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post May 5 2020, 01:30 AM

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Most of my experiences always involved a house, building or development project. This is a rather long one.

This is one of the very rare few that the building or land isn't the main star, instead the main star is actually a person and someone I was uhmmmmm...... well you'll know.

Time : 8 years ago.

Places involved : A certain older low rise condo in PJ and a house in Bangsar.

Cars involved : A BMW 120i, a Renault Megane RS250 and a black Toyota Alphard 3.0l

Main person involved : Her name is Sarah, she was then a 29 year old lawyer. A Chindian, a very aggressive, confident and outgoing person. A self-made lady as at 29 she owned 2 condos, drove a BMW 120i (F20) and worked for a big name legal firm. No "dadikasi" or "sponsors" anytime in her life as like me she was the "unloved" one when both the parents divorced and remarried. Got to know her when I bought a house, she was the one that acted for the loan documentation and we became good friends. The wife had an absolute hatred for her as we used to have a group of "mixed" friends that we would drive around to look for food and activities to do. One of the things we enjoyed doing was going out in 2 car loads to places that were well known to be haunted and tell ghost stories especially those in my line of work, another Chindian guy that did corporate recovery/liquidation and one other Eurasian girl that worked as an auditor. Our favorite spot was at Bukit Gasing where we'd talk until 3am then go for supper. She had a couple of bfs but she is one of those that if you don't make the grade she'd have zero qualms disposing you off. She has always been there for me and the kind that 3am your Conti car had a breakdown, a call to her and she'll come get or be by you. Basically everyday our group would have one of us speaking to one another, some blabber, some gossips, some flirting, some jokes and some serious stuff. Sarah was an attendee at a certain shoplot church but not necessarily a firm or staunch Christian.

After reading this, many of you will know why when you asked me for an introduction or recommendations of a bomoh, exorcist or shaman I've been reluctant to give you one. The reality of it? Most of these shamans have no real loyalties to anyone, Thai ones are no exception and same goes for those from East Malaysia or SE Asia. They may help me out and most won't dare to play me out but that doesn't necessarily mean they won't play you out. It is also rather bad practice to ask for recommendations for a shaman from someone you don't know personally and definitely not a good idea to go to a shaman unless someone you know and trust brings you to that shaman.


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post May 5 2020, 01:34 AM

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Part 2

A long read but would be "educational" for many.
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I hope you didn't get too freaked out and if you had read it through you found it educational.

The one thing I've realized, whenever dealing with these types of people.... be brave, be confident and be daring to confront them head on. Most if not all of those who resort to BM. charms, spells etc tend to be cowards and you'd be surprised just how far and fast they'd run the moment you start showing that you'd fight back.
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QUOTE(mikesully @ May 5 2020, 06:00 AM)
wow.. too long but i read it all.... 😅

interesting part on needle.. its like. some sort of 'santau'

also.. interesting part of the shaman.. guest south  eastshaman asia all acknowledged each other although different cultures...
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I'm not that good with actual terminologies once it isn't in English.

Yes most shamans within SE Asia generally would acknowledge each other except the indonesian and malay bomohs, something to do with there being many of them and plenty of competition among them. I was told among malay bomohs just like the warongs when one gets too successful it isn't too unusual for a competing malay bomoh to cast spells on the successful bomoh. Not being racist on this but I generally stay away and have a general distrust for malay bomohs and many of them these days charge RMs for services rendered. I only trust 2 types of shaman/exorcist, 1 are Northern Thai ones and the other are Sarawakian ones that are of Dayak or Kelabit tribe.

QUOTE(Theoutspokenguy @ May 5 2020, 09:19 AM)
wow. I took bath and only sit down to read this. Yes it doesnt disappoint. Thank you for sharing.

Just a few questions :-
1. So the parents are seeking revenge because they thought sarah is being thick face do not want to meet the family?

2. Part of your story you said LMf family consulted a medium to help with all this dealing but why LMF parents house have all the black magic stuff? Are they the medium? or the follow up?

3.  Why did the shaman you bring from PJ suddenly u-turn? is it he felt that the 1st shaman is alot powerful?

4. Most people i know after have gone through such trauma they develop the 5th sense to be able see and feel. Is sarah too?

