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post Apr 21 2020, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Apr 21 2020, 10:01 PM)
Belt and road connecting to China allies already completed and running. Only links to Europe on hold. Russian also already linked up along with its ex-Soviet allies. Belt & road is not for corruption but to supply & trade with China allies bypassing US embargo.
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Tiongkok still needs to build mega bridge from sumatra to melaka, then singapore to kalimantan n sulawesi, Sabah to mindanao way up to taiwan n finally link mainland to complete a huge ASEAN circle blink.gif shocking.gif mega_shok.gif
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post Apr 21 2020, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(Angelic Layer @ Apr 21 2020, 10:05 PM)
Don't lie lah, just because you think people cannot see it.
What happened to Peshawar-Karachi motorway?
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The backdoor way already constructed allowing China to channel goods and supplies express to Iran. You're looking at the front to fool US. Like this, US cannot condemn China coz no proof. Ofcourse civilian like you mustn't know much. Later you will join the condemn and attack PRC for dealing with countries on embargo
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post Apr 21 2020, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Apr 21 2020, 10:12 PM)
The backdoor way already constructed allowing China to channel goods and supplies express to Iran. You're looking at the front to fool US. Like this, US cannot condemn China coz no proof. Ofcourse civilian like you mustn't know much. Later you will join the condemn and attack PRC for dealing with countries on embargo
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You are using the strawman tactic as trained, while the question of pipeline still haven't been finish after decades.
Pakistan (neighbour to Iran) also cannot connect already stated for the Peshawar-Karachi, how you say China Iran already connected even.
Blaming others do not make you right.
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post Apr 21 2020, 10:50 PM

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Well, at least the potential BRI losses shows no hidden agenda behind the covid-19 outbreak.
Makes the origin of the outbreak from America even more plausible.
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post Apr 22 2020, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(Angelic Layer @ Apr 21 2020, 11:34 AM)
I know about this, it is never meant to be completed but a white elephant project to spend money and songlap.
I regret I am still innocent in my 20's, why I have to be so honest when almost everyone is a thief and money can be taken with reasons you can name.
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i dont get it. how can building infrastructure and transport networks possibly be a white elephant project ?

dont you think that cargo capacity is a much needed capability no matter where you are in the world
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post Apr 22 2020, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(not timid and slow @ Apr 22 2020, 03:43 PM)
i dont get it. how can building infrastructure and transport networks possibly be a white elephant project ?

dont you think that cargo capacity is a much needed capability no matter where you are in the world
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People care more about cash flow rather than results, especially true when employees and executive are never posted for long and position quickly shifted.

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post Apr 22 2020, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(Angelic Layer @ Apr 22 2020, 04:02 PM)
People care more about cash flow rather than results, especially true when employees and executive are never posted for long and position quickly shifted.
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thats just short term thinking. cash is a symbolic construct and will fluctuate due to many factors

infra that you can actually use and touch, that will bring more value in the long run. why do you think physical gold increases in value during times of distress ?
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post Apr 22 2020, 04:07 PM

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Sound like democracy to me...hahaha

QUOTE(Angelic Layer @ Apr 22 2020, 04:02 PM)
People care more about cash flow rather than results, especially true when employees and executive are never posted for long and position quickly shifted.
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post Apr 22 2020, 04:11 PM

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i thought the suppose silk road between east and west already running since 2016 or 17 ? from chong qing as the starting point, thru xin jiang, moscow, bla bla bla and end at germany ? even this time covid china also use this road to send the medical supply to the west.


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post Apr 22 2020, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(not timid and slow @ Apr 22 2020, 04:06 PM)
thats just short term thinking. cash is a symbolic construct and will fluctuate due to many factors

infra that you can actually use and touch, that will bring more value in the long run. why do you think physical gold increases in value during times of distress ?
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I am talking about what it is and what happened in reality, not idealized version of what should happen.
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post Apr 22 2020, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(darkterror15 @ Apr 22 2020, 04:11 PM)
i thought the suppose silk road between east and west already running since 2016 or 17 ? from chong qing as the starting point,  thru xin jiang, moscow, bla bla bla and end at germany ? even this time covid china also use this road to send the medical supply to the west.


