QUOTE(tonyckt @ Jul 2 2020, 10:43 PM)
Both are ILP plan.Life plan & Medical Plan.
Btw SPE medical plan can be customize base on different purpose.
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QUOTE(Yamcookies66 @ Jul 3 2020, 08:26 AM) Hi, I need a third unbiased opinion. For ILP premium not fix. It will be revise from time to time (not often) base on cost of insurance (depending company & riders) and fund performance (yes you need the fund name to study) and also the sustainable illustration y the time you sign up. So I have two agents from two different companies proposing me ILP plans. Which one do you think will be worth it for my long-term commitment? Company A: Monthly premium: RM180 Life: RM100k CI: RM50k (multiple claims including early stages etc.) PA: 50k Medical card: Co-insurance RM300 (The agent reasoned with me that since their medical card is cheaper than the rest, actually I could save more and use the saved money to pay RM300 when I need to use the medical card) Company B: Monthly premium RM210 Life: RM100k CI: RM50k (including diabetes benefits & etc.) PA: RM50k Medical card: Zero deductible At first I was going for Company A but the difference between A and B is only RM30. So if I go for Company A, I would only save RM30x12 months = RM360 per year. Whereas I could use that money to buy plan from Company B with cashless admission. However, Company A reasoned that I won't be going to the hospital every year. I think that it's like a gamble. Company B: I pay annually an extra of RM360 more than Company A's premium but I can use the medical card hassle-free, but also I may be healthy and not have to use the medical card OR Company A: I can save RM360 for a few years if I never do any claims. Which one is worth the risk/gamble? I'm leaning towards Company B but I have to hear an unbiased opinion. For me ... I don't comment at the moment without solid information. Anyway, you can check & compare the "sustainable" & "Insurance cost" in both illustration table. Good luck |
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QUOTE(sl3ge @ Jul 6 2020, 06:49 PM) Hi guys depending how you learn the information.I am getting a 200k house loan and the mrta being offered for 200k is rm6500 (25 year) & my age is 34 non smoker. Wonder if i go buy an basic cheap life insurance 200k for 25 year will the bank accept? And usually how much will the cost of the insurance in this case? Thanks Bank MRTA cover for bank loans only. Self insurance will pay to you or family according to what you plan. Term life cheaper than ILP life. But less benefits. If budget allow, go for ILP life. Anyhow, low better than zero |
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QUOTE(tachlio @ Jul 19 2020, 04:59 PM) Hi all Halo friend,Looking for advise for my wife life + TDP + illness insurance upgrade Currently, she cover with - 1.32m medical / annual / unlimited lifetime - 300k life/TDP/illness Last month, just diagnose with SLE but condition is very mild which only need take medicine to maintain the situation Now we looking to increase the 500k life/TDP/illiness coverage (looking for good insurance charge and at least cover till 75/99 YO) Need some opinion of what kind of plan we can consider? So sorry to tell SLE under GE 45 CI. I believe your wilfe plan is GE medical. The plan design can choose CI sum assured share with LIFE. Got SEPCC rider? Smart Early Payout CriticalCare. You can contact your agent to learn the claim info. If the plan design is 300K life/TPD + 300K CI share. You can ask for this "Buy Back Option" benefits if you got SEPCC rider. Maximum sum assured base on the SEPCC amount. |
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QUOTE(salem74 @ Jul 21 2020, 09:09 PM) Hi, I'm currently 34 y/o, non smoker Halo friend,My main concern is just hospital admission coverage and outpatient treatment for cancer. Would like to ask the sifus here about recommendations for investment link policy with minimum coverage for life/total permanent disability(as i had already had another savings type life/TPD insurance) +waiver in case of having CI/TPD. +annual limit may be 500k-1m +lifetime unlimited -Life/TPD amount as low as possible Thank you. RM225 by GE. RM990K medical annually and benefits as requested salem74 liked this post
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QUOTE(strategist @ Jul 25 2020, 12:02 AM) i have an investment-linked medical card. But been having second thoughts lately. Yes term life insurance & standalone medical still available. Just want to ask whether are there any companies still offering term insurance? (anything that is not investment-linked). Reason being I trust myself doing the investment more than paying a fee for insurance company to do it. Other than sum assured or so call coverage amount, Term life & Standalone less benefits / riders to be add. Suggest you get quote and compare the plan / benefits till old age. At least you can estimate the outcome in future. |
