AMD launched.. As expected nothing great..was it worth the wait..?

This post has been edited by intune: Sep 13 2007, 11:16 AM

WAH LAO~~~~~~!!!!
4000MHZ HT !!!!!

HTT3.0 @ 4 GHz?
what's the point to push it so high?

4000HT but it's actually shows 2000 in CPU-Z (correct me if I'm wrong)

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Added on July 28, 2007, 7:31 pmsry..double posted..stupid streamyx

This post has been edited by shinjun: Jul 28 2007, 07:31 PM

Maybe it is x2 ??

wow, seems very promising... hopefully the price is very attractive...

let's all hope for the best, amd needs to fight back to improve their profits and cut their loses

when will the true date phenom will come????

W...the Fak 4000 MHz Busssssssssssssssssssss
hopefully it wouldnt be exp XD

This post has been edited by NicJolin: Jul 28 2007, 08:40 PM

Hmm... Agena X2 has a real chance of stealing the new consumer crown.
*Should* be better performing clock by clock (As I suspected), and it even reaches 2.8Ghz at first stepping. Nice...


X4 is not shabby at all. Thermal ratings for 2-2.2 should be wee bit higher than 65W, and 2.4 shouldn't jump to extremely close to 89 yet.

It's a good news for an AMD fan like me
I hope the pricing won't be too steep.

hope it will not be another paper tiger like HD2900s

last time with 2000 HT it beat pentium D

and now 4000HT, AMD might think can over take C2D as C2D is almost 2x faster than PD

what does hypertransport got anything to do in processor's performance? No matter how fast can it go, it will stil limited by DDR2/3 bandwidth.

i do support AMD...sm how i hope the price is not too low or too high
if AMD lose this match i think its gonna b a big problem for them

It doesn't work that way. Even 1st generation HTT of 1000Mhz is already too much as reviews showed that a HTT of 200-400Mhz is more that enough for everyday gaming/usage.

IIRC, even Intels new FSB 1333Mhz is in preparation for quad core computation. I don't think the new HT3 of 4000Mhz will lead to any real world benefit as a HTT of 1000Mhz is not even fully utilized!

AMD comeback!! though the actual date not given. pray they dont delay it to next year!!!

that true for now... but we dont know the main purpose they increase the HT.... cos computation basically did in procesor and seldom at memory....thus 4000HT wont benefit at all..but how if they implement the 4000HT as a link between the core and the data might transfer faster between 2 core and compute data ... that just my guessing...the real 4000HT still haven tested....

Pls note the phrase "for everyday gaming/usage". AMD's main purpose for HT3 is for SMP/multi-core processing. Here's a link for more info (the part on HT3): http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2768&p=3

This post has been edited by kmarc: Jul 28 2007, 10:34 PM

AMD always had the knack of letting Intel get passed them and winning all the praises. AMD would then bounce back extremely strong. The AMD Phenom is targeted at gamers, a large portion of computer consumers that usually have to ride on the advanced features that processor manufacturers develop whether games can take advantage or not. I am not surprised that this processor could be the one that will win the heart of gamers worldwide and become the No.1 choice for sometime.

This post has been edited by lex: Sep 10 2007, 06:01 PM

I dont think the HT is the main selling point for phenom. From the table, it looks like X2 have higher HT bandwidth than X4 LOL

Even if HTT doesn't help, floating point performance on the Phenoms are going to be err... phenomenal?

Integer I don't know but engineers hint to parring C2D on integer @ same clock speed.

Do take account why the HT3 is developed at the first place..true its to take advantage of the multiprocessing power of the new Phenom architecture but also to give hardware vendors and manufacturers the access to create expansion card and also accelerators card that could tie in directly into the cpu itself. For e.g the AGEIA PhysX card which utilises bidrectional communication from Gpu and CPu before frame is rendered. Unlike game console the bottleneck for PC's are between the CPU and GPU. The Phenom is clearly engineered to take advantage of the SMP/multiprocessing server market other additional features are also tailored of future gaming GPU architecture cards too..

