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post May 8 2020, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(kokhoong0624 @ May 8 2020, 07:46 PM)
How is the support of the Smart Indoor Camera with HSV? I've seen many reports where HSV stopped reporting notifications after a few days. Please update! And thanks for your early review.
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I'm not sure what it is, I've enabled HSV, but I don't get the time line like what others show in reviews. It could be possible that it's not recording while I'm home and there's no motion she I'm out, or that I barely go out these days because of the movement restriction.

On a side note the netatmo app and facial recognition is pretty nice.

But the price of the netatmo is a little ridiculous

Way more expensive than other cameras but I wouldn't say much better
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post May 8 2020, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(kokhoong0624 @ May 8 2020, 07:48 PM)
To make the switch permanent on, you can click on a button of the switch"Top Left Button or the one you want" and turn on the programmable switch option.
If you don't see this option, I think you have to update the firmware and then it should appear in the settings like these:

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Oh and yeah I agree the app is a little confusing and sometimes when you add something the UI doesn't feedback properly.. so I don't recommend using the app as a daily driver at all at it's current status
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Sorry I'm not sure I follow the instructions. I tried pressing and holding dow the Terncy Wall Switch Top Left Button, as well as tried it for the 3rd button (Bottom Left), but it doesn't seem to do anything. The switch specific LED comes on after about 3 seconds and blink 3-4 times, but I'm not sure if that is just indicating a Long Press action or something.

The center LED remains stable on during the entire time.

I checked the Terncy iOS App Device page for the wall switch. None of the tabs can be pressed other than the Power State slider for each Switch 1, 2 and 3. I'm enclosing the screenshot for reference.


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Also, the Terncy App on iOS doesn't show the screen you included in your post. Is that an Android App function?

Note: I've updated the Home Center to Firmware version 2.6.33 before onboarding the wall switch the first time.

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QUOTE(tcwan @ May 8 2020, 09:42 PM)
Sorry I'm not sure I follow the instructions. I tried pressing and holding dow the Terncy Wall Switch Top Left Button, as well as tried it for the 3rd button (Bottom Left), but it doesn't seem to do anything. The switch specific LED comes on after about 3 seconds and blink 3-4 times, but I'm not sure if that is just indicating a Long Press action or something.

The center LED remains stable on during the entire time.

I checked the Terncy iOS App Device page for the wall switch. None of the tabs can be pressed other than the Power State slider for each Switch 1, 2 and 3. I'm enclosing the screenshot for reference.
user posted image

Also, the Terncy App on iOS doesn't show the screen you included in your post. Is that an Android App function?

Note: I've updated the Home Center to Firmware version 2.6.33 before onboarding the wall switch the first time.
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Hello! I had checked with Terncy and they mentioned that the permanent on feature is being released just a while ago for the neutral switches and will roll out to the non-neutral one via a software update in the Terncy app in the next 3 days. The feature was rolled back in the non-neutral one because of a bug with low wattage bulbs and its being fixed and tested so it will be available very soon. If they message me that they update d ill drop you a PM. So sorry for my unclear instructions. The options should be available in the Terncy app without any physical interaction with the switch when the update is rolled out.

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QUOTE(gavind87 @ May 8 2020, 08:02 PM)
I'm not sure what it is, I've enabled HSV, but I don't get the time line like what others show in reviews. It could be possible that it's not recording while I'm home and there's no motion she I'm out, or that I barely go out these days because of the movement restriction.

On a side note the netatmo app and facial recognition is pretty nice.

But the price of the netatmo is a little ridiculous

Way more expensive than other cameras but I wouldn't say much better
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I am very interested in the Netatmo Welcome but because it is an old spec so I want to wait for an update before making any purchases
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finally Aqara new G2H camera going to ship out soon
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QUOTE(INGfusion @ May 26 2020, 12:26 AM)
finally Aqara new G2H camera going to ship out soon
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Yes I saw that in JD china, did you buy one yet?
Heavily considering one just for fun haha
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QUOTE(kokhoong0624 @ May 27 2020, 01:17 AM)
Yes I saw that in JD china, did you buy one yet?
Heavily considering one just for fun haha
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yes, already pay deposit, waiting 31th to pay full payment
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Just to clarify a point regarding Aqara region lock.