5. I was uhmmmmm
Without reading your story i dont understand that sentence. After reading she is not in the state of normal you still dare to go ahead.
But since they found sarah work place they can just consolidate with her why must put such black magic.
I feel LMF have 3 shops, he is already very capable , why sarah break up with him could be other reason

Sarah is lucky to have you to save her.
If you fight back they might revenge right? I have a friend lost both of his parents within next each other day.  Then he got paralyzed suddenly.
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1.) The family didn't like Sarah to begin with because she isn't Chinese. She upped and left the meeting where she met LMF's parents as she said she was feeling very uncomfortable and that the vibes she received wasn't good. They did it because their house had a lot of restless spirit issues due to LMF's passing. They were essentially trying to do a "hell bride" for their bereaved son but knew there was no way Sarah would willingly agree to it so they tried this route because the son in law suggested it would work and he was part of a cult.

2.) The medium that arranged the black magic stuff was one of the heads of that cult, they made an offering for RM20,000 to start the initial BM. Then paid a further RM30,000 to get all the stuff to follow up. Claimed when those dolls would help weaken her and eventually she would willingly agree towards that "hell marriage" and those liquids supposedly when she was weakened enough and those dolls had done its trick she would willingly come to their house but they had to make a path way from her house to their house using that liquid at least that's what they us when I told the old lady to flush it down their toilet.

3.) He at first did not know the person behind the whole thing was also a member of the cult he was a part of therefore he came to help us. But when he knew at the carpark he decided to u-turn and instead help the other side.

4.) Yes, she became very careful with people and the vibes they gave out. She learned to trust and rely on her intuition and instincts especially among people she didn't know. She could definitely sense it around her and one thing we did stop was we stopped going up to Bukit Gasing. The 3rd eye and ear only came about during pregnancy and surprisingly she also developed that ability to tell it to go away.

5.) Prior to that incident we used to be bed partners on a casual and occasional basis. There was no blocking or stopping her that evening. It is a common symptom post-exorcism from love charms/spells is their hormonal balance could get messed up and extremes could happen for a few weeks to a few months, either she would not want it at all or the absolute opposite. She was one of those that was closer to the opposite and oh gawd.....definitely had to beg her for mercy several times.

Why they opted for the black magic instead of talking to her? 99% of people that are trying to organize a "hell wedding" to appease a bereaved won't talk but resort to it straight away. That rare 1% usually that person was already planning a marriage and nope Sarah won't have agreed to it either if they came to tell her that, therefore it was easier for them to use BM to weaken her and get what they wanted.

LMF was given a tire shop by the parents he took a loan using the tire shop to open 2 more. The pressure of running 3 shops got to him which led him to drinking and when he was having issues to settle his loans he resorted to loan sharks. It's how he lost all 3 of the shops.
Sarah didn't split with him over this, she split with him because she didn't want to deal with LMF's family who wasn't happy because she isn't a chinese and she did not want her life to have all the dramas of unhappy or hostile inlaws as she saw first hand what happened in her own parents and me.

Fighting back, there are ways to fight back and you generally know who you should fight back and who you shouldn't. Check the Genting incident by the restaurant, notice he ran when I looked him straight in the eye and went towards him? Notice how he also ran when Sarah approached him? That usually is a tell tale sign that person isn't ready to risk it all. These are people that has something to lose in life and they won't dare to go against someone that they know would fight back. This is especially the case if they have children or if they run businesses or have a high paying job.





QUOTE(V429 @ May 5 2020, 11:31 AM)
It does send shivers down my spine to make me wonder what would have happened to Sarah if you werent there to provide the assistance from the beginning. It also makes me wonder do the bomoh / exorcist / shaman have some sort of association where they connect like any other business associations? Thus maybe the 1st shaman did not want to anger other (perhaps more powerful) shaman and damage his reputation within the circle, so he sold you out?
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She was lucky I suspected it was something else. She told our group of friends some months after it had passed, during that incident on the way from Genting she thought the whole episode was about a robbery as she had large sums of money on her at that time which was something I was unaware of at that time. The other 2 problems occurred at the insistence and stubbornness of the 2 church pastors I thought would have helped but instead asked us to ignore it.

In Thailand you cannot render services as a shaman unless you are a member of one of several associations, many rogue ones about especially those that says they are a specialist shaman from Thailand but renders services outside of Thailand. In Malaysia and other countries it isn't a regulated profession therefore anyone can call themselves one but I do know for the Dayak and Kelabit ones in Sarawak there are special training for you to be one and usually unless you are a "student" of one of the more powerful ones you won't gain the trust of the community. Those from these 2 tribes would never ask you for money or name a price, there are "going rates" for some services but it is always on a "pay as you wish/can" basis.