All will be revealed in coming weeks about perfomance and numbers as Phenom launches..

As for me im only interested in price.

This post has been edited by intune: Jul 28 2007, 11:05 PM

Are you talking about HTX? Is it the same as HT3? I do sincerely hope that this technology can be used for expansion/accelerators/physx card (in terms of gaming/daily usage).

Anyway, here's some other links to clarify on HT3/HTX connectivity:
http://news.soft32.com/hypertransport-30-r...ublic_1324.html
http://www.hypertransport.org/tech/tech_htthree.cfm?m=3
http://www.hypertransport.org/tech/tech_htx_main.cfm?m=9

Note the quote for the first link :"The new HTT 3.0 will be excelent for computers with more then 2 processors, because for 2 processors the available HTT 2.0 it's enough. HT3 makes sense for socket F because the HT link IS a bottle neck in 4-way+ servers."

This post has been edited by kmarc: Jul 28 2007, 11:20 PM

To top on to what kmarc said, that also explains why Barcelona (Not Agena, the consumer Phenom) has 3 HTT links and is currently clocked lower (big guess that it's on HTT speeds!)

And with HT3 AMD might want/IMHO should get into 16 socketed servers.
The only other CPUs in this segment suck (Pentium 4 Xeons lolol)


On HTX I'm not so sure, current boards do not have any of that and peripherals are developed exclusively to popular industry standards. PhysX can already run on PCI and to use HTX implementation would have to be more complex (you'd have to redo quite a lot on the chip)

Yep the HTX (Hypertransport Connection) here will be the device (Physx card) connecting and taking advantage of the HT3 on the Phenom Chip.

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Added on July 28, 2007, 11:38 pmAggreed. Revamp of current mobo architecture in whole.. but I always heard AMD mentioning how good the scalability of the Barcelona -Phenom going to be. So a revamp will not be impossible in near future.

Tho..Sounds more like Microsoft's claim bout vista..

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Added on July 31, 2007, 3:21 pmIF things goes well will see Phenom launch in August!.. I need to some some benchmarks and price!

This post has been edited by intune: Jul 31 2007, 03:21 PM

haha.. u do think ms vista suck didnt you? really, stop praying such..
i m praying the phenom is a success with cheap price...

PHENOM...wanna grab some when it comes outt,,, check it out later

Nice one. Wonder if can overclock insanely or not.
If can, then really nice one.

Welcome back, AMD

-pWs-

Just now see preliminary K10 @ 2GHz SuperPi score @ coolaler.com, 39s++. Very awful. Even 1.8GHz allendale can do 32s.

can it really trash penryn later on?
i think it can...amd fanboy here
but let's just see and wait
i really hate what AMD is doing now...
with the ga-ga brisbane core which is not performing up to its expectation...hmm....

is it going to be called AM3 or what??

aiyoo.. y keep popping up topics saying that the new amd procs slower than current procs???

Check the updates on first post!

nice one but u better be right bcoz intel gonna have price slash on october i think.
~waiting for the price slash or wait for phenom... sighhh~

what u mean me..? Its reported ler.. Sept 10.

Anyways bought my Q6600 oredi.. so bye bye Phenom..

nvm ,next year change again ..

5 more days to go
amd is making drastic changes this year...so many new model

I see that little care lol.

The same apathy applies to me.

Increase the bandwidth for inter-processor(package) communication. Besides this, HTT 3.0 have greater MP capability in server market. In desktop or mobile we don't really care actually.
Anyway, Intel's QPI figure is even greater than this.

Holy cowabunga!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 30000 3DM06. Makes all our rigs feel like 10 year old dinosaurs oredi.

That 30k score is a fake.

The official already said that even highly oc only get around 26,800 marks. Make it comparable to C2Q @ 4GHz++. I wonder how high that they oced the Phenom X4....

