) contact the seller with the report number and inform the seller that you just want back the paid amount to settle the matter, the seller can have back his item (fake watch)....

IF the seller still ignore you......

Proceed with game plan B, put his details up here.....and post all document report on the matter online.... if he is a long term online seller, his reputation will be affected and thus effect the online business in the long term.....

At this stage contact the seller to recover your money, show him all the social justice post which you have posted.....

If the seller still ignore you..... inform the seller you will proceed with game plan A and game plan C

If cannot, use game plan D, pretend to be a buyer to buy some of the seller things online...... ask him out COD.... later, how u wan to settle with seller its up to u lor....... maybe u can belanja the seller makan kek la.....

Yea plan D is smart too. I should have kept things to myself in the beginning and act like I am satisfied with the purchase then request to cod for second item.. strike him when he least expects it. Haiz anyway thanks for the input man

Just curious, can you share the picture of the watch?

Search the scammer's facebook for a photo of him. Set up a post in your fb detailing the scam and include the scammer's name, photo, address, your police report and link to his fb. Make sure the post is set to 'public.'

Send a friend request to all his fb friends. When they click on your fb link to check you out they can see your post on the scammer.

He may get enough social pressure to return your money. If not you have managed to deal him a blow.

Btw, Game Plan C is out. No bank officer is going to break the law to give you his info, not even for a bribe.

This post has been edited by Ginny88: May 9 2020, 06:07 PM

Bro, to improve the plan D, you do not need to be yourself to buy from the seller again la....

u can pretend to be a slutty princess wanting to buy things from the seller.....asking for COD and meeting the seller.....

An eye for an eye......if he has cheated u, y can't u cheat him back ??

If the seller is a serial scammer, pretty sure he had faced plan B and plan C before. And to be honest, those plans are useless to scammers, and this is why there are still many scammers around in this country.

But since you say you have this fb and his family details, maybe you can add his family members as friends, and start explaining them the whole story. Maybe (yes, only maybe), he would succumb to family advice/pressure and you can get your money back.

Aiyo, scammer with fake fb acc how la?

why would the scammer share his own fb? highly possible it's someone else's fb?

Well, TLDR is another victim approached me here, because the seller was selling at Garage Sales, plus he knows how Lowyat works. And the victim did purchase data on the company, hence how he knew about the address and where the so called "scammer" was located. And then another victim also pm-ed me. So the 3 of us then communicated and tested the seller, which we already knew is fake. Then we decided to report to kpdnkk, where the first victim who pm-ed me lodged a report, then i followed and the 3rd victim followed. We discussed and contacted kpdnkk and let their agents contact us. Im not sure about the details but you can search online for kpdnkk and lodge a report there, through online. If you have his number, IC etc, you already have a solid case. Make sure you have your proof of purchase, chats and everything all screen shot as evidence that the seller is cheating in your case and in my case, scamming. It took us about 2 weeks and it was settled. because the actual scammer ran away, hence the account holder bear the cost, I think, I am not sure as the replies from the seller and the account holder was almost similar, no conclusion on that as I was happy i got back my money.

Anymore info can pm me bro.

Here is my report https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f=128&t=4783852 I havent updated it yet.

If you file report at kpdnkk or Tribunal Penguna, you must fill out the forms plus receipts or money transfer statement and whatsapp chat texts in your record.

Now here comes the hard part, a copy of this report must be handed over to the so call scammer of which he/she needs to sign of receiving this report. So may sign, some may not.


The court will fix a date, if the scammer no come, you win the case but the court not going to get the money for you.


End of the day, why the hell didnt you go to a store to buy this branded stuff ??

You got so much money izzit.

Can you throw me rm500 ??

How confident are u tat the FB page is really him?

Serial scammers will not hav personal details inFB or something so public

Does the account holder name and seller facebook name match? If they match go after that person. If his ID was loaned to scammer let him suffer the consequences or settle with the real scammer.

google bro, the price reflects the condition of the watch actually, since its a preowned piece..

its saddening to know this... guess I can only rely on kpdnkk's paper judgment and the scammer's clemency

before my confrontation, he actually has 3 ads going live. Once kantoi-ed and being cornered, he deleted all listings and went mia.. gotta be patient and wait him to post shits again to pull off the Plan D..

yea i dont wanna get my hopes up already, will just let this sink in and suck it up

he doesnt share with me la duh, I stalk myself geh. But i start having second thoughts now..

Why does kpdnkk's procedures sound like the small money claims in court? I am aware it might just be a futile effort at the end, as you cant locate the person. this isnt something like garnishee proceedings whereby the court can seize the debtors's assets

You just gotta rub it in isnt it.. i am depressed enough already. 1800 at timing like this when we all facing critical cashflow problems... sigh

Bravo and Good,,,,,, u stop the scammer from scamming others..... if all scammer stop scamming after cheating other people once.....this world will have no more scammer..

But i wonder what will the scammer do tomorrow.......maybe he go find a full time job and get kuli wages la !!!

now logically......The scammer has taken your money and u cannot even do anything about it...... u think the scammer will stop ???

In fact, he probably do more posting ads to scam more people after his success from scamming TS.....


Tips:- Scammer will always afraid..... they will always hide behind a curtain.....because they are afraid people will get even with them....use this to your advantage.....

I am not rubbing it in, but to transfer online a huge amount of money, even not meeting up with the scammer face 2 face, raised many red flags.


Its like buying a BMW but done online, you dont get to test drive. After payment, we will sent the car to you.


So, can you throw at me rm500 bucks ???