Many Malaysians are now pursuing medicine due to the perceived good life that they will have in the future, i.e. moving to private sector where they will earn big bucks. Eventhough the situation in the public hospitals are overwhelming, they always convince themselves that once they join the private sector, they will lead a comfortable life raking in big money.

My question I would like to post is, does anyone know how much these specialists can earn in private, like say KPJ or Pantai hospitals? Some say more than RM100k a month, some say reaching RM40k is also considered good. So let's have a discussion on this so that we would have future doctors who enter the profession for passion, not just money per se. Appreciate any input that you guys might have! Thanks

great. meaning malaysian income now rm 100k a month?

because malaysian use generalization to think.

This post has been edited by ikankering: Jan 26 2020, 12:10 PM

One pint of corona

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...ot-enough-jobs/

Maybe yes, but small majority.

can join food delivery job.

They can join your pursuit of opening car wash to attain net income of 28k in 2020

some get Rm150k-300k per month

doc n supervisor can be fren fren lh liddat

My boss is a surgeon at gleaneagles and hukm rake in 400k++ per month

my son pediatrician sees 20-30 customers half day, 1 patient charge rm100 consultation fees, so u do the math

Yes BN would like u to believe our doctor is B40...

Plz belif them, so that only smart ppl become doctor

How is that even possible?? How many surgeries can a doctor do in month🤔

Really? How do you know that? Any source that you care to share with us?

Ur boss is what surgeon first. Sure is subspec kind. And he must be working like hell to get that.

Never pay tax can la...ask hospital to underpay then balance send to own consultation. My friend specialist OBYGN told me that. But 300k a month is over stated, 100-150k a month gross maybe, its the profit sharing end of year and bonus can earn you 500k-2m depending on jow high and femes you are. Another friend in a specialist center near St Georges school is a prof and dato also gets high profit sharing but monthly less than 200k. Perks are better if you are consultant specialists and above.
IRB going after these surgeons anyway..

Every industry also got people earning this amount

Brah if u r in private automatically u r a consultant specialist above

Unless u talking bout MO which is a different story, u shouldn't even be admitted under an MO.

There is no junior specialist etc in private hospitals. Even if they are young specialists they'll call themselves consultants. Lol

This post has been edited by arsenwagon: Jan 26 2020, 02:59 PM

i know someone, a specialist, rm120k/m

100k+average in private hospital per month

This post has been edited by Asgaard: Jan 26 2020, 03:01 PM

I have a good number of clients who are medical specialists. They start from RM40k a month and up

This is actually quite shocking to hear. I thought that specialists in private are undercutting each other and its a stiff competition. But getting rm150k a month is crazy amount of money! So whats the reality out there?

Hi there. Care to share the industry you in and how are you aware of the salary of medical specialists in the private sector? Its good to know so that everyone is informed. Thanks a lot!

What do you mean by that? Seems like many posts in this thread validates the perception of the majority that these medical specialists are raking in the moolah in the private sector!

You can start here: I am a service provider in the finance industry, so I get to see people's financial details

Medical specialists really start with RM40k in the private industries; but they are akin to running a business within the hospital, so their income can fluctuate quite a bit. Currently I am doing a service for a specialist, she earns about RM20k plus in her first month in the private sector after about 15 years in the public sector, and hey highest in come so far is RM60k.


You are right, medical specialists really do make money. Those who do not have first-hand knowledge/experience should not talk nonsense they do not know about; I am at the forfront of people's finances, I know more about my clients' finances than their own spouses

This post has been edited by wild_card_my: Jan 27 2020, 04:37 AM

My Brother inlaw Cardiac Surgeon +-RM280K/month, My sis in law Family Physician RM 12k/month.

I think even Doc himself can share some light on this, though he is a Singaporean surgeon and his compensation is probably among best in the world let alone best in Malaysia - Singapore....

