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TSlex11
post Feb 27 2020, 04:49 PM, updated 6y ago

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Hi all! I need some help in getting the right direction to seek some legal advice concerning condo's Joint Management Body (JMB). My building JMB hasn't done a proper in building maintenance for many years and some of the residents are getting really frustrated with the non-performing JMB. Can someone provide contact details of authority/legal resources that I can contact and send my questions to? Are the any reading materials regarding the power of JMB that I can go through? By the way, I live in Ampang?

Thanks a lot!
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post Feb 27 2020, 04:53 PM

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If all the residents are frustrated, why not vote them out, they are elected by you the resident
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post Feb 27 2020, 04:56 PM

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go to COB and lodge a complaint
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post Feb 27 2020, 05:04 PM

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Ministry of local housing and development can help. Go ask them.

I also had the same issues before. However, if the residents are frustrated then must go to JMB meeting and voice out. Most of the time residents are too lazy of busy to attend and thus the JMB goes into a rotten mode.

Its by law you need a JMB now so the powers and process is well documented.
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post Feb 27 2020, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Feb 27 2020, 04:53 PM)
If all the residents are frustrated, why not vote them out, they are elected by you the resident
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If management office play proxy game how?

Got solution?
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post Feb 27 2020, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(Hades76 @ Feb 27 2020, 05:04 PM)
Ministry of local housing and development can help. Go ask them.

I also had the same issues  before. However, if the residents are frustrated then must go to JMB meeting and voice out. Most of the time residents are too lazy of busy to attend and thus the JMB goes into a rotten mode.

Its by law you need a JMB now so the powers and process is well documented.
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This is basically the problem.

Owners just whine in WA group etc, but refuse to get organised and step up. So just noise with no concrete work done.

Just like my JMB, always got that 1 or 2 fella who complain this and that. We urge them to come to during the meeting to voice out their concern, but every meeting never show up. How lah?
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post Feb 27 2020, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Feb 27 2020, 05:15 PM)
This is basically the problem.

Owners just whine in WA group etc, but refuse to get organised and step up. So just noise with no concrete work done.

Just like my JMB, always got that 1 or 2 fella who complain this and that. We urge them to come to during the meeting to voice out their concern, but every meeting never show up. How lah?
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No choice but to organise the meeting and state there no quorum is needed to pass any resolution. Then if got only 3 people there, you all set the rules lah.

Its drastic, but no choice. Just have to bulldoze. Ensure all minutes is taken care off and distributed properly.
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post Feb 27 2020, 05:22 PM

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Hi TS,

Please download Akta 757 Pengurusan Strata to have better understanding on JMB/MC. You might find something from there.
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post Feb 27 2020, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Feb 27 2020, 05:15 PM)
This is basically the problem.

Owners just whine in WA group etc, but refuse to get organised and step up. So just noise with no concrete work done.

Just like my JMB, always got that 1 or 2 fella who complain this and that. We urge them to come to during the meeting to voice out their concern, but every meeting never show up. How lah?
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People like to complaint if the problem directly involve them self, the fact is some of the owner never pay the maintenance fee. When JMB don't have the fund to maintain the apartment,flat,condo then bigger problem will arise. It is a headache for JMB to collect from those who never pay their bill. COB also the same, always let JMB to settle their problem and occasionally provide advice. If you have a strong JMB committee it might help to do the awareness campaign, but JMB committee also have other works to do.

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post Feb 28 2020, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(CaEsAr HaIrI @ Feb 27 2020, 05:22 PM)
Hi TS,

Please download Akta 757 Pengurusan Strata to have better understanding on JMB/MC. You might find something from there.
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Thanks for the tip!
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post Feb 28 2020, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(stryfox @ Feb 27 2020, 04:56 PM)
go to COB and lodge a complaint
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What does COB stand for? Sorry, not familiar with that abbreviation.
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post Feb 28 2020, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(Zwean @ Feb 27 2020, 05:10 PM)
If management office play proxy game how?

Got solution?
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as far as I know, one person can only be one proxy. New rules I think. so, yeah, no more one management get 200 proxies
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post Feb 28 2020, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(lex11 @ Feb 28 2020, 10:57 AM)
Thanks for the tip!
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go buy, online version not up to date, does not have the Regulation 2015 at the back
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post Feb 28 2020, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(Yveatel @ Feb 28 2020, 11:01 AM)
as far as I know, one person can only be one proxy. New rules I think. so, yeah, no more one management get 200 proxies
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They prepare one stack of proxy forms.

Then ask every owner if they can attend, if cannot they will ask them sign proxy form.

Then come in Bangla Pakistani all also got vote heavily biased towards management. They don't understand English, so how do they know how to vote?

And when raise hands all raise together, you know I know confirm follow someone indication.
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post Feb 28 2020, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(Zwean @ Feb 28 2020, 11:28 AM)
They prepare one stack of proxy forms.