Reason that 1st shaman played us out? There was a time that cult/sect was quite popular, now it is defunct or moved on.... basically it thrived on an easy-BM/spells/charms model. Had business problems, they would tell you to pay RM300 to "improve" the situation. Love problems? Pay RM150 to solve it. It attracted all kinds of funny characters.
It turned out the contractor I asked was a participant in it, that creepy character was an active member of it and that 1st shaman was one of the many that helped in the sect but wasn't really a powerful one, the contractor told me there were 5 more above him that were very much more powerful. He changed sides when he saw the sticker but didn't want to make it obvious that he had changed sides and basically he was trying to lead us to the house to complete the spell.

QUOTE(Jules @ May 5 2020, 06:07 PM)
Another scary one. Just one thing I've always wondered, why is it that whenever BM is used the victim always got needles/nails? I mean even from other stories I've read. Curious why it's these 2 things, although it could be other stuff like worms, insects etc..
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Worms are common as well but it usually seem to affect Indians and Whites a lot more especially where the aftermath of the spell is the person becomes an alcoholic or drug addict.

QUOTE(onetwoswitch @ May 5 2020, 06:28 PM)
I read Part 1 around 2AM this morning, and did not dare to continue Part 2 (LOL). Just finished part 2 and the exorcism part is scary as hell. All these while i thought BM can only be done on humans or living things, thanks for enlightening us that it could also be done to non living objects like cars. Since my sister's incident, I had always been careful with my food and drinks. Even in office i dont let the tea lady fill/ wash my cups and bottles. But hell, if someone really want to get u, they can even do it to the car. No way to control this. Just need to keep our own faiths in god strong i guess.
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Yes the exorcism part was really scary, I was seriously scared shitless the entire time especially being so close to a wild animal that was getting agitated. It was actually my first time being a participant to an exorcism ritual. I've always thought these rituals the person was placed on a chair or told to stand, never knew of one where someone else had to help. Could never forget that smell..For 2 whole weeks after that each time I took out my own clothes I kept checking for needles.

Cars and homes are also targets, many love charms for example are made from oil from a cadaver, these don't need to be ingested, only needs contact with the victim. Thankfully these aren't rudimentary ones.

What you do is definitely good practice when it comes to drinks at work.
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post May 5 2020, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(CoffeeDude @ May 5 2020, 11:05 PM)
Your story indicates that it is easier to put an attacking BM curse on someone then it is to defend it.

It seems that your friend went under the spell quite easily but it was very difficult to get rid of it.
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That's generally the case indeed, one of my regrets over that incident was I had a Thai amulet in my car that I should have put on her but it simply slipped my mind and I had forgotten about it.

QUOTE(Hobbez @ May 5 2020, 11:18 PM)
Is Bukit Gasing a very dirty area? I feel that many parts of PJ are dirty at night, and Bukit Gasing area seems to have many houses around it which are haunted, even if they have residents. The whole area doesn't feel "clean" to me.

And in my area, every time the muslim azan comes on at around 6 am in the morning, always got dogs start howling. I don't know why they do this, but these dogs are stupid to begin with (generally most dogs are just stupid), and they even howl when the "old newspaper" van comes around with the loudspeaker.
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Dogs are not stupid.

The reason dogs bark or howl during the azan and where there is an old newspaper guy about is because horns and loudspeakers operate at a different frequency and that frequency is extremely loud for dog ears.

Bukit Gasing isn't any more haunted or "dirty" than Bukit Tunku or Bukit Damansara. The reason many of the houses there are rather "dirty" is because many of those houses are built on the summits of slopes and many of those houses are old as well as it was built in an era where natural light coming into the house wasn't a priority.


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post May 7 2020, 03:12 AM

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QUOTE(gashout @ May 6 2020, 09:12 AM)
Thanks, Bill for the great narrative of a real event. If you ever have your own thread here, I am sure, people would read it everyday.

I would like to further ask, can anyone be BM-ed? Are there people who can be exempted from it?

Also, those who do BM, especially, the old couple - do you think these people will earn back their karma in a way that bad things would happen to them too?

And also, may I ask how did your belief in these supernatural stuff begin and ties to your work? I mean it's not common for people to learn about this during their school years.