That was very informative! Thx for the insight. But do all medical specialists earn that amount though in the private sector? I know they do make money but what is the average? With your experience I'm sure you would be able to give us some insight Yes I am aware that it's on a profit sharing model with the hospitals, and they do not get paid a salary.

Rm280k a month??? That's alot! Are you sure they earn that amount? What does it take to make that amount in a month?

Any source for your info? Thanks

Tag la serious

Depends, the physicians such as medical specialists like u said are very slowly paid. As they dont do procedures.
Whereas surgeons , orthopedics are well paid. On average 1.5m annual. But of course the training they went through is totally different between a surgeon and physician

surgical based.maybe starts at 50k
medical based maybe 30k
depend on nego:split with hospital
i know somebody who requested minimal staff (nurses) so he can have staff salary also

May I ask... whats the average age of these medical specialists and if there is data, at what age generally do they start earning these RM 40K pm salary.

Based on the stats released by BN and PH gov over the years, there are ballpark only 5K persons earning above RM 1 million, and of which around 2K persons earning above RM 2 million.

I always thought the CEOs and c-suites of top firms in Malaysia and MNCs are the ones earning above RM 2 million above.

Thanks for sharing. You are right, and I was surprised the person I was talking about only had a "masters".

Are there two pathways to specialization? Masters of medicine and.... Surgeon training? How does a doctor get to become a surgeon?

Average age, please dont ask me because I only have a handful of medical specialists that have engaged my services, I would not be able to give an accurate figure

But none of them are below the age of 40. I think that is the time when they would have completed their contract with the government. That specialist I was talking about was approached by the hospital (head hunted) to join them. She was contemplating for a while because she was considering her pension issues (not just the money, but the first class facilities her family would be afforded to)

What about gov MO and at what years they can get 5 figures?

MO lambat naik la, you need to go through the same politic-at-work process to get promotion. Waste time continue become MO unless you are vying for masters spot in the university

If you want 5-figures as a GP, quit MoH and apply for work at Alam Medic or similar private clinics. RM10k starting salary plus locum some more. That's 5-figures for you

This post has been edited by wild_card_my: Jan 27 2020, 05:47 PM

With the stress, training, headache and s*cks time management? RM280K is not a lot, can make more than that overseas I bet. Well, he just told me,never show me his bank account tho, however i have no reason to doubt him. He has properties everywhere, wife kids all lives comfortably, got d*t*ksri title, own few nice cars, and always gives minimum RM20k hongbao to my son every CNY. i remember he manages +-3 surgeries on daily basis.

I think even hksgmy make roughly $200k/month before tax, is that correct doc?

Of course you are not jumping out of university and get paid that amount.. you have to build your career + skill first.

Then being doc is like late bloomer group. Have to fill in years and schools time before getting that nice paycheck.

I guess pilot is still the best job to rake in money quick yeh?

YES. Ive only seen one commercial airline Pilot that drives a Myvi. That guy is loaded and has a 1.5M house in Cyberjaya but refuses to buy conti cars like his friends

Pilots have a lot of training requirements too but the pay off is huge. Do your hours, don't duck up, and you can easily earn RM100k a month in your 40s as long as you chose to continue flying (some pilots become lazy and do not fly anymore)

And ive heard they can start pilot school just right after spm.

That years off uni shoot up their salary projection like crazy. And they got gaya. People easily attracted to young macho pilot.

Hell if only i realized this facts before.

ahhh another celery tered

Every thing u said is accurate and I agree with you

They achieve financial freedom early in their life. My late 20s pilot clients all earn 5 figures of RM20+k a month

Sometimes you want to be rich earlier than later. I want to drive my 330i G20 at age of 31, not at 41. Only pilots and oil and gas engineers can afford those at young age, unlikely for other professions

And then there are people like me, but not all insurance agents are making bank; most got conned with their upline BMW and Merc. They cannot juggle work and rejections from prospects. They get recruited then wither away after 3 years.

p/s I haven't recruited agents yet, I bought my new car for myself not to action action to other people. Maybe I will start now. Who wants to becum an insurance agent? PM me. Im no nonsense, I will not train you. You can learn from me by watching me. That's it, no hand-holding

This post has been edited by wild_card_my: Jan 27 2020, 06:07 PM

He put a cheque in there?