Bro, mind to share the link? Thanks

-pWs-

should be 26.8k using dry ice cooling on 8800 ultra sli oc'ed gila2.. proc tak contribute much..

30k 3dmark.. something to ponder..

can't wait larr this 10th

hope amd tak postpone lerrr

waa..planning to get C2Q..now phenom..?? phenom can beat C2D/C2Q ??

stay tune for more info

Kao, The AMD Phenom X2 2.8GHz come with a 4200MHz HT

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Added on September 5, 2007, 7:21 pmHeres the link http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/4622_large_stars_list.png

This post has been edited by 168257061: Sep 5 2007, 07:21 PM

IF AMD really can beats Intel this time is also a good news.At least the price for Intel will be decreasing due to performance and price ratio.If AMD beats current C2D structure,Intel will scratch their head hardly.But 30000k in 3D mark 06 is preety hard to believe.We stay tune to see whether is true or not.

30k 3dmark AFAIK is fake.

support

really can't wait to see the performance of the new phenom.. if it goes well.. have to collect some money to upgrade.. hahah..

I thought 10 September. Not meh??

-pWs-

yeah, i thought 10 september also....if got postponed again, dunno la....

well, i heard it'll b 10th september, unless these amd ppl postpone as usual. lol

really wanna see which one will win.. really hope amd will.. there's this virus in my place here in perlis. "amd not good, crap, hot, xstable, bla bla, intel ftw bla bla"

hope this amd will be the cure for this virus..

Time will tell whether all these are real or just BOGUS

whoa, another price slash? Was considering to get a x2 6000+.. then will need to wait for the Intel news first...

haha, thats somehow an old traditional saying from the old generations of AMD procs

Will be waiting for the launch of Phenom.. somehow I doubt the price will be cheaper than C2Q

This virus still remain???
I thought AMD already conquer this problem since early early time.

-pWs-

This post has been edited by -pWs-: Sep 7 2007, 03:39 PM

The virus is still there coz there are still some zero knowledge Intel fan boy.

hi can i know izit the AMD PHENOM is intel QuadCore???

AMD Phenom is the latest line up for AMD processor.

AMD have nothing to do with the Intel.

Intel got it's own quad core.

This post has been edited by shinjun: Sep 7 2007, 03:47 PM

AMD Phenom != Intel Quad Core.
Phenom(K10) is a name which replace the old technology Athlon(K8).

-pWs-

i not really know about this stuff so the performance better then intel Quad?

It hvnt release yet, so there is no accurate benchie for it.

which 1 is better performance???? phenom or quad???

???
i got it .helpless no 1 wanna share

This post has been edited by d@n: Sep 7 2007, 04:11 PM

What the heck you're saying? Did you actually read what people had wrote above?

AMD Phenom is not released yet, how do we know whether its better than Intel Quad Core or not?

haha...not released yet la. better read whole or at least few pages of this thread before asking direct Q...
anyway, hoping it will beat intels C2Q. i wonder who gonna be the 1st owning PhenomX4 in this LYF....

what serious piece of crap talk is that
and i got no idea inquirer is still around

You get it 1st, after that, show us the benchmark here

-pWs-

I'l be more interested seing official benchmarks of the Server version 'Barcelona' which will launch next monday then waiting for Phenom this November.

I seriously doubt anyone here would get a Phenom at launch.

LYN members do have a stronger Int/nV bias and little guts (unless it's reviewed, don't buy)

Not really, there're some around who dares to.

Obviously the current preference is intel because they are doing better. Back when AMD was doing better you would have seen more AMD fanbois. And it takes little guts to buy a product with many unknowns. Especially a brand new product. It requires even less smarts. Just a big wallet.

Do the right thing. Let some other ppl with big wallet test it first. If it's win, then you can buy it. If not, you already saved some bucks. Personally that what I did too, I went from Pentium III --> Pentium IV --> the great AMD Athlon 64 --> The better performer C2D. If the phenom is a good proc, so be it. I will buy it without qualms. If not, why bother.

