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SUSMasterConfucion
post May 1 2020, 10:18 PM, updated 6y ago

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is it important to break into reps and set and why?

i can do 30 push-ups. can i do 30 in 1 go to save time or i need break into 10 reps 3 set?

any difference?
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post May 1 2020, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(MasterConfucion @ May 1 2020, 10:18 PM)
is it important to break into reps and set and why?

i can do 30 push-ups. can i do 30 in 1 go to save time or i need break into 10 reps 3 set?

any difference?
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u ned train to failure or close to failure to gain muscle. so 3x10 will be useless.
Study rep ranges for str also.
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post May 4 2020, 09:10 PM

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i see you asking this question every where. to gain mass and build strength you need low reps. low meaning 4 to 6 per set. basically no other way.
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post May 4 2020, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(not slow n timid @ May 4 2020, 09:10 PM)
i see you asking this question every where.  to gain mass and build strength you need low reps. low meaning 4 to 6 per set. basically no other way.
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sorry i’m beginner 😅


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post May 8 2020, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(MasterConfucion @ May 4 2020, 10:02 PM)
sorry i’m beginner 😅
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I'm not really pro, but try help with my understanding... High reps = toning. Low reps = muscle gain.. If wanna tone, then you can do 3 sets until failure.. Best to do incline and decline as well (3sets each).. If wanna gain muscle, then you will need to add weights or resistance band to drop down your failure reps to 8-12 per set.. And if wanna gain, incline and decline is a must.. So make sure you do 3sets each...
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post May 20 2020, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(ThE DaReDeViL @ May 8 2020, 10:47 PM)
I'm not really pro, but try help with my understanding... High reps = toning
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the hell is toning?
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post May 20 2020, 10:33 AM

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Their toning means getting into shape. In short, cutting. laugh.gif
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post Jul 13 2020, 11:27 AM

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Low reps for strength and high reps for muscle gain. For beginner I'd suggest 8-12 reps range. Reason being it is light enough that you can do it with correct form and heavy enough for your muscle to grow.

Once you are more experienced you can try lifting heavier like 5- 8 reps.

1-5 reps are usually for strength training, doesn't really build muscle but still good to lift heavy once in a while.

Breaking into sets is good because you get to rest and recover. When lifting heavier weights you need to rest enough so that you can do the next set properly.

However, your question is for push ups. If you can do 30 reps easily then there is no need for rest.
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post Jul 13 2020, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(Malaysian Psycho @ Jul 13 2020, 11:27 AM)
Low reps for strength and high reps for muscle gain. For beginner I'd suggest 8-12 reps range. Reason being it is light enough that you can do it with correct form and heavy enough for your muscle to grow.

Once you are more experienced you can try lifting heavier like 5- 8 reps.

1-5 reps are usually for strength training, doesn't really build muscle but still good to lift heavy once in a while.

Breaking into sets is good because you get to rest and recover. When lifting heavier weights you need to rest enough so that you can do the next set properly.

However, your question is for push ups. If you can do 30 reps easily then there is no need for rest.
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current taking dumbbell and for bicep i can do like 30 right arm 25 left arm before no strength. if i cheat and move my shoulder abit can go few more. is it consider too light for me?
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post Jul 13 2020, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(MasterConfucion @ Jul 13 2020, 11:58 AM)
current taking dumbbell and for bicep i can do like 30 right arm 25 left arm before no strength. if i cheat and move my shoulder abit can go few more. is it consider too light for me?
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30 reps is definitely too light for optimal muscle growth.

For smaller muscle group like bicep 12-15 is good.

If there is no heavier dumbbells then you make do with what you have.

Muscle will definitely grow but just slower.

Also make sure you eat enough so that there is calorie surplus if you want to gain muscle.

Maybe you should try doing the same reps for both arms so that no muscle imbalance in the long term.


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post Jul 13 2020, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(Malaysian Psycho @ Jul 13 2020, 02:54 PM)
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One point to note, caloric surplus doesn't mean anything if your protein intake is not enough. After all, protein is literally one major component of muscles. It's commonly recommended to eat between 1.6-2.2g/kg of protein, it's better to get protein from meats/dairy to include all types of essential amino acids unless you know how to mix and match the veggies/beans to get all of the essential amino acids.
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post Jul 13 2020, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(Malaysian Psycho @ Jul 13 2020, 02:54 PM)
30 reps is definitely too light for optimal muscle growth.

For smaller muscle group like bicep 12-15 is good.

If there is no heavier dumbbells then you make do with what you have.

Muscle will definitely grow but just slower.

Also make sure you eat enough so that there is calorie surplus if you want to gain muscle.

Maybe you should try doing the same reps for both arms so that no muscle imbalance in the long term.
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my left definitely weaker than right. how do i make it balance? stop at 25 to folllow left hand?
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post Jul 13 2020, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(MasterConfucion @ Jul 13 2020, 04:24 PM)
my left definitely weaker than right. how do i make it balance? stop at 25 to folllow left hand?
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Always lift with your weaker side first.