With Aqara product you have the possibility of using Mi App or Aqara App.

If you are using Mi App, the region of the hub has to match your region setting. Meaning if you buy a chinese hub you will need to set the region to China. So there is region lock.

But if you are using Aqara app, you are free to switch between regions (except Russia if I remember correctly). It will function essentially as NO region lock. Two things to be aware of: 1) EU region does not support automation because of legal requirement, 2) different region shows you different types of devices that you can add, that is why most people set it to China because they offer widest range of support for devices.

You will typically only use one app. I think it is not possible to have a hub added in both apps at the same time. Child devices will follow the hub according to the region. If you switch region, the hub will loose all child device bindings and you will need to add them again. But if you switch to one region, and then just switch back you will find all child devices are still there.

If you are using Homekit only, I recommend that you use Aqara app to help you add child devices. After that you don‘t use the apps anymore (except for firmware updates). Then essentially there is no region lock for you.

Aqara products are nice because they offer the lowest cost of entry to Homekit system. But you need to check that the device you want to buy actually support Homekit because not all Aqara branded products support Homekit.
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post May 28 2020, 12:27 PM

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Other bits about Aqara:

Currently all hubs are 2.4GHz only I think. Communication with child devices are not using the latest Zigbee protocol yet. But there is newer hub that will use Zigbee 3.0 protocol coming to market.

There are limit to the number of devices that can be controlled by a hub. The current hub can control 32 devices. You will need to add more hub for more devices. Newer one can control upto 128 devices.

Battery powered devices will not work as repeaters but most mains powered devices will be, for example, wall switches.

Last point for wall switches. In general (not just Aqara product), wall switches with neutral line will work more reliably simply due to the way they work. A lot of non-dimmable LED lights run into problems when used with wall switches without neutral line.
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post May 28 2020, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(gwinter @ May 28 2020, 12:10 PM)
Just to clarify a point regarding Aqara region lock.

With Aqara product you have the possibility of using Mi App or Aqara App.

If you are using Mi App, the region of the hub has to match your region setting. Meaning if you buy a chinese hub you will need to set the region to China. So there is region lock.

But if you are using Aqara app, you are free to switch between regions (except Russia if I remember correctly). It will function essentially as NO region lock. Two things to be aware of: 1) EU region does not support automation because of legal requirement, 2) different region shows you different types of devices that you can add, that is why most people set it to China because they offer widest range of support for devices.

You will typically only use one app. I think it is not possible to have a hub added in both apps at the same time. Child devices will follow the hub according to the region. If you switch region, the hub will loose all child device bindings and you will need to add them again. But if you switch to one region, and then just switch back you will find all child devices are still there.

If you are using Homekit only, I recommend that you use Aqara app to help you add child devices. After that you don‘t use the apps anymore (except for firmware updates). Then essentially there is no region lock for you.

Aqara products are nice because they offer the lowest cost of entry to Homekit system. But you need to check that the device you want to buy actually support Homekit because not all Aqara branded products support Homekit.
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ya I use Aqara app just to add child devices, most of time im using Apple HomeKit
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QUOTE(gwinter @ May 28 2020, 12:10 PM)
Just to clarify a point regarding Aqara region lock.

With Aqara product you have the possibility of using Mi App or Aqara App.

If you are using Mi App, the region of the hub has to match your region setting. Meaning if you buy a chinese hub you will need to set the region to China. So there is region lock.

But if you are using Aqara app, you are free to switch between regions (except Russia if I remember correctly). It will function essentially as NO region lock. Two things to be aware of: 1) EU region does not support automation because of legal requirement, 2) different region shows you different types of devices that you can add, that is why most people set it to China because they offer widest range of support for devices.