Then ask every owner if they can attend, if cannot they will ask them sign proxy form.

Then come in Bangla Pakistani all also got vote heavily biased towards management. They don't understand English, so how do they know how to vote?

And when raise hands all raise together, you know I know confirm follow someone indication.
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this confirm violation and exploitation of loopholes of the Act, so the management can stay in power and continue makan duit. pakat with your neighbout and vote in to be JMB, no need many, at least majority. then when inside, kick the management company out
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post Feb 28 2020, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(Yveatel @ Feb 28 2020, 11:31 AM)
this confirm violation and exploitation of loopholes of the Act, so the management can stay in power and continue makan duit. pakat with your neighbout and vote in to be JMB, no need many, at least majority. then when inside, kick the management company out
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Last AGM 40+ owners and 40+ proxies.

Many owners uncertain of the story. So votes are split. Terrible.
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QUOTE(Zwean @ Feb 28 2020, 11:41 AM)
Last AGM 40+ owners and 40+ proxies.

Many owners uncertain of the story. So votes are split. Terrible.
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you do not need AGM to remove management company. When you said JMB is doing terrible job, most likely is the management company which is controlling from behind. As you said, most owners are not aware of the strata law. Some management company dont even know the law, and continue to suck the money from condo.
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post Feb 28 2020, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(Yveatel @ Feb 28 2020, 11:57 AM)
you do not need AGM to remove management company. When you said JMB is doing terrible job, most likely is the management company which is controlling from behind. As you said, most owners are not aware of the strata law. Some management company dont even know the law, and continue to suck the money from condo.
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Committee selected are puppets, and do not carry out the will of the owners.

Suspect that they may be part of the issue.
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post Feb 28 2020, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(Zwean @ Feb 28 2020, 11:59 AM)
Committee selected are puppets, and do not carry out the will of the owners.

Suspect that they may be part of the issue.
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so, vote yourself in and kick out management company...

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post Feb 28 2020, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(Yveatel @ Feb 28 2020, 12:21 PM)
so, vote yourself in and kick out management company...
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With 40 proxies?

Management chosen committee members 40 votes all of them.

All non selected around 25 votes saja.
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post Feb 28 2020, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(Zwean @ Feb 28 2020, 12:24 PM)
With 40 proxies?

Management chosen committee members 40 votes all of them.

All non selected around 25 votes saja.
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huh, why so many committee? Proxy cannot be JMB member, I mean management here refer as management company.

JMB member do not need to be so many. Besides, you can vote yourself into it and only a seconder to support. No need proxies la to be a JMB member. besides, you can seek for independent (not in Act) member though. Some condo pratise this especially the high end condo. Everytime meeting they will need to call few different independent owners into the meeting.
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post Feb 28 2020, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(Yveatel @ Feb 28 2020, 02:01 PM)
huh, why so many committee? Proxy cannot be JMB member, I mean management here refer as management company.

JMB member do not need to be so many. Besides, you can vote yourself into it and only a seconder to support. No need proxies la to be a JMB member. besides, you can seek for independent (not in Act) member though. Some condo pratise this especially the high end condo. Everytime meeting they will need to call few different independent owners into the meeting.
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Apologies for wording it incorrectly.

40+ votes for management selected committee members mostly votes from proxies.

Committee members only 5 in total, strongly voted against more by the proxies.
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post Feb 28 2020, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(Zwean @ Feb 28 2020, 02:25 PM)
Apologies for wording it incorrectly.

40+ votes for management selected committee members mostly votes from proxies.

Committee members only 5 in total, strongly voted against more by the proxies.
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bro, management company do not need to be done in AGM. it is under the power of JMB to kick them out. 5 JMB members can vote them out, call for open tender and compare price. I do on my own with my board to kick previous company out.
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post Feb 28 2020, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(Yveatel @ Feb 28 2020, 02:53 PM)
bro, management company do not need to be done in AGM. it is under the power of JMB to kick them out. 5 JMB members can vote them out, call for open tender and compare price. I do on my own with my board to kick previous company out.
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The 5 JMB members is pre-selected by the management company that is why they have sufficient votes during the AGM.

They are a gang, they support each other. They will not kick the management out because they are chosen by the management.
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QUOTE(Zwean @ Feb 28 2020, 03:27 PM)
The 5 JMB members is pre-selected by the management company that is why they have sufficient votes during the AGM.

They are a gang, they support each other. They will not kick the management out because they are chosen by the management.
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The new Act allows only maximum of 2 terms for exco, meanwhile 3 terms as ordinary member. No more than that. If they stays longer, can bring this to COB
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How to bring this to cob?

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post Aug 19 2020, 10:37 AM

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Those who is always very vocal against JMB during meeting usually will chicken out when owners suggest them to be part of JMB committee. All loud mouth.

 

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