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It couldn't even cross Jammu and Kashmir, let alone Pakistan, and now you are dreaming it is done and connected to Iran.
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post Apr 22 2020, 04:23 PM

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this silk road thing will not die la... it will maybe shrunk at the most... China on the way to conquer Europa!
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post Apr 22 2020, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(Angelic Layer @ Apr 22 2020, 04:22 PM)
It couldn't even cross Jammu and Kashmir, let alone Pakistan, and now you are dreaming it is done and connected to Iran.
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why would you want to go to those places when you can go to germany and other europe countries?you need to go to where the money is. so if pakistan has the monehhhh, then they will find a way to trade. but i guess probably just use ship route.

o btw, to those who enjoy train ride, this rail is 11000 km long.

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post Apr 22 2020, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(darkterror15 @ Apr 22 2020, 04:39 PM)
why would you want to go to those places when you can go to germany and other europe countries?you need to go to where the money is. so if pakistan has the monehhhh, then they will find a way to trade. but i guess probably just use ship route.

o btw, to those who enjoy train ride, this rail is 11000 km long.
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The oil pipeline is the primary objective from the beginning, hence the new silk road.
That's why it is already a failure as you mentioned it.
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post Apr 22 2020, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(Angelic Layer @ Apr 22 2020, 04:44 PM)
The oil pipeline is the primary objective from the beginning, hence the new silk road.
That's why it is already a failure as you mentioned it.
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The New Silk Road was an initiative of the United States for Central Asia and Afghanistan, which aimed to integrate the region and boost its potential as a transit area between Europe and East Asia.[1] The initiative was announced by U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in 2011 in a speech in Chennai.[2] The New Silk Road initiative would have linked Central and South Asia in four key areas: Regional Energy Markets, Trade and Transport, Customs and Border Operations, Businesses and People-to-People.[3] However, the initiative never got off the ground.[2] The term "New Silk Road" is now commonly used by journalists to refer to China's Belt and Road Initiative.

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The Belt and Road Initiative (BRI, or B&R[1]) is a global development strategy adopted by the Chinese government in 2013 involving infrastructure development and investments in nearly 70 countries and international organizations in Asia, Europe, and Africa.[2][3]

The leader of the People's Republic of China, Xi Jinping, originally announced the strategy during official visits to Indonesia and Kazakhstan in 2013. "Belt" refers to the overland routes for road and rail transportation, called "the Silk Road Economic Belt"; whereas "road" refers to the sea routes, or the 21st Century Maritime Silk Road.[4]

Formerly known as One Belt One Road (OBOR) (Chinese: 一带一路, short for the Silk Road Economic Belt and the 21st-century Maritime Silk Road (丝绸之路经济带和21世纪海上丝绸之路)[5]), it has been referred to as the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) since 2016 when the Chinese government considered the emphasis on the word "one" was prone to misinterpretation.[6] However, "One Belt One Road" (一带一路) is still used in Chinese-language media.[7]

Initial objectives
The stated objectives are "to construct a unified large market and make full use of both international and domestic markets, through cultural exchange and integration, to enhance mutual understanding and trust of member nations, ending up in an innovative pattern with capital inflows, talent pool, and technology database."[15] The initial focus has been infrastructure investment, education, construction materials, railway and highway, automobile, real estate, power grid, and iron and steel.[16] Already, some estimates list the Belt and Road Initiative as one of the largest infrastructure and investment projects in history, covering more than 68 countries, including 65% of the world's population and 40% of the global gross domestic product as of 2017.[17][18]

The Belt and Road Initiative addresses an "infrastructure gap" and thus has potential to accelerate economic growth across the Asia Pacific area, Africa and Central and Eastern Europe: a report from the World Pensions Council (WPC) estimates that Asia, excluding China, requires up to US$900 billion of infrastructure investments per year over the next decade, mostly in debt instruments, 50% above current infrastructure spending rates.[19] The gaping need for long term capital explains why many Asian and Eastern European heads of state "gladly expressed their interest to join this new international financial institution focusing solely on 'real assets' and infrastructure-driven economic growth"

well, if you think economy just all about oil. then yea. but since when pakistan is known of its oil ?

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post Apr 22 2020, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(darkterror15 @ Apr 22 2020, 04:51 PM)


well, if you think economy just all about oil. then yea. but since when pakistan is known of its oil ?
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QUOTE(Angelic Layer @ Apr 22 2020, 04:44 PM)
The oil pipeline is the primary objective from the beginning, hence the new silk road.
That's why it is already a failure as you mentioned it.
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Read post #61 and #80 replies of Jayraptor and those are my response to him before your jump in.

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