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QUOTE(ikey2211 @ Jul 28 2020, 10:32 PM) Hi Sifu 1 . I'll recommend medical to be plan for longer coverage. Especially cover during old age. This plan waiver included for TPD/ CI?Just got a quote from Allianz for policy below: CI 300K Life 100K PA 100K R & B 200 Medical 1.5m(Annual limit) Lifetime limit unlimited. waiver of premium Age 26, M, non-smoker, Class 1. Premium is RM350 /month, coverage period 31 years. 1. Should i increase my premium to extend the coverage period? 2. Any area i can improve? 3. For Rm350/month can i get much better coverage from other insurance company? Background: single, no debt, annual income around 70k-90k. 2 . If ILP look for longer sustainable coverage period. Depending you want 1 plan cover ABC or get basic medical plan + Life plan with CI coverage. Many way can design according your situation need. Agent shall advice if they know you well. 3 . Hmm.. not easy to company all companies product because policy design might not using the same cover period options. Example for GE current medical plan we can choose policy till age 70, 80 & 90 only. Roughly check with GE MPOS. Same amount similar coverage sustainable till 71 / 77 age. QUOTE(lovingforyou @ Jul 28 2020, 10:53 PM) Hi all sifu Believe this is the plan you talking about .. minimum 5 years contribution term My mum bought Great Eastern Takaful Supreme I last year with RM50,000 yearly contribution, and today suddenly her bank account auto debit another RM50k and she was shocked. My mum having misunderstanding with the agent who sold her last year. My mum was 62 years old last year, premium due date tomorrow, auto debit RM50k today. Then i just knew this matter and look into the insurance policy. I found that it's something like 1st year RM50,000, death benefit RM43,000 Surrender value is only RM22,000++, it's really ridiculous. Anyway, i wish to settle on this matter, due my mum thought only one time investment of RM50,000 and get 15% cash payout guarantee. What solution i have currently, reduce the yearly contribution to lowest amount (RM6k / year) and surrender it after few years? or any other option Sorry i'm having basic knowledge about insurance only, not really know deep about it, seeking for sifus advice Edit add on: My mum opened ocbc 360 account i trying to get some interest from her liquid fund, and i think the bank officer aim my mum and talking sweet things to my mum that my mum definitely no idea she is buying a "insurance". The serving agent consider to scam and trap my mum for purchasing RM50k yearly contribution policy, to cover RM43k death benefit? I'm really sick about it, all the monies are my mum retirement fund. Hope i get some solution or what is the best way to do to save the monies. Appreciate https://www.ocbc.com.my/OCBCAl_Amin/pb_takaful.shtml better refer to policy in hand. |
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QUOTE(Vincentccw @ Aug 6 2020, 09:43 AM) Yes I'm aware of that but does the 'drastic' drop happened to all other insurance companies, as the drop is quite drastic, even my AIA insurance agent surrendered her own AIA medical policy and sign up with another insurance company. Dropped 7 yrs of sustainabilities in 1 year is no joke. Halo friend,Your case can happen to any ILP plan any companies. ILP sustainable depending how your plan been design Riders in your plan (this effecting COI) Sum assured (same as above) Funds choose (different performance & management charge) And your condition of entry age. The earlier you start, with good return of fund performance will help reduce the drop. My recommendation to prospect get the medical plan with sustainable over Age80. May be till Age 83-85 Some buffer for inflation |
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QUOTE(Vincentccw @ Aug 6 2020, 10:13 AM) Yeah my initial quote was 80 but i think i reduce to 78 due to budget restriction last time. And I realised that every year there is a minor drop in sustainability until beginning of this year the drop increased to 2-3 yrs. Then what's happening is normal scenario if you reduced premium without reduce coverageAnother thing you can do, check the fund performance in your plan. May be switch to Fix Income type for time been. Same to myself. We switch some policies fund in Mar / Apr. For GE policy holder, they can do it in eConnect portal. |