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This post has been edited by Py80: Jan 27 2020, 06:11 PM

Thank you so much for sharing this. Appreciate it, keep them coming

Why don't most, if not all government based specialist that are not bound to their contracts quit their positions in the GH and make more moolah?

How does MoH retain these specialists, as I am told that the bests are always in government hospitals? Was I misled?

u forgot the anaesthetists

they don't
MoH never bothered to retain these specialists or the potential to be good specialists
that notion that the bests are in gov hosp are only referring to the tip of the iceberg
and these few stayed on generally due to various personal reasons, not for being blindly faithful to the ministry

Sorry I deleted the thread. Draws unwanted attention and there are people (dissatisfied or jealous) that may use to to attack the profession further.

Basically as people said 100k/month is not usually depending on specialty.

I will reply to your second question later. I'm actually just about to go out

While many graduates still queuing to be houseman...

Cash 😂.

Depends on how popular the medical Center and how popular the specialist is.
Lowest I heard of is less than 15k during bad month like during Chinese New Year.
Average in medium-sized town is30-40k for non-surgical based. Surgical based usually double the amount. Popular surgeons easily 150-200k in medium sized cities

Im currently servicing a medical specialist client, last year she was drawing RM9k basic with fixed allowances that brought her total gross monthly income to RM18k

She got into private hospital in the same year and now earns on average 40k a month on a 6-months payment vouchers. Not bad if I can say so myself

They should all leave GH!!

This post has been edited by wild_card_my: Jan 27 2020, 06:48 PM

Medical specialists can just take any external papers like those from uk and so on
Whereas surgical trainings take a very long time, sufferings, as you have to go through proper master programmes. However when u go to private the benefit is u get paid better.

Pls Pm me coz I'm contemplating chasing my dream which involves lots of cash but I need to think about ROI

Leaving MOH for money is an obvious choice. Few stay due to job satisfaction in MOH as fussy and difficult patient is more common in private compared to gomen. U can treat patient on what is right, not what the customer / patient wants. U have many subordinates eg. Housemen, medical officers, junior specialist at your beck and call while in private, you are on your own. You deserve to be paid more.
I know surgeons who does only few cases a week MO level cases and earn 50-200k/ mth while consultants in MOH doing few complex cases per day with 4 operating days per week and stuck at earning 15-20k/mth. Gomen are service oriented and not on case basis salaries while private surgeons draw their payment from each cases. You want gomen docs to earn more? Than vote to increase the current rm1-rm5 registration rate to something more lucrative.

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This post has been edited by Py80: Oct 4 2020, 04:50 PM

High risk high reward

Before you can even work private must be bonded to public.

Make sure you ask about how long to work in private before making that kind of money.

And since there is a shortage of placement for doctors, having your own clinic beforehand - or marrying a doctor who does - is a very good idea.

Notice I didn't say anything about love - many people nowadays marry for convenience

This post has been edited by AnimeSinceForever: Jan 27 2020, 08:11 PM

It's gonna be political suicide to increase the registration rate, as BOTH PH and BN get the majority of their votes from the B40.

I think very few people earn over RM4,000 monthly (the salary at which you start paying income tax) anyway.

This post has been edited by AnimeSinceForever: Jan 27 2020, 08:13 PM

Overheard my friends conversation saying that one of her friend earns Rm120k, kpj specialist. My friend is also a doctor but not earning that much

Doc is easily making 200k per month before tax.

Question is the denomination:D

Don't think RM200K / month gives one HKD20 million per year income.... sounds more like SGD or USD, LOL!

I put $ infront of hksgmy salary. Dollar man... if ringgit like my bro inlaw I’ll put RM. 🤣

ent is considered surgical as well. Urosurgery too.
Yes procedural charges.