You will typically only use one app. I think it is not possible to have a hub added in both apps at the same time. Child devices will follow the hub according to the region. If you switch region, the hub will loose all child device bindings and you will need to add them again. But if you switch to one region, and then just switch back you will find all child devices are still there.

If you are using Homekit only, I recommend that you use Aqara app to help you add child devices. After that you don‘t use the apps anymore (except for firmware updates). Then essentially there is no region lock for you.

Aqara products are nice because they offer the lowest cost of entry to Homekit system. But you need to check that the device you want to buy actually support Homekit because not all Aqara branded products support Homekit.
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Thanks for your explanation. I get mixed responses from both my friends and the Taobao customer service.
I am getting a G2H camera. That one comes with an Aqara hub, am I right? Do you know how many accessories can the G2H camera connect?

EDIT: the updated aqara hub does not support 128 devices by itself:
* In the FAQs for the Aqara M1S, it goes on to state the following;

Question: How many Zigbee sub-devices can be connected to this gateway?
Answer: 1. The gateway can directly connect 32 Zigbee terminal devices. 2. If you need to add more Zigbee sub-devices, you can first add Zigbee relay devices to the gateway, and then add Zigbee terminal devices. The relay device has an expansion function. After expansion, the gateway can support up to 128 Zigbee sub-devices. 3. Among the Zigbee products of Aqara and Mijia brands, the products with zero live wire power supply are relay equipment, and the products powered by battery or single firewire are terminal equipment. Each relay device can expand 16 terminal devices.

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QUOTE(kokhoong0624 @ May 8 2020, 10:00 PM)
Hello! I had checked with Terncy and they mentioned that the permanent on feature is being released just a while ago for the neutral switches and will roll out to the non-neutral one via a software update in the Terncy app in the next 3 days. The feature was rolled back in the non-neutral one because of a bug with low wattage bulbs and its being fixed and tested so it will be available very soon. If they message me that they update d ill drop you a PM. So sorry for my unclear instructions. The options should be available in the Terncy app without any physical interaction with the switch when the update is rolled out.
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To follow up, I have been in contact with the Terncy support via the Shopee vendor support and they’ve released new versions of the iOS app and have a new server in Singapore which resolved a lot of the connectivity issues related to firmware updates. I am now fully up to date in terms of firmware versions and I can reassign the unused switch as a wireless switch.

I’m happy with the Terncy devices I’ve used so far. They are a lot easier to integrate into HomeKit compared to the Mijia devices. Aqara devices work fine in HomeKit but the onboarding process is a bit more involved.
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QUOTE(tcwan @ May 30 2020, 08:58 PM)
To follow up, I have been in contact with the Terncy support via the Shopee vendor support and they’ve released new versions of the iOS app and have a new server in Singapore which resolved a lot of the connectivity issues related to firmware updates. I am now fully up to date in terms of firmware versions and I can reassign the unused switch as a wireless switch.

I’m happy with the Terncy devices I’ve used so far. They are a lot easier to integrate into HomeKit compared to the Mijia devices. Aqara devices work fine in HomeKit but the onboarding process is a bit more involved.
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Oh yes! I heard about the Singapore server but I hadn't update because... everything is working OK for me now. I recently got their lock installed (in the process of testing but impressed so far) and planning to get their motorized blinds as well. The option to provide continuous power is damn awesome haha. If not mistaken you are using the Live wire one right? I think if you had a chance to renovate you should get the neutral ones. They are miles ahead compared to the live one.

I'm glad it worked out for you..I think their support team in Taobao is really helpful as they have direct access to the programmers. Try out their door sensors too if you had a chance... when paired with a neutral switch they worked like magic HAHAH it's so fast it's hard to believe it's from a battery powered device (when the automation is set up in the Terncy app).

