Hey guys, I decided to open thread in here as I am seeking serious inputs and constructive feedback from fellow forumers who might have been in the same shoe before. So here's the backstory which led to my current predicament..

Item involved: Tag Heuer Formula 1 CAZ 1014
Monies involved: 2 grand
Seller based: Bukit Mertajam
Leverage on hand: Seller's bank account details, personal FB, Contact number, address on parcel

Few days ago I bought Tagheuer off a random reseller in Penang. The seller claimed the watch is legit and authentic and the pictures/videos he provided all check out fine. I then requested for his references which he managed to screenshot all his past sold ads to prove that he has been selling in that marketplace for long and ask me to deal with confidence.

So the naive me decided to give him a benefit of doubt, and proceeded transferring 2k instantly to his bank acc. He then immediately shipped out the parcel in 20 mins time. Everything seems smooth sailing and I didnt suspect anything was amiss until I received the parcel earlier... and found out it looks super off irl.. It is those grade AAA version from china. To further confirm my doubts, i cross check with various sources and compare with my own collection and thats was the moment i realize i just got fking scammed.. Tried contacting him afterwards but he blocked me outright and didn't answer any calls since then.. whats new right.

I then went to lodge police report. I mentioned to popo there was a misrepresentation and the seller fraudulently induced me into dealing with him. I am particular with the words as I want them to open investigation under Section 415 of Penal code, which is cheating. As my scenario clearly fits the profile. After report is done, to my dismay the sergeant told me they cannot accept this case as they are not experts in authenticating consumer goods, so he directed me to KPDNKK instead. So heres the part I wanna pick your brain on creating a game plan to claim back my refund.

Game plan A (the legal recourse):

Engaged a lawyer to issue Notices of Demand on behalf, in hope to scare him into refunding me the money. The address he provided is real and its a hardware shop, so suspect he could be working there idk. Meanwhile, I will lodge complaint in KPDNKK and hope they will take this seriously but I really believe its gonna be a futile attempt. If all this fails through, I will file for small claims action in court, but I will need his IC number to do that, and even if I managed to get judgment in favor, there would be troubles in enforcement too i suppose.

Game plan B (the TVB drama):

I will air the dirty laundry on fb in callout posts, be it kl blowater station, genting groups etc, I will share it everywhere. I have the fella's personal fb. He seems like a family guy and the album is full of family photos. If it goes viral, he might offer to settle and in exchange for me taking down the post. the only drawback is I might get hated by netizens who detests public shaming and i am basically making a fool of myself too..

Game plan C (the gansta way)

bribe some bank officers and get the residential address of the seller, then pay off some underground people to go kick his ass and extort the money from him. Might incur more expenses but it seems to be the most effective approach.

Thats all i could think of atm.. please help me out guys... I just want my money back

Thanks for the suggestion mate! Wow so kpdnkk works? Any tips on how to file the report so they will take it more seriously? Mind share with me how long did it take for you to get back your funds? And what other infos you got on hand last time

Yea plan D is smart too. I should have kept things to myself in the beginning and act like I am satisfied with the purchase then request to cod for second item.. strike him when he least expects it. Haiz anyway thanks for the input man

google bro, the price reflects the condition of the watch actually, since its a preowned piece..

its saddening to know this... guess I can only rely on kpdnkk's paper judgment and the scammer's clemency

before my confrontation, he actually has 3 ads going live. Once kantoi-ed and being cornered, he deleted all listings and went mia.. gotta be patient and wait him to post shits again to pull off the Plan D..

yea i dont wanna get my hopes up already, will just let this sink in and suck it up

he doesnt share with me la duh, I stalk myself geh. But i start having second thoughts now..

Why does kpdnkk's procedures sound like the small money claims in court? I am aware it might just be a futile effort at the end, as you cant locate the person. this isnt something like garnishee proceedings whereby the court can seize the debtors's assets

You just gotta rub it in isnt it.. i am depressed enough already. 1800 at timing like this when we all facing critical cashflow problems... sigh

yea maybe i am used to large amount money transfer so i didnt really feel suspicious about anything. Note to self now, a seller is only as legit as his last transaction.

500? why not double up? you help me dig the fella out, i send you his workplace address, at BM jalan Kulim, i will reward you accordingly

here you go, dude interchanged with panerai like leather strap, cuz fake bracelets scratch easily pay attention to the markers position at bezel, its good fakes.


toughies probably cost more money than the watch itself lol. Yea paying him a visit could work but he could be living in denial or simply ignoring me, so wouldnt make a trip up until i have something solid.

yea for preowned piece, its slightly cheaper than market rate. He priced the watch at a good price, giving a false representation that its legit preowned watch. New one need 6k ++

except that this isnt too good to be true man, its decent price, good deal, but not too good to be true.

the thing is this seller is actually fine with COD, he has nothing to hide. And he is certainly not a serial scammer. He sold over 50 stuff in past one year and even rolexes. My main takeaway from this lesson is a seller is only as legit as his last transaction. Now its tough time, he resorts to scamming cuz he needs to put food on table.

thanks doc

exactly mate, if I am seller I wouldnt put myself in such position too, giving IC deets and all, so much complications.

and if the buyers are nitpickers, they can easily open a dispute or scam you back by swapping your legit stuff with fake stuff and return you.

yea next time i will try to be as fussy as possible, or just simply refrain from any online deals.

nice one mate, the irony is this is not my first tag, i have owned 3 pieces, namely aquarcer grande daydate quartz, aqua auto cab 5, carrera cab 5, still I was being too careless on this formula quartz... sigh