Thanks once again.
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Persons exempted from BM? This one I think ladytarrot99 would be a better person to answer but as far as I know no one is 100% immune to it but some people do tend to have better resistance against it while some have near zero resistance to it. Not sure why but Malays and East Malaysian that are muslims tend to have poorer resistance to it.

Bad things do happen to persons who indulge in BM for wrongful purposes. Quite often many who use it will later in life they will have all kinds of ailments as well as if they had used it for fortune purposes then quite often what they wished bad for their competitors would also affect their children or grandchildren. Not 100% certain if it is that way in every situation but for those who do ancestor worships, the moment you indulge in this you do lose your ancestor protection from such things.

One of the reasons why I keep myself fairly well defended against it has a lot to do with I had a tendency to buy abandoned houses on the cheap, Many of them were cheap due to some kind of haunted stories. It did intrigue me at first but I kept to it that these is something that's good to know and defend against but not dabble in. My first 2 investment projects that I did for myself had "issues" with it.

The 1st was an abandoned under construction/renovation semi-d, ironically it was also the house I bought to learn more about Malaysian houses and locally available construction materials. When my Indonesian worker tried to find the original main pipes, he instead found a funny looking knife and then started shitting by all the doorways, I asked him why he said he thought there might be problems with that. I then had my Indonesian worker dig up all the soil and in total found 16 knives all pointing directly towards what used to be the kitchen. It did strike my interests to find out more about this issue and how it affected lands and buildings.

The 2nd house was an old PJ bungalow. It was in very bad shape, bad plumbing, bad electrics, worn finishes, leaky roof and it had damp issues, in addition it was renovated and extended in a messy manner. It was owned by a man who made it from rags to riches and his son went from riches to rags. This house was the last house my wife's late grandfather used to live in. I bought it off my FIL on the cheap because he said he mortgaged that house to send her to Britain for her studies and now he wanted the money returned to him.... instead we negotiated to buy out the house from him for the outstanding debt which was more than double what she had taken from him to go to Britain as he had remortgaged it. No one maintained the house and rumors of it being "haunted" started to float about where they would say they had seen their father/grandfather or heard stuff within the house..... they thought it was because the house had been mortgaged and the family businesses being mismanaged. Long story short I basically bought the house as I was planning to demolish it using a hydro-demolition machine I was trying to be a distributor, build a new house and then sell it off. I consulted with a Feng Shui master to find out what were the proper axis for the land and where the main door and gate should be at, instead he advised me to not demolish it but instead to restore it as the house has very good Feng Shui to it. Due to the sensitivities involved I decided not to chase out "anyone" that might be there but instead use the appeasement method, I had to better understand a thing or two on what needed to be done and also to preserve the good feng shui of the place.

I then had several other projects which I then began to have good understanding on this issue and the types of persons you could approach to sort it out for you.

QUOTE(lurkingaround @ May 6 2020, 04:34 PM)
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Please give the name of the Chinese Temple cult or a hint of it's name, so that others can avoid it and it's members.? Is it Taoist or Buddhist or Datuk-ist/Animist.?
....... Eg Christian cults to avoid are The Latter Day Saints or Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah Witnesses, Christian Scientists, etc.
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It isn't a Chinese temple, it was actually a bungalow that was being used as a temple and it is off Thai origin.

Its name in English translates roughly to Luck Given by Rama. If you hung around a lot in the older sections of PJ nearby Jalan Gasing you'd have come across many of its flyers and posters purporting to improve your fortune and romance. It is a Thai "Buddhist" cult. Doesn't appear to be in existence any longer as 2 years ago I drove past their "temple" it was abandoned.

When I looked through some of its followers on FB, it had plenty of persons selling gemstones, feng shui paraphenelia, renovation contractors and it had a lot of real estate agents as well. I got to know more about it from a real estate negotiator that I once dealt with and she told me quite a bit about it including being a "blood" donor.




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QUOTE(mikesully @ May 6 2020, 12:50 PM)
i dont know there was forest in middle of city

stumble upon the area when looking for shortcut.. hahah

kl actually was a jungle before... after all
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Just about everywhere was a jungle at one time.

There used to be many green lungs within the city but as the city grew those spaces became prime land and cleared.

Now if I'm not wrong the only forest within the city is Bukit Nenas which I believe is a permanent forest reserve though am sure it won't be for long.