Yes derm can make lots of money too. Heard from my batch mate he is doing well and the working hour is quite balanced
Radiologist, ya IR especially. Same as cardio, interventional can make quite a good fortune.
At the end of the day it varies in private I think.
Anyway the pay shouldn't be our top priority isnt it lol

This post has been edited by kkk8787: Jan 27 2020, 08:47 PM

Haha, my error. I stand corrected

First of all it is very hard to enter private if you do not have the backing and credentials of your peers.

Secondly a fresh specialist who enters private will find it hard to survive bec aunty uncle go based on recommendations of friends, secondly if unsure, see the qualifications of the Dr (the longer the better with UK Ireland Glasgow Edinburgh) since the public wouldn't know his actual skills and management esp those tourists from Indonesia.

Third of TS family members wanna study medicine just don't. It is not worth it at current point of time and a waste of money.

Fourth internal medicine is the fastest route to becoming a specialist but so many tom dick and Harry owns the paper Mrcp and not many of them can do what the old time internists can do namely tubes insertion, echo, bone biopsy for hemato oncology.

Fifth it will take a long time to become a really great surgeon. For a surgeons value is his skills not his long list of qualifications (some surgeons are labelled oral surgeons bec tokok sing song but can't cut or poor results)

There are many fields out there can yield a faster return incl food industry. And medicine is not longer a guarantee.

U need to be in gov sector or in service while u pursue your postgrad, including the UK parallel papers.

This is true... Gov did mention that only around 2.5 million persons pay income tax, while the entire workforce is at around 15 million persons. That's like 85% of working population earns lesser than RM 4K

Most tokking surgeons will not have the guts to jump to private. Usually end up doing some admin jobs
Yes not worth to study medicine. Not worth the effort

This post has been edited by kkk8787: Jan 27 2020, 08:49 PM

Refer to my first post here.
As mentioned it's not easy for one to go to private if you don't have the backings of peer.

There are also the bests of specialists who chose to stay but are also doing locum and visiting consultant in private hosp.

This post has been edited by Jedi: Jan 29 2020, 01:24 PM

this is not true totally true in private work , both here and many places around the world.

The problem is litigation and lack of financial weighting for complex procedures

For example (the numbers are not actual values, by the represented value is roughly correct)


appendix operation - takes 30mins. low risk. patient no compllications no complaints home in 2 days - total fee is rm3000

Vs

complex colon cancer resection. High risk, takes hours.. 4 hours is common. Patient needs to go ICU after , any complications the hospital will keep calling you all hours of the day. Fee is rm4000+

which one seems like a better deal ?



Sure.. doing complicated cases is rewarding from a personal point of view. We all like a challenge from time to time.... but when the novelty of heroics wear off it gets tedious and tiring to deal with complex cases. The money vs stress ratio is much better with simple cases.. and there is much more simple cases than complex cases to do as well.

Everyone wanna earn bigbucks but not many willing to put in the hours

Specialist easily min 20k/mth

Those famous ones 100k-200k/mth

Tak habis-habis talk about race... Some group of people are so racially-inclined and then they complain about equality

KLCC tealive serves 1000-2000 drinks/day. Each drink rm5-8.

Yes , this is true.. In private they are choosy about who take on as they only want Dr who have a skillset they need and can work well with peers. A bad doc on the team can create a lot of havoc. How you worked in GH will be remembered. The word spreads and will affect your attractiveness in the private sector.

But this is true for all industries and busineses... The best will survive and do well. That is the truth in life.

If one has attitude problems or lack the qualifications, then he/she should not go private... they'll have a bad time..

Masters of surgery.
The old FRCS was derecognised late 1990s early 2000s. Because majority of ppl who took the exam were Indians and Chinese.
U know, plotek plotek needed and things like that to give the other a chance.

Nowadays u become a medical officer
Start as a junior surgical trainee, proceed to intermediate or senior surgical trainee (chronic MO)

Enter the programme based on some selective criteria.