True. Well, I'm sure most of us are tight on budget, if not we wouldn't really need to do some discussion here

Phenom X4 == C2Q == Quad core =="

Agree wif u..i'm also not a fanboy to any of Intel or AMD..juz get the best ..performance rules!! can't wait for new releases of those two..

lets just wait it come and stop spamming okay?
haha...
i use x2 3600
the lowest 1
wanna buy high end proc but i prefer peripherals
hehe

I'm not condoning this kind of blind-faith buying, but you'll never get rid of first time impression bias- most people still have higher regards for Intel than AMD, nVidia than ATi, see how P35 sold.

There should be at least a few people with big wallets who would snatch Yorkfield along with X38 up quickly for testing/general use when it comes out, but RD790 and Agena?


Still, it DOES matter that AMD isn't instilling confidence in us by taping out all sources of benches until near/post-launch, but they've never been good at organizing media/press hype (one of the places where Intel wins by much)

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Added on September 7, 2007, 8:47 pmUnless someone overclocks it to 3.4 (max speed on B2) on air.

This post has been edited by X.E.D: Sep 7 2007, 08:47 PM

Update: Barcelona Leaked SPEC benchmarks graphs..

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/515520#

That's partly because most games seem to be written for Intel more than AMD... X2's are faster and cheaper, but sometimes you get compatibility issues (like subtitles appearing at the wrong times). Plus the fact that the memory controller is in the die can cause problems. Put 800Mhz DDR2 on a 2.1GHz X2 and you will only get 700MHz out of it (CPU/3). On Intel processors with a separate memory controller and a 800MHz fsb, you will get the full 800 Mhz.

Nah, I believe someone here got it right:



It applied during the Athlon/P3 days, BUT the Athlon did NOT smoke the PIII like everyone's memory tend to do so.
It was on par, until AMD got to 1Ghz official first and Intel was slow with Coppermine, Netburst sucked ass and AMD had common sense to make Thoroughbred a reality- and THAT smoked P4.
Even in that case people tended to buy the Pentium III just because it's Intel, and secondly because nobody major in the business were selling Athlons. No "issues" whatsoever.


The X2s issues were corrected by installing a driver that all games had issues on fixed, and pretty much thanks to the IMC the X2 doesn't need memory to run at fast specs, instead with as less latency as possible. (MUCH more latency-sensitive)
It's in the design, and keep note that the X2s were actually supposed to run on DDR1 originally- until the Intel/OEM brute-force came along.

This post has been edited by X.E.D: Sep 8 2007, 06:28 PM

If that's right you shouldn't see much difference between 667 and 800. I wonder if that's true.

Tomorrow they gonna launch, hope can see a lot of websites review on it.

yaya.. 10 Sept they gonna to lauch it.
It is time to decide my new PC ;P

At least wait for the Phenom. Or even, 2008 might be a better time to buy.
People will have lots of excuses on higher clocks from Intel and whatsoever, but that is just repeating what K8/Athlon 64 had been "cursed" with- and they ramped up quickly.

2008 is the real battlefield, 07 is practically useless- just Tigerton 65nm vs Barcelona.

so when will d agena x2 will be out... pheneom seem to high enf for me T_T

Other benchmarks set may change the view of this new barcelona. For now only server enthusiast will be happy about this.

AMD Phonem launch soon , let us count down , 3 more hour to go !

go go go AMD!!! haha

Agena X2 is actually called Kuma, and they're both codenames.
Phenom X4-> Agena
Phenom X2-> Kuma

Kuma should be quite good versus the Agena, as AMD can definitely clock these babies a LOT more faster than their big brothers. I expect 3.0Ghz quite soon (08 of course) to pacify the E6850, or whatever will be for Penryn.

Yeah it launch~~ but when will having the review~~

It's already 10/09/2007.

The 10sept should be based on US timezone instead of ours Just be patient and new eventually will start showing up

I thought September 10 is Barcelona launch (Opteron)