QUOTE(yeeck @ May 6 2020, 01:18 PM)
Well of course. Even Pudu Jail (now BBCC) was formerly built over a Chinese cemetery heh...
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Hehe BBCC.....oh boy.....
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Sorry been rather busy of late and I've been dragged into company politics that are a bit stormy at this moment in time.

QUOTE(Jules @ May 7 2020, 12:45 PM)
I sense more stories coming up....
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Good sensing.... and yes it was shit spooky and it affected a shitload of persons.

QUOTE(yeeck @ May 8 2020, 01:31 PM)
Interesting, any idea if we can Google about this cult? There are so many things Thai Buddhists adherents do that sometimes I don't know if they are following the mainstream Thai Buddhism or Thai BM. I've seen cars and people inscribed/tattooed with those drawings and Pali verses.
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Alas I have no idea how to write the name of it as it was only written in Thai and never had roman lettering for it.

Thai Buddhism is the basis of plenty of cults. If you think that there is an influx of Islam or Christian cults that's nothing by comparison to those that purports Thai Buddhism especially once it is outside of Thailand because it is 100% unregulated and anyone can call themselves a Thai Buddhist organization.

QUOTE(gashout @ May 7 2020, 10:26 AM)
Paging for TS..

Basically, don't do BM. But it's sad some people may innocently get into contact with this dark world, for example they want to strike 4D.

Wow, the knives. Are the houses OK now? Have the spirits disappeared? Happily left the cosmos or went to elsewhere? Sorry for my blunt questions but I realize lots of spirits have unsettled business on earth and don't have a calm 'heart' hence can't passaway peacefully.

Your profession is half entertaining yet threatening as well. Ever wonder if you may end up BM-ed as well? I mean some people don't like to be offended.

I also may assume the T1 (top 1%) of this country may engage some form of BM to protect their wealth (as compared to the B40 who may still engage but more for love magic etc) as they have so many assets and businesses to look after. This i refer to percentage wise in that category, not about the number of people in that category. Or is this just a wrong assumption?
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BM to strike 4D?? Usually going to one of those beings and asking for numbers to strike 4D is usually harmless, it only becomes harmful where the person asks for numbers, promises if they win they'd do a certain act (usually something along the lines that they'd upon striking would do a certain sacrifice with part of the winnings) and then upon striking they conveniently forget about doing what they promised..... that can be extremely harmful. Never make a promise to any paranormal being and then break the promise because the consequences can be dire, this is especially the case where it was promised through a powerful shaman.

The houses?

1st house : The knives were basically a bad luck / ill-will charm that was planted there at some point in time to target one of the house's previous owners. As that house was mostly demolished and rebuilt there hasn't been anything amiss about it since then. My tenant still lives there and this year will be their 11th year. They are a staunchly Catholic American couple and in 11 years they have retired, become grandparents and still healthy. They are in the midst of buying that house off me.

2nd house : This one was rather tricky, I wasn't necessarily chasing "it" away but just freeing it and allowing it to leave it felt trapped. When the restorations were completed I did build a new fence for the house and incorporated a fountain, at the fountain I put a small memorium plate just to "tell" "it" that its still "his" house but someone else owns and lives there as well. My tenant that's lived there since it was restored hasn't left because in the 10 years he went from driving a Toyota Corolla to now owning 2 Mercedes, a Ferrari and an Aston Martin. He is an importer of food products from China and an exporter of frozen seafood. No idea if it was related or not but the Feng Shui master that told me about this issue says it is but within 3 months of my FIL selling the house, he was sued for RM7,000,000 and ever since then everything started falling apart for him and people that depended upon him, myself on the other hand within months of completing the restoration I received my biggest ever career jump and the only non-contractual raise as my primary job is with an Anglo-American company where salary raise is strictly on the basis of US Federal CPI + 1 to 3% max. I am guessing it must be related as I've never really been in a situation where I had to worry about money except because I put myself in that situation....... like buying a house I shouldn't have for example.

The T1s do participate in BMs as well, some for love, some for rivalries, some out of greed (a big one is this) and many do "invest" a lot towards protection as well.

Interesting you asked whether I wonder if I had been BMed..... why do you suspect I haven't been but it will be for another post laugh.gif


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I've generally avoided mentioning my own experience being at the receiving end of it. Mainly because the persons involved are persons known to me and the person who it also affected generally doesn't believe in BM and probably it wouldn't auger well if she found out who had started it. Also never found a reason to tell anyone about it that doesn't already know about it.