If you have other activities than gym that uses alot of right arm. You can try do more reps/sets in the gym on the other side to compensate.
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post Jul 13 2020, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(Amedion @ Jul 13 2020, 05:13 PM)
Always lift with your weaker side first.

If you have other activities than gym that uses alot of right arm. You can try do more reps/sets in the gym on the other side to compensate.
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ok thanks!
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post Jul 15 2020, 09:56 AM

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The orthodox belief is 3 to 5 sets and based on my past education in the field through the ACSM syllabus(do bear in mind that sport science like other science is fluid and constantly changes), the number of repetitions is dependent on if you want to focus and improve on:

- Muscle endurance(15-20 reps)
- Muscle strength(3-6 reps)
- Muscle hypertrophy(8-12 reps)

All the repetitions are based on your 1 rep max capabilities(google 1 rep max) and of course theories are endless and there are also endless debates about it so perhaps the more practical method is to use perceived exertion rate to gauge it but it is always good to test your 1 rep max, I do a 10 rep test but I have gotten lazier, so theory is not always feasible in the real world.

Rest in between periods is arguably more important, for hypertrophy especially, I follow the 45 seconds to 1 minute stringently, most of us will need time to build up the neuromuscular strength and fortitude to get through all 3-5 sets of this, it is extremely taxing to the mind as you get to the end of the exercise.

Of everything, I am more of the mindset that the focus on the eccentric motion with proper tempo as of most important among everything when it comes to hypertrophy and of one’s posture health.
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post Jul 15 2020, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(BlackBugs @ Jul 15 2020, 09:56 AM)
The orthodox belief is 3 to 5 sets and based on my past education in the field through the ACSM syllabus(do bear in mind that sport science like other science is fluid and constantly changes), the number of repetitions is dependent on if you want to focus and improve on:

- Muscle endurance(15-20 reps)
- Muscle strength(3-6 reps)
- Muscle hypertrophy(8-12 reps)

All the repetitions are based on your 1 rep max capabilities(google 1 rep max) and of course theories are endless and there are also endless debates about it so perhaps the more practical method is to use perceived exertion rate to gauge it but it is always good to test your 1 rep max, I do a 10 rep test but I have gotten lazier, so theory is not always feasible in the real world.

Rest in between periods is arguably more important, for hypertrophy especially, I follow the 45 seconds to 1 minute stringently, most of us will need time to build up the neuromuscular strength and fortitude to get through all 3-5 sets of this, it is extremely taxing to the mind as you get to the end of the exercise.

Of everything, I am more of the mindset that the focus on the eccentric motion with proper tempo as of most important among everything when it comes to hypertrophy and of one’s posture health.
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the 3-5th set sure cannot max anymore right? like first set u full power 12 reps then at the end maybe only able 6 reps?
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post Jul 15 2020, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(MasterConfucion @ Jul 15 2020, 10:40 AM)
the 3-5th set sure cannot max anymore right? like first set u full power 12 reps then at the end maybe only able 6 reps?
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12 reps per set does not mean max 12 reps per set but based on 50-75% of your 1RM which requires you to test but that’s tedious.

I try to optimise based on 8 reps and not go below 6 at the final sets of my workouts.

Also neuromuscular strength comes first, track your progress weekly, if it gets too tedious and hard, lower the weights.

Many bodybuilders I know lift crazy heavy weights in the gym but there are many too who do not do that but focuses on the correct tempo and range of motion and have got superior physique.
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post Jul 15 2020, 04:13 PM

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I always go for 5-8 reps. 3-4 sets. I used to waste so much time doing 12 reps. Found out that I progress really slow that way.

It's better to go for heavy weights. You can cheat for some reps as long as you slowly control the eccentric motion of the rep.
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post Jul 15 2020, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(nightshade_nova @ Jul 15 2020, 04:13 PM)
I always go for 5-8 reps. 3-4 sets. I used to waste so much time doing 12 reps. Found out that I progress really slow that way.

It's better to go for heavy weights. You can cheat for some reps as long as you slowly control the eccentric motion of the rep.
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if can do 12 but only do 8 then ur not stressing your muscle enough. like that can get big muscle?
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post Jul 15 2020, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(MasterConfucion @ Jul 15 2020, 04:30 PM)
if can do 12 but only do 8 then ur not stressing your muscle enough. like that can get big muscle?
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As long as you progress with your weight, means you get stronger.
Of course I don't cheat every rep la haha. 1-2 cheat reps. And when I can do without cheat reps, increase the weight.

The heavier the weight, the bigger your muscle will get.

Sometimes I do go back to lighter weight to do 10 reps if I feel like I'm stalling.
Doing a lot of reps is also good once in a while to feel that muscle-mind connection. Cos lighter weights, easier to focus on the isolated muscles.


In any case, don't stress about it.
It's just a matter of optimization. I learned the hard way doing less reps save time.
You can be more efficient or you can take a more relaxed route with more reps.

This post has been edited by nightshade_nova: Jul 15 2020, 04:38 PM

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