Now u start life as Registrar. Upon completion of programme you are now a gazetting specialist (surgeon)
5 years of life as surgeon automatically labelled consultant.

The journey takes about 10 years on average from your starting work life. Another 2 or 3 to consolidate cutting skills.

I disagree with msian route. I believe a competent surgical trainee needs to pass the MRCS (old FRCS) during junior trainee years, enter the masters programme, complete it. A better accomplishment is also to finish the new FRCS (I. E urol, tr and orth, plastics, Ent, OMFS, Gen surg to name a few)

Because for example a masters trained surgeon will only focus on his subject. If orthopaedics he will only know about bone bone and bone but an all round surgeon should have the base covered like in the UK by passing the MRCS that assesses a surgical trainee core topics. Because a surgeon that deals with limbs may also deal with say, burn injury, skin grafting and flap coverage of the plastic surgery.

Hence if you see your surgeon has the new qualification of the sub specialty FRCS and if from UK CCST rest assured you are in good hands.

This post has been edited by Jedi: Jan 29 2020, 01:27 PM

Well this is a truth and a fact. Whichever industry it is.

The minority is always at a losing edge at the start. We as the rakyat do not stir it up and we live in peace, but u cannot deny the fact that our education system and career progression is also based on not meritocracy

Lol..

Yeah it is actually procedural Vs non procedural
Example gastroenterologist n cardiologist who do scopes , PCI

Race issues aside, I think you are slightly mistaken on the Royal College exams.

MRCS was not de-recognised in Malaysia the way you describe it, and certainly NOT because of racial issues.

The MRCS is a written exam only. Taken during your MO years. Purely theory and therefore not proof of qualitication as a surgeon. In the UK system its considered an entrance exam. This means if you didn't pass it, its very unlikely you will not be able to proceed into surgical training of any speciality.

After your MRCS, and once you completed your 5-6 year surgical training, you sit for an exit viva exam. If you pass you will get the CCST and be awarded the FRCS. There is actually no such things as CCST post nominal. The post nominal is just FRCS (speciality). Some non-UK doctors may also carry the FRCS post nominal if they have been awarded the fellowship from the Royal College for outstanding achievement in their speciality.

The problem in Malaysia was that doctors were at the time were using the MRCS it as a recognition of specialist surgical training (in the same way the MRCP is used for internal medicine). This is totally flawed as surgical training is basically a structured apprenticeship program and not something you can just study and pass.

For internal medicine , its more knowledge based.. so for a long time, passing the MRCP(UK) meant you had achieved a certain level of clinical knowledge in general internal medicine. In the UK having the MRCP meant you could then pursue subspecialization , gastro, cardio, oncology, etc.

In Malaysia, due to lack of internal medicine subspecialist in the past, we maintained the general internal medicine physician to cover everything. and the MRCP with 4 years experience as an MO in general medicine was enough to gazette you as a specialist in general medicine.

In the UK there is no longer just a general physician. Everyone must continue into a subspecialty whereby there is another exit exam.. the MRCP SCE for each sub speciality.

Some non-UK subspecialists have also taken the MRCP SCE exam just to see if their knowledge is on par with the UK trained subspecialist.

The FRCP title is automatically awarded to UK consultants working in substantive posts within NHS hospitals after a period of time, the FRCP title can also be awarded to non-uk doctors if they show substantial contribution to their field of expertise.

Hope this clears up some ambiguity.

Actually, Malaysian trained specialist doctors actually have a broader depth of experience with general cases than UK trained ones.

The US is the worse for pure focus training... they only work in their field of expertise don't do general medicine/surgery like the rest of the world.

eh....i think you confused the mrcs with the old frcs in general.....the later is still recognised as a specialist qualification....

and the mrcs is in 2 parts, a theory part 1 and a osce part 2.....

and no, the general physician is still very much in existence in uk....although most will have a subspeciality interest....that has nothing to do with the mrcp....the certification of a specialist in uk is the cst....and entry into the specialist registry of the gmc....