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 9 2020, 07:43 PM) thanks for telling, so i guess the more appropriate or morally correct phrase or reason to tell the public to buy medical insurance at a younger age instead of when older is NOT about cheaper cost to buy BUT more of the risk of having pre existing condition at older age. Nothing about cheaper to pay (or cost cheaper) as the cost can go up after signing it due to factors as mentioned by GE David, and premium can also go up with age after signing as mentioned by Cherroy From $$$ point of view. Yes Mr B save his premium for 20 years. From life planner point of view, Mr B taking risk for 20 years. According to this theory Mr B can save his premium provided he didn't strike by any serious accident & illness. Also nothing wrong with his health checkup report by the time he signup medical plan 20 years later. Anyhow you got to compare by actual facts. My own medical plan RM2xx monthly signup since 2016. Today, I key in the same benefits and coverage.. I got to pay RM5xx/month if I start a new plan right now. I was Age3x 2016. now Age4x 2020. If you are comparing with standalone. The price table quite transparent. Many insurance company website can get. Is either company accept you, or loading, or loading with condition or reject. No waiver rider can be add. A none smoker tell his smoker friend :"Hey kawan, you can save cigarette money and buy a VIOS now if you stop smoking 20 years ago" The smoker friend reply :" You are right kawan, where is your extra VIOS now?" SO ... no right or wrong. Is about you understand the consequence of your own choice. |
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QUOTE(UrbanGraduate @ Oct 22 2020, 02:54 AM) Is this too high for insurance under 30? Depending you want to pay low for now or pay high later.Premium: RM300/month Coverage amount: RM 100,000 A-Lifelink 2 (Death Benefit): RM 100,000 A-PlusDisabilityCare (TPD): RM 100,000 A-PlusCriticalCare: RM 100,000 Medical Limit: RM 1,500,000 (no lifetime limit) Deductible: RM 300 R&B: RM 200 Hospital Income: RM 100/day Should I aim lower? Paying low might still get the same protection but shorter sustainable. When insurance cost repricing then faster affecting your monthly premium. Anyhow, start a new plan ASAP is important for your medical protection. Be honest with your agent if really budget constrain. Riders adjustable. |
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Not all insurance company repricing allow to choose accept / not accept.
Please check carefully when you receive the notice. Price adjust according to insurance cost in your plan. Including all the riders, coverage, waiver of policy years which all these calculated base on your age/ sex/ class and health risk. That's why everyone different cost even though some comparing the same plan. Technically the repricing shd fulfill the projection of current sustainable years. Example for GE medical SPE80. The premium suppose to sustain till life assure age 80. This post has been edited by tyenfei: Oct 30 2020, 12:31 PM |
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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Oct 30 2020, 01:26 PM) Not sure about old plan.For GE most of the new plan got different paying monthly vs yearly. Example ILP medical / Life policy, paying in yearly will have more cash value in projection compare with monthly. This affecting sustainable period If you exiting policy was generated base on yearly payment sustainable age80. Change of payment mode to monthly may affect the sustainable. Simple calculation. Every month investment RM10 you can earn extra RM1 . You need 12 months time to accumulate RM120 In yearly mode you can have RM120 at the beginning. And start earning extra RM12 monthly in 1st month |
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QUOTE(Oklahoma @ Nov 25 2020, 09:57 PM) Hi what's the ideal insurance premium monthly for a family of 4? Good day friend,With spouse and 2 children. Life + Medical Medical coverage for all is the basic you have to plan for. You & spouse as income earner (or may be you only) better to have higher life sum assured (in case of TPD/ Death) Critical illness as income protection if budget available. usually 2 way of suggestion, 1 base on your current available monthly budget plan accordingly. 2 base on how much you want to cover, select plan then key in all information to calculate the premium. To get proper & accurate figure, need all age/sex/work information. Most of the time for 1st time buyer will need a few round of discussion and think over. If can, start medical plan asap. Start low better than zero. |