I'm getting the Aqara G2H camera because the website say can just scan the code and add and don't have to download the app. Finger crossed to see what happens.
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QUOTE(kokhoong0624 @ May 30 2020, 09:21 PM)
Oh yes! I heard about the Singapore server but I hadn't update because... everything is working OK for me now. I recently got their lock installed (in the process of testing but impressed so far) and planning to get their motorized blinds as well. The option to provide continuous power is damn awesome haha. If not mistaken you are using the Live wire one right? I think if you had a chance to renovate you should get the neutral ones. They are miles ahead compared to the live one.

I'm glad it worked out for you..I think their support team in Taobao is really helpful as they have direct access to the programmers. Try out their door sensors too if you had a chance... when paired with a neutral switch they worked like magic HAHAH it's so fast it's hard to believe it's from a battery powered device (when the automation is set up in the Terncy app).

I'm getting the Aqara G2H camera because the website say can just scan the code and add and don't have to download the app. Finger crossed to see what happens.
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I’ve ordered the neutral wire switches for my renovation. It is definitely better to have neutral wire switches if you can do so, they are more reliable in terms of network connections, and they will extend the range of the Zigbee network as well.

I haven’t decided if door sensors are more useful compared to motion sensors. So far I find that detecting when someone enters a room is more useful than detecting that a door has been opened. Usually room doors are left open unless there is a need for privacy.

I’ve played around with the Aqara motion sensors which work well with the Tradfri LED drivers (Both going through their respective hubs), so you can string automations for different vendor devices together in HomeKit.

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QUOTE(tcwan @ May 30 2020, 10:21 PM)
I’ve ordered the neutral wire switches for my renovation. It is definitely better to have neutral wire switches if you can do so, they are more reliable in terms of network connections, and they will extend the range of the Zigbee network as well.

I haven’t decided if door sensors are more useful compared to motion sensors. So far I find that detecting when someone enters a room is more useful than detecting that a door has been opened. Usually room doors are left open unless there is a need for privacy.

I’ve played around with the Aqara motion sensors which work well with the Tradfri LED drivers (Both going through their respective hubs), so you can string automations for different vendor devices together in HomeKit.
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Oh that's great. Yup the neutral ones are much more reliable for so many reasons.
I understand, what I use for the door sensors is putting them in the cabinet (turn on cabinet lights). And my house was broke in during CNY, so now I will set the alarm to notify me if anyone opens a door when no one is at home (using Homekit). And also for my autogate just to remind people to close the doors.
I'm planning to get the Aqara "vibration" sensor and see if they can detect that the washing machine is done washing or not and see what they can do haha

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bought Aqara G2H and Eufy pan and tilt XD
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QUOTE(INGfusion @ Jun 2 2020, 06:22 PM)
bought Aqara G2H and Eufy pan and tilt XD
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I bought both Eufy's however disappointed to see that they're not HK compatible out of hte box.
lets hope they deliver on their promise.
the non PTZ ones are on their way. Reviews look promising!
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QUOTE(gavind87 @ Jun 4 2020, 11:16 AM)
I bought both Eufy's however disappointed to see that they're not HK compatible out of hte box.
lets hope they deliver on their promise.
the non PTZ ones are on their way. Reviews look promising!
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I'm very disappointed to hear that. They promoted Homekit as their main feature and its not ready out of the box? And how does the Eufy connect? via 2.4Ghz wifi too right?
I gotten a aqara g2h one to see what happens. My 2.4Ghz network sucks no matter what I do, there's like 18 wifi network detected in my living room. gonna see how it performs haha
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I'm very disappointed to hear that. They promoted Homekit as their main feature and its not ready out of the box? And how does the Eufy connect? via 2.4Ghz wifi too right?
I gotten a aqara g2h one to see what happens. My 2.4Ghz network sucks no matter what I do, there's like 18 wifi network detected in my living room.  gonna see how it performs haha
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where to buy the g2h. I'd like to get one too
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QUOTE(gavind87 @ Jun 5 2020, 09:36 AM)
where to buy the g2h. I'd like to get one too
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I got it from Taobao.. just search Aqara G2H Can you read Chinese? The original price is 499 I preordered for like 379 Chinese yuan. I think there might be another offer during 6/18.

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