Another thing you will find out.... why I have a general distrust for churches when it comes to this issue and prefer to rely on the tried and trusted Thais and Sarawakian shamans.

Also just to clear the air, I believe in Christian philosophy and traditions, I'm not a spiritual or religious person.... and I've no real allegiance or believe in any god or gods. I'm more of a your religion is your business and I'll support and sponsor Christian missionaries in China for as long as their primary purpose is something other than religious, I support 2 missionaries who primarily teach English and English literature as well as help run a drug addict rehabilitation center.

There were however 2 incidences of it happening to me

Here is the first incident.

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QUOTE(onetwoswitch @ May 12 2020, 10:38 AM)
I had the same thought too but have not asked you about it yet.

You mentioned in the earlier recollection that:

"There were stacks of Sarah's photos, including some of it that had me in it and 2 boxes of those dolls, several boxes of those needles and 50 more bottles of those liquid all in 5l bottles."

Since they had your pictures too... and you were there all along protecting Sarah, it would be natural for them to also do something (BM) to you. Did they?
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No they didn't do anything to me as far as I know.

I believe the photos weren't really the mainstay of their BM, the mainstay of it were the needles and the dolls.


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This is the 2nd incident. Sorry its a very long read. This one is one of the ones that made me realize some people really can stoop low and it pays to have "protections" and after that incident every year I go make a trip to Thailand to replace my amulets. Metallic ones have a 2-5 year lifespan but it does lose its effectiveness as time goes by especially if you've had an attack or you frequently rely on it. Another thing, when you have an amulet never ever tell anyone of its existence and when you give one to your children, make sure they don't tell anyone what it is and even better?? They themselves don't know what it actually is as you can never tell what or who they would say something to.

This happened after the 14 months of very calm and harmonious time I had with the ex.... we never had a single fight at all, in fact the only thing we had a disagreement over had something to do with I did not like the body wash she had bought which we gave our maid to use. Yup it was seriously that good.

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QUOTE(LarryPizzaGuy @ May 13 2020, 02:37 AM)
What a read... erm.. thank you for taking the time to write your story..

If you don't mind me asking... how does those "needles" look like? From your story I could imagine them as being a literal metal needle, but having 300 of them stuck into the body would've been quite obvious to the naked eye.

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It depends, the one in her and the one I threw up looked very similar to those pin needles that you remove from a new shirt but shorter.

The one that was stuck to her tattoos are short 1" ones and very thin, similar in thickness to a mechanical pencil lead and it could break as easily too. That was the first time I was seeing a needle like that and it was really sharp as well.

The ones that were being shot at me, short pin needles.

The ones that shot out from my children.... this one fairly similar to the ones that were in the tattoo with the only difference being it is sharp on both ends.

The one that was pulled out from her ears? This one looked more like those used by cobblers and it looked eerily similar to those used as part of a Kavadi during Thaipusam.

QUOTE(V429 @ May 13 2020, 10:27 AM)
So this was the turning point that turned the relationship towards reconciliation? If so it's quite a turning point. I must say you are somewhat unnecessarily mean by bringing another lady to the negotiations just to spite her.. then again who am I to say as someone who doesnt have the full picture.

Also I admit I chuckled when I read her parents wanting to matchmake and marry her off to someone else. She simply loves you way too much for their plan to work.

If only she knew what you have done for her and both your children.
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Yes, admittedly I was definitely mean to her.

They were well aware she was very much in love with me. They also realized all their bad mouthing wasn't working and they knew I'd never be the type that would support them or their ways.

Her father was very desperate to get back the factory and his house, that other guy's family operated 4 petrol stations and basically had the money to give him what he wanted but their son was simply the type that despite all the money no girl wanted him.

I thought that was the turning point but then came the 2nd incident that made me reevaluate the whole thing with her and I was very much ready to never be with her again but she turned a new leaf.

QUOTE(Jules @ May 13 2020, 03:24 PM)
OK, acupuncturist cum medium, that's new and scary to me.

Just one question though. How do the needles appear or manifest? I mean like the time you and the Thai shaman were in the restaurant and the needles just appeared from thin air and attacked the amulet?
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I just realized for some reason when I deleted off some of the details I also removed the part on the needles.