I just came came from the UK not long ago...
With my mrcp and SCE

You do general medicine as part of of the training to sub.
But everyone is in a subspecialty training program and will eventually be sub trained but provide gen med on call as well

Malaysia has pure gen med

Be that as it may, let's not take this topic tangent and racially-charge it - although I may have started it by pointing it out.

I appreciate your thorough sharing above though, keep them coming

Junior specialist rm1k perday only

that's why there is no such thing as a poor doctor

doctors are all rich as fuck

and all you peasants kowtow to doctors really damn funny la

you paid thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, then pray to them and shits like that... topkek lel

unless they do it for free or for a damn damn damn damn damn fucking low price, then i will kowtow and respect them. other than that, they are just a bloodsucking vampire like any other businessman

the younger doctors are not having it easy, as per any professions. It is much more difficult in the beginning. They have long hours and their pay reflects that, if any.

Still, we give shits to businessman when they charge exorbitant prices, but we don't give shits to doctors that charge exorbitant prices.

Usually people will ask to boycott a certain business, but not to doctors.

What I don't get is the fascination for doctors. What makes them so great? I mean yes, they help to cure patients, they help to patch you up. But in the end, they still make money, unlike voluntary doctors, now those I really do respect them. They give their all without expecting anything in return.

How does one get FRCS without completing a training position?
Like for example I know ppl who worked in UK /Singapore as registrar and subsequently had FRCS post nominals


Steve Jobs sell iPhone how much
That's more than one life saving appendix operation
Yet u all still line up day n night to get it
And last I checked Steve Jobs was revered more than any doctor in the world. Not even Jonas Salk who didn't patent the polio vaccine is regarded to be his equal. Basically Steve Jobs = god to the masses...

After all, Steve Jobs created something the world needs right. What a visionary. When was the last time the polio vaccine ever made anyone's life easier?


Ever heard of Cristiano Ronaldo, Lionel Messi, Kobe Bryant?
They play sports to their own enjoyment and get paid .handsomely is an understatement -a Medical specialist salary is a joke compared to them, even top tier surgeon won't be paid as much as a second tier player.
Yet they're Hailed as God and when they pass away you'll see tonnes of tribute to them but since when was the last time u saw a patient posting a tribute to his doctor?
Ppl queue up to meet Ronaldo be damn happy just to get his signature
Ppl queue up to see doctors and scold them for seeing patients too slowly.

Last I checked , doctors are being sued everywhere in the world .
I've never seen Ronaldo being sued by bookies for not scoring a goal... A job he is paid few millions to do. I don't know but I wouldn't call putting someone in the accused dock in court respected

So.... Which parallel world you live in where doctors are so respected. Is like to be there.

This post has been edited by arsenwagon: Jan 28 2020, 08:47 AM

who says ppl dont give shits to docs who charge exorbitant prices?
all doctors have to follow the fee schedule which stated the maximum/ceiling amount they can charge
the fee schedule is in the public domain
if u think they overcharge, can always complain to MMC
if they followed the schedule and u still think they overcharge, it means ur the one not earning enough money to afford a private doc services

agreed.

pilot is the best job in the world (other than celebrity/sports athlete)

u get high salary, can travel around the world, and only work for like 3 or 4 days per week

To add, the can have long career into their 50s too, and they only get paid more as they become more experienced. Their job is also international which means they won't ever find themselves out of jobs

In fact there are shortages for experienced commercial pilot now

Unfortunately our /k pilot already rip due to accident.

I wonder if /k got another pilot here.

There are plenty of pilots that found me and sought my services from Lowyat. They would either PM me so I would know their nickname, or they would just drop me a text on Whatsapp and we would discuss there - when asked they would say they found me here. I never pursued for their nicknames here

But just saying that pilots spend time in the forums too, whether or not they would reveal themselves is a whole different story

So /k 20k is true then.