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QUOTE(jeffree bkt @ Nov 27 2020, 08:20 PM) Hi insurance Sifus, Request agents do policy review and compare 1st. Compare with same company and others.Recently, i received an email i need top up my premium due to inflation. My insurance under Allianz. Powerlink. I pay montly Rm150.The suggested amount increase by Rm115. 33. Been paying since 2015 Currently 29. Here my questions. 1) Should i coutinue pay 150 or fellow d suggested amt. My worry is later my cost of insurance will getting higher as age is increasing. 2)Should i surrender d policy?Look for more better ILP within my budget arround 3)or any good advice. Thx n appreciate. Don't simply surrender. Even if you plan to start with another plan. Please take note the compare is not only premium, but also the coverage and benefits. Most important learn "sustainable illustration" learn more info about fund chosen. COI will raise for sure. The more riders and bigger amount you covered, the more cost in future for sure. If your premium been designed as lower as possible with wide of coverage and fund chosen doesn't well perform .. oh ya. Amount of increase ternately higher. That's why everyone policy repricing amount is different. Some only RM30 .. and some RM300. This post has been edited by tyenfei: Nov 27 2020, 08:47 PM jeffree bkt liked this post
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QUOTE(taiping... @ Dec 6 2020, 02:21 PM) Pls review my thoughts What is the amount of "sufficient"?As of now, i am currently covered sufficiently by my company for medical and life If i were to retire in the same company at say 60, and then get medical and life, would it b feasible? What is the premium difference if i bought since 30 and the price of the premium at 60 compared to when i buy at 60? Will company reduce the coverage in future? Company may change plan in future, your personal health status need to be update from time to time. Once company's staffs claim reach a trigger point, the next year premium increase around 30%. Many might not agree with me. My personal advise it is better to plan your own ILP medical coverage for safe. If you still affordable at the moment. Around RM200 - 300 for age below 30. 1. You can't guarantee your health status fit fit for next 30 years. 2. Your age getting higher for sure. 3. You start earlier, premium lower. Start later premium higher. 4. Don't calculative say start early never claim and use so wasted. You actually earn the waiting period and accumulating fund in your plan. For real case sharing. My own medical plan RM200 monthly start in 2016. (age 3x) If I want to start a new plan with the same coverage now Dec2020, I need to pay RM550 monthly. (age 4x) Yes I did the calculation with my GE MPOS. Honestly no one can give you best recommendation base on few sentence you share. Life planner always need to do fact finding in order to give proper advice. My opinion, get ILP plan now ..if budget ok. Else get standalone to tahan 1 or 2 years. Really no choice then only fully rely on company medical. And you still need to learn the coverage content and limitation .. every year. Age 60 still far away. How bout covid19? This one really close now. If get infected and recover then want to start medical plan ...insurance company will ask you to wait .. |
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QUOTE(jhodyj @ Dec 10 2020, 11:51 PM) I came across GE smart medic million campaign at GE official website. Does GE promises the extra 2m annual limit is free for whole life if we sign up before 31 december? GE reserve the right for rider cost in future. Client have the option to continue or not this extra 2M rider by that time. Think, eventually medical cost will raised. Same to medical insurance cost. For common practice most of the ILP medical start with minimum 1M coverage. A young one will need to look for upgrade may be 5 or 10 years later for sure. Usually not much options for "upgrade" but to change of plan. This you need underwriter approval. Unless you still in good shape and no serious claim record. In this case you already in the extra 2m plan. If GE charge it, you have the options. And no waiting period or clause I read in the campaign brochure. refer T&C here : https://www.greateasternlife.com/content/da...paign-flyer.pdf Other than amount of medical coverage, there are many features add on to GE new SMM medical plan. As GE agent, I didn't hesitate upgraded my kids medical to this SMM new plan. I may not plan multi million legacy for them. But I can plan multi million coverage for their lifetime with really low cost in their future |