During the time when the shaman was speaking to me at the house, he did ask me if I was aware what was in my bag. I carried a Samsonite laptop carrier. I told him just my laptop and some files.

At the restaurant as I never leave my backpack in the car I brought it into the restaurant. The needles were all within one of the compartments in that backpack. He asked me to open and take a look what was in that compartment and that's when I saw those needles.

Once the compartment was opened it simply was all over the place, this part I had not much recollection of it.

QUOTE(agewisdom @ May 14 2020, 01:03 AM)
Thanks for sharing, though it sounds like a script out from a movie. You're definitely one gutsy person to do what you did.  sweat.gif
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When it comes to paranormal you do need to be brave and daring to deal with it as if you are not the more it would consume you.

QUOTE(onetwoswitch @ May 14 2020, 11:56 AM)
From what I have read, heard and seen so far, we will never know if we became a victim of BM. Do you also think so? Or if there are any signs to look out for, do u mind educating us?
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Some pointers on this matter, do note that this will differ from person to person.

Some signs :-

1.) Constantly getting sick.
2.) Constantly being unable to remember incidents or that you have a certain break in timelines that you keep having zero recollection of what you did. The reason for this is often BMs will make you somewhat unconscious to your surroundings.
3.) Do you feel that your temper has changed... are you always irritable. Suddenly consume a lot more alcohol or cigs?

Finally the one clearest sign.... do you suddenly feel as if your body is not your own.

Usually it is easier for someone close to you to discover that you been BMed than it is for you to know yourself.

Personally for that time I was under BM, I had zero clue at all and to be honest I had zero recollection of what was happening to me for 2 weeks.....so glad during those 2 weeks I wasn't working.
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QUOTE(gashout @ May 14 2020, 07:50 PM)
and you still do share with us.

Thank you very much for the time to write. As some people give in many ways, you gave us your time in reading some fascinating stories here.

Again, the needle part is spooky!!! Last I check my needles are in the sewing box to do some repairs.

Putting aside paranormal activities, are you loving your wife (ex wife?) again? Patching up the marriage from worse to better?

Wishing you a good time in Shanghai.
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Thanks.

After our 2nd incident, we did reconcile and then remarried again.

To be honest, after that 2 incidents where I realized I wasn't immune to BMs especially if I myself was careless I have become much more careful.... mostly implemented a no visitor to our home policy and have mostly stopped having overnite guest at our home.
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Until the end, we didn’t know what was it as it didn’t succumb to any treatment. Gladly, whatever that was in that house stayed there. No such incidents took place thereafter in my condo or SIL’s new rented place. But the experience definitely left some of us spooked. SIL does not sleep alone ever since, she sleeps with PIL (facepalm).
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Did you feel anything unusual when the video distorted?

When you and wife were working and there were noises did either of you feel anything?

I believe the reason for that problem is during the construction phase there was an accident or fight on the premise and more than 1 person was murdered there.

I think the house owner was very well aware of the situation in the house and probably knows what happened.

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QUOTE(V429 @ May 15 2020, 10:55 AM)
So the church guy she was briefly with came after the 2nd incident? I think the finally turning point is what you mentioned above 'she turned a new leaf', this is when you let her see the kids & stay for 5 days but once she arrived she never left right? Sorry, a bit fuzzy on the timeline.
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The 2nd incident was from 11/2018 mostly.

That church guy showed up at the church in 1/2019 just before the house was demolished.

She let me take on the children 6/2019 (last week of it)

Last week of 8/2019 she came back and never left. This is where she decided to turn a new leaf.



QUOTE(Jules @ May 15 2020, 12:03 PM)
You know, I really pity your wife's family because of your FIL's doing. I guess the biggest lesson in life here is, don't be greedy, and do not cheat. Unfortunately for your FIL karma hit real bad before he even got to enjoy anything. I wonder what's going on in his mind now. I hope he's realised his mistakes.

On a little side note, and I know I have no place to say this, but perhaps just visit your in laws? At least your MIL was the most innocent one. She doesn't deserve the treatment.
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Unfortunately that's the sad reality, between his ego, selfishness and stupidity he has ruined the livelihoods of many... siblings, nephews, nieces, wives and children as well as employees.

As for the MIL and FIL, visiting them isn't something we can do right now, last March we moved to Shanghai and before we left things were mostly a cold war because MIL told the wife she been disowned, something to do with a dispute they had in December where FIL told MIL he would like to live in a house rather than at a care home, MIL was living with us at that time and wanted to bring him to live with us in our house, wife said no as it wasn't convenient and she did not want the stress of having him in the house. Wife has decided she had done enough for them and to her only the children are #1... everything else doesn't matter.


QUOTE(9m2w @ May 15 2020, 12:12 PM)
Just out of curiosity, in your experience would needles used in this kind of stuff show up on X-Rays? I did a lumbar X-Ray once doctor spotted something that sort of looked like a needle around my waist. He laughed it off as maybe a needle used in BM. But out of curiosity we did do an ultrasound to find out what it was but didnt see anything which was puzzling. We didnt bother to repeat the X-ray because of the hassle involved
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This one I can answer you.

This guy I knew was messing with one girl from Sarawak, basically a married 45 year old guy who messed with an early 20s Iban girl who worked as a massage girl... even got her pregnant. He asked her for some time to settle the 1st wife and promised he would come back for her within the year. She found out he was playing her out and went to see one very powerful shaman.

I took a flight with him. KLIA - SIN.

When we were leaving KLIA, it definitely sets off the metal detectors and the handheld ones as well.

When we were leaving Singapore he wasn't allowed to board because it kept setting off the detectors. One of the body scanners at Changhi could pick up that he had metallic objects within his body and they brought him for an X-Ray.

They showed him the needles within his body after that. He wasn't allowed to board.

We took a bus and then brought him to SDMC where they did an Ultrasound on him, it didn't pick up. When they did a MRI on him, it did pick it up.

It was the MRI technician that told him most likely he had been BMed.


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I know I am missing from here of late.

Currently swamped with a major project and 2 newborn babies that are stuck in NICU, both are fine and can breathe on their own but a bit underweight. Bloody pain as for me to be anywhere near them I need to go through a showering and disinfecting process, be in protective gear and wear a breathing apparatus as I'm allowed to breath in the air in the hospital but the air exhaled has to be stored in a bag which is then released outside. Can't use any electronic devices while in there as these can't be brought into that area even.

Hope things will calm down a bit in the next few weeks but most likely won't be able to carry any of them for at least 100 days. Feel so strange can't even carry or touch my own babies and could only see them through 3 layers of plastic and glass.

Thankfully the mummy is fine, no complications this time round and is recovering well.
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From the Christian and Jewish perspective, even believers of the Bible who disobey the relevant commandments/laws of God (eg DEUT.18:9-21) will still be cursed by God/Jesus-Christ with demonic afflictions, ie they should consult God/Jesus-Christ and His prophets/pastors/teachers on how to live their lives on earth(1JOHN.5:18), not consult the false prophets of Satan or demons, eg witches/sorcerers, mediums, psychics, fortune-tellers, soothsayers, bomohs, shamans, voodoo priests, sifus, ouija-boards, tarot-card readers, horoscope, dream-catchers, etc.
....... Eg BillCollector was a nominal Christian since the late 1990s(= converted when he was a college student in Texas, USA) but who then consulted bomohs during his pursuit of riches in Malaysia(= after marrying a M'sian Chinese female U student while he was working as an engineering architect in UK) and has likely ended up the worse for it. How come he has been quite inactive at this forum for nearly 1 year already.?

Such foolish Christian Law-breakers will likely suffer a sad and shortened demon-afflicted life on earth but may still be saved from hell by their repentance and their faith in Jesus Christ/God-in-the-flesh, eg 1COR.5:4-5.

Similarly, a Christian or Jew who broke the Law by committing murder or robbery/rape will still likely be arrested, convicted and executed or jailed by the government law-enforcement authorities - ROM.13.

Everyone is equal before the Law and before God/Jesus, whether he/she is of the Abrahamic or non-Abrahamic religions or non-religions, eg His law of ni4ni.(ROM.1:18-2:16)
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Wasn't aware this topic has been revived.

I haven't been active on here for various reasons, the first being I'm not too interested in any websites outside of China. Secondly, this board isn't a revenue generator for me unlike TikTok where my channel that counters sinophobia among other issues generates a healthy revenue and finally I'm not exactly in a position to spare the time to participate on this board as I'm barely able to manage the comments on my TikTok. My most recent video of me being vaccinated has over a million comments. No way I'll be able to go through all the comments and likes.

Everyone equal before the law? Please cut that crap. You should know that ain't true and never will be true. Money = power = freedom = justice. You've got money?

 

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