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QUOTE(il0ve51 @ Dec 16 2020, 05:08 PM) hi guys noob question here, i got medical insurance on my friend on 2016 at 3k per year / 250 per month. i know he is getting commission first few years, as time pass the commission get lower. recently he find me again and proposed better benefit and remain 3k per year but i see his commission column have renew again to higher percentage. was wonder if he keep proposed and renew my policy to better plan meaning my allocated premium is getting lesser right? is like pay him more than i pay insurance company. should i reject the proposal even the upgrade benefit sound good. For sure your friend get commission when you sign up new plan.ps: i hardly sick and claim insurance one. purpose of buying one is of course own responsibility for my family and reduce tax. please advice But don't take it as the main reason you reject the proposal. Everyone get income by provide service, sales trade. That's nature of business. Everyone make money from us every day every moment. Water, phone bill, petrol, car, foods, drinks. Even you can cook yourself every meal. You don't work for free right? So, I'm suggesting you to study the benefits. Compare. If worth and needed, change while you still acceptable by insurance company. example, some old policy CI survival period is 30 days. New one can be 7 - 14 days. Outpatient benefits such as MRI/PET scan / Zika dengue treatment Or may be longer sustainable. If this friend ask you to surrender current plan now to sign new one, then he really NOT a GOOD AGENT / FRIEND. He shd advise you what to do with current one, you still need it if any serious claim that new plan haven't pass waiting period. The most matter not how much insurance company will pay for his commission.. it is the cost insurance company will cover you, when you need it JIUHWEI liked this post
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QUOTE(mataharih @ Dec 23 2020, 01:20 PM) Hi, would like to ask the shifus' advice for my insurance plan. For ILP please include TPD/CI waiver. That's the unique benefit compare with standalone.Am thinking of switching my current investment-linked medical plan from Prudential to AIA since my current workplace is using AIA as the company insurance and I feel that AIA has higher coverage, easier claims process, plus it's linked to AIA Vitality, which I also use. Also, I feel that the reputation for AIA is slightly better than Prudential as I've been to the hospital using my AIA company card for physiotherapy, and I often overhear the admins bitching about Prudential's claims process. Currently, have the most basic PruValue Med plan for RM150 per month (soon to be RM170 next month due to the price hike): PruLink One Death/Disability: RM30k Crisis Shield: RM30k Enhanced Prupayor Basic: RM1.8k R&B: RM200 PruValue Med Points: RM1mil Deductible: RM300 Coverage: until age 70 (current age: 34, F, non-smoker) Had this plan for three years already and the fund value is minimal, so I don't really care about the returns at all, just the death/disability payout, if anything happens to me (no dependents, but the money would help pay for funeral expenses, loans, etc). Since I utilize the company card, the Pru med card is just for back-up. An AIA agent has drafted a quotation for me for both investment-linked and standalone: Quote 1: (investment linked) A-Plus Health Death/Disability: RM50k 39 Critical Illness: RM50k PA: RM100k Annual limit: RM1.5mil Life time limit: unlimited Deductible: RM300 R&B: RM200 (Gold Vitality members can get this increased to RM300) Yearly health wallet: RM1.5k, provided there are no claims for that year Prevention benefit (health screenings/vaccines/etc): RM300/yearly Coverage: until age 80 Premium: RM290 Quote 2: A-PHS Standalone Annual limit: RM1.375mil Lifetime limit: unlimited R&B: RM200 Yearly Health Wallet Amount: RM1,250 Prevention benefit: RM300 every two years Outpatient physiotherapy: RM6K per year Coverage: until age 80 Premium: RM152 Judging by the premiums, there's a difference of RM138 and I am not sure it's worth it to get an investment linked product, when I'll just be using the card as a backup card. I can always invest the extra difference in ASB/UT as well. Am quite undecided whether to go for the investment linked card or the standalone card...keep hearing that it's better to separate insurance from investment. Also, another good thing about AIA is that it offers goodies in terms of the Vitality app, plus the prevention benefit (Prudential doesn't offer this). However, is the higher premium worth it for me to switch from Prudential to AIA? Am relatively healthy, no surgeries or claims for the past three years on my personal card. Immediate family health history is clean as a whistle as well. Appreciate your advice. Please take note standalone always cheaper than ILP. But why? Ask for the table, check how much you need to pay when reach age 51,56,61,66. Don't rely on company insurance. It is bonus for small minor incident. You may change to other company. Company may reduce the coverage. Cover limit much lesser compare personal plan. And better to keep your exiting medical plan for minimum 1 year. Better 2 years. To avoid why you can't claim direct to your new medical card if serious illness within 24 months. mataharih liked this post
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